[00:05] <AlphaCluster> why does 10.10 suck so much :(
[00:07] <AlphaCluster> i swear every time i install it now i find some stupid error that should never be causing as much of an issue as it does
[00:10] <AlphaCluster> nobody going to defend it
[00:10] <AlphaCluster> ?
[00:12] <tonyyarusso> haven't tried it
[00:13] <AlphaCluster> lol you havent used 10.10 yet?
[00:16] <tonyyarusso> nope
[00:16] <AlphaCluster> are you on 10.04 or something?
[00:20] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[00:23] <AlphaCluster> lol well do you know how to moutn a flash drive so that you can exicute programs from it
[00:23] <AlphaCluster> i could never get that even in 10.04
[00:23] <AlphaCluster> some idiot thought it would be great for security
[00:25] <tonyyarusso> -o exec
[00:25] <AlphaCluster> when mounting?
[00:26] <tonyyarusso> yeah, or remounting
[00:26] <AlphaCluster> hmm illhave to try that
[00:26] <AlphaCluster> i havent been able to get lastpass working on my linux boxes cause of that really silly "security" chane
[00:27] <AlphaCluster> change*
[00:27] <AlphaCluster> the change should never have happend without a per-program override like windows
[00:29] <AlphaCluster> well it looks like gateway has decided for methat my new HTPC will be ubuntu for sure
[03:56]  * Takyoji returns
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> true or false?
[03:56] <sparklehistory> Is there a question or are those just our choices?
[03:57] <tonyyarusso> I'm wondering what Takyoji returns.
[03:58] <Takyoji> I return a signed integer you insensitive clod! D:
[04:00] <Takyoji> i can has negative nice value nao? :D
[04:00] <Takyoji> It's rather awkward how process priority is called "niceness"
[04:51] <Takyoji> Yay, my new connector works out-of-the-box on Ubuntu, as I thought it would
[04:52] <Takyoji> This be the connector: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/dd1a/
[04:57] <Takyoji> Just emailed ThinkGeek to add Linux to the supported list
[05:23] <Takyoji> Heh, I even just booted a whole Tangle installation on old harddrive using the cable and VirtualBox
[05:24] <Takyoji> I'm definitely bringing this to the next installfest
[05:47] <Takyoji> Guess which one indicates my network usage: http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/takyoji/iso-download.png
[05:51] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: where's the power connector on that cable?
[05:52] <Takyoji> It's a seperate cable that comes with it; it's a Molex and SATA power cable with an attached transformer and all.
[05:54] <tonyyarusso> Where's my phone?
[05:54] <Takyoji> On a table
[05:54] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: In your coat?
[05:54] <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: nope
[05:54] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: Well, where did you put it when you took it out of your coat then?
[05:54] <Takyoji> I get a kick that I'm installing 11.04 in a virtual machine in VirtualBox on a physical old harddrive over the connector. :P
[05:55] <tonyyarusso> On the washing machine!
[05:55] <sparklehistory> haha
[05:55] <sparklehistory> As long as it's *on* the washing machine and not *in* the washing machine
[05:55] <Takyoji> apparently the responsiveness of the installer appears to be based upon the performance of the harddrive.
[05:56] <Takyoji> In other words, on this old HD, it seems rather hangy-ish
[05:56] <Takyoji> unless if that's VirtualBox's fault
[05:56]  * tonyyarusso installs Natty a couple times while Takyoji waits
[05:57] <Takyoji> Responsiveness in terms of the GUI, specifically.
[05:58] <Takyoji> anyway; I've suggested my idea on the Ubuntu Tour project (which is a little empty in terms of users) and someone seemed interested.
[05:59] <Takyoji> My idea is of creating a web-based recreation of Ubuntu, solely for the purpose of as a guided learning tool. Like stepping people through the process of doing something in the GNOME environment.
[05:59] <Takyoji> A very vague example would be like screenshots of each step, whereas the area to click is an anchor to the page of the next step.
[05:59] <tonyyarusso> err, don't we already have tools that can do that?
[05:59] <Takyoji> But in all reality, I wouldn't do that; I'd be able to it with CSS and XHTML
[06:00] <Takyoji> Ubuntu Tour can't really control anything with applications much at all.
[06:00] <Takyoji> Just fixed arrows, and screenshots, not much else.
[06:00] <Takyoji> unless if I'm mistaken
[06:00] <tonyyarusso> right, so why bother?
[06:01] <Takyoji> You're quite supportive. :P
[06:01] <Takyoji> It would be more "hands-on" than just screenshots and static text.
[06:01] <Takyoji> Think: eyeOS rethemed as Ubuntu, with tooltips on each step along the way, with voice guidance (if manually enabled)
[06:02] <Takyoji> Just flipping back and forth between a real application and a screenshot would be annoying I think
[06:02] <Takyoji> and the goal is that it would also focus on completely new computer users as well
[06:03] <Takyoji> any changes in opinion yet?
[06:05] <Takyoji> Toggling between windows of applications, is annoying, is my thought. Scrolling (like with read static text), pausing/playing/seeking (like with a video tutorial), and so on usually seems to make a learning experience slower.
[06:05]  * tonyyarusso rephrases
[06:05] <Takyoji> Whereas if it's all integrated into a single interface and application, without having to jump between windows, or having two simultaneous windows open, it'll be more convenient.
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> There are things out there to allow for access to an actual Ubuntu system over the 'net, so there's no realy point in trying to re-implement it in javascript and stuff.
[06:06] <Takyoji> If you can find a way to make an application open up the Applications menu, and highlight an option; then tell me.
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> Also, eyeOS - you mean the horrendous failure?  :P
[06:07] <Takyoji> And yes, you can do it over the network, but that still comes back to the core problem. :P
[06:09] <Takyoji> because unless if there's some "Assistance/Handicap Tool" that can manipulate a GUI in GNOME, without having the application to have special support to have such possible, there's not really much else for an option.
[06:11] <Takyoji> Oh speak again, bright angel!
[06:13] <Takyoji> I'll give a cookie to whomever knows of a way that doesn't require making a fake representation of Ubuntu
[06:20] <rlaager> Takyoji: That reminds me of a website our helpdesk used to use back in the days when dial-up was big. It had the network configuration screens for every version of Windows done in that way (image maps).
[06:22] <Takyoji> heh ahh
[06:25] <Takyoji> Bleh, apparently this is the "Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase" example video for 11.04: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrzC5JKl3zM
[06:27]  * Takyoji wonders when the login sound will ever change
[06:58] <Takyoji> ubuntu-advertising seems to be an interesting mailing list to read
[06:59] <Takyoji> and apparently in 11.04 there's Terminal and Root Terminal in Accessories
[07:06] <tonyyarusso> Just like old times!
[07:07] <Takyoji> and under System there's the Lock, Logout, and Shutdown options again
[07:07] <Takyoji> unless if it's just GNOME unaltered
[18:28] <Takyoji> So Unity requires graphics acceleration?
[18:28] <Takyoji> and woo, I didn't know of this until now: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/12/install-virtualbox-40-stable-in-ubuntu.html
[18:28] <Takyoji> of VirtualBox 4 being released a week ago
[18:53] <Takyoji> I wonder why I get the feeling that Unity is a fusion of Mac OS X and Windows 7? xP
[19:57] <Wally______> Hi can some one take a look at this and see if they can point me in the right direction
[19:57] <Wally______> http://pastebin.com/wss2wD5T