[05:50] :-) [05:50] Someone just gave me a Pentium III box. I installed Ubuntu on it. [05:51] I should really put BSD on this and Ubuntu on my faster computer. [05:55] My work here is done. :-) [07:42] ood morning [07:42] g* [07:44] \o [08:32] Morning all [08:56] morning everyone [08:57] \o [08:57] \o/ 2 new records just arrived [08:57] well, second-hand, but new to me :) [09:08] i have returned [09:10] * Phineas detects this channel is inactive [09:12] yep inactave and dead [09:43] this channel is dead and not in use right nw [09:45] morning all :) [09:45] long live #ubuntu-uk! [09:48] morning screen-x [09:48] Morning Phineas [09:49] screen-x, just waiting for a dvd and a game to arive in the post [09:49] that you were ordering yesterday.. something to do with garfield [09:51] screen-x, yeah, Garfields Pet Force in 3D (comes with 4 pairs of glasses) [09:52] Phineas: how did you become interested in ubuntu? [09:54] screen-x, the IT guy at my last school told me about it (the school ran on ubuntu) but i was so excited over having ubuntu for the first time i overwited windows and lost my worenty [09:54] A school that runs ubuntu, cool :) [09:54] Which school was that? [09:57] screen-x, well... it wasn't a school, it was a learner centre [10:00] screen-x, in Cambridge [10:02] screen-x, call the red Balloon [10:02] sounds like a coded phrase.. [10:05] screen-x, oops my keyboard is so not sensitive enough [10:11] screen-x, i ment its called the red balloon [10:11] Morning peeps [10:14] morning bigcalm [10:17] What's new in ubuntu land? [10:19] not sure... bit scared of trying natty atm [10:20] I'm tempted to give natty a go on a spare computer I've got [10:21] bigcalm, morning [10:22] Hi [10:22] hows it going [10:22] bigcalm, hows it going [10:22] Busy [10:22] Morning [10:23] bigcalm, how are your pets? [10:23] I don't have any pets [10:23] Hi daubers [10:23] bigcalm, busy? its only thursday [10:24] morning daubers :) [10:24] daubers, morning daubers [10:24] whats changing host mean? [10:25] ? [10:25] lol, im not the only one avoiding natty at the moment then :p [10:25] oly: no :) [10:25] screen-x: I tried using natty for day to day stuff yesterday, but issues where getting in the way [10:26] i am tempted as i want to try the latest gnome-shell and i can not find a ppa for 10.10 thats upto date [10:27] and compiling failed and i am not intrested in trying to find out why :p [10:27] I'm happy with a stable OS [10:27] I think Unity will be aces when it's finished [10:27] Seems a much better idea for wide screen displays and multi-monitors [10:28] * screen-x tries to think of a joke about the sort of operating system that could run on an animal shed, but fails. [10:28] Be a part of the hurd [10:28] i have always had the development releases, but not sure about this unity seems they are taking it on a bit to soon to me and should develop it as a seperate packages until its ready that way people can try if they want [10:29] i know it sucks on the netbook i tried and the older interface worked much better :p [10:29] new unity performs very well [10:30] I think it's a good idea to give people a really tough challenge now and again, and if it's not ready for release then they'll just switch normal gnome back as the default [10:30] easy backup plan [10:31] * bigcalm wants to know where his Kindle is [10:31] * Phineas wants to know where his dvd is [10:31] http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/8758646.Wiltshire_grandfather_spends_three_days_on_motorway/ [10:32] This guy needs a sat nav. [10:32] You think he has my Kindle? [10:32] think my main concern though is wayland, as i understand it we loose the networking of the desktop :/ which for me is one of the biggest strengths [10:32] bigcalm: He might be delivering it [10:32] * Phineas nperry does not know the secret about Phineas [10:32] and has never really been utilised to its full potential [10:32] oh hang on he had a sat nev, bless him.... [10:32] oly: You can run X on Wayland if you want [10:32] or who he realy is [10:32] oly: And that transition is a way off yet [10:33] ah that should help [10:33] daubers: running X on wayland is fine, but it only works one-way [10:33] i always thought with X you should be able to move your apps with your machines [10:34] I wouldn't be able to run a Wayland app across the network on my OpenBSD box [10:34] so if i have a desktop running upstairs and i jump on my laptop would be cool if i could bring that app to my laptop [10:34] you can kind of do this by launching a new instance and forwarding it to your machine but why not just grab the running app :p [10:35] * Phineas nperry does not know the secret about Phineas [10:35] or who he realy is [10:35] that way any device with x could grab the app, [10:36] but i have never found anyone who is working on such a thing and i have hunted :) [10:36] oly: You'd have to move the background process stuff too [10:36] have i said that already? [10:37] why the app could still run on the other device i am only intrested in the display [10:37] * Phineas feels ignored [10:38] thats how it currently works if i ssh to a machine and launch firefox the processing is done on the remote machine and just the display is sent [10:38] oly: like xinerama but with the displays on separate machines [10:38] or like x2x but for apps [10:38] so why is it not possible to redirect the running app [10:39] yeah, it could even add the desktop in with your current desktops or something [10:39] Is there a better way of monitoring rdiff-backup other than watch du -h ? [10:39] that would be neat [10:40] bigcalm: presumably it writes a log file? [10:40] I think so [10:41] could monitor that with $monitoring_system or logwatch or whatever. [10:41] Aloha [10:42] Hey czajkowski *hugs* :) [10:42] * screen-x upgrades rsnapshot server to lucid, not much work going today to miss.. [10:42] morning czajkowski [10:43] czajkowski: how's life in the south east? [10:43] * Phineas feels ignored big time [10:43] screen-x: not back till tomorrow but good all the same [10:43] bigcalm: ello ello *hugs* [10:43] \o/ [10:44] czajkowski: :) [10:44] screen-x: bigcalm GOOD christmas? [10:44] czajkowski: yes thanks, remarkably harmonious! [10:44] Oh yes. Lots of happy family time :) [10:44] How about you? [10:45] czajkowski: I take it you were back in Ireland? [10:45] was good lots of sleeping and eating, what more could I need :p [10:45] screen-x: yes indeed [10:45] * daubers considers popping into M&S for an alarm clock and some slippers [10:45] http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Remote-X-Apps.html [10:45] daubers: ello cake man [10:45] never found that before looks promising :-D [10:46] czajkowski: daubers was biscuit man yesterday - he's widening his skills! [10:46] oh my I shall need to sample some! [10:46] I found the Scotts clan yesterday, need to get the box rehidden [10:49] * screen-x failed to interpret the previous line [10:50] http://jacobfruitfield.com/brands/thumbnails/scots-clan-box.jpg [10:50] looks tasty :) [10:52] addictive [10:54] Anybody having trouble with bytemark servers being slow? [10:57] me [10:58] Then I blame you [10:58] for what [10:59] Them being slow. I just wanted to vent :P [11:00] Wow, this is becoming unseable [11:01] * Phineas continues to make the bytemark servers slow [11:02] Phineas: are you using a bytemark vps to DOS the amazon delivery tracking system? [11:03] screen-x, something like that [11:04] bigcalm: Maybe 4chan are hosted on bytemark & the ddos attack on them is hitting all bytemark servers :) [11:04] Ah crappy :( [11:04] DJones: thanks [11:04] * Phineas does an evil laugh [11:04] Oh, you don't know, just a maybe [11:05] * bigcalm disables pagespeed and restarts apache [11:05] * DJones puts on a tinfoil hat & adds to the conspiracy, bigcalm is the person runningthe 4chan site [11:05] that's hilarous.. the last hop before www.4chan.org is series.of.tubes [11:05] Hehe [11:05] Heh [11:06] Wow, it was pagespeed [11:06] My server is useable again! [11:07] all part of my master plan [11:18] morning all. [11:25] morning brobostigon [11:25] brobostigon, did you check that game out [11:26] Phineas: i have just been too busy, [11:26] Kindle be here :D [11:26] bigcalm, witing for the parcel in the post? [11:28] is this normal sounds for a floppy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qz9a8kYYkA [11:34] yes [11:36] ali1234, good it sounds loud [11:36] anyway be [11:36] bye [11:37] I thought the normal sound for a floppy disk was the bang/clunk as it lands in the bin [11:39] I wish the term floppy had been adopted for usb mass storage devices, I never know what to call them.. [11:39] and 3.5" floppies weren't floppy, so the term would be just as accurate. [11:39] I normally just with "stick" [11:40] screen-x: Thats like the "removable" hard drive on the ancient ICL I used as a student, they were removable as long as you had two people & a small crane to lift them [11:41] :) [11:41] And it had 8" floppy's [11:41] and various ancient "portables" [11:42] Yeah, I can remember using an Osbourne (I think) luggable with a 4" CRT screen [11:43] Something like this http://www.laptopsarena.com/wp-content/uploads/osborne1.jpg [11:46] interesting, [11:46] DJones: what goes in the slots under the floppy drives? [11:47] screen-x: I think it was just storage space [11:48] they should have but helium cells in there ;-) [11:50] screen-x: A bit of a better description/picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_1 [11:52] portable computer, hmm, [11:52] Looking at this pic http://www.laptopsarena.com/wp-content/uploads/osborne1-opened.jpg The floppy drives look like the ones I had with my Apple II's, sort of large brick shaped [11:53] brobostigon: Portable in the same way that a suitcase is portable [11:53] Can't remember if it had wheels on the case, I think it might have done, but I'm not certain [11:53] DJones: yes, that is quite accurate. and a rather large suitcase. [11:56] DJones: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPC_512 is another good example. [11:58] heh, I remember those as well [11:59] DJones: i had one of those when i was young. [12:00] From memory, didn't the screen slide down inside the case & the keyboard connected over the top to make the case up [12:00] yes. [12:01] I like this line from wikipedia "At the time of the PPC640 launch, its price in the UK was so close to standalone 2400 baud modems that it was almost 'buy a modem and get a free luggable PC'. [12:01] hehe [12:01] History repeats itself, buy a mobile broadband dongle & get a free laptop :) [12:01] kinda, yes. [12:01] s/laptop/netbook [12:07] kinda but also not, because broadband dongles cost nothing, you are paying for the contract [12:08] you can get they on payg for literally nothing [12:08] does anyone use the firefox 4 ppa on maverick? [12:15] hey everyone... is there anyone who could help with a simple scripting question? [12:18] Apacheuk: can certainly try [12:19] ok, why doesn't this work http://paste.ubuntu.com/548813/ I get an error ./test.sh: line 2: [foo: command not found [12:20] its about as simple as it gets, and as far as I can tell from other websites it should work as expected === gary_ is now known as Guest25650 [12:24] put a space after [ [12:24] and before ] [12:26] ali1234: cheers, wasn't obvious at first glance on the site I'm using as a reference, but now I can see it.... thanks! [12:49] i have some code files that seem to get detected as plain text - is there any way to fix this cause I use different text editors for code and text? [13:09] anyone wanna buy a 26" hdtv? :p [13:13] hey all ... i know this will be something simple... using ubuntu-vm-builder on maverick 10.10 built and installed from ISO a VE, i used virsh to define /etc/libvir....... start bt01 and it waits and tells me : http://pastebin.com/xCDCX5a4 ?? any ideas have followed docs perfectly @ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/CreateGuests [13:14] podman99: check the permissions on the disk image? [13:16] have done [13:18] screen-x, my bad ... the image was inside /root/ubuntu-kvm ... moved to /opt/ve and worked [13:18] podman99: :) [13:54] Thank goodness for androids usb tethering option for the data connection. [13:54] My phoneline went down last night at 8pm and bt say theyll fix it by the 5th, that's a loooonnnnggggg time :/ [13:54] kvarley: :( [13:55] screen-x: What was most irritating is that you don't get to speak to a person about it, you just get put through an automated line. I suppose it saves time and money but as far as I know nobody but the computer knows about my line being down. [13:57] kvarley: tethering is handy, but I find it batters the bandwidth caps [13:57] DJones: I haven't got 3g here so it seems to be ok [13:57] ah, ok [13:58] DJones: hehe [15:07] Is there a way in ubuntu to generate the md5 of a file? [15:07] kvarley: md5sum [15:08] screen-x: Thanks, thats very nice that its installed by default too :) [15:08] with its companion sha1sum [15:08] It's a dependancy for a lot of systems [15:13] wheee! [15:13] just woke my hp microserver via etherwake [15:15] gah, more problems with samba again [15:16] does samba access files as though it were the user that was logged in? [15:16] cause all the files belong to one user but multiple users need access to them [15:16] via samba [15:17] popey: I can has Kindle! I lack graze though [15:18] I have the say, the screen is wonderful [15:18] aha, figured it out - made them both the same group [15:19] bigcalm: it looks like there is a printed plastic thing on top of the screen that you have to pull off before you get to the real screen.. [15:19] screen-x: looks like it, yes [15:19] "looks" [15:20] screen-x: I thought that's what it was, but it's the actual screen. Such amazing quality [15:20] I found the browser copes pretty well, unless you want tabs/windows. [15:20] Also annoying that it can play mp3s but can't download them. [15:21] I'm currently reading Dr Dale's Zombie Dictionary: The A-Z Guide to Staying Alive [15:21] A: ask fab what to do. B: blame popey, C: profit? [15:22] We trust Fab? ;) [15:22] no, but the answer might be funny ;-) [15:22] Oo, I have a Kindle too - Very nice, aren't they :) [15:32] bigcalm, now hack your kindle to put the ubuntu font on it! [15:32] gord: I have enough ubuntu devices. Quite enjoy reading books :) [15:33] bigcalm, not ubuntu the software, ubunth the font! [15:33] Oops, I did't read the 'font' bit [15:33] Hehe [15:33] So that's possible? [15:34] bigcalm, it is :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kp9MExGExo [15:34] bigcalm: http://hackaday.com/2009/09/03/ubuntu-9-04-on-kindle-2/ [15:34] gord: cool [15:35] gord: audio compression is a little odd [15:35] screen-x: yeah, I don't really need that, I have a nexus one :) [15:36] bigcalm: nice to know its possible though :) [15:36] screen-x: I guess [15:37] er [15:37] twitter is giving me http 403 [15:37] lovely [15:37] wfm [15:37] how odd that was [15:37] wfm [15:38] 43 days... http://twitter.com/#!/IPv4Countdown [15:39] And are we ready? Oh how silly [15:50] bigcalm, my camera makes a lot of noise, so i had to fun some filters to remove it, thats why things sound strange [16:06] gord: ello :D [16:06] gord: nice rest ? [16:17] czajkowski, i like to think so yes :) [16:18] gord: good to hear [16:22] * Mez attempts not to drool over his phone now he has Gingerbread [16:22] Mez: nexus*? [16:23] 1 [16:23] (Nexus one) [16:23] it does? [16:23] mine does not :( [16:23] Not an official build :) [16:23] ah ok [16:23] * MartijnVdS wants official gbread for n1 [16:23] * AlanBell only just got froyo [16:23] Though am half tempted to still buy a NS [16:23] oh, i don't dare go down that route for my phone, [16:24] I'm pleased that GF's Wildfire now has Fryo [16:24] AlanBell: my Magic has 2.2.1 now [16:24] AlanBell: (unrooted etc.) [16:24] gord, why not? [16:24] * awilkins wonders what Gingerbread on the N900 would be like [16:24] awilkins: strange :D [16:28] Maybe gords phone is owned by his employer [16:28] pwned* [16:28] awilkins: it's not his phone if it is :P [16:29] MartijnVdS: Android doesn't have remote wipe yet. [16:29] Mez: uhr.. it does [16:29] * Mez wonders if the people in the company realise I can wipe their iPhones [16:29] Mez: "security providers" [16:29] MartijnVdS: oh. Sorry - for exchange. I'm thinking GApps [16:29] My mods to employer-owned hardware are limited to surreptitiously upgrading the RAM so it runs 64-bit Linux better [16:30] (specifically the super monster evil Java modules we're using) [16:30] haha java [16:30] 'tis not the Java per-se that's the problem, it's the ultimate craptasticness of the code + the data model [16:32] *sigh* 650,000 lines of Java and counting [16:33] Evening [16:33] \o dauberman [16:33] (or feels like it) [16:33] (are you a dog person? or more of a cat person? :P) [16:33] OOo doesn't cope well with 10MB of CSV data [16:33] evening daubers :) [16:33] daubers: Ooo doesn't cope well period. [16:33] daubers: OOo doesn't cope well. [16:34] ^5 Mez [16:34] * Mez hi-fives MartijnVdS [16:34] o_O [16:34] Spooky. [16:34] Mez: It's alright! Copes just as well as MS Office IME [16:34] Mez: gmta [16:34] * awilkins rolls with awk, sed, cut, etc for 10MB of CSV data [16:34] MartijnVdS: what's your excuse then ? :P [16:34] Mez: ... [16:35] * Mez whistles innocently [16:35] awilkins: :| [16:35] awilkins: I'm trying to get it to graph it :) [16:35] gnuplot! [16:35] awilkins: that's my line [16:35] awilkins: Would use gnuplot, but remember doing times in it was a pita [16:36] gnuplot needs a nice UI [16:36] Also considered using matplotlib [16:36] daubers: you can specify date/time formats in gnuplot to match your data. [16:38] * daubers kills OOo and installs gnuplot [16:38] see if I can remember how to do this [16:40] PHP & GD! [16:40] Or ImageMagick [16:40] gnuplot is phat [16:41] also, graphviz :) [16:42] Gnuplot is also struggling a bit... [16:42] daubers: More RAM to the rescue [16:43] MartijnVdS: Need moar GHz by the look of the activity monitor [16:54] Hmmm... stupif gnuplot [16:54] ? [16:55] Right, this matches yes? set timefmt "%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S" and "2010-12-30 16:25:54" [16:55] %FT%T%z FTW [16:57] perl -MPOSIX -e 'print strftime("%FT%T%z\n", localtime)'; [16:57] daubers: looks right [16:57] Right, it gives me a graph with 2010.01 and so on, and everything wedged near january when all the data is in december [17:00] daubers: google charts ftw! [17:01] Right, lets see if this does any better [17:01] Forgot set xdata time [17:01] * awilkins needs a big stiff drink [17:02] http://fishms.homelinux.com/power.html [17:03] danfish: interesting how little temp difference there is between the garden and the greenhouse [17:03] That's very swish [17:04] * MartijnVdS whispers something like "rrdtool"? [17:04] MartijnVdS: rrdtool is for wimps [17:05] screen-x: the 'greenhouse' is actually just a load of timber, covered in some (now mostly) ripped polytunnel material [17:05] daubers: there's an orange sphere above your house [17:05] MartijnVdS: rrdtool is a bit scary for data horders [17:05] screen-x: it is [17:07] MartijnVdS: that's just the local UFO - don't worry, the tinfoil stops them reading my thoughts :P [17:08] danfish, what are you using to output those graphs out of interest ? [17:09] oly: it's a but messy, but basically a combination of javascript, googlecharts and some python cgi stuff [17:10] aha, would not mind stealing the code for that :) [17:11] the dynamic updating graph would fit in nicely with my server web interface :) [17:13] oly: np - when I get home I'll 'sanitise' the code and post it [17:14] * MartijnVdS hands danfish some "sanitation products" [17:15] haha - remove passwords etc [17:15] danfish: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrainBleach [17:15] MartijnVdS: for removing code smells? [17:15] screen-x: hah, exactly :) [17:21] cheers danfish :) [18:04] oly: http://paste.ubuntu.com/548884/ for the libraries and cgi stuff [18:06] aha cheers danfish will have a look into that :) [18:11] How do I change the root password of an ldap server using cn=config? [18:16] screen-x, i would guess you create an ldif file and use ldifmodify only guessing though :p [18:17] same way you create ldif files and use ldifadd to do the initial setup [18:17] oly: I set it up with debconf.. [18:19] oh no idea then but you should still be able to do the same thing [18:21] I was struggling with openldap already, and then they way configuration happens completely changed! Thanks for the suggestion though oly. [18:23] yeah so i found out, i had to heavily modify my code to setup openldap [18:24] but its design to setup from scratch and manages the admin password for you [18:25] sudo ldapadd -Y EXTERNAL -H ldapi:/// -f myadmin.ldif thats the command it uses to do the initial admin setup though so probably similar to modify [20:06] Can Ubuntu 10.10 handle 6 UARTs / 6 RS232 serial ports? [20:10] niall_, It can but not will be enabled by default [20:10] Yorvyk, do I need to recompile the kernel or what do I need to change? [20:11] niall_, you don't need to compile a new kernel thankfully [20:12] I'm just trying to find what I did as it was a year or so back - give me a few mins. [20:18] Yorvyk, thank you very much. :) [20:20] niall_, np, I'm trying to tidy up my hard disk and have files scattered all over at the moment. I know it's here somewhere [20:23] niall_, found it http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Serial-HOWTO-16.html#ss16.3 [20:36] Yorvyk, just the information I needed. BAM! Thank you so much. Just curious, for what purpose do you employ 6 serial ports? [20:38] (or however many you are using.. I need 6 to console to Cisco devices) [20:38] niall_, 10 in the end :) It was a machine monitoring various environmental controls in a workshop [20:39] Yorvyk, nice. Good to know there's capacity to expand in future. [20:40] niall_, it had 14 ports 4 were never used, just there in case. [20:41] :) [20:43] niall_, I don't know what you're going to do but after the problem with only 4 ports enable our biggest headache was identifying which port was which. [20:45] The i/o cards were covered in links that had to set properly with rather poor docs. [20:46] Hmm. Well, so long as the ordering stays the same after reboot it won't be much of a problem for me. Did you discover that they did or didn't retain their order? [20:49] initially they didn't. we had to alter the addresses and also I seem to remember moving them about the PCI slots because of some interrupt conflict. Once it was all set it has run for 16 months now with out problem and is switched off when the place shuts for holidays. [20:52] Yorvyk, how do you mean, 'alter the addresses'? [21:03] niall_, I think it was the address that was altered by some links on the board in order to avoid conflicts with other devices. These were rather old and not plug n play. [21:09] Yorvyk, oh I see. I was fortunate enough to find a single PCI card with 6 ports, PnP, 20GBP. [21:10] niall_, Not bad. Does the MOBO have any serial ports [21:11] If it does and you don't need it, disabling it can help if you find you have problems with them 'moving about' [21:25] Yorvyk, I believe there is on onboard but I'm not sure I have the header and plate; I don't intend to use it. Good call. Thanks for blazing the trail ;) [21:29] niall_, np, and good luck with it. [21:35] Thanks. bbl [22:01] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/December%202010/softwarecounterfeiting.jpg [22:01] * Azelphur runs :p [22:10] hi all. can anyone give me some info regarding a netbook plz [22:10] what kind of info? [22:11] hi popey. my son has got a laptop which is on its last legs so my parents got him a netbook. the usual crap on there, 2 gig space running crappy ce 6.0. the problem is my 9yr old can get around ubuntu with his eyes closed but this ce rubbis had got him crying all the time. is there any way of putting ubuntu on there? [22:12] in short, no === gary_ is now known as gforce [22:12] oh no [22:12] i hate windows! and not to have ubuntu on a netbook makes it worse lol [22:13] Evening [22:13] yeah, i sympathise [22:13] unfortunately the laptop you have (if my guess is right) is very low spec [22:13] absolutly no way at all popey? [22:13] install mingw for some command line love :p [22:13] yeah, dont even have a cd or floppy. [22:13] i suspect it has about 128MB of RAM [22:14] 256 i think [22:14] which one is it? [22:14] arnova with the samsung arm chip [22:16] Archos? [22:16] http://armdevices.net/2010/10/18/archos-arnova-10-2-inch-samsung-533mhz-arm-powered-laptop/ is that it? [22:17] no arnova [22:17] yes, Archos is the manufacturer, Arnova is the model. [22:17]