[00:05] why does 10.10 suck so much :( [00:07] i swear every time i install it now i find some stupid error that should never be causing as much of an issue as it does [00:10] nobody going to defend it [00:10] ? [00:12] haven't tried it [00:13] lol you havent used 10.10 yet? [00:16] nope [00:16] are you on 10.04 or something? [00:20] yeah [00:23] lol well do you know how to moutn a flash drive so that you can exicute programs from it [00:23] i could never get that even in 10.04 [00:23] some idiot thought it would be great for security [00:25] -o exec [00:25] when mounting? [00:26] yeah, or remounting [00:26] hmm illhave to try that [00:26] i havent been able to get lastpass working on my linux boxes cause of that really silly "security" chane [00:27] change* [00:27] the change should never have happend without a per-program override like windows [00:29] well it looks like gateway has decided for methat my new HTPC will be ubuntu for sure [03:56] * Takyoji returns [03:56] true or false? [03:56] Is there a question or are those just our choices? [03:57] I'm wondering what Takyoji returns. [03:58] I return a signed integer you insensitive clod! D: [04:00] i can has negative nice value nao? :D [04:00] It's rather awkward how process priority is called "niceness" [04:51] Yay, my new connector works out-of-the-box on Ubuntu, as I thought it would [04:52] This be the connector: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/dd1a/ [04:57] Just emailed ThinkGeek to add Linux to the supported list [05:23] Heh, I even just booted a whole Tangle installation on old harddrive using the cable and VirtualBox [05:24] I'm definitely bringing this to the next installfest [05:47] Guess which one indicates my network usage: http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/takyoji/iso-download.png [05:51] Takyoji: where's the power connector on that cable? [05:52] It's a seperate cable that comes with it; it's a Molex and SATA power cable with an attached transformer and all. [05:54] Where's my phone? [05:54] On a table [05:54] tonyyarusso: In your coat? [05:54] sparklehistory: nope [05:54] tonyyarusso: Well, where did you put it when you took it out of your coat then? [05:54] I get a kick that I'm installing 11.04 in a virtual machine in VirtualBox on a physical old harddrive over the connector. :P [05:55] On the washing machine! [05:55] haha [05:55] As long as it's *on* the washing machine and not *in* the washing machine [05:55] apparently the responsiveness of the installer appears to be based upon the performance of the harddrive. [05:56] In other words, on this old HD, it seems rather hangy-ish [05:56] unless if that's VirtualBox's fault [05:56] * tonyyarusso installs Natty a couple times while Takyoji waits [05:57] Responsiveness in terms of the GUI, specifically. [05:58] anyway; I've suggested my idea on the Ubuntu Tour project (which is a little empty in terms of users) and someone seemed interested. [05:59] My idea is of creating a web-based recreation of Ubuntu, solely for the purpose of as a guided learning tool. Like stepping people through the process of doing something in the GNOME environment. [05:59] A very vague example would be like screenshots of each step, whereas the area to click is an anchor to the page of the next step. [05:59] err, don't we already have tools that can do that? [05:59] But in all reality, I wouldn't do that; I'd be able to it with CSS and XHTML [06:00] Ubuntu Tour can't really control anything with applications much at all. [06:00] Just fixed arrows, and screenshots, not much else. [06:00] unless if I'm mistaken [06:00] right, so why bother? [06:01] You're quite supportive. :P [06:01] It would be more "hands-on" than just screenshots and static text. [06:01] Think: eyeOS rethemed as Ubuntu, with tooltips on each step along the way, with voice guidance (if manually enabled) [06:02] Just flipping back and forth between a real application and a screenshot would be annoying I think [06:02] and the goal is that it would also focus on completely new computer users as well [06:03] any changes in opinion yet? [06:05] Toggling between windows of applications, is annoying, is my thought. Scrolling (like with read static text), pausing/playing/seeking (like with a video tutorial), and so on usually seems to make a learning experience slower. [06:05] * tonyyarusso rephrases [06:05] Whereas if it's all integrated into a single interface and application, without having to jump between windows, or having two simultaneous windows open, it'll be more convenient. [06:06] There are things out there to allow for access to an actual Ubuntu system over the 'net, so there's no realy point in trying to re-implement it in javascript and stuff. [06:06] If you can find a way to make an application open up the Applications menu, and highlight an option; then tell me. [06:06] Also, eyeOS - you mean the horrendous failure? :P [06:07] And yes, you can do it over the network, but that still comes back to the core problem. :P [06:09] because unless if there's some "Assistance/Handicap Tool" that can manipulate a GUI in GNOME, without having the application to have special support to have such possible, there's not really much else for an option. [06:11] Oh speak again, bright angel! [06:13] I'll give a cookie to whomever knows of a way that doesn't require making a fake representation of Ubuntu [06:20] Takyoji: That reminds me of a website our helpdesk used to use back in the days when dial-up was big. It had the network configuration screens for every version of Windows done in that way (image maps). [06:22] heh ahh [06:25] Bleh, apparently this is the "Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase" example video for 11.04: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrzC5JKl3zM [06:27] * Takyoji wonders when the login sound will ever change [06:58] ubuntu-advertising seems to be an interesting mailing list to read [06:59] and apparently in 11.04 there's Terminal and Root Terminal in Accessories [07:06] Just like old times! [07:07] and under System there's the Lock, Logout, and Shutdown options again [07:07] unless if it's just GNOME unaltered [18:28] So Unity requires graphics acceleration? [18:28] and woo, I didn't know of this until now: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/12/install-virtualbox-40-stable-in-ubuntu.html [18:28] of VirtualBox 4 being released a week ago [18:53] I wonder why I get the feeling that Unity is a fusion of Mac OS X and Windows 7? xP [19:57] Hi can some one take a look at this and see if they can point me in the right direction [19:57] http://pastebin.com/wss2wD5T