[01:34] <Daekdroom> Hey guys, can someone take a look over #ubuntu-br, because there is a troll called emad?
[02:24] <mneptok> Daekdroom: you want #ubutu-irc for loco channel issues. this is core channels only.
[02:25] <Daekdroom> mneptok, ok
[02:25] <Daekdroom> mneptok, I'll have that in mind the next time :)
[04:41] <Tm_T> good morning
[05:03] <rww> Last Measure link and an exploit. Sure it's a good morning? ;P
[08:02] <jussi> you know, I just love the Spam we get to our lists sometimes... Subject: Windows 7 Professional 64 bit - $99.95 *G*
[08:02] <rww> that's a pretty good discount, forward to me plz
[08:06] <jussi> lol
[08:06] <rww> 7 Professional is $300 :(
[08:07] <jussi> rww: dont buy it then! use ubu.... oh wait :P
[08:09] <Myrtti> hi r00t4rd3d
[09:04] <elky> Please tell me this isn't still going on...
[09:21] <r00t4rd3d> hi
[09:24] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: hi, was good weekend?
[09:24] <r00t4rd3d> im a holiday hater :D
[09:24] <Tm_T> then there's two of us (;
[09:25] <rww> three!
[09:25] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: willing to discuss your ban now?
[09:26] <r00t4rd3d> i doubt it will be much of a "discuss"
[09:26] <Tm_T> nonetheless
[09:28] <r00t4rd3d> im all eyes
[09:29] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: you understand that you should be respectful towards the others in our channels?
[09:29] <r00t4rd3d> Im beyond respectful
[09:30] <Tm_T> please answer yes/no so this stays clear
[09:30] <r00t4rd3d> read everything ive ever typedin the channel
[09:30] <r00t4rd3d> yes
[09:31] <Tm_T> and when there's any disagreement with anyone, especially with ops, you come here and discuss it calmly?
[09:31] <r00t4rd3d> yes
[09:31] <Tm_T> good stuff
[09:32] <r00t4rd3d> yes
[09:32] <r00t4rd3d> :D
[09:33] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: your ban is lifted, have fun
[09:34] <r00t4rd3d> ok , ty
[09:34] <r00t4rd3d> err
[09:34] <r00t4rd3d> yes
[09:34] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: and if there's any issues, just remember we are here, no need to escalate things (:
[09:42] <elky> did he continue to harrass Jordan_U?
[09:43] <Tm_T> not that I know
[09:43] <elky> then what was he banned for?
[09:43] <Tm_T> elky: eventually his hostile attitude towards ops I suppose
[09:45] <elky> and you just unlifted his ban after "reading everything he ever typed in the channel"? hence making him think that you agree that "everything" said by him was respectful?
[09:45] <elky> er, s/unlifted his ban/ lifted his ban/
[09:46] <rww> Works for me. We got into this mess because of a more direct approach to a borderline nick than usual; if he's not an issue any more, mission accomplished. If he is, reban him...
[09:46] <rww> well, some missions accomplished, I guess.
[09:47] <elky> rww, we got in to this mess because he couldn't cope with being asked to do something for the sake of others.
[09:47] <elky> rww, i cannot trust that the next time someone asks him to do something he won't engage the same behaviour
[09:48] <elky> and hence having let him back in without evidence that he /won't/ we've essentially licenced him to do that.
[09:48] <rww> elky: Given that the longstanding attitude towards borderline nicks has been "wait for someone that's not an op to complain about them", I question him being asked to change it in the first place.
[09:48] <rww> If he's problematic towards operator actions in the future, reban him. I did say this :\
[09:48] <Tm_T> elky: he stayed out nicely when I asked him to stay, the original ban wasn't clear case, not even close
[09:48] <Tm_T> so I don't see any reason to keep the ban up if he behaves
[09:49] <elky> Tm_T, he was harrassing to intimidate an op. you just essentially agreed to his assertion that this behaviour was respectful. i don't care how "clear" the ban was, that's a really dangerous message
[09:50] <Tm_T> elky: I never agreed his behaviour being anything, simply that he knows our rules
[09:51] <elky> Tm_T, your unbanning him was agreement to the terms he was stating. you didn't challenge his assertion.
[09:52] <Tm_T> he knows I disagree
[09:52] <Tm_T> it's clear from our previous discussion
[09:52] <Tm_T> I just don't see a point to repeat the previous discussion all over again
[09:53] <Tm_T> and one step wrong way from him will lead to an action
[09:53] <elky> he still asserted, and you didn't challenge. that's capitulation.
[09:54] <Tm_T> my mistake
[09:54] <Tm_T> feel free to chip in when I do such things
[10:02] <jussi> I dont really see an issue with Tm_T's actions - he got the guy to agree that if theres an issue, he will come here and discuss it calmly.
[10:03] <jussi> if the guy acts out again, we talk to him. if he doesnt understand and is rude, we reban
[10:04] <jussi> anyway, Im  out for a bit, lunch time
[10:04] <Tm_T> jussi: have a good lunch
[10:05] <elky> the guy went on a mission of harrassment against an op because he was informed that his nick was awful and advised a new one would be appreciated. That's incredibly disproportionate
[10:05] <elky> what's going to happen when other boundaries are set?
[10:10] <Tm_T> hopefully he has learned to not repeat such actions
[10:10] <elky> i'm doubtful.
[13:59] <knome> erm, host of trench @ #ubuntu
[14:00] <knome> 15:59 » trench [trench@slutty.bitches.no] has joined #ubuntu
[14:43] <popey> s/England/UK/
[14:44] <Pici> Hrm.  Some of those are a bit unneccesary imho. I'd consider adding !spotify and !steam though, with a caveat that WINE support is in #winehq
[14:44] <IdleOne> the video on demand ones are not needed imo
[14:46] <Pici> !steam is <reply> Steam can be run under Ubuntu by installing WINE and running the installer from http://www.steampowered.com/ as normal. Application support in WINE can be found in #winehq
[14:47] <Pici> !steam
[14:47] <Pici> Well thats not helpful.
[14:47] <Pici> !no steam is <reply> Steam can be run under Ubuntu by installing WINE and running the installer from http://www.steampowered.com/ as normal. Application support in WINE can be found in #winehq
[14:57] <gord> hehe yeah that was not a good factoid ;)
[14:59] <IdleOne> not saying it isn't good, just saying I don't see why we should tell people to use a paid service when not needed
[15:01] <Pici> I'm not sure I like the !spotify one either.
[15:02] <IdleOne> there are two good reasons not to use spotify. 1- it isn't free and 2- it isn't FREE
[15:03] <IdleOne> AnggaDj98 is OT a lot and at best sometimes almost right about the advice he gives
[15:03] <popey> uhm
[15:04] <Pici> I thought spotify was free.
[15:04] <IdleOne> maybe it is
[15:05] <IdleOne> Note that you have to have a paid account to use the Linux version at this time.
[15:05] <popey> they have a free version
[15:05] <IdleOne> according to the factoid request
[15:05] <popey> that is correct
[15:05] <IdleOne> so the app is free but to be able to use it you have to pay?
[15:06] <popey> no
[15:06] <popey> I dont see how the fact that it's not free or Free make any difference to the factoids existence
[15:06] <popey> flash is non-Free, yet we have !flash
[15:06] <popey> probably more examples if one looked
[15:06] <Pici> I only didn't like it because of its length, not content.
[15:06] <popey> as the factoid says, you can run spotify under WINE
[15:06] <popey> (for free)
[15:06] <popey> it's only the native Linux client which requires a paid account
[15:07] <IdleOne> ah, I misunderstood
[15:07] <IdleOne> sorries
[15:08] <IdleOne> ok, it isn't available in my country :/
[15:09] <IdleOne> is spotify a rebranding of songbird?
[15:09] <Pici> No
[15:10] <Pici> Its a streaming music service like Pandora iirc.
[15:10] <IdleOne> k
[15:10] <knome> yeah.
[15:10] <knome> on-demand music service
[15:11] <IdleOne> so it isn't "for streaming" but to "listening to" streams
[15:11]  * IdleOne takes back everything he said.
[15:11] <IdleOne> that will teach me to speak on what i know not
[15:14] <knome> yeah, for listening. afaik, it DOES do some p2p-style sharing for the stuff you listen to, to keep the services up and running smoothly. but for the end-user, it's for listening only
[15:20] <popey> +1
[15:24] <IdleOne> Good morning BajK
[15:25] <BajK> oh not this channel again
[15:26] <Pici> o.O
[15:27] <IdleOne> I removed the forward I had set and placed a simple ban. The forward was for curse and run but they don't seem to want to stay here long enough to discuss it.
[15:58] <maco> is r3dux always so argumentative?
[16:10] <maco> r3dux hasnt been on topic for an hour :-/
[16:11] <maco> just saying random things about vector math
[20:38] <Tm_T> good night all
[22:52] <IdleOne> idoru took care of it
[23:42] <elky> Tm_T, your rootarded fellow is now PMing me.
[23:56] <CarlFK> r00t's main problem is interacting with ops.
[23:56] <CarlFK> er, main problem we care about
[23:57] <elky> well yes, he seems to think he can intimidate them in to letting him have his way
[23:57] <CarlFK> is that (and only that) worth the ban?
[23:58] <CarlFK> I am very undecided
[23:58] <elky> intimidation is harassment.
[23:58] <elky> intimidation is bullying.
[23:59] <CarlFK> but i don't see that behavior towards other users, just ops that try to talk to him
[23:59] <elky> His ban was lifted under the directive he not continue his previous pattern of interaction. He has, this morning, reverted to that pattern.
[23:59] <CarlFK> ah
[23:59] <CarlFK> swell.