[01:24] <Jora> hi
[01:31] <daftykins> hey Jora
[01:31] <Jora> hi
[01:33] <daftykins> snow affected you much? sorry i don't remember where you are or even where that is in relation to the US :)
[01:33] <daftykins> i'd say south west but that's a total guess
[07:40] <hotbabezz> hi
[07:53] <MartijnVdS> morning
[07:55]  * ball yawns
[07:56] <MartijnVdS> \o ball
[08:04] <AlanBell> o/
[08:06] <ball> It's 02:05 and I'm off to bed.
[08:06] <ball> Goodnight all.
[08:24] <kaushal> hi
[08:24] <kaushal> what does intuitive mean in Super-fast and great-looking, Ubuntu is a secure, intuitive operating system that powers desktops, servers, netbooks and laptops. Ubuntu is, and always will be, absolutely free.
[08:24] <AlanBell> means it does what you would expect it to do
[08:24] <kaushal> AlanBell: ok
[08:25] <kaushal> AlanBell: Thanks
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: so if you set your expectations low... ;)
[08:28] <ball> So much for that theory.
[08:29] <MartijnVdS> ball: I love shooting holes in theories.. I should have become a scientist
[08:34] <ball> I should have become something or other.
[08:34] <MartijnVdS> ball: what are you?
[08:35] <ball> MartijnVdS: I work with computers.
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> ball: that's what I tell family too :)
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> but EVERYONE works with computers these days
[08:38] <ball> I suppose many people do these days.
[09:04] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:04] <MartijnVdS> hi screen-x
[09:04] <screen-x> Hi MartijnVdS :)
[09:05]  * MartijnVdS hopes flash+chromium will be fixed soon in natty
[09:05] <screen-x> sounds problematic..
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> I hate having to reload 10 times before a youtube video loads
[09:05] <screen-x> :(
[09:05] <screen-x> I've not tried natty yet
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> Good thing browsers sandbox plugins now.. a few years ago the browser would have crashed :)
[09:06] <screen-x> :)
[09:07]  * MartijnVdS remembers the good old days of NS4
[09:08] <screen-x> mmmm frames, and marques...
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> and <blink>
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> (but the doctor told me not to!)
[09:23] <daubers> \Morning
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> daubersman
[09:23] <screen-x> morning daubers :)
[09:23] <Apacheuk> morning all
[09:23] <daubers> Oooh kettles boiled
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> tea \o/ good idea
[09:24] <daubers> Things to do today: Make Biscuits, Paint Miniatures, Code some graphing stuff
[09:26] <Apacheuk> I got a weird issue with a mates laptop, its got 10.04 on it, when he goes to shut it down it just drops back to the login screen, and the shutdown option on the login screen don't do anything
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: have you checked the logs when this happens?
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: especially /var/log/syslog and auth.log
[09:30] <Apacheuk> not yet, but checking now
[09:32] <Apacheuk> thats weird, the log has a date Thursday 29th December, but its definitely Wednesday right ?
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> it is
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> is the year wrong?
[09:35] <Apacheuk> say the right date when I use date on the command prompt
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> try installing ntp
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> that should fix any time issues
[09:36] <Apacheuk> found this message in the syslog, WARNING: Unable to stop system: Not Authorized
[09:37] <hotbabez> hi
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: is he in the right groups? (is he still using the "initial" username created at install time?)
[09:38] <Apacheuk> yeah.... it's the user I setup for him when I installed it for him
[09:38] <Apacheuk> no other changes "that I'm aware" of
[09:39] <Apacheuk> his groups are : adm, dialout, cdrom, plugdev, lpadmin, admin and sambashare
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> uid=1000(martijn) gid=1000(martijn) groepen=1000(martijn),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),111(lpadmin),119(admin),122(sambashare)
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> that's me
[09:44] <Apacheuk> I don't think he is missing any groups, seems pretty standard
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> maybe something got messed up, does it still happen after a reboot?
[09:44] <Apacheuk> yeah, every time
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> did he do anything that might have broken it?
[09:45] <Apacheuk> he says, No.... it started happening after the last round of updates he applied
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> which repositories are enabled?
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> -backports? -proposed?
[09:46] <Apacheuk> all the standard ones and then medibuntu has been added
[09:47] <Apacheuk> he's not very computer literate so I don't think he would mess around with those settings
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: please check the 'software sources' preferences thingy to see if -backports or -proposed are enabled
[09:48] <Apacheuk> nope both unchecked
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> hmm stränge
[09:48] <Apacheuk> yeah, has had me stumped for most of yesterday
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: can you post the entire line from the log?
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> the one about "Unable to stop system"
[09:50] <screen-x> daubers: it turns out that there are actually quite a lot of trees.. (and that my hugin skills need some work..) http://i.imgur.com/tti8G.jpg
[09:51] <Apacheuk> Dec 29 09:33:14 daz-laptop gnome-session [1920] : WARNING : Unable to stop system: Not Authorized
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: console-kit is still running?
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon
[09:52] <Apacheuk> how do I check that?
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> ps ax | grep console-kit-daemon
[09:53] <Apacheuk> looks like it, returns info on it
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: can you check /var/log/ConsoleKit/history?
[09:56] <Apacheuk> yeah, is there and has a load of info in there, no idea what I'm looking at :)
[09:57] <screen-x> anyone used gandi.net for dns registation? Do they host dns records? or just register your domain, and allow you to point it at your own dns server?
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: I use them, you can use their DNS server or host your own
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: and you can edit the zone online in an "easy" or "advanced" mode
[09:58] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: ooh can you write a zone file without having to faf with a web interface?
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: look for SYSTEM_RESTART
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: well, you have to paste it in their web interface and then "submit", but yes
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> you get a textarea :)
[09:59] <screen-x> :D
[10:00]  * screen-x transfers expiring domain
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> they don't do v6 glue yet though :(
[10:00] <screen-x> I saw a notice about that
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> oh.. it's possible
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> but not with the same name as v4 records
[10:02] <Apacheuk> MartijnVdS: Nothing for today, just a lot of SEAT_SESSION_REMOVED
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: no SEAT_SESSION_ADDED?
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> or SEAT_ADDED
[10:03] <Apacheuk> MartijnVdS: Sorry yeah SEAT_SESSION_ADDED for each SEAT_SESSION_REMOVED
[10:05] <Apacheuk> seems alomost like his user has changed some how
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: what does ck-list-sessions say?
[10:07] <screen-x> I didn't know ck-list-sessions, seems quite similar to w
[10:08] <Apacheuk> MartijnVdS: do you wanna see it all, or are you interested in a particular bit?
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: if you can pastebin it, that would be grat
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> +e
[10:10] <Apacheuk> ok, done that
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> url?
[10:10] <Apacheuk> :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/548480
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> just one.. hmm
[10:11] <Apacheuk> MartijnVdS: thats all that came out of the command
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> ah wait
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> it's like that here as well :)
[10:13] <Apacheuk> MartijnVdS: only difference I can see between that login and mine on this PC is that mine says active=TRUE
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> so does mine
[10:14] <Apacheuk> no man page for ck-list-sessions
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: try switching to guest mode and back
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> if that doesn't mark the session active..
[10:17] <Apacheuk> MartijnVdS: nope still FALSE
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: *think*
[10:18] <livingdaylight> gut morning
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: try logging out, then selecting "Gnome session" from the GDM menu, then logging in
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> it's that or maybe PAM not setting active=true
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> check for dpkg-old or .dpkg-new files in /etc/pam.d/
[10:20] <Apacheuk> MartijnVdS: Only get the option to Restart or Shutdown
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: if you select your login you shuold see the 'session type' menu
[10:20] <Apacheuk> :) sorry... trying now
[10:21] <Apacheuk> MartijnVdS: Was already set to Gnome, same result as before
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: if /etc/pam.d looks OK, I don't know anything else t ocheck
[10:36] <Apacheuk> MartijnVdS: what should I be checking in there?
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: if files exist with names that end in ".dpkg-old" or something like that
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> or .dpkg-new, etc.
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> you could also compare contents to another machine
[10:38] <Apacheuk> MartijnVdS: thanks for all your help, have been checking another machine (clean install) and so far no luck.... back to google I guess :)
[10:40] <daubers> screen-x: Lies! I know you've facked that in photoshop :p
[10:40] <daubers> s/facked/faked
[10:40] <daubers> also, how was foreign parts?
[10:44] <screen-x> daubers: foreign parts fun :)
[10:44] <daubers> Good good :)
[10:45] <screen-x> daubers: how's biscuit making going?
[10:47] <daubers> Not started yet.... just doing some electricity sums to see if my approximate calculation of leccy usages tallies with the meter
[10:49] <Apacheuk> MartijnVdS: Think I might have solved it :)
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: what is/was the problem?
[10:50] <Apacheuk> MartijnVdS: did some more googl'ing there was a suggestion to change grub, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT to have "quite acpi=force"
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: weird
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> "quiet"
[10:51] <screen-x> daubers: nice -19 biscuit making
[10:51] <daubers> This suggests that yesterday we spent £6.77 on electric......
[10:51] <daubers> Not sure that tallies with the meter
[10:51] <Apacheuk> MartijnVdS: spoke too soon :( has stopped working again.... oh well, google here I come.... again
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: it's something about consolekit and the session not becomign active
[10:53] <daubers> Woot! That tallies with the meter to a within a few pence
[10:54] <Phineas> i have returned
[10:55] <Phineas> will a pear of earphones be fine if they have been through the washing matchine?
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> if you let them dry properly, they'll usually work
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> but I'd start saving money for a new pair :)
[10:57] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  i have enough money, but i'm saving up for a ps3 so i hope they still work
[10:59] <danfish> lo lo
[10:59] <screen-x> yo-yo danfish
[10:59] <danfish> daubers: how are you monitoring the leccie usage?
[10:59] <danfish> screen-x: o/ where'd you go abroad to?
[11:00] <daubers> danfish: Current Cost meter :)
[11:00] <daubers> danfish: And some homebrewed python
[11:00] <screen-x> danfish: Sweden. daubers has a catchphrase "there are no trees in Sweden" which had to be disproved.
[11:01] <daubers> screen-x: You changed the outcome by measuring it
[11:01] <screen-x> haha
[11:01] <screen-x> by observing Sweden I caused the trees to exist?
[11:01] <daubers> Yep! Its a quantum miracle!
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> there were only trees while you were looking
[11:06] <danfish> daubers: impressed the readings are so close. I'm doing something similar with the CC but my python code keeps crashing :(
[11:11] <daubers> danfish: I spent some time trying to catch all the exceptions
[11:12]  * daubers finds code
[11:15] <daubers> danfish: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/548492/
[11:15]  * Phineas find the code before daubers does
[11:17] <daubers> danfish: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/548493/ <- Database structure :)
[11:19] <danfish> daubers: thanks a lot!
[11:22] <daubers> \o/
[11:22] <daubers> danfish: I have some half finished graphing bits as well, but need to finish them before passing them on :)
[11:23] <daubers> Right! Kitchen cleaned, can no make some cookies!
[11:23] <danfish> I see where I was going wrong - using 're' to search for certain strings, but when the ?hourly 'dump' of historical data that the CC spits out causes breakage
[11:25] <popey> morning
[11:25] <screen-x> morning popey
[11:26] <Phineas> morning popey
[11:48] <Apacheuk> MartijnVdS: Looks like that laptop is suffering with bug 543506, followed the advice in post 81 and so far 20+ successful reboots... yay for google
[12:08] <daubers> Cookies in the oven
[12:09] <screen-x> :)
[12:09] <daubers> Not too sure about the cookie cutters though.... they where a christmas present so thought I should have a go
[12:10] <popey> what ho daubers
[12:10] <daubers> o/
[12:11] <daubers> How be thee Mr Pope?
[12:11] <popey> nae bad
[12:12] <daubers> Good good
[12:20] <daubers> First batch out of the oven \o/
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> batch of what? :)
[12:22] <daubers> Cookies \o/
[13:00] <Phineas> daubers,  cookies mmm not from down the road i hope
[13:07] <daubers> Phineas: You wha?
[13:08] <Phineas> daubers,  down the road ther is a house just like the one in the game at;  http://www.garfield.com/fungames/scavengerhunt2/scavengerhunt2.html  spooky as hell
[13:08] <daubers> I see.... I made these myself
[13:09] <Phineas> daubers,  good job
[13:17]  * daubers makes a mug of coffee and watches Thunderbirds
[13:34] <Phineas> do amaon gift voutchers have to use up all there balance in one order
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> no
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> it stays as a balance in your account
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> you can chech it in your "My account" bit
[13:34] <Phineas> MartijnVdS, good thanks
[13:35] <Phineas> god
[13:36] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  i am going to buy this:  http://www.amazon.co.uk/Garfield-Pet-Force-3D-DVD/dp/B002IFLXI8/ref=pd_sim_sbs_d_h__1
[13:36] <screen-x> Talking of amazon, I was helping my mother in law with a kindle she was given for Christmas. It turns out you can't unsubscribe from stuff on a kindle, you have to go through the amazon website - cheeky.
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: it's all linked through their web site
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: possibly because the screen's refresh rate (= interactive experience) sucks
[13:40] <bigcalm> Afternoon all
[13:40] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: the amazon website side is pretty good, I just think it's a bit rude that you can subscribe to things via the kindle but can't unsubscribe..
[13:40] <screen-x> hi bigcalm
[13:40] <Pendulum> hiya bigcalm
[13:40] <bigcalm> I'm still waiting for my Kindle to arrive. Annoyed the Amazon has sent it via untracked 1st class mail
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: it makes more money that way :)
[13:40] <bigcalm> Hi screen-x & Pendulum :)
[13:40] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: :p
[13:40]  * MartijnVdS wonders what the upstairs neighbor is up to
[13:41] <screen-x> o_O
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> it feels like he's going to appear through a fresh hole in the ceiling soon
[13:41] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: quick! get the coffee ready!
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ @ Nafallo
[13:41] <Nafallo> meh. chars I cant see :-/
[13:41] <screen-x> which character are those eyes?
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/%E0%B2%A0%E0%B2%A0-look-of-disapproval
[13:42] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: hmm. no coffee? vodka?
[13:42] <Nafallo> has to be one or the other damnit :-P
[13:51]  * popey hugs bigcalm 
[13:51] <bigcalm> Hey popey :)
[13:52] <bigcalm> popey: thank you. My graze box isn't here either
[13:52]  * AlanBell fails at installing Natty :(
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: what's failing?
[13:53] <AlanBell> 64bit installer in a VM
[13:54] <popey> bigcalm: mine arrived early
[13:54] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[13:54] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: bug 694772 apparently
[13:59]  * screen-x pokes his proxy
[14:00] <awilkins> Anyone know of a way of doing conditional background colour changes in gnome-terminal? ie - if the title says "@server1" I want the colour to change so I have an easy indicator of which machine the terminal is logged into
[14:02] <screen-x> awilkins: that would be useful, I took down a network interface on the wrong box the other day...
[14:02] <Darael> awilkins: Not really, but the gnome-panel SSH applet can do different terminal profiles (incl. background) based on which machine you open.
[14:03] <Darael> awilkins: That does rather force you to use that applet, though.
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: I use a different PS1 everywhere
[14:03] <screen-x> awilkins: you may have to resort to PS1 manipulation
[14:03] <screen-x> too slow
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: root prompts are red, and "normal" shells on every machine have their own colour
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> green for my desktop, blue for my laptop
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> yellow at work
[14:06] <Phineas> i just spent my gift voutcher on 2 things
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> http://paste.ubuntu.com/548532/
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: ^^
[14:06] <awilkins> Thanks :-)
[14:08]  * MartijnVdS has loads of stuff like that in bashrc :)
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> http://paste.ubuntu.com/548534/
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> ^ like that
[14:12]  * Phineas has a secret that know one should know
[14:12] <Darael> I just set my pager to most instead of less, to get less boring manpage highlights.
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> Darael: I like less a lot
[14:13] <Darael> MartijnVdS: So do I, but I like most more.  Less is better than more, and for me, most is better than less.
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> Darael: I like most less (I like less more) (let's use all pagers in one sentence!)
[14:14] <Darael> That was the idea, yes.
[14:19] <brobostigon> hmmm, how do i add a key shortcut for the pipe charector? as i can find it on my eeepc's keyboard.please.
[14:20] <screen-x> brobostigon: on my eeepc it involved three keys
[14:20] <Darael> brobostigon: Right-alt and the backtick usually works (having to do the same thing on my laptop at the moment)
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: altgr+[whatever is next to 1]
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: (not 2, the other side)
[14:21] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: there isnt anything next to 1,the 1 key is mmost left onthat row,
[14:22] <Darael> Much /more/ annoyingly, I don't have a backslash key.  Luckily I remap my capslock to compose as a matter of course, so I can compose-/-/ to get one, but still.
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you can check out the layout in the keyboard preferences
[14:22] <popey> brobostigon: its next to z
[14:22] <popey> you need Fn and it
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> popey++
[14:22] <popey> its blue
[14:22] <popey> unless you have an eee pc I have never seen before
[14:22] <Darael> popey++ indeed.
[14:23] <screen-x> brobostigon: shift+fn+z
[14:23] <screen-x> had to boot my eeepc..
[14:23] <popey> :)
[14:23] <lazarus_> sup
[14:24] <screen-x> lazarus_: you're back!
[14:24] <Darael> In fact, anyone know of a key combination for \ that doesn't require compose?
[14:25] <brobostigon> screen-x: > that is what i get with shift + fn + z
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> Darael: Fn+z? :)
[14:25] <Darael> MartijnVdS: Not on an Eee :P
[14:25] <screen-x> brobostigon: is the pipe symbol on the z key in blue?
[14:26] <Darael> That is to say, I'm not on an Eee, not "it doesn't work on an Eee".
[14:26] <brobostigon> screen-x: looks like white.
[14:26] <popey> brobostigon: which model of eee is it?
[14:26] <brobostigon> popey: a 900 ssd.
[14:26]  * screen-x is looking at a 901
[14:27] <popey> i have a 900 here
[14:27] <popey> it is on the z key
[14:27] <popey> brobostigon: your keyboard layout is set incorrectly
[14:27] <brobostigon> it is on the z keyhere aswell.
[14:27] <popey> what OS is on it?
[14:28] <brobostigon> popey: debian
[14:28] <popey> x or no x?
[14:28] <brobostigon> popey: x
[14:28] <popey> do you have a system -> preferences -> keyboard applet thing?
[14:28] <popey> assuming gnome?
[14:28] <brobostigon> keyboard and keyboard shortcuts
[14:29] <popey> keyboard
[14:29] <popey> should have a "layouts" tab
[14:29] <brobostigon> yep.
[14:29] <popey> what layout is it set to?
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> dvorak ;)
[14:30] <brobostigon> |
[14:30] <brobostigon> yay
[14:30] <Darael> MartijnVdS: Whose dvorak?  UK, US?  There are some minor differences.
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> Darael: exactly ;)
[14:30] <brobostigon> |||||||||
[14:30] <Darael> MartijnVdS: Why am I even asking you?
[14:30] <brobostigon> thanks popey :)
[14:30] <lazarus_> lol
[14:30]  * brobostigon gets everyone beers
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> Beers \o/
[14:31] <lazarus_> woo
[14:31] <Phineas> woot beers
[14:32] <lazarus_> Im on my android atm
[14:32] <Darael> MartijnVdS: Also, does that mean you use dvorak?  If so, hooray, I've actually met someone else that does.
[14:32] <MartijnVdS> Darael: no, I'm a qwerty man :)
[14:32] <Darael> Aww.
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> I use too many different machines (also other peoples') for dvorak to be useful
[14:33] <lazarus_> damm
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> also, sometimes other people want to use MY keyboard
[14:33] <screen-x> sadly compatibility > ergonomics
[14:33] <Darael> I switch reasonably easily, but I use dvorak for preference.  And for other people, qwerty is just a shift+shift away.
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: I type as fast as I think :)
[14:34] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: I don't _want_ to type faster ;)
[14:34] <screen-x> I was thinking of finger longevity rather than speed
[14:34] <MartijnVdS> no issues yet (20 years and counting)
[14:35] <awilkins> The keyboard itself, not just the layout, seems to affect the finger strain a lot
[14:35] <lazarus_> what is dvorak
[14:35] <bigcalm> A keyboard layout
[14:36] <lazarus_> yea but what is the diff
[14:36] <MartijnVdS> lazarus_: everything except 2 letters :)
[14:36] <awilkins> I prefer clickity mechanical switches every time - anecdotally, changing from a cheap nasty membrane keyboard to a proper Cherry keyboard with MX switches improved my dear old mums finger arthritis significantly (she was a professional legal secretary)
[14:36] <bigcalm> Wikipedia is your friend for that question :)
[14:36] <MartijnVdS> lazarus_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard
[14:37] <awilkins> I have a Cherry at work and a Model M at home (it's just a little too loud for the stupid open-plan offices that people have now)
[14:37] <Darael> lazarus_: Well, two letters and the numbers if you go by common implementations.
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> lazarus_: 'm' and 'a' are in the same spot
[14:38] <bigcalm> A new keyboard is as good as a holiday
[14:38] <lazarus_> lol
[14:38] <awilkins> And costs significantly less
[14:38] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: 1 - 9 as well
[14:39] <awilkins> * unless it's one of those stupid OLED ones
[14:39] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: sure, and `~ if you're comparing to US-QWERTY
[14:39] <bigcalm> :)
[14:39] <MartijnVdS> and |\
[14:39] <MartijnVdS> and ctrl, alt, wind, space, shift,capslock, tab, backspace :)
[14:39] <awilkins> The Apple key layout is just WRONG
[14:39] <lazarus_> scars only tell us where we've been not where we are going to be
[14:40] <bigcalm> I think it's time for an early afternoon nap
[14:40] <awilkins> It must be a significant factor in the number of Ruby developers on OSX because the braces are so horrible to find
[14:40] <lazarus_> my fav quote
[14:55]  * AlanBell boots natty
[14:56]  * TheOpenSourcerer says Hope you had a great Christmas AlanBell
[14:56] <DJones> Doc Martin boot, or boots to see if its alive?
[14:56] <AlanBell> hi TheOpenSourcerer
[14:56] <AlanBell> yes, pretty good
[14:56] <AlanBell> how was it chez TheOpenSourcerer?
[14:58] <AlanBell> DJones: I upgraded a maverick VM to Natty and booted it. Opens to a black background, no panels, no unity.
[14:58] <gord> AlanBell, can you get to gdm?
[14:58] <popey> heh, i had that too
[14:58] <AlanBell> yes, got past GDM
[14:59] <popey> i think he means can you get to gdm to choose classic desktop
[14:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: It was quite manic, but good fun.
[14:59] <AlanBell> I can create a launcher on the desktop to launch terminal
[14:59] <gord> right, best to just set yourself to classic desktop in gdm then, the detection of weather you can run unity or not is still in its early stages so bug reports are very welcome
[15:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Lots of cooking/drinking/partying etc.
[15:01] <gord> basically, if unity doesn't run (you don't get a panel or anything) you should be thrown back to the classic desktop
[15:01] <Nafallo> with force!
[15:01] <AlanBell> but I want unity to run!
[15:02] <gord> its not gonna work in a vm ;)
[15:02] <AlanBell> but compiz does
[15:02] <screen-x> AlanBell: which hypervisor?
[15:02] <AlanBell> virtualbox ose
[15:03] <gord> this is true, compiz however uses the real basic bare bones of what opengl offers, we are talking about the specifications that were defined in the 90's
[15:09] <daubers> Hmm.... in theory I could do everything I'm currently doing in natty
[15:09] <daubers> .....
[15:09]  * daubers reboots
[15:10] <popey> natty is unusable here
[15:10] <popey> clicking icons / indicators does nothing
[15:16] <nperry> !info samba4
[15:16] <nperry> !info samba
[15:17] <nperry> !info samba natty
[15:17] <nperry> </spam of lubotu3>
[15:18] <dutchie> nperry: use pm
[15:18] <dutchie> or packages.ubuntu.com
[15:18] <screen-x> dutchie: the bot doesn't respond to info requests in pm
[15:18] <dutchie> ah
[15:18] <dutchie> in that case, p.u.c
[15:19] <screen-x> !info samba natty > nperry
[15:19] <Nafallo> or launchpad
[15:19] <screen-x> hmm I was expecting the bot to say "see my pm.."
[15:20] <nperry> screen-x: I thought so too.
[15:20] <screen-x> nperry: did you get a pm?
[15:20] <nperry> Yeah.
[15:21] <nperry> Whats the restart samba command
[15:21] <Darael> nperry: sudo service smbd restart && sudo service nmbd restart
[15:22] <bigcalm> sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[15:22] <bigcalm> Oh, it's a service now
[15:22] <nperry> Ahhh smbd, was saying service samba unreconizged
[15:22] <Darael> bigcalm: service just invokes init scripts, but apparently we're supposed to use service now.
[15:22] <Darael> bigcalm: Personally, I've been used to invoke-rc.d but...
[15:53] <buzz_> i just do "restart smbd"
[16:12] <screen-x> Does anyone have a personal finance app/system that links to internet banking? I'd like to categories transactions but don't want to have to add all transactions manually..
[16:12] <dutchie> wxbanker got integration into some online service ~recently#
[16:12] <dutchie> istr it was us-only though
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> yeah banks should figure out a common standard :)
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> (though it might be hard to make a secure-enough implementable standard)
[16:16] <screen-x> dutchie: interesting, and it has csv import, which may work
[16:27] <popey> screen-x: which bank?
[16:27] <screen-x> popey: lloyds
[16:27] <popey> mine has a quicken export feature which gnucash can import
[16:27] <popey> i hear others can do that too
[16:28] <screen-x> there is a csv download, which may work with wxbanker, will try that later.
[16:35] <awilkins> Dammit, I hate the slightly-different-dialects of regexp that all the GNU tools speak
[16:35] <awilkins> Why can't everything just be compatible with egrep....
[16:36] <awilkins> .. or maybe slightly more modern regexp than egrep
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> pgrep \o/
[16:37] <awilkins> Hmmph, in this case perfectly good regex that egrep likes doesn't work with mawk or gawk
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> ah yes, awk
[16:39] <awilkins> And I'm not in the mood to try and get sed to work across lines
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> it's usually extra (or less) escaping of () -> \(\)
[16:39] <screen-x> yeah
[16:39] <screen-x> and {} []
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> or if it's shell, even \\\(\\\)
[16:39] <awilkins> The highly helpful vim colourization maintains that I have the right number of escapes :-)
[16:40] <screen-x> editing python in vim is confusing as the vim search/replace uses slightly different regexes to the python re module.
[16:40] <dutchie> heh
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: you can teach vim to require different kinds of escaping
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: :help magic
[16:40] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: thanks
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: put "filetype plugin indent on
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> "
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> uhm
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> and then something in the right place to set the right magic on load :)
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> wait, that's to detect filetype on load :)
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: au BufRead,BufNewFile *.py set magic=foo
[16:47]  * screen-x reads :help magic
[16:48] <screen-x> moremagic isn't an option :(
[16:50] <MartijnVdS> I prefer "\v"
[16:53] <MartijnVdS> but it shuold be default imho
[16:53] <awilkins> Yarrrrgh
[16:54] <awilkins> You have to TURN ON many of the regex features it describes so it won't break old  awk programs
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: and Bram says even including the "magic/nomagic" option was a mistake
[16:57]  * awilkins punds head on desk *still desont work even when turned on*
[16:58]  * awilkins pounds head on desk again as it starts to work for no apparent reason
[16:59]  * screen-x points awilkins at the clock that says 16:59 
[16:59] <awilkins> Oh, I'm not WORKING
[16:59] <awilkins> I'm trying to contribute to LibreOffice
[16:59] <screen-x> ahh well have a teabreak :)
[16:59] <gord> you are a braver man than I
[17:00] <awilkins> Just doing things on their "easy hacks" list
[17:00] <awilkins> And learning things about sed/grep/awk as a positive side effect
[17:01]  * awilkins sets off his mass-replace of DOOM
[17:05] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:08] <daubers> o/
[17:13] <brobostigon> any suggestions, i want to record the date not justthe time in irssi's log.
[17:14] <brobostigon> 17:07:03 log_timestamp =  &D:%H:%M:%S
[17:14] <brobostigon> is what i have right now, and it doesnt show the date, only time.
[17:21] <popey> brobostigon: &D should be %D?
[17:22] <brobostigon> popey: good point. :)
[17:32] <jacobw> i'm having trouble with GNOME being in Industrial theme when i log in, then changing itself to Ambiance with certain artifacts of Industrial remaining
[17:32]  * DJones wonders what popey has done wrong to be called so many rude words
[17:32] <jacobw> is anyone having problems like that?
[17:38] <popey> DJones: we have a silly game where I say "I love you" and he says "I love you to..     .. stinky!"
[17:45] <brobostigon> weird, irssi is logging one channel i am on, but not another.
[17:48] <brobostigon> this is not my day.
[18:00] <livingdaylight> installed ubuntu on laptop but wireless is not working out of the box. Do I need to install something?
[18:02] <DJones> livingdaylight: No idea, "installed ubuntu on laptop but wireless is not working out the box" isn't of any use in identifying the problem
[18:02] <DJones> !details | livingdaylight
[18:03] <livingdaylight> ubuntu 10.10 on lenovo R60e
[18:03] <DJones> eg. Which wireless card/which laptop etc
[18:04] <DJones> Have you tried hardware drivers? Connect via cable to start with so that it can download anything it needs?
[18:07] <livingdaylight> http://paste.ubuntu.com/548588/
[18:07] <livingdaylight> DJones, currently connected via network cable so was able to complete install and updates
[18:09] <DJones> Looks like intel 3945 wifi, but I've not used that
[18:10] <daubers> livingdaylight: Nothing in the hardware drivers thing suggesting restricted firmware?
[18:10] <livingdaylight> daubers, hardware drivers not popping up
[18:10] <DJones> I suppose the other obvious suggestion, mac address filtering set up on the router
[18:11] <livingdaylight> can i find somewhere?
[18:11] <daubers> livingdaylight: system -> administration -> Additional Drivers
[18:12] <livingdaylight> says 'NO additional drivers are in use on this system'
[18:12] <daubers> livingdaylight: No options in the selection box at the top?>
[18:12] <livingdaylight> pink and empty
[18:14] <daubers> livingdaylight: What does dmesg | grep iwl3945 show?
[18:15]  * popey wonders if the wifi kill switch is on
[18:16] <popey> the iwl3945 shouldn't need additional drivers
[18:16] <livingdaylight> http://paste.ubuntu.com/548589/
[18:17] <livingdaylight> popey, where is this switch?
[18:17] <popey> that looks fine
[18:17] <popey> livingdaylight: does it show up in network manager?
[18:18] <popey> livingdaylight: whats the output of the command nm-tool
[18:18] <livingdaylight> on panel?
[18:18] <popey> nm-tool pastebinned will suffice
[18:19] <livingdaylight> http://paste.ubuntu.com/548590/
[18:20] <popey> livingdaylight: some laptops have a physical hardware "switch" to turn wifi on/off
[18:20] <popey> others it's a keyboard combination like Fn+F6
[18:20] <popey> where the icon on the function key looks like an antenna
[18:21] <popey> http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/19143.jpg
[18:21] <popey> is that your keyboard?
[18:21] <popey> can't make out a wifi switch there, maybe it's a hardware one
[18:21] <livingdaylight> sudo iwlist scan shows wlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
[18:22] <livingdaylight> popey, yes
[18:22] <popey> if it was disabled though I'd expect there to be something like this in dmesg...
[18:22] <popey> "iwl3945: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch"
[18:23] <popey> so probably not that
[18:24] <zack_> Hi, how do I change the audio device used from the terminal?
[18:25] <popey> zack_: what do you want to change?
[18:25] <zack_> It's playing out the wrong one motherboard audio and not the usb dongle
[18:25] <popey> why do you want to do it from the terminal?
[18:25] <zack_> Its a server
[18:25] <popey> we have a gui for that
[18:25] <popey> heh
[18:25] <popey> what app are you playing audio with?
[18:25] <zack_> What the command line for the gui and I'll vnc it ;)
[18:26] <popey> !info pavucontrol
[18:26] <popey> but that probably wont help
[18:26] <popey> if it's not got a gui / pulse running
[18:27] <popey> livingdaylight: has the wifi been known to work?
[18:28] <zack_> popey, I've got vnc on it so I'll give it a shot
[18:28] <livingdaylight> popey, on the contrary it has been known to work... but laptop has been sat on a shelf for a few months because fan broke. Now replaced with new fan and keyboard which also broke due to negligence...
[18:28] <popey> i need to go and bath my son, back later
[18:29] <livingdaylight> will reboot
[18:37] <zack_> ah ok, its not detecting the usb dongle, is there a special package for that? desktop version of ubuntu work fine -_-
[18:58] <livingdaylight> any ideas on how to get wireless going?
[19:03] <mfraz74> we're going to need more info than that
[19:03] <brobostigon> agreed.
[19:17]  * popey returns
[19:17] <brobostigon> wb popey
[19:17]  * brobostigon gets popey a beer.
[19:17] <popey> heh
[19:17] <popey> just got one on the way to my desk! :)
[19:17] <brobostigon> :)
[19:29] <issyl0> Ello :)
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:30] <Laney> just erased an absolutely huge email that has taken me days to write
[19:30] <Laney> :-(
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> Laney: Ctrl+Z?
[19:30] <Laney> no no
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> gmail -> trash ? ;)
[19:30] <Laney> it was the classic "Do you want to save? No" NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[19:31] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: how're you?
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> great! :) just got back from the gym
[19:31] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: cool :)
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> also, putting all my CDs and LPs on discogs.com
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> (for easy reference)
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> with almost 400, that almost feels like work ;)
[19:34] <mfraz74> MartijnVdS: wish there was an easier way of doing that
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> mfraz74: it's a lot of looking at small codes & bar codes, yes :)
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> but I only have to do it once
[19:38] <mfraz74> perhaps there should be an app for the android phone. scan the barcode and send it to discogs
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> mfraz74: doesn't always work.. I have some weird/unknown stuff :)
[19:40] <mfraz74> i do too, but it would help cut out most of it
[19:43]  * MartijnVdS is almost done ;)
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> issyl0: How are your projects?
[19:52] <zleap> hey issyl0 long time no chat :)
[19:54] <kvarley> Can anybody help me fix the audio delay I have with enemy territory quake wars? I'm on ubuntu 10.10 and the audio in the game is delayed by about 30 seconds.
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: again?
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: what happens when you run it with pasuspender without the +set arguments?
[19:54] <kvarley>  MartijnVdS: Yesterday didn't fix it
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: have you tried searching for other people with similar problems?
[19:56] <issyl0> zleap: hey!
[19:56] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: heh, my projects are OK :)
[19:56] <kvarley>  MartijnVdS: Yes thats how I found the pasuspender thing. Nobody has replied on ask ubuntu.
[19:56] <zleap> hows you, merry xmas and a happy new year
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: could you try the pasuspender thing without the +set bit? just pasuspender /usr/local/games/blah
[19:58] <kvarley>  MartijnVdS: Tried and it's the same result
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: are you using the "rthread" version?
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> pasuspender -- ./etqw-rthread +set s_driver alsa
[20:00] <kvarley>  MartijnVdS: How can I find out what version I have?
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: of Ubuntu? lsb_release -a
[20:01] <kvarley> "No LSB modules are available."
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: it should also list a release + description
[20:02] <kvarley> "Release: 10.10" "Codename: Maverick"
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: have you tried the "rthread" and s_driver line?
[20:05] <kvarley> It gives me the same result
[20:06] <issyl0> zleap: thanks, you too! I'm fine - you? :)
[20:06] <zleap> i am good
[20:06] <zleap> going to see tron legacyt tomorrow with some of the dc lug people :)
[20:06] <issyl0> Oh cool :)
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: In that case, I don't think there's anyone with enough alsa/pulse experience on this channel
[20:07]  * MartijnVdS is going to IKEA tomorrow... hoping it's not too busy :)
[20:07] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Ok, thank you for your help anyway. If I find a fix I'll let you know :)
[20:07] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: haha - good luck ;)
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> issyl0: I need new shelves for my records :)
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> (I seem to have become somewhat of a collector)
[20:08] <issyl0> Ohhh :)
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> but not of the die-hard "it has to stay factory-sealed" kind
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> LPs and CDs are made to be played
[20:10] <Nafallo> Launchpads?
[20:10] <Nafallo> ;-)
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: no, vinyl records.. the "old" things
[20:11]  * MartijnVdS throws Nafallo a troll snack
[20:11] <Nafallo> are they like CDs? rip them to the cloud and never touch them again?
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: new ones come with MP3s so you don't have to rip :)
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> (no really)
[20:12] <Nafallo> yeah, most old ones as well.
[20:12] <Nafallo> recently had to buy one CD off of Amazon refurbish or whatever though.
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: try finding an original record from '84 with mp3 voucher/CD included
[20:12] <Nafallo> just couldn't find it anywhere.
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: try discogs.com -- those people have EVERYTHING for sale :)
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> (next time maybe)
[20:13] <Nafallo> already bought it.
[20:13] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: absolutely :)
[20:13] <Nafallo> it got uploaded to U1 as I ripped it :-P
[20:13] <Nafallo> so I actually listened to it first time on my netbook, but ripped on my laptop ;-)
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: I rip to flac, then have rb convert to mp3 for my nexus
[20:14] <Nafallo> ♥ technology
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> ♥ "Top 2000" on Dutch radio
[20:14] <Nafallo> I rip to flac, and then let my for script transcode to MP3 for my Nokia
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> (http://shoutcast.omroep.nl:8102/listen.pls )
[20:16]  * Nafallo puts on "The Crow" instead
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: Dutch language music now :) (beautiful song at that)
[20:17] <Nafallo> hmm
[20:17] <Nafallo> I wouldn't understand it
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: you're Swedish.. it's not THAT different
[20:17] <Nafallo> pfff
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/a/abel/onderweg.html
[20:18] <Nafallo> didn't understand it while I was in Brussels, won't understand it now
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> :)
[20:19] <Nafallo> I wouldn't mind going back though
[20:19] <Nafallo> jeez. I shouldn't have eaten that much pizza.
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: http://ftw.popey.com/ ?
[20:21] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: no, firezza.
[20:21] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: stupid deal made me buy half a meter of pizza.
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: and you ate it all?
[20:21] <Nafallo> half
[20:22] <Nafallo> will need the gym tomorrow.
[20:22] <Nafallo> oh, and a tiramisu for dessert.
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> finish it of with a yard of ale ;)
[20:23] <Nafallo> nah. I have my red wine
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> ♫ Red Red Wine
[20:23] <Nafallo> omnomnom
[20:24]  * MartijnVdS has water + fresh mint
[20:24] <Nafallo> hmm. water wouldn't be a bad plan
[20:24]  * Nafallo goes to fetch
[20:25] <Nafallo> *sigh* this upload to U1 will never get done :-/
[20:26]  * Nafallo considers finding a data centre tomorrow if it's not done by then.
[21:15] <marsilainen> which is better, thunderbird or evolution?
[21:16] <Nafallo> thunderbird
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> unless you need to connect to Exchange
[21:17] <Nafallo> there are plugins for thunderbird to do that surely?
[21:17] <diplo> not that i found last time i tried Nafallo
[21:19] <Nafallo> google found me one
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> cross-platform?
[21:21] <Nafallo> addons.mozilla.org doesn't seem to load for me :-/
[21:21] <Nafallo> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/244848/
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> http://gitorious.org/lightning-exchange-provider/pages/Home
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> I found that
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/195279/
[21:23] <Nafallo> bah. addons.m.o is useless for me.
[21:23] <Nafallo> bet it is because I'm trying to upload a 900MB file to U1 at the same time
[21:24] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: ...
[21:24] <MartijnVdS> get better fibre ;)
[21:25] <Nafallo> FTTC is delayed here :-/
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> same here
[21:27] <MartijnVdS> But when I need to upload a few GB, I just take it to work :)
[21:27] <MartijnVdS> 100/100 to the dc :)
[21:27] <MartijnVdS> 155 actually, but I don't get gbit from the distribution switch :)
[21:28] <Nafallo> worst case I'll find myself a DC tomorrow.
[21:28] <Nafallo> this netbook only got 100Mbps though.
[21:29] <Nafallo> could easily find a gig directly on a Cisco 6500 I could hook up on :-)
[21:33] <AlanBell> gord: I got unity running in virtualbox 4
[21:34] <Nafallo> gah! srsly?!
[21:34] <AlanBell> oh yeah :)
[21:34] <Nafallo> they've pushed back rolling out BT Infinity here for 3 months :-(
[21:34] <Nafallo> instead of in two days it's end of March now :-(
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: wait an infinite amount of time, then you should have it
[21:35] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: yeah, it is BT... isn't it :-/
[21:36] <Nafallo> lol. I could get 2.5Mbps now, 35.2/8.6Mbps w/ Infinity :-P
[21:39] <MartijnVdS> I would be able to get something like that
[21:39] <MartijnVdS> If they'd bother to upgrade
[21:39] <Nafallo> this is why I should move closer to a data centre.
[21:40] <MartijnVdS> Good thing I work for them, or I'd switch to cable (50/5)
[21:40] <Nafallo> get one gig via IR or something.
[21:40] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: have them dig a private fibre to your home ;)
[21:41] <Nafallo> that's more expensive.
[21:42] <MartijnVdS> but it's faster
[21:43] <Nafallo> sure...
[22:01] <popey> whee, found a btfon spot near here
[22:02] <popey> get better reception than my own access point
[22:02] <popey> win
[22:02] <SuperMatt> ok, unity, is there a button I can press to start searching apps, etc, or can it only be done with the mouse?
[22:06] <SuperMatt> aha, you can bind something to unity --show
[22:06] <Nafallo> popey: hmm. that's something that'd scare me... providers putting wireless on stuff.
[22:06] <Nafallo> popey: actually, I remember back in Sweden where I put aluminium tubes on the antennas before I called support and told them to turn it off on my modem :-P
[22:07] <popey> meh
[22:21] <czajkowski> Peeka boo
[22:21]  * czajkowski tickles popey 
[23:03] <andylockran> howdy
[23:03] <popey> howdy howdy howdy
[23:03] <andylockran> happy holidays
[23:04] <czajkowski> doody
[23:04] <brobostigon> noswaith dda andylockran
[23:07] <popey> i should probably switch back to my own wifi and not my neighbours
[23:08] <popey> so slow
[23:10] <Nafallo> popey: fon is a percentage of the available bandwidth I believe :-)
[23:11] <popey> min is 1MB/s
[23:11] <popey> I have 3
[23:11] <Nafallo> is that you saying "yes, that's right" or "no, you are wrong" ?
[23:11] <Nafallo> :-)
[23:11] <popey> no you are wrong
[23:11] <popey> its not expressed as a percentage :)
[23:12] <Nafallo> pffft
[23:12] <popey> :)
[23:12] <Nafallo> I bet it'll be more than 1Mbps once they roll out 40Mbps everywhere :-P
[23:13] <popey> the slider on the web interface only goes down to 1Mb/s
[23:13] <popey> well, on the fon site, dunno what BT do tbh
[23:13] <Nafallo> oh. a slider.
[23:13] <Nafallo> fair enough
[23:14] <Nafallo> I always thought they'd just steal a part of your bandwidth, no questions asked ;-)
[23:14] <popey> i dunno what bt do
[23:14] <popey> i assumed it was optional?
[23:14] <Nafallo> no idea TBH.
[23:15] <Nafallo> I've never bothered to lookup the default user/pass on the homehubs my neighbors have ;-)
[23:15] <BigRedS> popey: I think it's opt-out
[23:15] <BigRedS> If you make your homehub an openzone hotspot, you get a free openzone subscription
[23:15] <BigRedS> or, rather, if you don't let them have your homehub as an opnzone hotspot, no subscription for you
[23:17]  * Nafallo adds ppa:mozillateam/firefox-next and hopes that one is active
[23:19]  * popey tickles Nafallo 
[23:20]  * Nafallo giggles
[23:27] <Nafallo> oooh. this firefox works with pentadactyl.
[23:27] <Nafallo> how winful!
[23:27] <penguin42> pentadactyl?
[23:27] <Nafallo> yeah
[23:45] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[23:55] <Seeker`> o/