[02:18] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1210224 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/MuonStrings.cpp SVN_SILENT: I rewrote this class completely, so relicense it
[02:32] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1210230 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (2 files in 2 dirs) While the Categorized view technically wasn't asking QApt to search for searches < 2 chars, it was showing the results view. For consistency, don't do that.
[12:49] <mika__> hi, is there anyone who has installed kdepim 4.6? the migration tool seem not working :(
[12:54] <Riddell> yes but I havn't tried or looked at the migration tool
[12:55] <Riddell> I don't even know if it's packaged
[12:55] <Riddell> although it should be if it gets compiled by default
[12:57] <mika__> Riddell: it's packaged (installed prom aptitude), it seems working (it migrate the mails), but it keep asking the pwd telling that what i write is wrong... and i'm sure that it's correct... this for all the accounts, not just one
[12:57] <mika__> both pop3 and imap
[13:03] <Riddell> mika__: I'm afraid I don't know then, it's probably an upstream issue, I would try setting up new accounts and seeing if it works with new users etc then asking in #kontact
[13:03] <mika__> ok..
[13:18] <Quintasan> \o
[16:38] <EagleScreen> hi friends
[16:39] <EagleScreen> I plan to package the KDE4 version of KDE Debugger for natty (I think I still have time)
[16:39] <EagleScreen> the current version in Kubuntu is KDE3, so the build way changes a lot
[16:41] <EagleScreen> I dont know if package it from scratch and keep the old changelog, or just try the procedure of updating the upstream tarball and make a completely new debian/rules
[16:56] <EagleScreen> do you think any of this patch is still necessary? http://patches.ubuntu.com/k/kdbg/
[17:01] <Riddell> EagleScreen: I would be tempted to package from scratch
[17:01] <EagleScreen> I will do it and will keep the Ubuntu changelog of previous versions
[17:01] <Riddell> yes
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> bah, if I had a usb camera I could complete the Qt3support removal from kamera
[17:40] <EagleScreen> does KDE4 apps build-dep in autotools-dev?
[17:40] <JontheEchidna> nope
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> For build-depends I would personally start out with these and add more as needed:
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> debhelper (>= 7.3.16), pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.5.0), cmake,
[17:41] <JontheEchidna>  kdelibs5-dev
[17:41] <EagleScreen> build-dep on quilt is only reuqired when quilt patches exist, true?
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> right
[17:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I am sure there would be people to test ;)
[17:42] <apachelogger> mhhh, qtcreator with snippets <3
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: at least kamera doesn't link against kde3support anymore :)
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> which decreases its RAM usage by 0.2 MB (3%)
[17:48] <yofel> EagleScreen: you don't need to build-dep on quilt if you use dpkg source format '3.0 (quilt)'
[17:49] <EagleScreen> i have cameras
[17:49] <EagleScreen> yofel: how do I be sure i am in 3.0 format?
[17:50] <yofel> EagleScreen: put '3.0 (quilt)' into debian/source/format
[17:50] <EagleScreen> it already is there
[17:51] <yofel> EagleScreen: good, see http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0 too
[17:51] <EagleScreen> maintainer for kddbg should be Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com> ??
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> ^yup
[17:52] <yofel> shouldn't it be Kubuntu Developers JontheEchidna?
[17:52] <EagleScreen> is there some packages which have Kubuntu developpers or is it my imagination?
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> yofel: that's generally used for KDE packages in main
[17:52] <EagleScreen> is kdbg in main?
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> nope, it is in universe
[17:52] <yofel> ah
[17:52] <EagleScreen> ok
[17:52] <EagleScreen> so i keep Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
[17:53] <JontheEchidna> yeah. Before it probably would have said "Ubuntu MOTU Developers" but it got changed to "Ubuntu Developers" when the new archive permissions scheme was introduced
[17:54] <EagleScreen> ok
[17:54] <EagleScreen> and wjat aboutXSBC-Original-Maintainer ?
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> EagleScreen: that would be you, since you're making the new packaging
[17:54] <EagleScreen> keep the Debian one? (ana guerrero)?
[17:55] <EagleScreen> oh then, me?
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> well, it probably doesn't matter too much either way.
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> there are two maintainer fields so that the debian maintainers don't get bugged about packages with changes made by Ubuntu
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> so whenever we change a package that comes from Debian we add the XSBC-Original-Maintainer field and set that to the original author of the packaging
[17:57] <EagleScreen> yes, I think, it should be me
[17:57] <EagleScreen> Ana wont care about this package done by me
[18:01] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna, EagleScreen: use script 'update-maintainer'
[18:01] <EagleScreen> ari-tczew: in which package it is?
[18:01] <ari-tczew> EagleScreen: ubuntu-dev-tools
[18:02] <EagleScreen> ari-tczew: I havent it now since I ma doing this work in a Debian box
[18:02] <EagleScreen> oh yes, it is packages in Debian!
[18:09] <ari-tczew> ;]
[18:22] <sheytan> apachelogger Hey Harald :D
[18:23] <apachelogger> sheytan!
[18:23] <apachelogger> hooray
[18:23] <sheytan> no one ever were so happy to see me :D
[18:24]  * apachelogger is always
[18:24] <sheytan> glad :D
[18:24] <sheytan> what's the deal?
[18:24] <apachelogger> sheytan: so, we started work on VLC for phones and whatnot (n900, e8, s60...) and I was wondering if you could come up with a UI for those sort of devices
[18:25] <sheytan> apachelogger: well, never saw thier UIs. If you could provide some screenshots that would be nice :)
[18:25] <apachelogger> sheytan: there no UI yet ;)
[18:25] <apachelogger> well
[18:25] <apachelogger> oh
[18:25] <apachelogger> sheytan: you mean of the phones?
[18:26] <sheytan> yep
[18:26] <sheytan> you know, we need integration :)
[18:26] <apachelogger> that is a theme aspect IMHO ;)
[18:27] <apachelogger> pff
[18:27] <sheytan> yes, but lots of ppl will use default :P
[18:27] <apachelogger> jolly hard to find a ui these days
[18:27] <sheytan> I'll come out with some cool fancy stuff :D
[18:27] <apachelogger> sheytan: I mean the default Qt styles on the devices can do a lot of integration already
[18:27] <sheytan> didn't gimp for lots of time, so my batteries are fully loaded :D
[18:28] <sheytan> apachelogger and stuff like icons will be yours or phone default?
[18:28] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRVpYdorpi8
[18:29] <apachelogger> icons at least on maemo can come from the system
[18:29] <apachelogger> however they do not need to
[18:29] <apachelogger> not sure about the other thingies since they run symbian
[18:29] <sheytan> well, let me start some base drawings :)
[18:30] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3fDnv064NU
[18:31] <sheytan> what's the default display res for n900?
[18:31] <apachelogger> 800x480
[18:31] <sheytan> ok, let me do some shapes :D
[18:31] <apachelogger> n8 is 360x640 if I am not mistaken
[18:32] <apachelogger> (note that there could be different UIs for n900 and n8, since they run different operating systems, so we can easily completely or slightly different uis)
[18:33] <sheytan> sure, first n900
[18:33] <apachelogger> yeah
[18:33]  * apachelogger only got that to work with for now anyway ^^
[18:34] <apachelogger> sheytan: also, about the video player... we found one approach that should make transparency working, however blur would be a bit tricky (possibly we could use KWin for that, like Plasma)
[18:34] <apachelogger> at any rate QML will be difficult because of major performance drawbacks
[18:34] <apachelogger> another option that might be possible is only have the controls in QML...
[18:35] <apachelogger> I'll do some testing with that stuff and see how it goes
[18:35] <sheytan> kwin <3!
[18:35] <mgraesslin> please don't blur behind videos - you'll kill kwin
[18:35] <sheytan> can you mix qml with kwin and plasma, right?
[18:35] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: any other suggestions?
[18:35] <apachelogger> sheytan: no plasma in the mix
[18:36] <apachelogger> generally you can mix anything
[18:36] <mgraesslin> we first need strong optimizations in kwin for that
[18:36] <sheytan> well, the blur behind controllers container isn't needed that much 
[18:36] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: sheytan insists on a blur for a player control widget, which makes sense really
[18:36] <apachelogger> lol
[18:36] <mgraesslin> in general translucency and often changing content is a *bad* idea
[18:36] <apachelogger> sheytan: last time you went like "omgz we need this totally" :P
[18:36] <mgraesslin> kwin is completely optimized for opaque windows
[18:37] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: ack, but apple can do it ;)
[18:37] <mgraesslin> give me more developers and we can have it in 4.7
[18:37] <sheytan> brb
[18:37] <apachelogger> hm
[18:37]  * apachelogger orders an opengl book
[18:37] <mgraesslin> you don't need opengl to improve that
[18:38] <apachelogger> oh
[18:38] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: what does one need?
[18:39] <mgraesslin> we need to cache the background on blur, so that repaints don't require reblur
[18:39] <mgraesslin> we need to don't blur behind blurred areas
[18:40] <mgraesslin> we need to split windows in translucent and opaque parts and use different rendering strategies for it
[18:47] <apachelogger> this sounds all incredibly scary TBH :)
[18:49] <EagleScreen> please take a look at this kdbg build failure http://pastebin.ca/2034426
[18:50] <EagleScreen> I might forgot pkg-kde-tools in build-dep?
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> EagleScreen: is pkg-kde-tools installed?
[18:51] <EagleScreen> needs it to be in build-dep?
[18:51] <EagleScreen> the build was tried in Launchpad PPA for natty
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> EagleScreen: yes
[18:52] <EagleScreen> then it is the problem
[18:54] <mgraesslin> it is not as scary as it might sound
[18:55] <mgraesslin> multimedia is also very scary
[18:55] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey5Z8PX1LbI about mid way through you can see the builtin n900 media player
[18:56]  * apachelogger broke his plasma :S
[18:58] <Quintasan> apachelogger: well ubuntu kernel team broke my kernel
[18:58] <Quintasan> 25 hangs today
[18:59] <apachelogger> nothing new there
[18:59]  * apachelogger wonders when he will get a n900 kernel actually ^^
[18:59] <Quintasan> NEVAR
[18:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: pingy pingy
[19:00] <Nightrose> apachelogger: pong
[19:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: is there any page stuff about fosdem? accomodation and whatnot...
[19:00] <Nightrose> yes on community.kde.org
[19:00] <apachelogger> thx
[19:00] <Nightrose> yw
[19:00] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: IMO the most scary thing is kdebindings
[19:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: will you be there? 
[19:01] <apachelogger> ah
[19:01] <apachelogger> there it is
[19:01] <apachelogger> hihi
[19:01] <apachelogger> Nightrose: yus
[19:01] <Nightrose> \o/
[19:01] <Quintasan> They NEVER build when I try.
[19:01] <Nightrose> *bounce*
[19:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: you need to give a fluffy talk!
[19:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: talk to bcoppens asap
[19:01] <Nightrose> like you _really_ need to
[19:01]  * apachelogger absolutely forgot about the xdesktop submission thing
[19:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: why is that?
[19:02] <Nightrose> because :P
[19:02] <apachelogger> I see
[19:02] <apachelogger> well then I shall do so
[19:02] <apachelogger> once I have found bcoppens
[19:02] <Nightrose> yay
[19:02] <Nightrose> or email to the list
[19:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what list?
[19:02] <Nightrose> crossdesktop at something fosdem
[19:02] <Nightrose> check fosdem main page
[19:02] <apachelogger> ah
[19:02] <apachelogger> gmail will know too
[19:03] <Quintasan> I read that as "crossdress at something at fosedm"
[19:03] <Quintasan> Nightrose: ^
[19:03] <Nightrose> -.-
[19:03]  * Nightrose goes back to thesis writing
[19:03] <apachelogger> oh dear
[19:03] <apachelogger> that sounds like fun
[19:03] <Quintasan> lol
[19:03] <apachelogger> are we crossdressing at fosdem?
[19:04] <Quintasan> apachelogger: want some python bugs for dessert?
[19:05] <apachelogger> Nightrose: if I take a mac user with me, will he have to demo KDE on mac?
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/kDTte.jpg
[19:05] <Nightrose> yus
[19:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I had a lot of phonons
[19:06] <apachelogger> cant eat another bite
[19:07] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Y U DO DIS TO ME MINDZ?
[19:08] <JontheEchidna> coolface.jpg
[19:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: updated
[19:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that is an interesting pix
[19:09] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i think claudia is done with booking accomodation and on vacation until 3rd
[19:09] <Nightrose> best ping her on 3rd
[19:09] <apachelogger> oki
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: philosoraptor ftw
[19:09] <apachelogger> :D :D :D
[19:10] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/yrcoj.png
[19:12] <Quintasan> >VLC mediaplayer
[19:12] <Quintasan> OH GOD PLEASE NO
[19:13] <apachelogger> muahahahahaha :D :D:D :D
[19:25] <EagleScreen> should I upload new kdbg package to REVU?
[19:25] <EagleScreen> or only to PPA?
[19:32] <ari-tczew> EagleScreen: if you want your package reviewed, REVU
[19:33] <EagleScreen> lintia reports somehting, so I'd like some review
[19:44] <EagleScreen> is it a problem is a package has an uubntu revision greather than 1? 2.5ubuntu3 for isntance
[19:45] <sheytan> apachelogger almost done :)
[19:46] <apachelogger> yay
[19:46] <apachelogger> EagleScreen: depends on the situation
[19:46] <apachelogger> generally no, the point of a revision is that it can be incremented ;)
[19:46] <EagleScreen> I mean apackage in REVU
[19:46] <apachelogger> no
[19:47] <apachelogger> one can also review packages that are only updates ;)
[19:47] <apachelogger> s/updates/changes
[19:52] <apachelogger> ticket for to brussels secured
[19:54] <EagleScreen> someone can review my kdbg (KDE4) package in REVU? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kdbg
[20:10] <apachelogger> EagleScreen: there is *a lot* more difference than the changelog suggest
[20:10] <apachelogger> s
[20:10] <apachelogger> is that a completely new version?
[20:11] <apachelogger> oh 
[20:12] <apachelogger> nvm
[20:12] <apachelogger> or maybe mind
[20:12] <apachelogger> or maybe do
[20:12] <apachelogger> EagleScreen: ubuntu2 and ubuntu1 need to be merged
[20:12] <EagleScreen> there a kde3 version in the archive
[20:12] <apachelogger> there was no ubuntu1 in natty
[20:13] <apachelogger> so from an ubuntu POV your changes are still ubuntu1
[20:13] <apachelogger> (also, are you sure we want a git snapshot in natty?)
[20:13] <EagleScreen> yes apachelogger it is at the end of the development cycle, it is very usable yet
[20:18] <EagleScreen> apachelogger: I think we will have a final 2.5 release before natty is released
[20:18] <apachelogger> EagleScreen: please mail upstream and make sure that is actually the case :)
[20:18] <EagleScreen> okay, I will do it
[20:18] <sheytan> apachelogger http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/78/basez.jpg
[20:18] <apachelogger> you could also sort of urge them to release in timely manner for natty ;)
[20:18] <sheytan> lets say it's ok, but not perffect
[20:19] <apachelogger> sheytan: can you join #videolan
[20:25] <EagleScreen> can be a package removed from REVU?
[20:26] <EagleScreen> how will now upload an ubuntu1 revision if already there is an ubuntu2 ?
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> EagleScreen: you can reupload the same version to revu
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> as many times as you want
[20:28] <EagleScreen> but an older version?
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I've never tried that
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> it might work though
[20:31] <EagleScreen> ok, the most important failure in my package now, is that it does not install kdbg binary properly, as you can see, it is not installing the binaries in /usr/bin, for instance: http://img259.imageshack.us/i/plasmadesktopmt2091.jpg/
[20:31] <EagleScreen> upstream make install install it well
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> EagleScreen: since you have two binary packages you need a kdbg.install file in the debian directory with a list of all files that should be in the package
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> oh, also kdbg-dbg should be arch: any not arch: all
[20:33] <EagleScreen> JontheEchidna: it is not necessary a kdbg-dbg.install?
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> EagleScreen: nope, the dbg package stuff in debian/rules takes care of that
[20:34] <EagleScreen> ok
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> you can do usr/* and that will get all of the files most likely
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> I'll be writing up a full review of the current package and putting it on revu
[20:56] <EagleScreen> to know the packages to be installed, I think in to look at "make install" output
[20:57] <EagleScreen> for it, i am doing a new compilation of the upstream code
[20:58] <EagleScreen> and now, cmake, does not run: http://pastebin.ca/2034531
[20:58] <EagleScreen> anyone know somehting aobut this arror?
[20:59] <EagleScreen> will it be buildable in KDE 4.4?
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> you should probably ask upstream about that
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> Once virtuosoconverter dies we're free to remove the kdelibs5 transitional package from kde4libs
[21:26] <Quintasan> oh yeah
[21:26] <Quintasan> project-neon-amarok GO GO GO
[22:06] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1210352 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (16 files in 7 dirs) Use a proper shared, private library for libmuon instead of a static library
[22:09] <sheytan> hey
[22:09] <sheytan> anyone with a ati card here?
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ping
[22:33] <apachelogger> pong
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: how does the bzr version of the release_script figure out what .po's to grab?
[22:33]  * apachelogger needs to catch his breath after reading the most sentence of his life
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> I think you accidentally a word there^
[22:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it eats the Messages.sh files
[22:34] <apachelogger> *the most awesome sentence
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it doesn't seem to be picking up two of my .po's
[22:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so your software is the broken :P
[22:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are they in the messages.sh?
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> http://pastebin.com/QSpHYZRQ
[22:35] <apachelogger> *any* messages.sh actually
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> muon-updater muon-notifier and muon-installer aren't included in the tarball
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> only libmuon.po and muon.po
[22:36] <apachelogger> maybe the regex falls over
[22:37] <apachelogger>                 line.match(/[^\/]*\.pot/).to_a.each do |match|
[22:37] <apachelogger>                     pos << match.sub(".pot",".po")
[22:37] <apachelogger>                 end
[22:37]  * apachelogger does not see how that would fail
[22:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you should be switching to releaseme though
[22:38] <apachelogger> I pushed some fixy fix for the regex some time ago
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> kk
[22:38] <apachelogger> https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/sdk/releaseme/repository/revisions/6c68a3ee7d4b50f999465c0f5d2391dd951a7935
[22:38] <apachelogger> should be more robust
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: that solves your missing l10n with muon-installer
[22:39] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: \o/
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> I plan on doing an RC release this weekend
[22:43] <smarter> hey JontheEchidna!
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> smarter: hi
[22:44] <smarter> RC release of what version? Haven't followed muon for quiet a bit now :p
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> smarter: 1.1
[22:45] <smarter> do you plan to break the API after the release?
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> I've not decided yet
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> have any suggestions on what should change? (I've marked some changes I want to make in the header files with //TODO: QApt2)
[22:48] <smarter> nop, I just remember there was one signal I wanted to change the name of but couldn't due to the freeze :p
[22:48] <smarter> by the way, I tried using DpkgPM and the various stuff in the deb/ subdirectory of libapt-pkg to make a dpkg interface, but either I'm dumb or that stuff is completely useless
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> that stuff is really hard to use
[22:49] <smarter> you tried too? :p
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> nope, I'm using some apt abstraction that libapt-pkg gives us
[22:49] <smarter> to install a package you need to pass both a file path and a PkgIterator, except there's no way to create a PkgIterator from scratch
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> I think Adept uses DpkgPM though
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> hardcore
[22:50] <smarter> you can install deb files with Adept?
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I don't think so
[22:50] <ulysses> Adept still exists?:o
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I don't think adept can install .deb files, but that didn't stop mornfall from subclassing DpkgPM anyways :P
[22:51] <smarter> no wonder he got frustrated and stopped working on it :p
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> my plan for .deb installation support is to reverse-engineer how gdebi does it
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> sort've translate the python-apt stuff back to c++
[22:52] <smarter> I guess they use python-apt that just os.system(dpkg) ?
[22:52] <smarter> ah, exec("dpkg") then :p
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> dunno. I never got past looking up how to extract metainfo from the package
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> synaptic has a way to add .debs to the apt package system as a candidate that can be installed though
[22:53] <smarter> ah interesting, didn't look into that
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> RPackageLister::addArchiveToCache()
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> then presumably you can mark it for install/removal with the .deb being the candidate
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> it's the second half of the "generate a script to download packages from another computer" and "install the downloaded packages with synaptic" feature
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: releaseme did the trick, thx
[22:56] <apachelogger> releaseme is already better than the old plunder
[22:57] <apachelogger> yet it is the old plunder
[22:57] <apachelogger> this is very strange
[22:57] <apachelogger> it is magic of some sort I am sure :D
[22:57] <ulysses> 24 our 2 and a half second to new year!
[23:00] <smarter> ulysses: fix your clock :p
[23:01] <ulysses> smarter: oh, it's only 223 hour 58 minutes and 45 seconds!
[23:01] <ulysses> 23*
[23:03] <smarter> still 3 seconds early :p
[23:03] <ulysses> well, Earth doesn't care the 24 hour, there are some extra seconds:P
[23:10] <ulysses> anyway, good night
[23:15] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1210359 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (3 files in 3 dirs) Clean up link targets now that we aren't statically linking libraries
[23:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: my dear friend
[23:16] <apachelogger> you need an icon
[23:16] <apachelogger> your application now looks like a mimetype
[23:16] <apachelogger> ...faulty software... :P
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sorta fixed in trunk. (it's using the old icon)
[23:16] <apachelogger> aha
[23:17] <apachelogger> you remember my mantra on workarounds, right? :P
[23:17]  * apachelogger tries to unbrick his maemo chroot -.-
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> oh, but I did miss replacing once instance of "application-x-deb" with "muon"
[23:18]  * apachelogger notes that we need to do similar junk for apturl
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> probably gdebi-kde too
[23:19] <apachelogger> that thing is still not dead?!?!?
[23:19] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1210360 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/main.cpp Remove this now that we are using an icon with our name
[23:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I thought you set out to kill it dead?
[23:19] <apachelogger> or was it kpk?
[23:19]  * apachelogger fails to see our longterm plan here
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> install-package was what I killed
[23:20] <apachelogger> oic
[23:20] <apachelogger> oh
[23:20] <apachelogger> longterm plan -> get rid of pyth0rn and replace it with java
[23:20] <apachelogger> <3 java
[23:20] <apachelogger> any objections?
[23:20] <apachelogger> ok, then it is settled
[23:20]  * apachelogger writes blog post to announce that
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> we could call it JDE
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> !info jde
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> already taken
[23:21] <apachelogger> emacs!
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
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[23:22] <JontheEchidna> silly kmail
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> that is obnoxious
[23:22] <apachelogger> any objections to tier 2 target: remove emacs from archives?
[23:22] <apachelogger> no? perfect, then that I will announce too
[23:22] <apachelogger> 2011 is going to rox
[23:22] <apachelogger> no pyth0rn and no emacs
[23:23] <apachelogger> it shall be heaven
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> http://www.karakas-online.de/myLinuxTips/images/viman.png
[23:23]  * apachelogger is aroused now
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> we will rewrite OSX in java with no pyth0rn nor emacs?
[23:23] <apachelogger> no no no
[23:23] <apachelogger> that is tier 1 target
[23:23] <apachelogger> Kubuntu2
[23:23] <apachelogger> with darwin as base
[23:24] <apachelogger> and CoreAudio 
[23:24] <apachelogger> to pwn all them silly linux distributions and their broken multimedia stack
[23:25] <apachelogger> imagine that
[23:25] <apachelogger> Kubuntu coffee
[23:26] <apachelogger> you could go to the facebook while making coffee
[23:26] <apachelogger> with android you could even wath pr0n, as steve explained to us earlier this year
[23:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you in next year already?
[23:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: he's only 5.5 hours ahead, he's not a time machine :)
[23:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: you just destroyed a perfect scheme of annoying shadeslayer with assumptions about india
[23:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: for that I shall uberhug you at fosdem
[23:37] <apachelogger> http://www.wikihow.com/Hug
[23:38] <apachelogger> they have articles on just about everything it would seem
[23:38] <Riddell> come to conf.KDE.in then we can be in the future!
[23:38] <apachelogger> if someone pays
[23:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: no linuxtag organisation page thingy yet?
[23:40] <apachelogger> actually, if I attended conf.kde.in I could just as well not do anything next semester as I would be travelling every month ^^
[23:42] <Riddell> my 2011 wallchart is getting scarily full already
[23:44]  * apachelogger is so poor from all the travelling he does not even have a wallchart... :/