=== Mamarok_ is now known as Mamarok [02:18] [muon] jmthomas * 1210224 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/MuonStrings.cpp SVN_SILENT: I rewrote this class completely, so relicense it [02:32] [muon] jmthomas * 1210230 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (2 files in 2 dirs) While the Categorized view technically wasn't asking QApt to search for searches < 2 chars, it was showing the results view. For consistency, don't do that. [12:49] hi, is there anyone who has installed kdepim 4.6? the migration tool seem not working :( [12:54] yes but I havn't tried or looked at the migration tool [12:55] I don't even know if it's packaged [12:55] although it should be if it gets compiled by default [12:57] Riddell: it's packaged (installed prom aptitude), it seems working (it migrate the mails), but it keep asking the pwd telling that what i write is wrong... and i'm sure that it's correct... this for all the accounts, not just one [12:57] both pop3 and imap [13:03] mika__: I'm afraid I don't know then, it's probably an upstream issue, I would try setting up new accounts and seeing if it works with new users etc then asking in #kontact [13:03] ok.. === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [13:18] \o [16:38] hi friends [16:39] I plan to package the KDE4 version of KDE Debugger for natty (I think I still have time) [16:39] the current version in Kubuntu is KDE3, so the build way changes a lot [16:41] I dont know if package it from scratch and keep the old changelog, or just try the procedure of updating the upstream tarball and make a completely new debian/rules === rdieter is now known as rdieter_ === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [16:56] do you think any of this patch is still necessary? http://patches.ubuntu.com/k/kdbg/ [17:01] EagleScreen: I would be tempted to package from scratch [17:01] I will do it and will keep the Ubuntu changelog of previous versions [17:01] yes [17:34] bah, if I had a usb camera I could complete the Qt3support removal from kamera [17:40] does KDE4 apps build-dep in autotools-dev? [17:40] nope [17:41] For build-depends I would personally start out with these and add more as needed: [17:41] debhelper (>= 7.3.16), pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.5.0), cmake, [17:41] kdelibs5-dev [17:41] build-dep on quilt is only reuqired when quilt patches exist, true? [17:41] right [17:42] JontheEchidna: I am sure there would be people to test ;) [17:42] mhhh, qtcreator with snippets <3 [17:44] apachelogger: at least kamera doesn't link against kde3support anymore :) [17:46] which decreases its RAM usage by 0.2 MB (3%) [17:48] EagleScreen: you don't need to build-dep on quilt if you use dpkg source format '3.0 (quilt)' [17:49] i have cameras [17:49] yofel: how do I be sure i am in 3.0 format? [17:50] EagleScreen: put '3.0 (quilt)' into debian/source/format [17:50] it already is there [17:51] EagleScreen: good, see http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0 too [17:51] maintainer for kddbg should be Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers ?? [17:51] ^yup [17:52] shouldn't it be Kubuntu Developers JontheEchidna? [17:52] is there some packages which have Kubuntu developpers or is it my imagination? [17:52] yofel: that's generally used for KDE packages in main [17:52] is kdbg in main? [17:52] nope, it is in universe [17:52] ah [17:52] ok [17:52] so i keep Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers [17:53] yeah. Before it probably would have said "Ubuntu MOTU Developers" but it got changed to "Ubuntu Developers" when the new archive permissions scheme was introduced [17:54] ok [17:54] and wjat aboutXSBC-Original-Maintainer ? [17:54] EagleScreen: that would be you, since you're making the new packaging [17:54] keep the Debian one? (ana guerrero)? [17:55] oh then, me? [17:55] well, it probably doesn't matter too much either way. [17:56] there are two maintainer fields so that the debian maintainers don't get bugged about packages with changes made by Ubuntu [17:56] so whenever we change a package that comes from Debian we add the XSBC-Original-Maintainer field and set that to the original author of the packaging [17:57] yes, I think, it should be me [17:57] Ana wont care about this package done by me [18:01] JontheEchidna, EagleScreen: use script 'update-maintainer' [18:01] ari-tczew: in which package it is? [18:01] EagleScreen: ubuntu-dev-tools [18:02] ari-tczew: I havent it now since I ma doing this work in a Debian box [18:02] oh yes, it is packages in Debian! [18:09] ;] [18:22] apachelogger Hey Harald :D [18:23] sheytan! [18:23] hooray [18:23] no one ever were so happy to see me :D [18:24] * apachelogger is always [18:24] glad :D [18:24] what's the deal? [18:24] sheytan: so, we started work on VLC for phones and whatnot (n900, e8, s60...) and I was wondering if you could come up with a UI for those sort of devices [18:25] apachelogger: well, never saw thier UIs. If you could provide some screenshots that would be nice :) [18:25] sheytan: there no UI yet ;) [18:25] well [18:25] oh [18:25] sheytan: you mean of the phones? [18:26] yep [18:26] you know, we need integration :) [18:26] that is a theme aspect IMHO ;) [18:27] pff [18:27] yes, but lots of ppl will use default :P [18:27] jolly hard to find a ui these days [18:27] I'll come out with some cool fancy stuff :D [18:27] sheytan: I mean the default Qt styles on the devices can do a lot of integration already [18:27] didn't gimp for lots of time, so my batteries are fully loaded :D [18:28] apachelogger and stuff like icons will be yours or phone default? [18:28] sheytan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRVpYdorpi8 [18:29] icons at least on maemo can come from the system [18:29] however they do not need to [18:29] not sure about the other thingies since they run symbian [18:29] well, let me start some base drawings :) [18:30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3fDnv064NU [18:31] what's the default display res for n900? [18:31] 800x480 [18:31] ok, let me do some shapes :D [18:31] n8 is 360x640 if I am not mistaken [18:32] (note that there could be different UIs for n900 and n8, since they run different operating systems, so we can easily completely or slightly different uis) [18:33] sure, first n900 [18:33] yeah [18:33] * apachelogger only got that to work with for now anyway ^^ [18:34] sheytan: also, about the video player... we found one approach that should make transparency working, however blur would be a bit tricky (possibly we could use KWin for that, like Plasma) [18:34] at any rate QML will be difficult because of major performance drawbacks [18:34] another option that might be possible is only have the controls in QML... [18:35] I'll do some testing with that stuff and see how it goes [18:35] kwin <3! [18:35] please don't blur behind videos - you'll kill kwin [18:35] can you mix qml with kwin and plasma, right? [18:35] mgraesslin: any other suggestions? [18:35] sheytan: no plasma in the mix [18:36] generally you can mix anything [18:36] we first need strong optimizations in kwin for that [18:36] well, the blur behind controllers container isn't needed that much [18:36] mgraesslin: sheytan insists on a blur for a player control widget, which makes sense really [18:36] lol [18:36] in general translucency and often changing content is a *bad* idea [18:36] sheytan: last time you went like "omgz we need this totally" :P [18:36] kwin is completely optimized for opaque windows [18:37] mgraesslin: ack, but apple can do it ;) [18:37] give me more developers and we can have it in 4.7 [18:37] brb [18:37] hm [18:37] * apachelogger orders an opengl book [18:37] you don't need opengl to improve that [18:38] oh [18:38] mgraesslin: what does one need? [18:39] we need to cache the background on blur, so that repaints don't require reblur [18:39] we need to don't blur behind blurred areas [18:40] we need to split windows in translucent and opaque parts and use different rendering strategies for it [18:47] this sounds all incredibly scary TBH :) [18:49] please take a look at this kdbg build failure http://pastebin.ca/2034426 [18:50] I might forgot pkg-kde-tools in build-dep? [18:50] EagleScreen: is pkg-kde-tools installed? [18:51] needs it to be in build-dep? [18:51] the build was tried in Launchpad PPA for natty [18:52] EagleScreen: yes [18:52] then it is the problem [18:54] it is not as scary as it might sound [18:55] multimedia is also very scary [18:55] sheytan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey5Z8PX1LbI about mid way through you can see the builtin n900 media player [18:56] * apachelogger broke his plasma :S [18:58] apachelogger: well ubuntu kernel team broke my kernel [18:58] 25 hangs today [18:59] nothing new there [18:59] * apachelogger wonders when he will get a n900 kernel actually ^^ [18:59] NEVAR [18:59] Nightrose: pingy pingy [19:00] apachelogger: pong [19:00] Nightrose: is there any page stuff about fosdem? accomodation and whatnot... [19:00] yes on community.kde.org [19:00] thx [19:00] yw [19:00] mgraesslin: IMO the most scary thing is kdebindings [19:01] apachelogger: will you be there? [19:01] ah [19:01] there it is [19:01] hihi [19:01] Nightrose: yus [19:01] \o/ [19:01] They NEVER build when I try. [19:01] *bounce* [19:01] apachelogger: you need to give a fluffy talk! [19:01] apachelogger: talk to bcoppens asap [19:01] like you _really_ need to [19:01] * apachelogger absolutely forgot about the xdesktop submission thing [19:02] Nightrose: why is that? [19:02] because :P [19:02] I see [19:02] well then I shall do so [19:02] once I have found bcoppens [19:02] yay [19:02] or email to the list [19:02] Nightrose: what list? [19:02] crossdesktop at something fosdem [19:02] check fosdem main page [19:02] ah [19:02] gmail will know too [19:03] I read that as "crossdress at something at fosedm" [19:03] Nightrose: ^ [19:03] -.- [19:03] * Nightrose goes back to thesis writing [19:03] oh dear [19:03] that sounds like fun [19:03] lol [19:03] are we crossdressing at fosdem? [19:04] apachelogger: want some python bugs for dessert? [19:05] Nightrose: if I take a mac user with me, will he have to demo KDE on mac? [19:05] http://i.imgur.com/kDTte.jpg [19:05] yus [19:06] Quintasan: I had a lot of phonons [19:06] cant eat another bite [19:07] JontheEchidna: Y U DO DIS TO ME MINDZ? [19:08] coolface.jpg [19:08] Nightrose: updated [19:09] JontheEchidna: that is an interesting pix [19:09] apachelogger: i think claudia is done with booking accomodation and on vacation until 3rd [19:09] best ping her on 3rd [19:09] oki [19:09] apachelogger: philosoraptor ftw [19:09] :D :D :D [19:10] http://i.imgur.com/yrcoj.png [19:12] >VLC mediaplayer [19:12] OH GOD PLEASE NO [19:13] muahahahahaha :D :D:D :D [19:25] should I upload new kdbg package to REVU? [19:25] or only to PPA? [19:32] EagleScreen: if you want your package reviewed, REVU [19:33] lintia reports somehting, so I'd like some review [19:44] is it a problem is a package has an uubntu revision greather than 1? 2.5ubuntu3 for isntance [19:45] apachelogger almost done :) [19:46] yay [19:46] EagleScreen: depends on the situation [19:46] generally no, the point of a revision is that it can be incremented ;) [19:46] I mean apackage in REVU [19:46] no [19:47] one can also review packages that are only updates ;) [19:47] s/updates/changes [19:52] ticket for to brussels secured [19:54] someone can review my kdbg (KDE4) package in REVU? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kdbg [20:10] EagleScreen: there is *a lot* more difference than the changelog suggest [20:10] s [20:10] is that a completely new version? [20:11] oh [20:12] nvm [20:12] or maybe mind [20:12] or maybe do [20:12] EagleScreen: ubuntu2 and ubuntu1 need to be merged [20:12] there a kde3 version in the archive [20:12] there was no ubuntu1 in natty [20:13] so from an ubuntu POV your changes are still ubuntu1 [20:13] (also, are you sure we want a git snapshot in natty?) [20:13] yes apachelogger it is at the end of the development cycle, it is very usable yet [20:18] apachelogger: I think we will have a final 2.5 release before natty is released [20:18] EagleScreen: please mail upstream and make sure that is actually the case :) [20:18] okay, I will do it [20:18] apachelogger http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/78/basez.jpg [20:18] you could also sort of urge them to release in timely manner for natty ;) [20:18] lets say it's ok, but not perffect [20:19] sheytan: can you join #videolan [20:25] can be a package removed from REVU? [20:26] how will now upload an ubuntu1 revision if already there is an ubuntu2 ? [20:27] EagleScreen: you can reupload the same version to revu [20:27] as many times as you want [20:28] but an older version? [20:28] hmm, I've never tried that [20:28] it might work though [20:31] ok, the most important failure in my package now, is that it does not install kdbg binary properly, as you can see, it is not installing the binaries in /usr/bin, for instance: http://img259.imageshack.us/i/plasmadesktopmt2091.jpg/ [20:31] upstream make install install it well [20:32] EagleScreen: since you have two binary packages you need a kdbg.install file in the debian directory with a list of all files that should be in the package [20:32] oh, also kdbg-dbg should be arch: any not arch: all [20:33] JontheEchidna: it is not necessary a kdbg-dbg.install? [20:33] EagleScreen: nope, the dbg package stuff in debian/rules takes care of that [20:34] ok [20:34] you can do usr/* and that will get all of the files most likely [20:35] I'll be writing up a full review of the current package and putting it on revu [20:56] to know the packages to be installed, I think in to look at "make install" output [20:57] for it, i am doing a new compilation of the upstream code [20:58] and now, cmake, does not run: http://pastebin.ca/2034531 [20:58] anyone know somehting aobut this arror? [20:59] will it be buildable in KDE 4.4? [21:00] you should probably ask upstream about that [21:09] Once virtuosoconverter dies we're free to remove the kdelibs5 transitional package from kde4libs [21:26] oh yeah [21:26] project-neon-amarok GO GO GO === seele-mobile_ is now known as seele-mobile [22:06] [muon] jmthomas * 1210352 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (16 files in 7 dirs) Use a proper shared, private library for libmuon instead of a static library [22:09] hey [22:09] anyone with a ati card here? [22:33] apachelogger: ping [22:33] pong [22:33] apachelogger: how does the bzr version of the release_script figure out what .po's to grab? [22:33] * apachelogger needs to catch his breath after reading the most sentence of his life [22:34] I think you accidentally a word there^ [22:34] JontheEchidna: it eats the Messages.sh files [22:34] *the most awesome sentence [22:34] apachelogger: it doesn't seem to be picking up two of my .po's [22:34] JontheEchidna: so your software is the broken :P [22:34] JontheEchidna: are they in the messages.sh? [22:34] http://pastebin.com/QSpHYZRQ [22:35] *any* messages.sh actually [22:35] muon-updater muon-notifier and muon-installer aren't included in the tarball [22:35] only libmuon.po and muon.po [22:36] maybe the regex falls over [22:37] line.match(/[^\/]*\.pot/).to_a.each do |match| [22:37] pos << match.sub(".pot",".po") [22:37] end [22:37] * apachelogger does not see how that would fail [22:37] JontheEchidna: you should be switching to releaseme though [22:38] I pushed some fixy fix for the regex some time ago [22:38] kk [22:38] https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/sdk/releaseme/repository/revisions/6c68a3ee7d4b50f999465c0f5d2391dd951a7935 [22:38] should be more robust [22:39] ulysses: that solves your missing l10n with muon-installer [22:39] JontheEchidna: \o/ [22:40] I plan on doing an RC release this weekend [22:43] hey JontheEchidna! [22:43] smarter: hi [22:44] RC release of what version? Haven't followed muon for quiet a bit now :p [22:45] smarter: 1.1 [22:45] do you plan to break the API after the release? [22:46] I've not decided yet [22:47] have any suggestions on what should change? (I've marked some changes I want to make in the header files with //TODO: QApt2) [22:48] nop, I just remember there was one signal I wanted to change the name of but couldn't due to the freeze :p [22:48] by the way, I tried using DpkgPM and the various stuff in the deb/ subdirectory of libapt-pkg to make a dpkg interface, but either I'm dumb or that stuff is completely useless [22:48] that stuff is really hard to use [22:49] you tried too? :p [22:49] nope, I'm using some apt abstraction that libapt-pkg gives us [22:49] to install a package you need to pass both a file path and a PkgIterator, except there's no way to create a PkgIterator from scratch [22:49] I think Adept uses DpkgPM though [22:49] hardcore [22:50] you can install deb files with Adept? [22:50] hmm, I don't think so [22:50] Adept still exists?:o [22:51] yeah, I don't think adept can install .deb files, but that didn't stop mornfall from subclassing DpkgPM anyways :P [22:51] no wonder he got frustrated and stopped working on it :p [22:51] my plan for .deb installation support is to reverse-engineer how gdebi does it [22:52] sort've translate the python-apt stuff back to c++ [22:52] I guess they use python-apt that just os.system(dpkg) ? [22:52] ah, exec("dpkg") then :p [22:52] dunno. I never got past looking up how to extract metainfo from the package [22:53] synaptic has a way to add .debs to the apt package system as a candidate that can be installed though [22:53] ah interesting, didn't look into that [22:53] RPackageLister::addArchiveToCache() [22:54] then presumably you can mark it for install/removal with the .deb being the candidate [22:55] it's the second half of the "generate a script to download packages from another computer" and "install the downloaded packages with synaptic" feature [22:56] apachelogger: releaseme did the trick, thx [22:56] releaseme is already better than the old plunder [22:57] yet it is the old plunder [22:57] this is very strange [22:57] it is magic of some sort I am sure :D [22:57] 24 our 2 and a half second to new year! === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu Hogmanay! Even more friendly next year | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Please test KDE in lucid-proposed LP: #691068 [23:00] ulysses: fix your clock :p [23:01] smarter: oh, it's only 223 hour 58 minutes and 45 seconds! [23:01] 23* [23:03] still 3 seconds early :p [23:03] well, Earth doesn't care the 24 hour, there are some extra seconds:P [23:10] anyway, good night [23:15] [muon] jmthomas * 1210359 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (3 files in 3 dirs) Clean up link targets now that we aren't statically linking libraries [23:16] JontheEchidna: my dear friend [23:16] you need an icon [23:16] your application now looks like a mimetype [23:16] ...faulty software... :P [23:16] apachelogger: sorta fixed in trunk. (it's using the old icon) [23:16] aha [23:17] you remember my mantra on workarounds, right? :P [23:17] * apachelogger tries to unbrick his maemo chroot -.- [23:17] oh, but I did miss replacing once instance of "application-x-deb" with "muon" [23:18] * apachelogger notes that we need to do similar junk for apturl [23:18] probably gdebi-kde too [23:19] that thing is still not dead?!?!? [23:19] [muon] jmthomas * 1210360 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/main.cpp Remove this now that we are using an icon with our name [23:19] JontheEchidna: I thought you set out to kill it dead? [23:19] or was it kpk? [23:19] * apachelogger fails to see our longterm plan here [23:19] install-package was what I killed [23:20] oic [23:20] oh [23:20] longterm plan -> get rid of pyth0rn and replace it with java [23:20] <3 java [23:20] any objections? [23:20] ok, then it is settled [23:20] * apachelogger writes blog post to announce that [23:21] we could call it JDE [23:21] !info jde [23:21] jde (source: jde): JDEE, Java Development Environment for Emacs(en). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.3.5.1-5 (maverick), package size 1540 kB, installed size 3804 kB [23:21] already taken [23:21] emacs! [23:22] [23:22]

On 2010-12-10 20:03z (20 days 2 hours 53 minutes ago), you uploaded a

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"kde4libs" in Launchpad.

[23:22] silly kmail [23:22] that is obnoxious [23:22] any objections to tier 2 target: remove emacs from archives? [23:22] no? perfect, then that I will announce too [23:22] 2011 is going to rox [23:22] no pyth0rn and no emacs [23:23] it shall be heaven [23:23] http://www.karakas-online.de/myLinuxTips/images/viman.png [23:23] * apachelogger is aroused now [23:23] we will rewrite OSX in java with no pyth0rn nor emacs? [23:23] no no no [23:23] that is tier 1 target [23:23] Kubuntu2 [23:23] with darwin as base [23:24] and CoreAudio [23:24] to pwn all them silly linux distributions and their broken multimedia stack === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu Even more friendly next year - soon also on your coffee machine | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Please test KDE in lucid-proposed LP: #691068 [23:25] imagine that [23:25] Kubuntu coffee [23:26] you could go to the facebook while making coffee [23:26] with android you could even wath pr0n, as steve explained to us earlier this year [23:26] shadeslayer: are you in next year already? [23:35] apachelogger: he's only 5.5 hours ahead, he's not a time machine :) [23:36] Riddell: you just destroyed a perfect scheme of annoying shadeslayer with assumptions about india [23:37] Riddell: for that I shall uberhug you at fosdem [23:37] http://www.wikihow.com/Hug [23:38] they have articles on just about everything it would seem [23:38] come to conf.KDE.in then we can be in the future! [23:38] if someone pays [23:39] Nightrose: no linuxtag organisation page thingy yet? [23:40] actually, if I attended conf.kde.in I could just as well not do anything next semester as I would be travelling every month ^^ [23:42] my 2011 wallchart is getting scarily full already [23:44] * apachelogger is so poor from all the travelling he does not even have a wallchart... :/