[03:42] <tanders12> anyone wanna help a noob get jack working?
[03:47] <ailo> tanders12: what do you need?
[03:50] <tanders12> trying to get FFADO and JACK running for the first time
[03:50] <tanders12> jack fails to start when set to "firewire"
[03:51] <ailo> What soundcard do you use?
[03:51] <tanders12> Echo Audiofire 4
[03:52] <ailo> Have you got it working on the same machine but with different OS?
[03:52] <tanders12> I'm sure it's something super simple. Like I said, total noob
[03:54] <tanders12> No I haven't tried that yet
[03:54] <ailo> Sadly, I don't have any experience with firewire cards myself, so I can only help so much..
[03:56] <ailo> which version of Ubuntu?
[03:56] <tanders12> 10.10
[03:57] <tanders12> i could post the jack error messages
[03:57] <tanders12> 20:52:02.694 /usr/bin/jackd -t2000 -dfirewire -r44100 -p128 -n3 20:52:02.697 JACK was started with PID=4002. no message buffer overruns no message buffer overruns jackdmp 1.9.6 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. Copyright 2004-2010 Grame. jackdmp comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK server starti
[03:57] <tanders12> Well that was useless...
[03:58] <ailo> did you get jack to start with another card?
[03:58] <ailo> using alsa, that is
[03:59] <ailo> but, reading the message you pasted, there doesn't seem to be any error. Am I wrong?
[04:01] <tanders12> Yeah it seems to start with alsa
[04:01] <tanders12> It clipped my message that's why it didn't post the error
[04:01] <ailo> ok
[04:01] <tanders12> btw is there any way to keep jack from repeatedly trying to connect. The error keeps popping up and it's very annoying
[04:02] <tanders12>   (ffado.cpp)[  92] ffado_streaming_init: libffado 2.999.0- built Aug 11 2010 00:12:04 firewire ERR: FFADO: Error creating virtual device Cannot attach audio driver JackServer::Open() failed with -1 no message buffer overruns Failed to start server
[04:07] <ailo> Have you tried this on Ubuntu 10.04? You could try installing jackd1. Do: sudo apt-get install jackd1. This will replace jackd2
[04:07] <ailo> Or just look up jackd1 in synaptic manager, check it and apply.
[04:07] <tanders12> Haven't tried it in 10.04. What's the difference between jackd1 and jackd2?
[04:08] <ailo> I don't know all the specifics, but jackd2 supports multiple cpu's. There may not be any benefit to use jackd2, so jackd1 should be fine.
[04:10] <ailo> Also, there may be a problem with your version of ffado, but to find out if that is true I would contact the people over at ffado.
[04:11] <tanders12> k I think I'll try it in windows first. I bought the interface used so that's prolly a good place to start. thanks for your help tho
[04:14] <ailo> ok, good luck.
[04:23] <ScottL> tanders12, are you starting jack by the command line?  you might also try qjackctl
[04:23] <ScottL> you can also look at messages from qjackctl via the messages button and see all output
[04:23] <ScottL> but you might also configure it and choose "verbose messages"
[04:27] <tanders12> scott i am using qjackctl
[04:27] <tanders12> is there an easy way for me to post the error messages here?
[04:28] <ailo> Another thing that might be worth trying is increase the Frame/Period to at least 1024.
[04:31] <tanders12> Tried that, still no go. I've confirmed that JACK seems to work great through ALSA. Tried routing an mp3 from Audacious to Audacity. Worked flawlessly. Very slick. I'm really thinking this is an FFADO issue, possibly having to do with the new Juju firewire stack
[04:34] <ailo> I read something about that Juju... A guy testing Ubuntu 11.04 uses the same device seemingly without problems
[04:36] <ailo> tanders12 A simple solution could be to use an older distro.
[04:37] <tanders12> I really prefer to use the newest stuff if possible. I'll get it eventually. I'm a tweak by nature, I enjoy fixing things that are broke and being on the bleeding edge :)
[04:37] <holstein> tanders12: you still around?
[04:37] <holstein> did you get it running?
[04:37] <tanders12> nope
[04:37] <holstein> lemme look at the ffado comatibility list
[04:38] <holstein> AH
[04:38] <holstein> says your good
[04:38] <holstein> tanders12: open a terminal
[04:38] <holstein> and run
[04:38] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[04:38] <holstein> set...
[04:38] <holstein> 44100
[04:38] <OldBlue> holstein> hey dude
[04:39] <holstein> frames/period 512
[04:39] <OldBlue> Fezzler here, trying our new iRC client and I am lost  :)
[04:39] <holstein> periods/buffer 3
[04:39] <holstein> make sure you have firewire as the driver
[04:39] <holstein> not freebob (for now)
[04:39] <holstein> tanders12: and try starting it
[04:39] <OldBlue> Some reason, kicked me to alternative ID
[04:40] <holstein> OldBlue: o?
[04:40] <holstein> o/
[04:40] <holstein> *
[04:40] <holstein> hello :)
[04:40] <holstein> OldBlue: what client are you trying?
[04:41] <OldBlue> holstein> mIRC
[04:41] <tanders12> ok it started that time
[04:41] <holstein> tanders12: cool
[04:41] <holstein> so close it
[04:41] <holstein> and lets go back to the terminal
[04:41] <tanders12> k
[04:41] <holstein> and do a couple things
[04:41] <holstein> check and make sure you are in the audio and video group
[04:41] <holstein> sudo adduser tanders12 audio
[04:42] <holstein> and sudo adduser tanders12 video
[04:42] <tanders12> done
[04:42] <holstein> i guess you could to sudo adduser tanders12 audio && adduser video
[04:42] <tanders12> was alread in audio
[04:42] <tanders12> added to video
[04:42] <holstein> something like that
[04:42] <holstein> OK
[04:42] <holstein> lemme get another link for you...
[04:43] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firewire
[04:43] <holstein> about half way down the page
[04:43] <holstein> Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) and 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat)
[04:43] <holstein> ^^ after that heading
[04:43] <tanders12> read that about half an hour ago
[04:43] <holstein> echo 'KERNEL=="raw1394", GROUP="video", MODE="0664"' |
[04:43] <holstein> sudo tee /etc/udev/rules.d/50-raw1394.rules
[04:43] <holstein> && sudo restart udev
[04:44] <tanders12> one sec
[04:44] <OldBlue> holstein> got my Vista box going again.  there's 4 days I'll never get bck!  :)
[04:44] <holstein> and you may need to logout and back in
[04:44] <holstein> i usually just restart to be sure ;)
[04:44] <holstein> OldBlue: OH the vista restore discs did the trick eh?
[04:44] <holstein> thats cool
[04:44] <holstein> i torrented those
[04:45] <OldBlue> holstein> I'll be embarrassed to tell people what I did on my holiday.  Maybe I'll just say, "I spent a  lot of time in India!"
[04:45] <holstein> i dont have any restore or repair discs for vista or win7
[04:45] <holstein> seems like those are nice ad legal helpful tools to have around
[04:45] <holstein> for family members that have vista and win7
[04:46] <OldBlue> holstein> you do now.  What the heck is the irc command to get my normal ID back? "/" what
[04:46]  * holstein crosses fingers for tanders1 :)
[04:46] <holstein> try it now
[04:46] <holstein> as normal user
[04:46] <holstein> with those settings
[04:46] <tanders1> k here we go
[04:46] <holstein> if it starts as root
[04:46] <holstein> then you know you *can* make it work
[04:46] <holstein> its usually permissions
[04:46] <OldBlue> holstein> Now I'm old school.  Been using computer a long time.  Never had a modern hard drive go out on me before.
[04:46] <holstein> thats how i get my firepod to 'give up the funk'
[04:47] <ailo> so, the firewire stuff need to belong to the Video group?
[04:47] <holstein> OldBlue: hehe
[04:47] <OldBlue> holstein> they die quietly and partially  :)
[04:47] <holstein> ive had plenty die
[04:47] <holstein> ailo: i was told that had changed
[04:47] <holstein> but i'll believe it when it runs for me
[04:48] <holstein> without adding myself to that group
[04:48] <OldBlue> holstein> My daughter says, "Dad, will we need to freeze this one to get the files off?"  Ever do that trick?
[04:48] <holstein> hehe
[04:48] <holstein> hasnt worked for me
[04:48] <OldBlue> holstein> It works!
[04:48] <holstein> but the cases i have that are totally dead are quite extreme
[04:48] <OldBlue> holstein> It worked like a charm on a failing scsi drive in my kids' iMac
[04:49] <holstein> nice
[04:49] <holstein> i got a couple here that i havent tried that on
[04:49] <OldBlue> holstein> But yea, I have it fully functioning
[04:49] <holstein> ive already used photorec and give the data back
[04:49] <holstein> but, maybe i'll try it again
[04:50] <OldBlue> holstein> was on my way to Best Buy to get W7 and a new hard drive when it struck me my 500GB in this old HP was two 250GB identical hard drives.
[04:50] <tanders12> @holstein: no go
[04:50] <holstein> tanders12: OK
[04:51] <holstein> try sudo qjackctl again
[04:51] <OldBlue> holstein> so I flipped car around, made slave drive the master and it restored like a charm in like 18 minutes
[04:51] <holstein> and when that works
[04:51] <holstein> go back to normal user
[04:51] <holstein> run it
[04:51] <holstein> and pastebin us the errors...
[04:51] <tanders12> you know what, i didn't reboot. lemme try that first
[04:52] <tanders12> brb
[04:55] <tanders12> back, still no worky, which logs did you want?
[04:55] <holstein> make sure it still works as root first
[04:55] <holstein> then whatever errors are in the 'message' window of JACK for now
[04:56] <holstein> messages*
[04:56] <ailo> holstein: I'm thinking more about permissions. The reason why we need them for audio is because of RT, right? I'm wondering what is the best group for firewire, and who is setting this up for us.
[04:56]  * holstein shrugs
[04:56] <holstein> i guess its just always been video
[04:57] <holstein> for cameras or whatever
[04:57] <holstein> and i can totally understand the lock-down out of the box
[04:58] <holstein> tanders12: is this 10.10?
[04:58] <holstein> i havnet tried with 10.10 yet
[04:58] <holstein> and i can...
[04:58] <tanders12> didn't work as root
[04:58] <holstein> if thats helpful
[04:59] <holstein> tanders12: double check the settings then
[04:59] <tanders12> it's 10.10
[04:59] <holstein> we need to get it running as root
[04:59] <holstein> then, what we just did *should* hook it up
[04:59] <holstein> lemme go and try it too
[05:00] <tanders12> seems to be havin some pretty serious issues now
[05:02] <tanders12> 2:01:21.010 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall operation failed. - Server communication error. Please check the messages window for more info.
[05:02] <ailo> Try alsa
[05:02] <tanders12> firewire ERR: Could not start streaming threads
[05:03] <tanders12> ALSAs broke too
[05:03] <holstein> interesting... im about online here
[05:04] <holstein> let me do those commands and see what happens for me
[05:04] <tanders12> you have an audiofire 4?
[05:04] <tanders12> what are those commands supposed to do?
[05:04] <holstein> presonus firepod
[05:04] <holstein> tanders12: fix permissions for firewire devices
[05:05] <tanders12> k
[05:05] <ailo> tanders12: I think what they were supposed to do is give permissions to let your firewire device run in realtime mode
[05:07] <tanders12> what's the chance that the juju stack is causing the problem?
[05:07] <ailo> Considering that you got it working once as root, it should be tweakable
[05:07] <tanders12> true enough
[05:08] <tanders12> but then we didn't confirm whether the interface actually worked...
[05:08] <holstein> ffado says it does
[05:08] <holstein> i think you'll be ok once you get it running
[05:08] <tanders12> k, how's it coming on your end?
[05:09] <tanders12> btw if it makes a difference I'm on straight ubuntu, not ubuntustudio
[05:11] <holstein> tanders12: you are not alone
[05:11] <holstein> im getting the same issues in 10.10
[05:11] <holstein> let me see what i find here..
[05:11] <tanders12> well that's "good"
[05:11] <tanders12> lol
[05:11] <holstein> ive been meaning to try it for a while now
[05:11] <ailo> strange that alsa would break too
[05:11] <tanders12> ailo: yeah
[05:12] <tanders12> i lost those commands when I rebooted. could you repost them and I'll see if I can figure anything out?
[05:12] <holstein> you can run
[05:12] <holstein> history
[05:12] <holstein> in the terminal
[05:13] <holstein> but
[05:13] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firewire
[05:13] <holstein> thats where i got them...
[05:14] <holstein> tanders12: you dont have anything else plugged in do you?
[05:14] <holstein> firewire?
[05:14] <tanders12> nope
[05:14] <holstein> i think the multiple device support is on the way
[05:15] <tanders12> is there a command to at least find out if the pc sees the interface?
[05:15] <tanders12> lsfw or something like that?
[05:15] <holstein> OK
[05:15] <holstein> im up as root
[05:15] <holstein> lemme try normal user
[05:15] <holstein> nope
[05:15] <tanders12> k
[05:15] <holstein> i went all grey
[05:15] <holstein> ater a few seconds..
[05:15] <tanders12> that's what happens when i try it too
[05:16] <tanders12> freezes on a system level
[05:16] <holstein> yup
[05:16] <holstein> thats why im still running 10.04 ;)
[05:16] <tanders12> lame
[05:16] <holstein> hmmm
[05:16] <ailo> This whole setup seems like a hack, anyway, right?
[05:17] <holstein> well, theres not many firewire users
[05:17] <tanders12> nope
[05:17] <holstein> and the ffado guys are busy
[05:17] <holstein> i used to hang in there
[05:17] <holstein> they dont use buntu though
[05:17] <holstein> and the channel is dead
[05:17] <tanders12> yeah it is
[05:17] <holstein> the mailing list is active
[05:17] <tanders12> mailing list is the only way to go
[05:18] <holstein> when i got someone in a channel, the advice was 'dont use ubuntu'
[05:18] <holstein> ;)
[05:18] <tanders12> lol
[05:18] <holstein> and that just aint right
[05:18] <tanders12> my goal is arch eventually
[05:19] <holstein> i remember something in the kernel breaking firewire in 11.04
[05:19] <holstein> maybe that worked its way up to this
[05:19] <holstein> hmmm
[05:19] <tanders12> 10.04 doesn't use juju right?
[05:19] <holstein> tanders12: i'll try a different kernel
[05:20] <holstein> but it'll take a while to test
[05:20] <holstein> i have to reboot twice to let the 10.04 install set up grub
[05:20] <tanders12> k im gonna try the interface in windoze and make sure it at least works
[05:20] <ailo> holstein: did you try it on 11.04. A tester on the Ubuntustudio-dev list had it working.
[05:20] <holstein> ailo: what kernel?
[05:21] <ailo> alessios lowlatency
[05:21] <holstein> eh, i dont have jack in my natty install
[05:21] <holstein> and it was kind strange the last time i was in there...
[05:21] <holstein> let me try with 10.10 for now...
[05:22] <tanders12> lol chrome wont let me go to echoaudio.com now
[05:23] <holstein> when it rains, right...
[05:23] <tanders12> eh it'll work itself out
[05:23] <tanders12> brb
[05:26] <holstein> ailo: you have a firewire interface?
[05:26] <holstein> i feel like we almost need a team for this
[05:26] <ailo> nope, but I'm thinking of getting one.
[05:26] <holstein> just to make sure it still works
[05:26] <holstein> each release
[05:27] <ailo> After reading about the debate surrounding RT and how Ubuntu Natty is breaking it, makes me think Linux needs someone that works these things out for the audio community
[05:28] <holstein> yup
[05:28] <holstein> a paid dev just for the studio side
[05:32] <ailo> All these audio distros based on Ubuntu for instane. Why not put heads together on the fundamental stuff. At least on the kernel side of things.
[05:32] <holstein> i think falk is trying to do that
[05:32] <holstein> falk and abogani
[05:37] <tanders12> ha echos site is hosed right now, so no windows test
[05:37] <tanders12> holstein: any luck?
[05:37] <ailo> holstein: ever tried linking multiple firewire devices, chained?
[05:38] <holstein> ailo: not yet
[05:38] <holstein> well, i tried a hard drive and the firepod
[05:38] <holstein> it used to work with the old freebob driver
[05:38] <holstein> not anymore
[05:38] <holstein> BUT its suppose to be coming
[05:38] <holstein> tanders12: not yet :/
[05:38] <tanders12> k
[05:39] <holstein> tanders12: now its not working in 10.04
[05:39] <holstein> on this box
[05:39] <holstein> SO let me sort that out
[05:39] <holstein> i really dont use this laptop that much
[05:39] <tanders12> lol
[05:39] <tanders12> fun
[05:39] <holstein> hehe
[05:39] <holstein> tanders12: ive been wanting to do this
[05:39] <tanders12> glad I could help ;)
[05:39] <holstein> i knew it would come up eventually
[05:39] <tanders12> btw what kind of music you do?
[05:40] <holstein> mostly jazz
[05:40] <holstein> upright bass
[05:40] <ailo> I was investigating linking (and syncing) of multiple devices. Because of no assurance from anywhere at the time, my thought was to get a ADAT capable device + an A/D ADAT converter.
[05:40]  * holstein wipes brow
[05:40] <holstein> OK
[05:40] <holstein> im up and running in 10.10
[05:40] <holstein> and im up to date with falks packages in his PA
[05:41] <holstein> PPA*
[05:41] <holstein> so i have JACK2
[05:41] <holstein> and other goodies that could break maverick..
[05:41] <holstein> lemme reboot
[05:42] <holstein> not that i care much
[05:42] <holstein> but aboganis kernel breaks my wireless
[05:42] <holstein> i'll have to tell me
[05:42] <holstein> him*
[05:43] <holstein> OK
[05:43] <holstein> the new kernel from abogani doesnt* break my wireless :)
[05:43] <tanders12> who's abogani?
[05:44] <ailo> tanders12: he maintains low latency kernels for Ubuntu
[05:44] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa
[05:45] <holstein> ^^ thats his PPA
[05:45] <holstein> tanders12: OK
[05:46] <holstein> im up and looking pretty normal
[05:46] <tanders12> what's the diff between low latency and rt?
[05:46] <holstein> this is what i did
[05:46] <holstein> http://jackschnippes.freeunix.net/index.php/2010/11/04/lowlatency-kernel-and-realtime-kernel-for-ubuntu-10-10-maverick
[05:46] <holstein> borrowing the natty kernels for maverick
[05:47] <holstein> hey
[05:47] <ailo> about kernels https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RealTime
[05:47] <holstein> 5.8 ms
[05:47] <holstein> lemme see..
[05:47] <holstein> yeah, its starts at 1.45 ms
[05:48] <holstein> doesnt seem as stable as in 10.04
[05:48] <holstein> but, its working
[05:48] <holstein> actually
[05:48] <holstein> i dont know how hard i can push it on this machine
[05:48] <ailo> Well, maybe Maverick is not to be recommended for firewire than?
[05:48] <holstein> so that could be just as stable as 10.04
[05:48] <tanders12> so based on what you had to do to get it working what do you think the problem was?
[05:49] <holstein> tanders12: the permissions and the kernel too
[05:49] <holstein> i say
[05:49] <holstein> i went ahead and installed the realtime one
[05:49] <holstein> you can try the -lowlatency one first if you want
[05:49] <holstein> tanders12: i usually go in and edit my grub file
[05:50] <tanders12> never installed a kernel b4 :D
[05:50] <holstein> so grub shows on boot
[05:50] <holstein> the grub menu*
[05:50] <holstein> i dont use the RT kernel all the time on the laptops
[05:50] <holstein> tanders12: no biggie
[05:50] <tanders12> im game tho
[05:50] <tanders12> gotta happen eventually
[05:50] <holstein> you see that link?
[05:50] <holstein> http://jackschnippes.freeunix.net/index.php/2010/11/04/lowlatency-kernel-and-realtime-kernel-for-ubuntu-10-10-maverick
[05:50] <holstein> theres a section for realtime
[05:50] <holstein> and there are 3 things
[05:50] <holstein> one for 32bit
[05:50] <holstein> and one for 64bit
[05:51] <holstein> just DL all those
[05:51] <holstein> tanders12: used to be easy :)
[05:51] <holstein> sudo apt-get install linux-rt .... BUT we're going to have to steal them from natty this way
[05:51] <holstein> and thats fin
[05:52] <holstein> e
[05:52] <holstein> after you get those 3 files DL'd
[05:52] <holstein> just go and doulbe click on them
[05:54] <holstein> if you see a 'unsatified dependancies' warning
[05:54] <holstein> just go to another one
[05:54] <holstein> and come back to that one
[05:54] <holstein> i installed the 64bit one
[05:54] <holstein> and one of the packages didnt install
[05:54] <holstein> and its fine...
[05:57] <tanders12> so maverick doesn't have rt kernel in repos anymore?
[05:58] <ailo> never had
[05:58] <holstein> yeah
[05:58] <holstein> lucid really didnt
[05:58] <holstein> they just carried the one up from karmic
[05:58] <holstein> natty wont either
[05:58] <holstein> we'll have to get it from this PPA
[05:58] <tanders12> hm why not?
[05:59] <holstein> the generic kernel is really getting there
[05:59] <holstein> as far as realtime capabilities
[05:59] <holstein> *im told
[05:59] <tanders12> hm
[05:59] <holstein> not so much for us though
[05:59] <holstein> the firewire gear
[05:59] <tanders12> why won't it work for our firewire problems you think?
[05:59] <ailo> My favorite so far was Karmic, but I used the distro Puredyne, so I don't know of UbuntuStudio specific issues.
[06:00] <holstein> tanders12: SO if you want
[06:00] <holstein> run
[06:00] <tanders12> won't let me install one of the headers packages due to deps
[06:00] <holstein> tanders12: thats fine
[06:00] <holstein> just get the other 2
[06:00] <tanders12> i did
[06:00] <holstein> thats how mine went too
[06:01] <holstein> OK
[06:01] <tanders12> ah ok
[06:01] <tanders12> how do i pull up grub again?
[06:01] <holstein> IF you want to see the grub list
[06:01] <holstein> run
[06:01] <holstein> sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[06:01] <holstein> OR gksudo gedit ...
[06:01] <holstein> whichever you prefer
[06:02] <holstein> there are 2 lines i change
[06:02] <holstein> i do
[06:02] <holstein> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[06:02] <holstein> so i see the list
[06:02] <holstein> and
[06:02] <holstein> GRUB_TIMEOUT=-1
[06:02] <tanders12> i use burg btw
[06:02] <holstein> so it doesnt automatically do anything
[06:02] <tanders12> it's a graphical grub launcher
[06:03] <holstein> AH
[06:03] <holstein> ok :)
[06:03] <holstein> so your cool then
[06:04] <tanders12> yean
[06:04] <holstein> maybe you need to run
[06:04] <holstein> sudo update-grub
[06:04] <holstein> i dont know how burge works
[06:04] <holstein> and i needed to force it
[06:04] <holstein> since my grub is handled by a different instance of buntu
[06:04] <tanders12> k
[06:08] <tanders12> should i try to boot the rt now?
[06:09] <holstein> tanders12: yup
[06:09] <holstein> go for it
[06:09] <holstein> thats all i did
[06:09] <tanders12> one question
[06:09] <holstein> ?
[06:10] <tanders12> burg lists rt kernel and 3 other kernels
[06:10] <tanders12> shouldn't there only be 1 other
[06:10] <holstein> depends
[06:10] <holstein> assuming they are not the 'recovery' kernels
[06:10] <holstein> could just be older kernels
[06:10] <tanders12> does ubuntu hang onto old ones as they are updated
[06:10] <holstein> that you've updated
[06:10] <tanders12> ^^
[06:10] <holstein> i usually keep the RT one
[06:11] <holstein> the new generic one
[06:11] <holstein> and the last generic one that worked
[06:11] <tanders12> makes sense
[06:11] <tanders12> brb
[06:15] <tanders12> its only pulling up 2 entries
[06:15] <tanders12> in grub
[06:15] <holstein> no RT ?
[06:15] <holstein> hmmm
[06:15] <tanders12> no
[06:15] <tanders12> might be a burg problem
[06:15] <holstein> you did
[06:15] <holstein> sudo update-grub ?
[06:16] <holstein> maybe theres an update-burg ;)
[06:16] <holstein> burg is news to me
[06:16] <tanders12> yeah, the burg configuration tool can see all the kernels, but when it actually boots it only displays windows and one ubuntu
[06:16] <tanders12> but there's no setting for that...
[06:16] <tanders12> is there a grub file I can edit to make sure they are listed?
[06:16] <holstein> drop that burg conf in ubuntu paste if you want
[06:17] <holstein> tanders12: if you run update-grub
[06:17] <tanders12> ubuntu paste?
[06:17] <holstein> you can see them get recognized
[06:17] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[06:17] <holstein> or pastebin
[06:17] <holstein> whatever you prefer
[06:17] <tanders12> uninstalling burg...
[06:17] <holstein> hehe ;)
[06:17] <ailo> about burg (new to me also): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Burg
[06:18] <holstein> i'll give you my /etc/default/grub changes again
[06:18] <holstein> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[06:18] <holstein> GRUB_TIMEOUT=-1
[06:19] <holstein> and you run update-grub after editing that file
[06:20] <tanders12> rebooting....
[06:20] <holstein> hey, burg looks neat :)
[06:29] <tanders1> wireless issues with rt
[06:29] <holstein> yeah, it happens
[06:29] <tanders1> it said i was connected to the network but no interwebs
[06:30] <holstein> you can email the -dev list though about that
[06:30] <tanders1> whats the cause you know?
[06:30] <holstein> nah
[06:30] <tanders1> k
[06:30] <holstein> and i dont use it anyways
[06:30] <holstein> we really shouldnt
[06:30] <holstein> in theory
[06:30] <tanders1> the dev list or the kernel?
[06:30] <tanders1> lol
[06:31] <holstein> i guess with a modern system it doesnt matter so much anymore
[06:31] <holstein> used to be, turn off compiz
[06:31] <holstein> disable the network
[06:31] <holstein> start JACK
[06:31] <holstein> make some music ;)
[06:31] <tanders1> that would be nice
[06:31] <holstein> anyways, is it working in RT ?
[06:31] <tanders1> funny story
[06:31] <tanders1> i forgot to check
[06:32] <holstein> lol
[06:32] <tanders1> really wishing i had an ssd with all this rebooting
[06:32] <holstein> eh
[06:32] <holstein> i got one
[06:32] <holstein> a cheapy one
[06:32] <holstein> in my EEE
[06:32] <holstein> i wouldnt sweat it too much
[06:32] <tanders1> is it stock?
[06:32] <tanders1> cuz the stock ones in EEEs are crap
[06:32] <holstein> yup
[06:33] <holstein> and the "bad" stock one
[06:33] <tanders1> you can get 10s boots with vertex 2s
[06:33] <holstein> the 16GB 900
[06:33] <tanders1> anyways, back in 5
[06:33] <holstein> :)
[06:34] <ailo> holstein: Why are they bad? Performance? Just read about life expectancy. Doesn't seem to be all that determined.
[06:35] <holstein> i think the one i have is slower
[06:35] <holstein> and has much less write cycles
[06:35] <holstein> its still working though
[06:35] <ailo> I also got one. Slower, yes, but so is everything else on that machine.
[06:35] <holstein> not bad
[06:35] <holstein> just not faster than a spinning one
[06:36] <holstein> ailo: did you say you have a 901?
[06:36] <ailo> Yes
[06:37] <ailo> My keyboard has failed. Thinking about what was written on the user list just now.
[06:37] <ailo> They get pretty hot, these little things.
[06:37] <holstein> :/
[06:37] <holstein> thats sux
[06:38] <holstein> im waiting on this hard drive to fail
[06:38] <holstein> im going to boot an external USB drive
[06:38] <holstein> and make a server box :)
[06:38] <holstein> something fun
[06:39] <ailo> I had to open and remove the internal battery in order to get default bios settings so I could use an external keyboard to get into bios settings.
[06:39] <holstein> drag
[06:39] <holstein> ive had good luck with mine so far
[06:39] <holstein> i dumped coffee in it last christmas
[06:39] <ailo> Luckily there was a setting to do slow boot, so the machine picks up the keyboard before it's too late to get into bios settings.
[06:39] <holstein> had to take the keyboard out and clean it a bit
[06:40] <holstein> but it recovered
[06:40] <ailo> ok
[06:40] <holstein> i was *so upset about it last year
[06:40] <holstein> this is my daily rig really
[06:42] <ailo> I heard that flash drives can be read even after they fail to write. Hopefully this also applies to ssd.
[06:42] <holstein> i dont keep anything on here im worried about losing
[06:43] <ailo> I'm doing a mirror system, so that all machines share data. Everything is backed up at least twice.
[06:43] <holstein> rsync?
[06:44] <holstein> i need to get something like that going on
[06:44] <holstein> on my studio box
[06:44] <ailo> I would use it over the internet if it weren't for bandwidth limitation
[06:44] <ailo> Instead I use a hardrive
[06:44] <ailo> But the same system
[06:44] <holstein> right now i just move important projects that i need backed up manually
[06:44] <ailo> unison for syncing
[06:44] <holstein> and use dropbox for important things i need to get to daily
[06:45] <holstein> i have a G3 mac im going to make into a file server eventually
[06:45] <ailo> I used to use dropbox for small files. Now, I've got Sparkleshare going.
[06:45] <holstein> AH
[06:45] <ailo> Seems to work fine. Wasn't that hard to set up, actually
[06:45] <holstein> i read about sparkleshare
[06:46] <holstein> ailo: how does it rate with dropbox?
[06:47] <holstein> i like the idea of running my own server for it
[06:47] <ailo> The actual syncing seems up to par. No limitations. You can use it on your own server.
[06:47] <tanders12> im havin all kinds of fun
[06:47] <holstein> tanders12: ;)
[06:47] <holstein> whats the good news?
[06:47] <tanders12> jack crashed and wont start up
[06:47] <tanders12> any way to restart it without rebooting
[06:47] <holstein> hmmmm
[06:47] <tanders12> btw the good news is the wireless is working now
[06:47] <holstein> sudo killall jackd
[06:48] <holstein> that usually works for me
[06:48] <tanders12> and jacks starting with root
[06:48] <holstein> tanders12: if its starting with root
[06:48] <holstein> and running
[06:48] <holstein> then you can assume that you *will* get it running
[06:48] <holstein> we just have to sort out whats going on with that
[06:48] <holstein> that is literally all i did though
[06:48] <holstein> the audio video group
[06:49] <holstein> that link with the udev stuff
[06:49] <holstein> and the RT kernel
[06:49] <holstein> but, all hardware is different
[06:50] <ailo> holstein: if you try Sparkleshare and run into trouble, just let me know
[06:50] <ailo> don't think all that many are doing it yet...
[06:51] <holstein> ailo: i dont need X right?
[06:51] <ailo> X?
[06:51] <holstein> for the server
[06:51] <holstein> i can run sparkle on my actual server istall?
[06:51] <holstein> install*
[06:51] <ailo> All you need is git on the server
[06:51] <holstein> COOL
[06:53] <ailo> Sparkleshare doesn't have an automatic way to set up the server yet, but essentially what you do is: you clone your git repo into the Sparkleshare folder, than turn Sparkleshare on, and there you have it.
[06:55] <holstein> i might be able to handle that
[06:56] <holstein> sounds like a fun rainy day project
[06:57] <ailo> Hard to know if it is reliable though. Haven't done too much testing myself yet. I have an account at Github and a repo on my own server, but they are pretty inactive. From what I've read Sparklesharemay is being rewritten. Using a lot of C# right now.
[06:59] <holstein> im alright with a little glith here and there
[07:00] <holstein> well, id like to hang and get tanders sorted
[07:00] <holstein> but i gotta crash...
[07:00] <holstein> gn ailo
[07:00] <ailo> gn
[07:02] <TANDERS122>  THIS IRC CLIENT FOR ANDROID IS RETARDED
[07:02] <TANDERS122> FORCING ALL CAPS
[07:03] <ailo> TANDERS122: How goes it?
[07:03] <TANDERS122> NOT SO GOOD
[07:05] <TANDERS122> ok
[07:05] <TANDERS122> thats better
[07:05] <TANDERS122> so apparently root can see my interface but none of my software
[07:06] <ailo> What do you mean?
[07:06] <ailo> So, you tried jack as root, and it worked?
[07:07] <TANDERS122> the readable/writable clients shows "firewire_pcm" but not audacity, audacious, etc
[07:07] <TANDERS122> well it starts up as root
[07:08] <ailo> The connections stuff is another deal. Once you fired up jack, it should work. Audacity works a little weird with jack
[07:09] <ailo> For me, audacity only shows when I start playback.
[07:09] <TANDERS122> all im trying to do is pump some sound out the heaphone jack on my interface
[07:11] <ailo> TANDERS12: So, were you able to run jack as normal user?
[07:11] <TANDERS12> nope
[07:12] <ailo> holstein had to leave us, but perhaps you've got the leads on how to proceed?
[07:12] <TANDERS12> not really
[07:13] <TANDERS12> but ive learned some stuff
[07:13] <ailo> I suspect all you need is A: the right kernel B: permissions set right
[07:14] <TANDERS12> doesnt make any sens what the kernel has to do with it
[07:15] <TANDERS12> i mean asside from the obvious
[07:16] <TANDERS12> lol working in non rt again now
[07:19] <ailo> found this: https://ieee1394.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Juju_Migration
[07:25] <tanders121> could you repost that link?
[07:25] <ailo> https://ieee1394.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Juju_Migration
[07:28] <ailo> If I were you I would either try getting natty kernels to work, or revert to an older distro.
[07:32] <tanders121> k so it's working as root
[07:32] <tanders121> it'll play sound out my interface
[07:33] <tanders121> thanks for the link
[07:33] <tanders121> thats one of the ones i went through earlier
[07:33] <ailo> As long as you can do stuff as root it's just a matter of setting permissions.
[07:33] <tanders121> definitely close though
[07:33] <tanders121> yep
[07:33] <tanders121> i wonder what permissions though
[07:34] <ailo> There's some info on that page about that.
[07:34] <ailo> Permissions and ownership for /dev/fw*
[07:34] <tanders121> k
[07:34] <tanders121> well thats where ill start tomorrow
[07:34] <tanders121> thanks for your help man
[07:34] <ailo> good luck
[07:35] <tanders121> :)
[07:35] <tanders121> and holstein I see your still logged in so if you see this when you get back thanks a ton. I'm a few steps closer and I know how to install kernels now :D
[07:35] <tanders121> k cya ailo
[23:43] <cristian78945-61> Hi!
[23:44] <holstein> cristian78945-61: o/
[23:44] <holstein> welcome :)
[23:44] <cristian78945-61> How are you doing?
[23:45]  * holstein is great
[23:45] <holstein> and you?
[23:46] <cristian78945-61> not that well
[23:46] <holstein> :/
[23:46] <holstein> how so?
[23:46] <cristian78945-61> im trying to download the ubuntustudio, but all links seems to be broken
[23:46] <cristian78945-61> D=
[23:46] <holstein> hmmm
[23:46]  * holstein looking
[23:47] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/10.04/release/
[23:47] <holstein> that worked for me...
[23:47] <cristian78945-61> Oops! This link appears to be broken.
[23:47] <cristian78945-61> D=
[23:47] <cristian78945-61> is there any torrent?
[23:47] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/10.10/release/
[23:47] <holstein> too
[23:48] <holstein> cristian78945-61: which one?
[23:48] <holstein> 64bit?
[23:48] <cristian78945-61> yess
[23:48] <cristian78945-61> but i cant open links
[23:48] <cristian78945-61> :s
[23:49] <holstein> let me try the 64's
[23:49] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/10.04/release/ubuntustudio-10.04-alternate-amd64.iso
[23:49] <cristian78945-61> now i could open it
[23:49] <holstein> ^^ that just worked for e
[23:49] <holstein> me*
[23:49] <cristian78945-61> its wired
[23:49] <cristian78945-61> if i paste the link it doesnt open
[23:50] <cristian78945-61> if i goo to root link, and navigate, it opnegs
[23:50] <cristian78945-61> opens*
[23:50] <cristian78945-61> well
[23:50] <cristian78945-61> donloading..
[23:50] <cristian78945-61> :D:D
[23:50] <cristian78945-61> and going for dinner
[23:50] <cristian78945-61> thanks for your help
[23:51] <holstein> cristian78945-61: anytime
[23:51] <holstein> hope you enjoy