| mr_pouit | ochosi: I think jeromeg is on it | 06:33 |
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| mr_pouit | and yeah, we can discuss the panel more, just ping me | 06:33 |
| mr_pouit | and yeah², the first start is very slow (because of gvfs iirc); maybe jannis knows what we can "preload" to improve that. | 06:34 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: good morning :) | 08:28 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: the main thing i'm uncertain of is the bottom panel. i mean whether we really need/want it (by default) | 08:29 |
| mr_pouit | re | 09:09 |
| mr_pouit | ochosi: maybe only a dock-like bottom panel ? | 09:09 |
| mr_pouit | hmpf, that's already present in the first iteration ;-) | 09:10 |
| ochosi | hehe | 09:10 |
| ochosi | well, the problem with the "dock-like" is that in the xfce-panel we can't combine open windows and starters | 09:11 |
| mr_pouit | you mean, like windows 7? | 09:12 |
| ochosi | yeah, or like macos for that matter | 09:12 |
| ochosi | docky basically does that too | 09:12 |
| ochosi | so, you're in favor of the bottom panel? | 09:16 |
| mr_pouit | I think people are used to launcher icons, and if we put them on the top panel it will be a bit 'overcrowded' | 09:26 |
| ochosi | yes, i think so too | 09:31 |
| ochosi | i mean i don't use launchers, therefore i wasn't sure whether "the general public" needs that | 09:32 |
| mr_pouit | neither do I, but I think they use it ;> | 09:32 |
| ochosi | mhm | 09:46 |
| ochosi | so we can keep it this way | 09:46 |
| ochosi | auto-hidden by default | 09:46 |
| ochosi | so it's not too much in the way | 09:46 |
| mr_pouit | is there a meeting today? | 16:20 |
| ochosi | good question | 16:22 |
| ochosi | this would probably be the first time i could make it :) | 16:22 |
| charlie-tca | Do you have updates? | 16:25 |
| charlie-tca | I am willing to have one | 16:25 |
| ochosi | well, i'm working on a new default panel layout | 16:26 |
| ochosi | you can see iteration1 here: http://wiki.knome.fi/shimmer:xfce-panel | 16:26 |
| ochosi | feedback appreciated | 16:26 |
| ochosi | the only thing that's incorrect in that screenshot is that the windowlist would have the titles enabled | 16:27 |
| ochosi | also: we've settled on elementary as default icon theme for natty | 16:28 |
| ochosi | i'll fix it together with upstream | 16:28 |
| ochosi | i'm still working on the gtk and xfwm themes, both are not final yet | 16:28 |
| ochosi | i guess that's pretty much all the news from my side :) | 16:28 |
| charlie-tca | I am using that layout, with the addition of a third panel for workspaces. I added it to the bottom, as a "grow as needed" panel, with a space between it and the launcher panel | 16:29 |
| charlie-tca | My eight workspaces took too much room on the top panel | 16:30 |
| ochosi | hehe | 16:30 |
| ochosi | well, not sure whether eight workspaces is the typical use-case :) | 16:31 |
| charlie-tca | heh, no? | 16:31 |
| ochosi | but yes, the desktop-switcher is maybe one thing that's missing in my layout | 16:31 |
| ochosi | do you think it should be there? | 16:31 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, I need it | 16:31 |
| ochosi | mhm | 16:31 |
| charlie-tca | I think many of our users do use more than one workspace, but that is an advanced thing | 16:31 |
| ochosi | k, i'll try to make iteration2 soon and integrate it | 16:32 |
| ochosi | would you mind posting a screenshot of how your panels look right now? | 16:32 |
| charlie-tca | You do know the default for ubuntu 10.10 was 2, right? | 16:32 |
| charlie-tca | most users that are not experienced will not use workspaces at all | 16:32 |
| ochosi | yeah, i know | 16:33 |
| ochosi | that's why i didn't put the switcher there until now | 16:33 |
| ochosi | but we can try and see how it looks in the top-panel | 16:33 |
| ochosi | unless you think we don't need it | 16:33 |
| charlie-tca | I don't know if we need to add it, or just release note that the user is welcome to add it | 16:34 |
| ochosi | mhm | 16:34 |
| ochosi | about the bottom launcher panel: | 16:34 |
| ochosi | i briefly discussed this with mr_pouit recently, he said he thinks people need launchers | 16:35 |
| charlie-tca | If the user doesn't use workspaces, they won't even know it is gone | 16:35 |
| charlie-tca | I like the launcher panel | 16:35 |
| ochosi | ok, then we should focus on what we'd like to have there by default | 16:35 |
| ochosi | what do you think about having it on autohide by default? | 16:35 |
| charlie-tca | hate it | 16:36 |
| ochosi | rly? | 16:36 |
| ochosi | hm | 16:36 |
| ochosi | ok | 16:36 |
| ochosi | i thought that would be a good idea not to lose too much vertical space | 16:36 |
| charlie-tca | here's the screenshot - http://imagebin.org/130258 | 16:36 |
| ochosi | of course we can also put the second panel on the left side (like ubuntu does with unity) | 16:36 |
| charlie-tca | We have two panels in all the releases, how would changing the bottom panel to a launcher panel change that? | 16:37 |
| charlie-tca | I tried the panel on the side. It is ugly and screws up text if used | 16:37 |
| ochosi | i never really liked the two-panel layout | 16:38 |
| charlie-tca | I would really like to see orage clock replace that clock we use, too | 16:38 |
| ochosi | sure, that's already there | 16:38 |
| ochosi | i don't see a definite reason for having two panels. up to now the top panel was a complete waste if you ask me | 16:38 |
| charlie-tca | I also use the orage world time clock, as you see | 16:38 |
| ochosi | i mean a waste of space | 16:38 |
| ochosi | yeah, i like that | 16:38 |
| charlie-tca | That is clicking on orage with the middle button | 16:39 |
| charlie-tca | and then adding the timezones. I find it convenient | 16:39 |
| ochosi | your resolution is definitely high enough so that the second panel won't matter much, but people who have netbooks or <=13'' laptops... | 16:39 |
| ochosi | yeah, orage worldclock is a nice thing | 16:39 |
| ochosi | don't really get why it wasn't there by default in previous releases | 16:40 |
| charlie-tca | I wonder if we can't make the top panel shrink too, and let it grow as windows are opened and closed? | 16:40 |
| ochosi | hm, not sure, it's not something i would like :) | 16:41 |
| charlie-tca | If we used a no text launcher panel, it would work on the side | 16:41 |
| charlie-tca | That is the reason unity is icons only, I think | 16:41 |
| ochosi | yeah, i think the text-launcher panel is out of the question | 16:41 |
| ochosi | the texts are mostly too long | 16:41 |
| ochosi | ok, anyways, g2g now | 16:42 |
| charlie-tca | The way I use it, with workspaces on a separate panel, the side panel screws me up | 16:43 |
| charlie-tca | worth thinking about, though | 16:43 |
| ochosi | mhm | 16:43 |
| ochosi | in case i don't make it to the meeting you at least now the status quo now :) | 16:43 |
| ochosi | if there even will be a meeting | 16:43 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks | 16:43 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: do we want a meeting today? | 16:44 |
| ochosi | no problem | 16:44 |
| charlie-tca | I forgot to send the reminder out | 16:44 |
| ochosi | hm. so maybe we would be the only attendees anyways | 16:44 |
| charlie-tca | yeah | 16:44 |
| ochosi | guess in that case i'll find other things to do ) | 16:45 |
| ochosi | ;) | 16:45 |
| charlie-tca | Oh, yeah, I add launchers to the launchers, too. like under firefox, I have email, terminal, newsreader | 16:45 |
| ochosi | mhm, maybe we can work on a list of launchers we'd like to have in the launcher panel | 16:45 |
| ochosi | now that we've decided to have one | 16:45 |
| charlie-tca | that would be good | 16:46 |
| ochosi | and i'll try to put the launcher panel on the side and on the bottom so that we can see the difference | 16:46 |
| ochosi | (even though maybe you have to use it to see whether you like it) | 16:46 |
| charlie-tca | I think at least put in firefox, mail, thunar | 16:46 |
| ochosi | yeah, and maybe the xfce-settings | 16:46 |
| charlie-tca | I been using this launcher thing since 4.7 came to natty | 16:46 |
| ochosi | we also should think about default dimensions | 16:47 |
| ochosi | currently it's 24px top panel | 16:47 |
| charlie-tca | hm, maybe abiword too? | 16:47 |
| ochosi | yeah, maybe | 16:47 |
| ochosi | and software center | 16:47 |
| charlie-tca | I couldn't use the small panel, so I gave it up for "big" | 16:48 |
| charlie-tca | I think mine are at 40 now | 16:48 |
| ochosi | sure, your screen-resolution is high enough | 16:48 |
| ochosi | but on a small laptop-screen this would steal too much space imo | 16:48 |
| charlie-tca | even on small screens, I have to make it big to see the things | 16:48 |
| ochosi | k | 16:48 |
| charlie-tca | yeah, I am not good when it comes to deciding sizes, since my eyes are not doing good again | 16:48 |
| ochosi | sorry to hear that | 16:49 |
| * charlie-tca shrugs | 16:49 | |
| charlie-tca | just something to live with | 16:49 |
| ochosi | i'll try to discuss it with mr_pouit and maybe a few others | 16:49 |
| charlie-tca | good idea. | 16:49 |
| ochosi | k, rly g2g now | 16:49 |
| ochosi | see you around | 16:49 |
| * ochosi waves | 16:50 | |
| charlie-tca | Thanks | 16:50 |
| ochosi | oh, and in case i don't manage to stop by before that: happy new year | 16:50 |
| charlie-tca | Same to you | 16:50 |
| ochosi | thx, bye | 16:50 |
| charlie-tca | Enjoy it | 16:50 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: are we going to activate the "software-sources" menu item for Natty? | 16:56 |
| charlie-tca | Ubuntu is no longer using it since 10.10, but we could | 16:57 |
| charlie-tca | OTOH, if we use "Application Finder" for the menu, it is there under System | 16:59 |
| mr_pouit | I don't have any update =] | 17:16 |
| charlie-tca | heh, then let's not have the meeting. We will have one next week, though | 17:16 |
| mr_pouit | and I will still be in the train when the meeting starts I'm afraid =( | 17:16 |
| charlie-tca | Well, then... | 17:17 |
| charlie-tca | Have a really happy New Year's | 17:17 |
| micahg | By next week we'll hopefully have a schedule for 10.04.2 | 17:19 |
| charlie-tca | Yay! | 17:19 |
| charlie-tca | That would be really good | 17:19 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: heya, just realised that the version of the time-out panel-plugin we're having in xubuntu is really ancient, any chance we could update that from git to version 1.0 until natty? | 20:09 |
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