[00:56] <penguin42> yeuch, bug 693880 is nasty
[01:37] <alex_mayorga> what does this mean? update-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/acpi-support missing LSB information
[01:46] <Volkodav> These evil flash people have no 64 bit version again in beta 1 huh ?
[02:24] <alex_mayorga> how to turn bug 675035 into a natty one?
[02:26] <rww> just change the bug title, I guess. I don't see anything else version-specific in there.
[02:29] <alex_mayorga> rww: done, is there a natty tag?
[02:32] <rww> alex_mayorga: Yes. I don't know the use case, though.
[02:37] <alex_mayorga> rww: thanks anyway
[02:43] <alex_mayorga> can I get some extra eyes into http://launchpadlibrarian.net/61400206/29122010066.jpg
[02:47] <alex_mayorga> this happens every time I disconnect the AC adapter from my laptop
[08:11] <aditya>  whenever I try to install any package in ubuntu 11.04 natty ..i get an programming error in aptdaemon?bcoz of this i am unable to install my wireless package?
[08:11] <aditya> and broadcoam wireless driver is not working properly
[08:11] <aditya> any help
[08:17] <aditya_>  whenever I try to install any package in ubuntu 11.04 natty ..i get an programming error in aptdaemon? Alo broadcoam package is not working
[08:18] <aditya_> wiil any help provide on this page
[08:18] <aditya_> ??
[08:22] <royale1223> try #ubuntu
[08:25] <rww> royale1223: 11.04 isn't supported in #ubuntu.
[08:25] <royale1223> aditya_, there are guys who could help
[08:25] <royale1223> rww,  there are guys who could help
[08:26] <rww> royale1223: Doesn't matter. #ubuntu is for released versions of Ubuntu only. If people want to help with natty, they come in here.
[08:26] <aditya_> they told me to join this channel
[08:26] <aditya_> my wirelles driver are not working
[08:27] <royale1223> rww, okie
[08:32] <aditya_> can I get away with Broadcoam Wireless Driver installation(Properiteray drivers) in alpha phase ..Alphase is not allowing me to install any package ?????
[08:46] <yofel> aditya_: can you pastebin the exact error apt gives you?
[08:46] <yofel> I know someone else had broadcom problems already though
[10:50] <sagaci> shouldn't broadcom be lots better in 11.04 and later due to the open sourcing
[12:37]  * penguin42 tries a day on that machine ----> in KDE
[15:10] <penguin42> yofel: Prod
[15:10] <yofel> ?
[15:10] <penguin42> yofel: You're a KDE user aren't you? In konsole can you use alt-E or Alt-F to get to the menus?
[15:11] <yofel> no o.O
[15:12] <penguin42> hmm
[15:12] <penguin42> I guess it's passing the alt through to the terminal; I've not seen any other terminal do that
[15:13] <yofel> can't remember now if that was always the case since I usually use yakuake, would have to check a VM
[15:13] <penguin42> yofel: KDE4 is growing on me; it's taken a few years :-)
[15:13] <yofel> :D
[15:14] <penguin42> yofel: Few things still annoy me, that menu one, and kde bug 181847 - luks partitions for local disks don't snow up
[15:14] <yofel> by the way, make sure you're using gtk2-engines-oxygen - firefox in KDE look :D
[15:15] <penguin42> yeh I might try gtk2-engines-oxygen, although alternate engines have always tended to upset Gnome apps in my experience
[15:16] <penguin42> yofel: I tell you the one that surprises me; in the desktop switcher you don't get previews of the desktop
[15:19] <yofel> which one? I usually set kwin to use compiz style ctrl+alt+arrowkey or use ctrl+f8
[15:20] <penguin42> yeh I'm using ctrl-alt-arrowkeys to pan around
[15:23] <yofel> a bit annoying that they broke the blug effect (blur background behind semi-transparent windows/window borders)
[15:23] <yofel> s/blug/blur/
[17:00]  * penguin42 wonders why ddebs packages get disabled on upgrade
[17:05]  * charlie-tca thinks it is because it is so much fun enabling them again, especially when you forget?
[17:08] <penguin42> charlie-tca: yeh, in kde the crash reporter gives you a button to install the ddebs when generating the backtrace which is all very nice if they're configured
[18:06] <bittin> computer porn: http://shuffling.se/forum/index.php?topic=497.msg24190#msg24190
[18:59] <anon33_> hey yofel, you there?
[20:18] <zleap> hi anyone had an issue creating a usb start up disk, using the 11.04 iso and the start up disk creator in 10.04 ?
[20:18] <zleap> it seemed to make a lubuntu one fine eariler but failed when doing the same with 11.04 iso
[20:20] <nit-wit> zleap, did you make sure the thumb was empty and what format
[20:20] <zleap> i think its the default fat32
[20:21] <zleap> and yeah it was empty,
[20:21] <zleap> it found the disk ok,
[20:22] <nit-wit> zleap, what are the symptoms of not working
[20:23] <penguin42> zleap: is your 10.04 fully upto date with all updates?
[20:23] <zleap> think so
[20:23] <zleap> ok it seems to be working now
[20:24] <zleap> but it just said installation failed after clicking make start up disk earlier in the start up disk creator
[20:26] <zleap> maybe i just hit a glitch somewhere earlier
[20:33] <dereks> is there a channel for unity?
[20:35] <zleap> ah start up disk creator allowed me to select another iso, but didn't make that one default to copy to the disc
[20:38] <zleap> yay now booting natty
[20:39] <nit-wit> zleap, are you planning to install natty
[20:41] <zleap> just having a look
[20:41] <zleap> i got to the try / install ubuntu bit, clicked try and its not doing very much
[20:41] <zleap> the mouse cursor however is a circley thing so its doing something
[20:43] <zleap> ohhh i am in :)
[20:44] <nit-wit> zleap, if you have problems here restart it then hold down the shift key immediately after powering on for the early choice menu.
[20:44] <nit-wit> zleap, yipeee
[20:44] <zleap> ok i am at the desktop
[20:45] <zleap> ok need to click each menu heading to make menu come up, rather than drag mouse across menu bar
[20:46] <nit-wit> zleap, if you decide to install at some point say next to another Ubuntu with Grub2, you may want to make sure the other then Natty has the grub boot under its install, you just reload grub to the mbr in the install.
[20:46] <zleap> ok
[20:46] <zleap> as this is alpha where are the applications ?
[20:47] <nit-wit> zleap, top left corner gnome icon
[20:47] <nit-wit> zleap, a actual final menu is still in the works I believe
[20:47] <zleap> k
[20:49] <zleap> the side bar seems to work in a similar way to win 7
[20:49] <zleap> as in open app and it appears on the side bar
[20:53] <zleap> ok application menus seems to work the same as the old Mac OS
[20:58] <nit-wit> zleap, do you have the thumb set with persistence or is it a cd
[21:00] <zleap> erm
[21:00] <zleap> i am booting from a usb memory stick
[21:00] <zleap> its submitting a bug report atm,
[21:00] <zleap> closed mahjongg and the menu stayed on the task bar, tried to click and it crashed,
[21:00] <zleap> so its submitting a report
[21:01] <nit-wit> zleap, did you set it to have persistence= save changes
[21:01] <zleap> not sure
[21:01] <nit-wit> zleap, did you load it with the disc creartor or unetbootin
[21:01] <nit-wit> *creator
[21:02] <zleap> disc creatir
[21:02] <zleap> creator
[21:02] <nit-wit> zleap how big is the thumb
[21:02] <zleap> 2gb
[21:02] <zleap> its all working now,  i had not chosen the right iso
[21:04] <nit-wit> zleap, there is a persistence check box and a slider so that the stick will remember stuff, I wouldn't do any updates, but if you want to save the setup for your next use, that is what you do, I believe you would have to reload it to get that at this point. Not sure if you want theis just sharing:)
[21:05] <zleap> ok thanks
[21:05] <zleap> ohh firefox 4
[21:05] <zleap> nice
[21:06] <zleap> so will natty have open or libre office in the final version
[21:06] <nit-wit> zleap, I didn't like the Unity desktop but have goten used to it
[21:06] <zleap> yeah
[21:06] <zleap> it will take some
[21:06] <zleap> it may also be in consistant if some apps alter the menu bar and others don't
[21:07] <nit-wit> zleap, probably OO not sure about the situation though
[21:07] <zleap> ok
[21:07] <zleap> e,.g firefox has its own menu bar and keeps it,  however the bar at the top of the screen loses all menus when it de-focuses
[21:08] <zleap> could cause a problem if user is asked to click a menu and it isn't there
[21:09] <nit-wit> zleap, it's still a bit buggy thats why I suggested the grub stuff I have 4 OS on one HD Maverick controls grub
[21:09] <zleap> ah
[21:09] <zleap> well i am fine just booting a beta to have a look at
[21:30] <zleap> chat laterm, thanks for your help everyone
[23:05] <charlie-tca> Is there a list of shortcuts for use with unity/Ubuntu Desktop?
[23:09] <penguin42> I don't think I've seen any documentation at all
[23:09] <charlie-tca> Is there any way to navigate without the mouse?
[23:11] <crimsun> that should be an option available for the X Window System
[23:12] <penguin42> crimsun: Well X will allow you mouse emulation with the keypad, but as for say tabbing around or using function keys or soemthing, that's up to the app
[23:13] <charlie-tca> Doesn't seem to even be a way to move to the top panel, the dock, or any desktop icon without the mouse
[23:13] <guntbert> charlie-tca: <alt> F1
[23:13] <charlie-tca> does what?
[23:14] <charlie-tca> I still did not get it to go anywhere
[23:14] <guntbert> charlie-tca: opens the menu (applications)
[23:15] <charlie-tca> Maybe it is supposed to, but it is not doing so on todays live cd
[23:16] <crimsun> charlie-tca: sorry, I missed part of your question regarding Unity
[23:16] <guntbert> charlie-tca: and for the rest in the help: # Desktop User Guide -- # Basic Skills  --# Keyboard Skills
[23:16] <crimsun> right, mousekeys isn't what you want (I don't think)
[23:16] <charlie-tca> no, I don't want mousekeys, I want shortcuts to use the desktop without a mouse
[23:16] <crimsun> I do find alt+shift+numlk useful, however
[23:16] <penguin42> crimsun: Yeh, but you've got to be pretty desperate!
[23:16] <guntbert> aouw - I missed "unity" too, sorry
[23:17] <crimsun> penguin42: I don't have access to that sort of pointing device on most of the hardware I use
[23:17] <penguin42> crimsun: Oh now you're making me curious - what type of hardware?
[23:18] <crimsun> penguin42: simple displays
[23:18] <charlie-tca> hm, Ctrl+F10 gives the desktop right-click menu
[23:24] <nit-wit> charlie-tca, which menu in the right click
[23:24] <charlie-tca> If you right-click the desktop, you get a menu
[23:25] <charlie-tca> create folder, create launcher, create document...
[23:25] <nit-wit> charlie-tca, I get it the keys make that menu Doh
[23:34] <kklimonda> hmm, any idea how to make virtualbox running on newer kernels?
[23:35] <kklimonda> it's broken with every kernel past 2.6.37-7-generic
[23:36] <kklimonda> virtualbox-ose from repository
[23:36] <yofel> you don't, you install virtualbox 4 instead
[23:37] <penguin42> yofel: the ose in the repo should be made to work, I mean that's why it's there
[23:37] <kklimonda> yofel: that's not really a solution
[23:37] <yofel> penguin42: shouldn't 4 be ready before natty release?
[23:38] <penguin42> yofel: I dunno
[23:40] <charlie-tca> I am using VBox 4.0 here in natty, and it is using 2.6.37-11-generic
[23:40] <charlie-tca> works great
[23:40] <charlie-tca> nvm
[23:40] <charlie-tca> did not read the second sentence on that. sorry
[23:43] <kklimonda> great, I can't unload vboxdrv..
[23:44] <kklimonda> apparently it gets loaded at the boot time and oopses immediately