[03:16] chibihogoshino: how's it going? [03:17] ok [03:17] that's good [03:17] watching ore no imouto [03:17] * wrst has no clue what that is [03:17] a anime [03:18] my little sister cant be this cute [03:20] ha ha [03:56] anyone here [03:57] hey linuxman410 [03:57] hey wrst [03:57] how r u [03:57] doing good linuxman410 how about yourself? [03:58] doing ok how come you denied someone membership on the team just curious [03:58] didn't mean to :) pace_t_zulu got it fixed [03:58] ok did not know [03:59] i was on my phone and was trying to do it and hit the wrong button [03:59] oh ok [03:59] i sent an apology email :) [04:00] well linuxman410 i'm out for the night have fun! [04:01] you too [05:09] bloody great ending to the series [08:51] wrst: I can add them still [08:52] i think you both can also do that [13:31] cyberanger: pace_t_zulu got them added but thanks for the heads up he showed me how to do that also [13:37] cool [13:37] morning cyberanger and wrst [13:38] hey linuxman410 [13:38] how r u [13:40] hey linuxman410 [13:40] hey wrst [13:40] how are you [13:41] yeah cyberanger kinda embarassing i sent a nice welcome to the team note with declining them :\ [13:41] * wrst is rebooting hopefully to natty brb [13:41] hehe yeah [13:43] welcome to this wonderful moderated team you've been declined from [13:43] cyberanger we decline them then welcome them to the team [13:45] mistakes happen in the process of learning [13:45] and wrst was learning how awesome a smartphone can be [13:45] well that was fail [13:45] is his smart phone running droid [13:46] yes it is linuxman410 [13:46] droid and fat fingers linuxman410 :) [13:46] ok just checking i left the iphone for a blackberry [13:48] linuxman410: i'm a big fan of android [13:49] i am not my daughter has one that locks up all the time [13:49] i have done replaced it once [13:50] hers is a motorola backflip [13:52] never had any issues i think i have rebooted mine twice in a month and one of those was due to updates requiring it [13:52] wrst what kind do you have [13:54] lg vortex, very low powered "beginner" type phone [13:54] but i like the size of it, and it runs ssh app real well and thats my main want anyway, and angry birds, it runs angry birds :) [13:54] * wrst heads to get a cd [13:56] CD's are so 2000 [13:58] i still use cds but with new version of ubuntu will have to get dvds [13:59] linuxman410: i'm putting it on a cd now [13:59] i generally use usb but for some reason that isn't working exactly right [13:59] but last time i seen a iso it was about 849 megs of natty [14:00] yeah they have gotten it down, on everything except a mac build i think [14:01] linuxman410: backflip was a poor design, at&t and motorola tweaked [14:02] some here like it, but I see it as a carriers testbed really [14:03] linuxman410: why do we need dvd's for 11. [14:03] opps I mean natty [14:03] up until the last week or so of daily builds the iso was oversized cyberanger [14:03] i thought it was over 800 megs must have been looking at another os [14:04] but really i think that it MUST fit a cd is a little silly [14:04] nearly everyone has dvd's now or if not thumb drives [14:05] well, I can see using dvd's too, but it'll screw my project if there is a need to grab a 3gb cd to install less than a gig from it [14:06] and the nearly everyone is flawed logic [14:06] i see merits to both, but with the ease of doing usb just seems like there shouldn't be such a fuss about it [14:09] it is only 717 megs it will fit on a cd [14:09] well i'm off to reboot with a cd this time [14:09] brb [14:10] I have never converted anyone on a dvd machine, they may have had one, but they didn't use their primary rig [14:11] and the mobo might not do a usb boot [14:11] me neither i fixed a woman's windows computer and she made me a shirt with tux on it that says linuxman [14:11] hehe [14:12] i think it is cool i wear it to work [14:12] and with my latest project, I'd rather assume they can't and be wrong [14:13] with satellite internet caps, all the more reason [14:13] what is your latest project [14:13] * wrst does the kernel panic shuffle [14:14] a coderspace in Adak, AK [14:14] i could not use satelite internet they limit you too much [14:14] they do indeed [14:14] i download about 10 or 12 linux iso a month [14:15] but I've had to work with it before, got that mess covered [14:15] there is a period each day that the don't meter [14:16] i would use up my banwidth in a hour [14:16] and If I run a mirror there, it works [14:17] once the mirror is running, everything but #ubuntu+1 is fairly static [14:17] and that's the hard part [14:18] cyberanger you on satelite internet now [14:18] I'm working out bandwidth saving measures, and a new ISP for the town [14:18] no, but in the past [14:19] is it not more expensive than dsl and cable [14:19] and celluar internet used to be the same way, and that's also where I learned some tricks from [14:20] well, up their the current isp installed ftth, but the only uplink is still via satellite [14:20] rates speeds and caps are absurd [14:21] cyberanger: i would love to have another isp but our options are well just about none here [14:21] and last time I was on satellite myself for an extended amount of time, was when katrina wiped out anything else [14:23] wrst: yeah, I'd like my model to work well for any town, doubt it will [14:23] but I'm gonna try [14:24] where i live i suppose we are doing good just to have internet [14:25] Adak was large as a navy base, 6k at it's highest but now about 60-75 people that are allways there [14:25] i moved from city to country but in some parts of country we do have dsl and cable but some parts have nothing [14:25] fishing town, so it flucuates [14:26] and nobody has a line to the next biggest town 500 mi east [14:26] dutch harbor [14:27] so even phone is satellite [14:28] http://www.adaktu.com/internet.html [14:28] there is a guy online who posted plans for a wireless reciever you can get wireless from 50 miles away [14:29] that's option 1, option 2 is hughesnet [14:29] wildblue isn't an option [14:29] and cost goes up, or quality down from there [14:30] linuxman410: what kind of wireless [14:30] that if a resturant has free wireless you can pick it up [14:32] that silver plan is almost dial up in the above link [14:33] i remember downloading my first iso on dial up it took me 3 days [14:34] unlikely, wifi is line of sight, avg router is 48mw, I don't think therotical settings can be done [14:35] and that's 60 bucks too, unfortunately [14:35] he said he tested it first with 10 miles and then kept increasing to see how far away he could get it [14:36] but connect too...idk [14:36] the guy said he connected i am only taking his word [14:38] yeah, I follow, I just can't see it unless he's boosted his power and installed an extrenely sensitive antenni [14:38] he said it cost him 50 bucks to make the antenni [14:39] and beyond 1w power is against part 15 regulations of the fcc (deals with wifi) [14:41] and for adak, it'd need to be 500 miles [14:41] thing is idk how they got alaskan grant money for fiber to the home [14:42] http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/15/how-to-build-a-wifi-biquad-dish-antenna/ check out this cyberanger [14:42] as they dont meet min. requirements [14:43] done that myself, for a 5 mile link [14:46] was fun [14:47] cyberanger so you made one of those [14:49] got to go see ya later almost work time [14:50] yep, fun too [14:51] anything beyond 5mi was the next ridge [14:51] but from that ridge I'd like to do it for 30 miles [14:52] mt leconte [14:57] broadcast signal located there would go a long way [15:00] wrst: about 30 miles to look rock as a relay, 5 miles here [15:01] and then an ISP for mt leconte and more [15:04] or so the idea could be [15:12] morning all [15:13] wrst [15:17] hey Xpistos [15:18] hey cyberanger [15:20] mroning Xpistos [16:05] note to self, get a UPS for a Directv DVR [16:06] crash something there? [16:07] a 1 sec. power outage, at most [16:07] but 5 minutes to get the reciver going [16:08] disk check, reconnect to the dish [16:08] my server here is possibly down too [16:08] but that's ok [16:10] I'm the only one using it [16:11] but the reciever is more annoying [16:12] and more likely to do damage [16:13] plus watching back to the future is easier when the DVR has power [16:16] luckily no issues, but brownouts here are common enough [16:20] there will be, with enough occurances [17:24] hello netritious [17:25] howdy wrst [17:28] hey netritious [17:28] and happy almost new year or something like that [17:28] * wrst feels he has to say happy something after the last few weeks [17:29] hey netritious have you ever thought about starting an isp? [17:29] wrst: happy deleting a new member? [17:29] no that's not right [17:31] we'll settle for a new year heehee [17:43] hey pace_t_zulu [18:05] hey cyberanger [18:05] uhm not really, well briefly maybe a loooong time ago === excid|mbp is now known as excid3|mbp [18:10] well, I ask cause I've been thinking about it, to detail [18:12] not too different in ways to a hosting provider, so I wondered [18:18] ha ha cyberanger :P [18:19] that's a ha ha on the member deleting cyberanger [18:20] thou shall not needlessly press delete [18:20] yeah cyberanger me and my android and our first altercation [18:21] thou shall not blame android for ones own actions ;-) [18:23] reminds me of a simpsons ep. [18:24] hey cyberanger netritious wrst [18:29] hey pace_t_zulu [19:10] hey pace_t_zulu [19:26] starting an isp = hard work these days [19:30] elijah-mbp: you've looked into it? [19:31] no, been the slave labor when one got started in cookeville 15 years ago :/ [19:31] acquired by earthlink after i parted ways. [19:32] i built a bunch of linux machines on the cheap for them, we wired them up as dhcp/ftp/mail/etc [19:32] ah [19:32] i'm sure it's easier now - other than "where are you gonna get connectivity from" …. [19:32] I'm just looking at hughesnet and http://www.adaktu.com/internet.html as the two options [19:32] the upstream isp bit is the one remaining hassle too [19:33] i'd love to see someone start a mesh network of some sort around here - i'd be happy to mount a node on the rooftop ;) [19:33] I can't drag fiber into town, from seattle [19:33] ironically, the exact setup I've decieded to go with [19:33] :) [19:33] this is in Adak? [19:34] http://www.villagetelco.org/about/mesh-potato/ [19:34] i do pay some attention some of the time :) [19:34] yeah, Adak, AK [19:34] however I'd do it anywhere I could justify [19:35] but I think that with what another group's trying todo, and some other details of Adak, it's the best testing ground [19:35] how well does that work in heavy snow conditions? do you have to have it under cover or under a dome or something to keep it sanely operational? [19:36] unfortunately, idk how I'm gonna handle any phone service if I do that part === excid3|mbp is now known as refactorcid3 [19:36] at this point, i would just worry about IP traffic. [19:38] my same thoughts, esp since that's one thing Adak's got going for it, unlimited talk and sms for 20 bucks, their BTS doesn't support data, but oh well [19:39] as for snow, Adak isn't too far north, alot of wind and fog [19:39] but it's not snow 24/7 [19:39] no metal in the enclosure, all plastic [19:40] I'd like to think the heat of this thing is enough to keep it off [19:40] and if not, as long as hudimidity is also kept at a good amount, I can build an extremely small heater for it [19:42] I think wind is my bigger problem actually, the record isn't recorded, becuase the sensor was ripped off [19:42] (I wish I could have unlimited talk and text here for 20 bucks) [19:45] and I plan to setup dns and ntp on the island, and probally an ubuntu repository mirror, should really cut down on traffic [19:46] it's nice how an unused serial port, a garmin gps reciever, and gpsd is all you need to have a stratum 1 ntpd server ;-) [19:47] I also considered http://www.ubnt.com/bullet [19:48] but unfortunately it's tempature limit is -4F [19:49] it'll go up to 158F, but here that's unrealstic [19:51] but apperently the record low on Adak is -3F and that was over 45 years ago [19:52] the record high was 75F, over 55 years ago [19:52] 20 to 60 is normal [19:53] considering both devices were built with outdoor operating tempatures in mind, both can run as a Mesh Node [19:53] I see no reason for this to be an issue [19:54] but moisture and wind stand out, wind is what really concerns me [20:00] elijah-mbp: any thing you see stand out? [20:08] sounds reasonable so far, man :) [20:09] elijah-mbp: you said you wanted a mesh node in cookeville? [20:11] i'm actually in carthage, 30mi or so west of cookeville :) [20:13] oh, well, hrm, an Al Gore area, he's not done this yet.... [20:13] (sorry couldn't resist) well, if one starts a node there, so might others [20:18] so I could see doing it there [20:20] It seems a viable area for it too, hrm [21:03] hello? [21:04] hey vychune_ [21:05] how u doing [21:05] well [21:05] just joined the team trying to see what its all about [21:05] well, in that case [21:05] Welcome To the Ubuntu Tennessee Loco [21:06] Thank You [21:07] so what part of tennessee do you line? [21:07] we have members from all over the sate, usually a few are here to chat at some point in the day [21:07] Evenings is the most common [21:07] I'm near Chattanooga [21:07] well, except for the holidays, near Knoxville now [21:07] Whitehaven Memphis [21:08] whyd you start using ubuntu [21:09] why, so long ago, I'm not sure it was ever a simple answer, and if it was I've forgotten it [21:10] lol [21:12] when i was 16 (19 now) i tried to pirate Windows and got caught and with no money i just happened to find ubuntu [21:12] and now i can say my stupidity paid off lol [21:12] I've had a hard time thinking back on when I exactly started, Ubuntu 4.10 (Warty Warthog) or Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog) or Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger) [21:13] Whitehaven? It hasn't been Whitehaven in 20-25 years lol [21:14] vychune_: netritious is one of the two Memphis leaders, and a Southhaven native, I'll leave you two to debate that one [21:14] lol [21:14] lol [21:14] netritious: it is Southaven, right [21:14] Southaven is in MS [21:15] Whitehaven is the official name of that part of Memphis, but most in that area call it by another name [21:15] what is it now then? and yeah Southaven is the 'Sip [21:15] netritious: true, but isn't also your town [21:15] dat b Blackhaven mayne [21:16] <-- from old home town/coro lake [21:16] ...and westwood [21:16] grew up there [21:16] *rolls eyes* i'm black i don't like that name much [21:16] (you know, as the statewide leader, I should know, whopps) [21:16] lol [21:17] oh boy, ugh.............quick clear the air clear the air [21:17] cyberanger yeah you should lol [21:17] all my friends in Whitehaven make fun of me for calling it Whitehaven [21:17] why cyberanger btw [21:18] netritious my friend just say da haven [21:18] well, one issue with irc, you can't hear confruntation, and that sounded like fighting words for a moment [21:18] *friends [21:19] lol i meant about your nick [21:19] whyd you choose cyberanger [21:19] vychune_: ah finally..the new generation is coming along..i never cared for either name to be honest [21:19] da Haven sounds better [21:20] it's the capital of south memphis for me [21:20] oh, lol, I've had a few nicks, most carying a theme of some kind [21:20] lol how true vychune_ [21:20] this one and my last one to me carry a theme of anti-censorship [21:21] hm sounds unique [21:21] be right back [21:22] I tried real hard for one with double meanings, last one didn't go so well in some circles [21:22] I can hear it now cyberanger... [21:22] and in the process, tried to avoid any common ones [21:22] "are you the police?" [21:23] that was what infocop411 had an issue with, hush/run, it's the internet police [21:23] regrettably, cause that was the exact opposite of what I had in mind [21:25] back [21:26] looking over screenshots, and counting live discs prior to my first personal machine, my use of linux appears to actually predate ubuntu, barely [21:26] vychune_: are you born and raised in Memphis? [21:26] *were you [21:27] I don't count it, but I tinkered with a machine in '96-'97 that had red hat [21:28] yes born raised and graduated [21:28] I totally didn't get it at the time, but then again I wasn't really in to server services yet [21:28] otherwise I wouldn't have used knoppix 3.4, and I still have a 3.6 disc around, both predate ubuntu [21:29] vychune_: ah k... cyberanger doesn't realize how progressive Memphis is...we all talk about race here openly, and not in a bad way although I'm sure that happens [21:29] and looking at screenshots, changelogs and such, leads me to believe I installed Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog) first, but used Ubuntu 4.10 (Warty Warthog) [21:30] at least the newer generations [21:30] 30 and younger [21:30] netritious: well, I've seen it go both ways, from Erie, PA, Pittsburgh, PA, and Chattanooga, TN [21:30] race isnt a probelm for me [21:30] true...Chattanooga is pretty progressive too [21:31] and I'm twenty, so at the point you've got it as an issue I'd be far enough away [21:31] never been to PA [21:31] we're progressive, but if you pick a fight enough, you will get one sooner or later [21:31] vychune_: that's what I was saying...it isn't for most people around here, unless you run into a redneck lol [21:32] PA isn't as simple, I think Erie had gotten to that point, but this recession has unfortunately brought back old feelings [21:32] and Pittsburgh is hard to read, gang issues [21:32] my daughter is 8 and asks pretty regularly why people call themselves black or white, and that she has arguments all the time at school because of it lol [21:33] *Jeff Foxworthy voice* if your dog and your wallet are both on a chain lol [21:33] lol [21:33] idk why that reminded me of a simpsons scene [21:34] LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! [21:34] ? wiki jams? [21:34] ah ha [21:34] see cyberanger I told you someone would ask :D [21:35] Wiki Jams [21:35] where we as a team help other's setup their wiki pages [21:35] hehe, somebody did, yep [21:35] on the ubuntu web site [21:36] oh ok [21:36] update team documentation, member's wiki pages and so on [21:36] http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team [21:37] yes, those things too [21:37] helpful for us (next month we're applying to be offical (I couldn't apply this month, travelling then, whopps)) helpful for members applying for ubuntu membership [21:37] so on [21:38] okok [21:38] good [21:39] uummmmmmmm* cyberanger wonders why these past few meetings my day turns to hell and gets in the way [21:40] saw this in a meeting log [21:40] http://www.junauza.com/2010/12/top-50-programming-quotes-of-all-time.html [21:41] idk, still looking for an answer to that one, odd timing for service calls, personal issues and such [21:41] November and December that happened, I think it did in October too [21:41] pace_t_zulu: 46 [21:42] pace_t_zulu: 41 [21:43] oh and 29 [21:43] pace_t_zulu: 17 [21:43] ?If McDonalds were run like a software company, one out of every hundred Big Macs would give you food poisoning, and the response would be, ?We?re sorry, here?s a coupon for two more.? ? [21:43] haha 16 [21:44] 12 [21:45] LOL 12 [21:45] surprising coming from Bill [21:45] 2 & 1 [21:45] ?There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies.? [21:45] - C.A.R. Hoare [21:45] yeah 2 is good [21:46] 50 [21:46] 2 appeals to the schizophrenic in me, well, both of them actually [21:46] and I'm pretty sure one of them knows where I live [21:47] LOL [21:48] 21 is good [21:49] you know, that's been proven true too [21:49] oh yes [21:50] vychune_: I meant to ask how did you get caught using boot leg windows? Like microsoft came a knockin' on your door or...? [21:50] LOL [21:51] my key got reported stolen [21:51] i was ratted out [21:51] that sucks [21:51] stealing ubuntu is much harder ;-) [21:52] ??????? [21:52] note the emoicon [21:52] cyberanger is making a joke vychune_ [21:53] (got me thinking) how would you steal ubuntu [21:53] what version of windows... xp? [21:53] sorry, another thing IRC doesn't show well, scarsam [21:53] I know it's a joke but it got me thinking [21:54] and yes pace_t_zulu eXtremely Poor [21:54] (however if somebody takes one of my custom live discs without me giving them it, there will be a trial, I will find you guilty, and you will be serving a sentence of my chosing) [21:54] LOLOLOLOLOLOL [21:55] vychune_: you would have been able to install... just not able to activate? [21:56] cyberanger: technically there's nothing wrong with selling a live cd ... right? [21:56] it was installed for two months then the "you have 30 days" prompt came up [21:56] what are you selling it for, and why? [21:56] pace_t_zulu no there isnt [21:56] and did you pay somebody for it, of given to you [21:57] ondisc.com does does it everyday [21:57] well, I see a bigger issue depending on how one got it, at least ethically [21:57] cyberanger: i don't sell ubuntu discs... just pointing out it is not illegal (according to the license) to do so [21:58] i sold one for 5 bucks [21:58] lol [21:58] cyberanger: if someone is unable to produce a live cd themselves - they pay for it [21:58] or use ubuntushipit [21:58] ah, since you said live disc and not ubuntu live disc, I will say that there can be, depending on each ones license [21:58] some have stated that you can only charge for parts and reasonable labour [21:59] kinda leaving it open beyond there [22:00] vychune_: my understanding is that it isn't too difficult to disable windows activation [22:00] vychune_: i couldn't say though... i'd rather not use windows if i don't have to [22:01] vychune_: you're better off with linux [22:01] I grabbed a couple of boxes at Atlanta Linux Fest in 2009, gave some to my work, and to my lug (the GA loco didn't want them, they were soon to get newer discs) and the lug gave away the entire box at devchatt, kinda a barcamp event of sorts [22:01] well windoze has games i like lol [22:01] at least I think it was devchatt, but it was an event of that kind [22:02] vychune_: i've always found consoles are the best gaming experience ... [22:02] vychune_: and consoles are much less expensive - relatively speaking [22:02] i dont have one mom took and idk where they are [22:03] *took them [22:03] pace_t_zulu: for my custom discs, if it doesn't conflict with something upstream, I'd require nobody sell my software, you get it for free, you give it for free [22:03] but I wouldn't disallow somebody to offset the costs of making the disc and shipping it [22:03] as that's what I see ethically right too [22:04] and other projects have done that, I just can't recall if ubuntu is one [22:05] *claps* [22:08] * cyberanger is working on a setup for chattacon, should be cool [22:08]