[00:00] <Red_> does it look like i do?
[00:00] <nit-wit> Red_,  my mistake you are correct alright you all carry on I will step out.:)
[00:00] <ShootEmUp> looks like you got 1 winload
[00:00] <ShootEmUp> thats what starts windows7
[00:00] <Red_> ok...so what does that mean?
[00:01] <ShootEmUp> the first one is windows 7 boot partition
[00:01] <ShootEmUp> what is the maker of your laptop?
[00:01] <ShootEmUp> or whatever it is
[00:01] <Red_> ok. so what are the others?
[00:02] <Red_> HP compaq
[00:02] <ShootEmUp> okay, sda3 is your recovery partitions, and the last one is HP tools
[00:02] <Red_> whats HP tools?
[00:03] <ShootEmUp> crapware HP thinks you need
[00:03] <ShootEmUp> just leave sda1,3,4 alone
[00:03] <ShootEmUp> sda2 is the one you want to shink, so boot into windows at this time
[00:03] <Red_> ok what is it though?
[00:04] <ShootEmUp> HP tools is like the BIOS updater and crap like that
[00:04] <ShootEmUp> stuff most people never use
[00:04] <ShootEmUp> don't delete it, I don't know what will happen
[00:05] <Red_> i dont even know how.
[00:05] <ShootEmUp> we are going to shink your partition via windows, so boot into windows
[00:07] <Red_> ok so the second one is the HP tools and were shrinking that one?
[00:07] <ShootEmUp> no, we will be shinking your windows 7 patition, sda2
[00:08] <ShootEmUp> but you have to do it from windows to be safe
[00:08] <Red_> ok. brb. ill keep Black on though.
[00:08] <ShootEmUp> you don;t have to, but it's slightly safer that way
[00:10] <black> K win7 is booting.
[00:11] <ShootEmUp> http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/2672-partition-volume-shrink.html, here is how to do it, but I can just tell you how
[00:12] <black> Ok that's probably better. Just let me get the irc up on my pc first
[00:12] <ShootEmUp> okay
[00:13] <Red_> hey.
[00:13] <ShootEmUp> hey
[00:13] <Red_> kk so how do i do this?
[00:13] <ShootEmUp> click on start, then RIGHT click on computer and click manage
[00:14] <Red_> Done.
[00:14] <ShootEmUp> go to disk management
[00:15] <Red_> done
[00:15] <ShootEmUp> right click on your C: drive and click on Shink Volume
[00:16] <ShootEmUp> it should Query for avalable shink space
[00:16] <Red_> Done.
[00:16] <Red_> its quarying.
[00:16] <Red_> how much space will this limit my Win7 side to? i still need it for everyday stuff as well as school.
[00:17] <ShootEmUp> Ubuntu can run on as little as 5GB, but I recomend atleast 10-15GB
[00:17] <ShootEmUp> you will set how much space to give to ubuntu
[00:18] <Red_> oh ok thats fine.
[00:18] <Red_> still querying.
[00:18] <ShootEmUp> can take awile
[00:19] <Red_> while that limit go for thing i DL to ubuntu and win7, or will they still share the extra space when it comes to DLing? (tbw its done)
[00:20] <ShootEmUp> you will have to get something that can read ubuntu partitions
[00:20] <Red_> what do you mean?
[00:20] <ShootEmUp> ubuntu can read windows partitions out of the box
[00:21] <Red_> ok.......... still dont get it.
[00:21] <ShootEmUp> but windows cannot read ext2,3,4 without 3rd party tools
[00:21] <ShootEmUp> please note READ, not WRITE
[00:22] <Red_> ok so unbuntu can read anything that windows has on it?
[00:22] <ShootEmUp> to write to windows partitions, ubuntu need ntfs-3gconfig
[00:22] <ShootEmUp> right
[00:23] <Red_> ok do i need to get it now?
[00:23] <ShootEmUp> ubuntu can write if you install ntfs-3g config, but that is done after install
[00:24] <Red_> oh so it goes in automatically?
[00:24] <ShootEmUp> no i'll tell you how later, lets shink the windows partition now
[00:25] <Red_> ok. its done querying.
[00:25] <ShootEmUp> how much space do you want to give to ubuntu?
[00:25] <Red_> what will that affect, speed?
[00:25] <ShootEmUp> no, just how much crap you can put on it
[00:26] <ShootEmUp> 15GB is good for a start
[00:26] <Red_> ok. ill go with that then. can i change this later if it comes down to that?
[00:26] <ShootEmUp> you can shink ubuntu partition just fine
[00:27] <ShootEmUp> then extend windows into that space
[00:27] <Red_> can i do the opposite and add space?
[00:27] <ShootEmUp> yes, just always shink windows from Disk Management
[00:28] <ShootEmUp> might screw up if you use gparted
[00:28] <Red_> ok got it. so what do i put in the text box to shrink it?
[00:28] <ShootEmUp> how much space can you shink it by?
[00:28] <ShootEmUp> it should say in the line above it
[00:29] <Red_> 859938 MB.
[00:29] <Red_> sorry 85938
[00:29] <ShootEmUp> about 85GB
[00:29] <ShootEmUp> how much do you want to give Ubuntu>
[00:29] <ShootEmUp> ?
[00:30] <Red_> holy crap! wasn't expecting THAT much! i guess ill go with 15 GB like you said and add later if i have to.
[00:30] <ShootEmUp> lol, okay. put in 15360 as how much to shink it by
[00:31] <Red_> ok done.
[00:31] <ShootEmUp> hit shink!
[00:31] <ShootEmUp> it might take awile
[00:32] <Red_> ok i hit it.
[00:32] <ShootEmUp> crap, I gotta go eat now, ttyl
[00:32] <ShootEmUp> be back soon!
[00:32] <Red_> kk ttyl. when will you be back?
[00:32] <Red_> oh sry
[00:32] <ShootEmUp> 1 hour tops
[00:33] <Red_> k cya.
[00:33] <Red_> hey anyone else in here?
[00:33] <Red_> hello
[00:34] <UndiFineD> yes
[00:34] <Red_> so i just started the partition of my HD
[00:35] <Red_> should it have finished already? it took like 15 seconds.
[00:35] <UndiFineD> it can take a while
[00:35] <Red_> yah but its already done i think.
[00:35] <UndiFineD> depending on the fragmentation of the windows disk
[00:36] <UndiFineD> worst case it has to move 15 gb of data before shrink can happen
[00:36] <Red_> it shows 15 GB in unallocated. so i guess it worked, but shouldn't it have taken much longer?
[00:36] <UndiFineD> it uses sector to sector copy, instead of doing it filesystem nicely
[00:37] <Red_> ....what?
[00:37] <UndiFineD> which is why, when you would boot back into windows thay ask to use chackdisk
[00:37] <UndiFineD> ... ok, so now you have empty space to partition
[00:38] <UndiFineD> is this your first time Red_ ?
[00:38] <Red_> yes. but it seems like it happened to quickly. i guess its nothing. anyways.....
[00:38] <Red_> what gave it away?
[00:39] <UndiFineD> the md5sum
[00:39] <Red_> what, a few hours ago?
[00:39] <UndiFineD> :)
[00:40] <Red_> its no secret. the people on this forum have basically been hold my hand through the install process.
[00:40] <Red_> Chat*
[00:40] <UndiFineD> well we do want happy users
[00:40] <UndiFineD> so on the empty space you can create a new partition
[00:41] <UndiFineD> or multiple
[00:41] <Red_> im glad. ive been to many forums where noobs are treated as idiots. Linux people have been great.
[00:41] <Red_> ok how do i do that?
[00:41] <UndiFineD> I often recommend using 3
[00:41] <Red_> 3 partitions? why?
[00:41] <Red_> i only need one for ubuntu.
[00:42] <UndiFineD> one for root /, one for swap (memory sized) and one for /home (user
[00:42] <Red_> um, ok. whats swap and /home?
[00:43] <UndiFineD> gnu/linux uses a swap file to store what cannot fit in memory, making it slightly bigger than internal memory so it can hybernate to disk is nice to have
[00:43] <UndiFineD> in generl only few times it is needed
[00:44] <UndiFineD> one could do without it too
[00:44] <Red_> so what is /home?
[00:45] <UndiFineD> it is the partition space where the users live
[00:45] <UndiFineD> having it separate from root ( / ) means a user filling up its partition cannot interfere system operation
[00:46] <UndiFineD> making it more stable
[00:46] <nit-wit> Red_, hows it going just checking in
[00:46] <Red_> k so root is where the root directory goes, home is where your user setttings are, and swap is for extra memory when linux runs out?
[00:47] <UndiFineD> yes
[00:47] <Red_> oh im about to set up the three new partitions on the shrinked space i created
[00:47] <UndiFineD> how much system memory do you have ?
[00:47] <nit-wit> Red_, did you remove a partition
[00:48] <Red_> No. i shrunk one.
[00:48] <UndiFineD> he shrunk windows by 15 gb
[00:48] <Red_> UndiFineD, do you mean the total HD space?
[00:49] <UndiFineD> no internal memory
[00:49] <UndiFineD> something like 1GB or 1024MB
[00:49] <Red_> RAM>
[00:49] <Red_> ?
[00:49] <UndiFineD> it is usually counted during bootup
[00:49] <nit-wit> Red_, you can't any if you have four primaries already
[00:49] <Red_> um, ok.
[00:50] <Red_> you mean RAM?
[00:50] <UndiFineD> yes
[00:50] <Red_> ok i have 2GB.
[00:50] <nit-wit> UndiFineD, this computer has 4 primaries
[00:50] <UndiFineD> ok great,
[00:50] <Red_> so, what do i do then nit-wit?
[00:50] <UndiFineD> nit-wit: really ?
[00:51] <nit-wit> Red we need to get on the correct track here. First you have 4 partitions 2 are hp formware and a boot, one os the main OS and one is a recovery
[00:51] <Red_> ok.....
[00:52] <nit-wit> Red_, have you done a backup of the OS
[00:52] <Red_> yes.
[00:52] <Red_> that bad?
[00:52] <UndiFineD> pfff recovery ... where is the time they just gave you a cd
[00:52] <nit-wit> Red_, cool so what will probably happen with a dual boot is you will loose that recovery trigger
[00:53] <Red_> i do have a backup on an exteral HD, and its more recent, so thats ok.
[00:53] <nit-wit> UndiFineD, I agree, but generally easily obtained
[00:53] <Red_> ok so now what?
[00:54] <nit-wit> Red_, I would just remove the sda3 and then you camn make a extended amd put your partitions in it
[00:54] <UndiFineD> I am thinking .. removal of such a partition
[00:55] <nit-wit> Red_, you only show a C correct?
[00:55] <Red_> only a c drive? yes.
[00:55] <UndiFineD> nit-wit: you have a link to his partitioning scheme ?
[00:55] <nit-wit> uni
[00:55] <Red_> i have it hold on.
[00:55] <nit-wit> UndiFineD, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1656275
[00:56] <Red_> oh thx.
[00:57] <nit-wit> UndiFineD, pretty regular setup if you have it covered  I will not interrupt I have just been concerned here, and this is one of my stronger ares.
[00:57] <nit-wit> *areas
[00:57] <Red_> i dont mind if you stay. its actually better to have multiple opinions.
[00:57] <UndiFineD> go ahead then I might learn a few from you
[00:58] <UndiFineD> dualboot is not my strongpoint
[00:58] <UndiFineD> I use ubuntu only
[00:58] <nit-wit> UndiFineD, The full boot files are on the main OS sda2 we could probably remove even more but just trying to make space that works.
[00:59] <Red_> my end goal is triple boot with OSx as well, but thats a long way off for me.
[00:59] <nit-wit> Red_, I would just remove the recovery sda3
[00:59] <Red_> ok. why? i would still need one more free partition.
[01:00] <UndiFineD> no, the user and swap can be in extensed partition space
[01:00] <UndiFineD> in extented partition space
[01:00] <nit-wit> Red_, are you on the Ubuntu cd
[01:00] <Red_> no im in Win7. but i can get in it if you need me to.
[01:01] <nit-wit> Red_, To build partitions for Ubuntu you will need to be on the Live cd
[01:01] <nit-wit> Red_, Windows doesn't make the correct partitions
[01:03] <Red_> ok. shootemup said not to do it from gparted, but he may have just been talking about shrinking.
[01:03] <nit-wit> Red_, so I don't know where your at if your still in windows can you take a screen shot of the disk manager
[01:04] <Red_> i guess. where would i post it/
[01:04] <nit-wit> Red_, correct on the shrinking , and also the removal of one partition
[01:04] <nit-wit> Red_, hold on
[01:04] <Red_> but aren't you telling be to remove a partition right now?
[01:04] <nit-wit> Red_, her is a imagebin.http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
[01:04] <nit-wit> *here
[01:08] <Red_> here you go: http://imagebin.org/130324
[01:08] <nit-wit> Red_, thsnkd hold on
[01:10] <nit-wit> Red_, okay you have srunk C tha s good but in order to put anything there one partition has to go I suggest the sd3 it is right next to the unallocated, and you have a backup so that would be my advice.
[01:10] <nit-wit> *shrunk
[01:10] <Red_> ok. give me a sec
[01:11] <Red_> ok so on recovery i right click and hit delete volume?
[01:12] <nit-wit> yes
[01:12] <Red_> ok. doing it now.
[01:12] <nit-wit> Red_, wont be usable with a dual boot anyway
[01:13] <Red_> you mean if i did dual boot the recovery would be destroyed anyways?
[01:13] <Red_> and its recovery (:D) right?
[01:13] <nit-wit> Red_, access to it probably would be you would be lucky if it was, the bootloaders change with the dual booting
[01:14] <Red_> ok. im deleting it now.
[01:14] <nit-wit> Red_, this D partiti?on has never shown in computer you don't have access to it correct
[01:14] <nit-wit> Red_, D only shows in the disk manager
[01:15] <Red_> yes i do. i click computer and it comes up as of of the drives.
[01:15] <nit-wit> Red_, have you ever opened it
[01:15] <Red_> yes ive made a recovery on it. why?
[01:16] <nit-wit> Red okay so it was the original D drive you made a recovery to it. You have another recovery on a external correct
[01:17] <Red_> yes. it was made on christmas day, so it should be good. in fact the recovery in the D partition is way outdated.
[01:17] <nit-wit> Red_, just being extra cautious here so no other parts of the S in D
[01:18] <nit-wit> 8OS
[01:18] <nit-wit> *os
[01:19] <nit-wit> Red_, so D has nothing but or had nothing but the recovery made
[01:19] <Red_> yes. i dont recall ever putting anything except a recovery on it. had no reason to.
[01:20] <nit-wit> Red_, so its gone now or just dekete it where are we at.
[01:20] <Red_> im deleting it now.
[01:21] <nit-wit> Red_, cool so we should at the least reboot vista just to make sure its running and booting should be it may run a auto chkdsk.
[01:22] <Red_> its win7. and whats auto chkdsk?
[01:23] <nit-wit> Red_, a chkdsk is a system check sometimes when you resize a partition it just automatically run on restart
[01:23] <Red_> ok so delete it and then restart, and it will run on its own?
[01:24] <nit-wit> Red_, correct remove that partition then reboot back to W7 we are just making sure its sound
[01:24] <nit-wit> Red_, the sda3 partion D
[01:24] <Red_> ok. do you want me to ping you when im talking to you?
[01:24] <nit-wit> Red_, sure what exactly is that
[01:25] <Red_> ...pinging?
[01:25] <nit-wit> red2kic, is that the tab for the red color
[01:25] <nit-wit> Red_, wron person oops
[01:25] <UndiFineD> 2:25am I am off
[01:25] <UndiFineD> Red_: good luck
[01:25] <Red_> s'ok. yes. the thing that makes it beep
[01:26] <nit-wit> UndiFineD, sleep the dreams
[01:26] <Red_> brb. restarting.
[01:26] <Red_> same to you.
[01:26] <nit-wit> Red_,  sur I will be on the channel and I left you a message on your thread as weel
[01:26] <nit-wit> *sure
[01:27] <nit-wit> I can't spell OMG
[01:28] <shawn146|ubuntu> halp!!
[01:28] <shawn146|ubuntu> about to go on a tyraid
[01:28] <black> Hey this is my alt for when I'm redrafting my pc. I'm on my iPod touch. And I saw ur comment, thx!
[01:29] <black> *restarting. And it booted fine.
[01:29] <shawn146|ubuntu> i can't get into a device with terminal by only the uuid
[01:30] <shawn146|ubuntu> d84b3300-5872-40dd-85f6-44a5e7be21cc
[01:30] <Red__> hey.
[01:30] <nit-wit> red2kic,  hey you in w7
[01:31] <shawn146|ubuntu> can someone help me?
[01:31] <Red__> so it booted fine. yes i am.
[01:31] <nit-wit> Red__, so we just need to boot the live Ubuntu cd and we can get you going
[01:32] <Red__> ok. ill reboot then. peace.
[01:34] <black> Linux booting takes forever. Amazing though. A full os on 2 gb of ram....
[01:36] <black> K I'm booting into trial now.
[01:36] <stlsaint> black: what distro you runnign that takes forever?
[01:36] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: you need help?
[01:37] <nit-wit> black, when you in linux lets get a screen shot of gparted.  http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
[01:37] <black> .....ubuntu.
[01:37] <shawn146|ubuntu> yesss
[01:37] <shawn146|ubuntu> been trying to in #ubuntu and #JLime for hours
[01:37] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: whats up/
[01:37] <shawn146|ubuntu> blod seat and tears lol
[01:37] <nit-wit> shawn146|ubuntu, whats the problem
[01:38] <black> Ok it's booted. Give me a few.
[01:38] <nit-wit> shawn146|ubuntu, into device what does tthat mean
[01:39] <shawn146|ubuntu> i have a compact flash device that has been partitioned into 3 partitions, i amde the partitions
[01:39] <nit-wit> stlsaint, go for it
[01:39] <nit-wit> :)
[01:39] <stlsaint> nit-wit: lol
[01:39] <shawn146|ubuntu> i can't figure out how to navigate into the folder with terminal
[01:40] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: you lost me, you just went from partitions to terminal commands?
[01:41] <shawn146|ubuntu> yea
[01:41] <shawn146|ubuntu> i am trying tog et into the device directory so i can jxdf
[01:41] <shawn146|ubuntu> or what it was
[01:42] <Red_> hey. can you repost the image dump thing nit-wit?
[01:42] <nit-wit> http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
[01:42] <Red_> thanks.
[01:42] <stlsaint> jxdf?
[01:42] <nit-wit> Red_, indubitably  "chip monks"
[01:43] <shawn146|ubuntu> trying to untar icewm-image-Mongo-08.07.08.tar.bz2
[01:43] <shawn146|ubuntu> into the folder
[01:43] <shawn146|ubuntu> i can't without sudo
[01:43] <Red_> what nit-wit?
[01:43] <nit-wit> Red_, I'm agreeing like the chipmonks due if your familiar with them
[01:43] <shawn146|ubuntu> the untar command for terminal
[01:43] <nit-wit> *do
[01:44] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: untar -xvvf <path_to_tar>
[01:44] <Red_> alvan and the chpimoks?
[01:44] <Red_> monks*
[01:44] <nit-wit> Red_,  yeah
[01:44] <Red_> lol ok then,
[01:46] <Red_> http://imagebin.org/130327 there you go nit-wit
[01:46] <nit-wit> Red_,  thanks hold on
[01:47] <Red_> im in love. ubuntu feels so much better and  less scripted than win7.
[01:47] <webjocky> grats. hope I can eventually get it up and going too.
[01:47] <nit-wit> Red_, cool thats what we are looking for so right click the unallocated and make a extended partition, the hit the run button to make it
[01:48] <nit-wit> Red_, 28 giga is okay right
[01:48] <nit-wit> *gigs
[01:48] <Red_> whats with the extra unallocated?
[01:48] <Red_> well isnt 15 normal?
[01:48] <nit-wit> Red at the end of the partition
[01:49] <nit-wit> Red_, it is just the way things are only one mib
[01:49] <Red_> yah but why not just combine them?
[01:50] <Red_> nit-wit
[01:50] <Red_> did the ping work?
[01:50] <nit-wit> Red_, no real normal size really, we can go back to W7 and extend the C back in a bit but you have 140 gigs in the C open
[01:50] <nit-wit> Red_, I type slowly
[01:51] <nit-wit> Red_,  you have a external as well
[01:51] <Red_> yah but 28 leaves tons of room to add stuff to linux. and its fine, i do to. just checking to see if it worked. and yes i do, its 500GB.
[01:51] <nit-wit> Red_,  yoj can't combine them
[01:51] <nit-wit> *you
[01:51] <Red_> ok im doing what you said to.
[01:53] <Red_> i cant make the extended partition. its not in the right click menu.
[01:53] <nit-wit> Red_, let me give you a picture hold on
[01:56] <nit-wit> Red_,  so right click then new then there is a drop down see where mine says extended choose that.http://imagebin.org/130330
[01:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> stlsaint i remember that one
[01:57] <Red_> create as>extended partition? ok.
[01:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> but getting into the actual device directory
[01:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> nautilus calls it the 215 MB Filesystem
[01:59] <nit-wit> Red_, so we do the same thing again inside the extended and make a ext 4 it is in the dropdown right below the exteded picture. But you want to have a swap how much ram do you have and do you want to use the hibernate option
[01:59] <Red_> 2 GB and what is hibernate nit-wit?
[02:00] <nit-wit> Red_, Hibernate shuts down the computer and brings it back to where you were like what was open etc, but it takes as long as booting  never use it myself
[02:01] <Red_> well then whats the point, to save power?
[02:02] <nit-wit> Red_, not sure really some people use it for what ever i don't know really it is just a feature I guess
[02:03] <nit-wit> Red_, did you get the extended made
[02:03] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: what device are you trying to get into?
[02:04] <Red_> ok then no. i can do similer things with power options o believe. anyways, here's the new gparted: http://imagebin.org/130332 so now i do the same thing to the new partition #1?
[02:04] <shawn146|ubuntu> a compact flash card
[02:04] <shawn146|ubuntu> i ahve it mounted
[02:04] <shawn146|ubuntu> *have
[02:04] <shawn146|ubuntu> on ubuntu livecd
[02:04] <ShootEmUp> hey Red_
[02:04] <shawn146|ubuntu> studioxps
[02:04] <shawn146|ubuntu> dell
[02:04] <Red_> hey. im creating the new partition extensions. im in linux now.
[02:04] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, hey man we are rioght at a graet part if you want to do this
[02:04] <nit-wit> *right
[02:05] <ShootEmUp> okay, what is it?
[02:05] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: where is it mounted?
[02:05] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, hold on we are just building the extended inside and here is a gparted shot http://imagebin.org/130327
[02:06] <shawn146|ubuntu> sdd2
[02:06] <Red_> theres a newer one above.
[02:06] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: is it at /media/sdd2 ?
[02:06] <Red_> so now i do the same thing to the new partition #1?
[02:06] <shawn146|ubuntu> well it sby uuid
[02:07] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, we removed the recovery to get a 4th for the extended
[02:07] <shawn146|ubuntu> i can see the directory in nautilus
[02:07] <Red_> like create an extended partition?
[02:07] <Red_> yah but its cool cause i have it backed up on an external HD.
[02:07] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: sby uuid?
[02:07] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: what is sby??
[02:07] <ShootEmUp> If you create a logical partition, it will automaticly put it in a extened partition
[02:08] <Red_> whats the difference?
[02:08] <ShootEmUp> for ubuntu, none
[02:09] <ShootEmUp> you can have unlimited logical partitions, but only 4 primarys
[02:09] <Red_> ok. nit-wit, i do it to new partition #1 right? or another one?
[02:09] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: if the card is mounted ad sdd2 than enter the directory with: cd /media/sdd2
[02:09] <nit-wit> a logical will only go in a extended it wont build both, there is only room for one extnded for a logical and a swap
[02:10] <shawn146|ubuntu> http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7142/compactflashext2part.png
[02:10] <Red_> so then i create a logical in new partition #1 then?
[02:11] <ShootEmUp> yes
[02:11] <shawn146|ubuntu> no such file or directory
[02:11] <nit-wit> Red_,  we are getting off track shootemup we just need a exteded filling the unalloctaed to begin with
[02:11] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, you have this correct
[02:12] <ShootEmUp> okay, make a partition in the 28GB part
[02:12] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, you want to help them finish off I can help others
[02:12] <ShootEmUp> just fill it all the way, It won't make it yet so don't worrry
[02:12] <ShootEmUp> nit-wit, sure
[02:12] <Red_> ok so my Gparted looks like this. http://imagebin.org/130332 what now?
[02:12] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, cool thanks you all
[02:13] <ShootEmUp> Red_, where it says unallocated, right click and select make new or something like that
[02:14] <Red_> why does it still say one operation pending?
[02:14] <ShootEmUp> because it hasn't done anything yet
[02:14] <ShootEmUp> It will don't worry
[02:14] <Red_> ok then...
[02:15] <shawn146|ubuntu> hmm
[02:15] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: do you get any errors?
[02:15] <Red_> ok so make new loagical or exteneded?
[02:15] <ShootEmUp> logical
[02:16] <Red_> ok done.
[02:17] <ShootEmUp> what did you set the file system to>
[02:17] <Red_> i didnt change it.
[02:17] <Red_> should i have?
[02:18] <ShootEmUp> I think it defaults to ext2, you should change that to ext4
[02:18] <Red_> is it too late?
[02:18] <ShootEmUp> no, right click and select format to > ext4
[02:19] <Red_> ok got it.
[02:19] <ShootEmUp> now we need swap, how much ram does your computer have? I think 2GB
[02:20] <Red_> yes.
[02:21] <Red_> hey is this what i want right now? http://imagebin.org/130335
[02:21] <ShootEmUp> wile I don't recomend it you can actuly skip swap, but I recomend 1GB swap
[02:22] <ShootEmUp> shink your current ext4 by 1024MB
[02:22] <Red_> while in lunux?
[02:22] <ShootEmUp> right click > resize/move
[02:23] <Red_> ok but in that pic up the re^ is everything right?
[02:23] <shawn146|ubuntu> oiyh
[02:23] <shawn146|ubuntu> being ignored everywhere
[02:23] <ShootEmUp> Red_, everything is fine
[02:24] <ShootEmUp> Open the Resize/Move on the ext4 partition
[02:24] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: is your issue resolved?
[02:24] <Red_> ok good. so i thought you said not to in linux?
[02:24] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: being ignored?? You are not responding to my questions...
[02:25] <ShootEmUp> Red_, your resizing the linux partition
[02:25] <ShootEmUp> nothing has been done yet
[02:25] <Red_> oh right sry.
[02:26] <ShootEmUp> Red_, put the "Free space following (MiB)" to 1024
[02:26] <shawn146|ubuntu> oh
[02:26] <shawn146|ubuntu> sorry
[02:26] <shawn146|ubuntu> was sayign good by to the heater replacement guys
[02:26] <shawn146|ubuntu> bye
[02:26] <shawn146|ubuntu> *
[02:26] <shawn146|ubuntu> this issue has been troubling me for hours
[02:27] <Red_> ok so i change any of ther other values?
[02:27] <ShootEmUp> no
[02:27] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: well i asked you if you were getting any errors when trying to get into the directory
[02:27] <ShootEmUp> Red_, click resize/move
[02:27] <Red_> alright. hting rezise.
[02:27] <shawn146|ubuntu> ic an'tg et in at all
[02:27] <Red_> done.
[02:27] <shawn146|ubuntu> i simply don't knwo the path
[02:28] <shawn146|ubuntu> *know
[02:28] <Red_> what next?
[02:28] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: open a terminal
[02:28] <ShootEmUp> Red_, you should have a 1gb unallocated space after your ext4 partition
[02:28] <shawn146|ubuntu> have one opened
[02:28] <shawn146|ubuntu> with a lot of commands
[02:28] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: enter the command: cd /media
[02:28] <ShootEmUp> Red_, right click on it and click New
[02:28] <shawn146|ubuntu> i see the one i need
[02:29] <Red_> 1 MiB? yes.
[02:29] <shawn146|ubuntu> ls i see all the media
[02:29] <ShootEmUp> Red_, 1GB
[02:29] <shawn146|ubuntu> d84b3300-5872-40dd-85f6-44a5e7be21cc
[02:29] <Red_> new what?
[02:29] <shawn146|ubuntu> ...
[02:29] <shawn146|ubuntu> wow
[02:29] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: so use the cd command to enter it
[02:29] <ShootEmUp> Red_, not the 1MiB space at the end of the drive
[02:29] <shawn146|ubuntu> that simple lol
[02:30] <shawn146|ubuntu> i finally got into it
[02:30] <Red_> right the one in ext 4
[02:30] <shawn146|ubuntu> ima total noob to linux
[02:30] <ShootEmUp> Red_, the 1GB space at the end of the ext4 partitioon
[02:30] <shawn146|ubuntu> what was that extract command
[02:30] <Red_> i know. so new what?
[02:30] <ShootEmUp> Red_, right click on the unallocated space and click on New
[02:31] <Red_> Iknow. then new what?
[02:31] <ShootEmUp> change the File System to linux-swap
[02:31] <Red_> logiacl right?
[02:31] <ShootEmUp> yes
[02:31] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: tar -xvvf nomnomnom.tar
[02:32] <shawn146|ubuntu> .bz2?
[02:32] <Red_> done. now what/
[02:32] <Red_> ?*
[02:32] <ShootEmUp> Click Add
[02:32] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: right click the .bz2 and choose to extract it, then transfer it over to the drive
[02:33] <ShootEmUp> Red_, now put up another screenshot, I just wanna make sure
[02:33] <Red_> "partition can not add"
[02:33] <ShootEmUp> ?
[02:33] <ShootEmUp> any erorr mesages?
[02:34] <Red_> yah give me a minute.
[02:35] <Red_> http://imagebin.org/130338 here
[02:36] <ShootEmUp> ahh, make the linux-swap on the space BEFORE the ext4 partition
[02:36] <Red_> ohhhhhhhhh sry.
[02:36] <ShootEmUp> my bad
[02:37] <Red_> k its done.
[02:37] <ShootEmUp> THEN, post another screenshot, just wanna make sure before we destroy everything (JK)
[02:38] <shawn146|ubuntu> stlsaint i did hours ago..and it said i had no permission
[02:38] <shawn146|ubuntu> thats what i need sudo for
[02:39] <Red_> here you go: http://imagebin.org/130339
[02:39] <ShootEmUp> you may now hit the green check at the top of the screen
[02:40] <shawn146|ubuntu> ok  i sudo tar -xvvf icewm-image-Mongo-08.07.08.tar.bz2
[02:40] <Red_> is this the big button that will make it go boom?
[02:40] <ShootEmUp> yup
[02:40] <Red_> k its going.
[02:41] <ShootEmUp> It may take some time
[02:41] <ShootEmUp> not long because your make new partition insted of resizing
[02:42] <Red_> its already done. whats the save details thing?
[02:42] <ShootEmUp> just to save a txt saying what you did
[02:43] <ShootEmUp> you can skip that
[02:43] <Red_> oh ok.
[02:43] <ShootEmUp> now time to install!
[02:43] <Red_> ok now what do i do?
[02:43] <Red_> YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
[02:43] <ShootEmUp> double click on the Install Ubuntu 10.10 icon on your desktop
[02:44] <Red_> how do i that? reboot and at the prompt hit install right?
[02:44] <Red_> oh ok got it.
[02:44] <ShootEmUp> no. just click on the icon
[02:44] <ShootEmUp> when you get to partitioning click on manual
[02:44] <ShootEmUp> I'll talk you thru it
[02:45] <Red_> do i install thrid party software and updates?
[02:45] <shawn146|ubuntu>   tar: icewm-image-Mongo-08.07.08.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[02:45] <shawn146|ubuntu> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[02:45] <shawn146|ubuntu>  
[02:46] <ShootEmUp> Red_, if you want to play mp3s, sure
[02:46] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: did you try sudo before it?
[02:46] <shawn146|ubuntu> yes
[02:46] <Red_> ShootEmUp, so yes to both?
[02:46] <ShootEmUp> yes, to both
[02:47] <shawn146|ubuntu> sudo tar -xvvf icewm-image-Mongo-08.07.08.tar.bz2
[02:47] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: try including the path
[02:48] <holstein> using tab-complete as you go
[02:48] <shawn146|ubuntu> where in there
[02:48] <holstein> to be sure you're pointing to it
[02:48] <holstein> *try
[02:48] <holstein> "try"
[02:48] <Red_> ShootEmUp, im at the part where is says manual. pick that?
[02:48] <ShootEmUp> yes
[02:49] <Red_> ok done. now what?
[02:49] <ShootEmUp> send me a screenshot (last one I promess!)
[02:49] <Red_> S'ok, i dont mind.
[02:51] <Red_> http://imagebin.org/130340 there you go ShootEmUp
[02:51] <shawn146|ubuntu> would it be /ubuntu/desktop?
[02:52] <ShootEmUp> Red_ scroll down to the one that is type ext4
[02:52] <ShootEmUp> /dev/sda6 I think
[02:53] <shawn146|ubuntu> ?
[02:54] <Red_> here you go: http://imagebin.org/130341
[02:55] <ShootEmUp> okay single click on /dev/sda5
[02:55] <ShootEmUp> then click on Change...
[02:56] <Red_> done.
[02:56] <ShootEmUp> Red_, select Use as: ext4
[02:56] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: can you navigate to the file?
[02:57] <holstein> the .tar.bz2
[02:57] <holstein> and right-click on it
[02:57] <holstein> view properties
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> yes
[02:57] <Red_> journal fling? done.
[02:57] <holstein> and see its path?
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> i did in the terminal
[02:57] <ShootEmUp> Red_ and then select mount point as /
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ dir
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> compactflashext2part.png	    Screenshot1.png
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> examples.desktop		    Screenshot2.png
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> icewm-image-Mongo-08.07.08.tar.bz2  ubiquity-gtkui.desktop
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~/Desktop$
[02:57] <Red_>  just / and no more?
[02:57] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: is it on the desktop?
[02:57] <ShootEmUp> Red_, also select Format
[02:57] <holstein> the file?
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> oops, didn't eman to copy entire folder
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> yes
[02:57] <holstein> i thought it was on a USB stick
[02:57] <holstein> ?
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> no
[02:58] <shawn146|ubuntu> i had to get access to a  compact flash card plugged into the reader
[02:58] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: try sudo tar -xvvf the path/the file
[02:59] <shawn146|ubuntu>  ah
[02:59] <shawn146|ubuntu> what would the path be>
[02:59] <Red_> k done. here: http://imagebin.org/130343
[02:59] <shawn146|ubuntu> for the desktop
[02:59] <holstein> sudo tar -xvvf /home/ubuntu/Desktop/whatever
[02:59] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: USE
[02:59] <shawn146|ubuntu> oh thank you
[02:59] <holstein> the tab key
[02:59] <holstein> to auto complete as you go
[02:59] <holstein> type
[02:59] <holstein> sudo tar -xvvf /ho
[02:59] <holstein> hit tab
[03:00] <holstein> then
[03:00] <shawn146|ubuntu> gotta work on that more
[03:00] <holstein> sudo tar -xvvf /home/ubun
[03:00] <holstein> hit tabe
[03:00] <shawn146|ubuntu> linux itself more
[03:00] <holstein> tab*
[03:00] <shawn146|ubuntu> it worked ty
[03:00] <holstein> so on
[03:00] <holstein> THEN
[03:00] <holstein> you'll know what you're looking for is actually there
[03:00] <ShootEmUp> Red_, hit OK
[03:00] <shawn146|ubuntu> now i need to get the updated kernal
[03:00] <shawn146|ubuntu> its in the card
[03:00] <shawn146|ubuntu> wow that was a lot of grief lol
[03:00] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: ??
[03:00] <Red_> done
[03:01] <holstein> this is a live CD?
[03:01] <shawn146|ubuntu> yes
[03:01] <shawn146|ubuntu> ubuntu livecd
[03:01] <holstein> well, i dont know what you're up to...
[03:01] <holstein> go for it :)
[03:01] <shawn146|ubuntu> lol
[03:01] <ShootEmUp> Red_, now single click on /dev/sda6, and then click on change
[03:01] <shawn146|ubuntu> i finally achieved what i was trying to do all day lol
[03:02] <Red_> ShootEmUp, done.
[03:02] <ShootEmUp> okay, change the use as to "swap area"
[03:03] <Red_> it was already on that.
[03:03] <ShootEmUp> I think It should allready say that
[03:03] <ShootEmUp> yup
[03:03] <ShootEmUp> just hit okay
[03:03] <Red_> k done.
[03:04] <ShootEmUp> Red_, we are almost done, stay in the fight! also hit install now
[03:04] <Red_> thats it? dont have to edit any of the other partitions?
[03:04] <ShootEmUp> nope
[03:04] <stlsaint> thewrath: hey man, long time no speak
[03:04] <thewrath> hey stlsaint
[03:04] <thewrath> yea
[03:05] <Red_> Done.
[03:05] <thewrath> stlsaint what you been up to
[03:06] <ShootEmUp> Red_,now finish the questions, user name and password, ect
[03:06] <Red_> kk working on it.
[03:07] <ShootEmUp> Red_, there is like nothing else, except if you want to be able to write to your windows partitions.
[03:07] <thewrath> any good free irc clients recommendations?
[03:08] <Red_> why would i want to do that?
[03:08] <aveilleux> thewrath: Xchat
[03:08] <ShootEmUp> Red_, IDK
[03:08] <Red_> then im good.
[03:08] <shawn146|ubuntu> ok backed up all the instructions and commands so i don't ahve to go through taht again lol
[03:08] <ShootEmUp> Red_, if you want to view your ubuntu files from windows, use ext2read
[03:09] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: i have to ask, what are you doing?
[03:09] <Red_> im at where you put user name and password. i filled it all out, but the forward button wont light up.
[03:09] <ShootEmUp> password don't match?
[03:10] <Red_> double checked. they do.
[03:10] <shawn146|ubuntu> oh installing JLime linux to my Jornada 720
[03:10] <shawn146|ubuntu> using a 512MB sandisk Compact flash card
[03:10] <shawn146|ubuntu> partitioned
[03:10] <holstein> OK
[03:10] <Red_> should it be better than "fair password"
[03:10] <ShootEmUp> Red_, all the boxes have something in them?
[03:10] <shawn146|ubuntu> ?
[03:10] <holstein> thats what the kernel is for then
[03:10] <Red_> ?
[03:10] <shawn146|ubuntu> why u mad
[03:10] <Red_> yes.
[03:10] <aveilleux> Red_: Make sure your username has no caps or spaces.
[03:10] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: me?
[03:11] <ShootEmUp> Red_, screenshot I guess
[03:11] <shawn146|ubuntu> yea
[03:11] <holstein> no that sounds like a fun project
[03:11] <shawn146|ubuntu> oh
[03:11] <Red_> bumer. so the best i can do is red-raven?
[03:11] <ShootEmUp> yup
[03:11] <Red_> awwwww.... oh well.
[03:11] <Red_> worked. thx.
[03:12] <aveilleux> Red_: For your username, yes. Your real name can be whatever you want.
[03:12] <Red_> k cool.
[03:13] <aveilleux> That's probably the most-often asked question in here.
[03:13] <shawn146|ubuntu> this was the error the first time i tried it (yesterday got the install process right) then it came upw itht his error http://jlime.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=3054&sid=eb6254f2e52651fb1be55d07e9fecb88
[03:14] <aveilleux> "Stuck at the window where you enter username and pass, please help"
[03:14] <aveilleux> Always the same problem.
[03:14] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: drag
[03:14] <shawn146|ubuntu> ?
[03:14] <holstein> yeah, not a straight forward install there
[03:14] <ShootEmUp> Red_, okay, ext2read link http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2read/
[03:15] <Red_> ok idk if i would use it. i might get it later.
[03:15] <ShootEmUp> for reading your ubuntu files from windows
[03:16] <aveilleux> ShootEmUp, Red_: ext2read doesn't support ext4, afaik
[03:16] <ShootEmUp> aveilleux, I does now
[03:16] <aveilleux> When
[03:16] <ShootEmUp> I use it, but ext4 support is new
[03:16] <aveilleux> When was that implemented*
[03:16] <ShootEmUp> umm, Feb
[03:17] <aveilleux> Weird, it didn't work for me a few weeks ago.
[03:17] <ShootEmUp> http://ext2read.blogspot.com/2010/04/ext2read-22-released-now-with-lvm2-and.html
[03:17] <ShootEmUp> Sunday, April 11, 2010
[03:19] <ShootEmUp> It's okay, I'm still lerning about this crap
[03:19] <aveilleux> ShootEmUp: Oh oh oh, this is just the reader. I thought you were talking about the filesystem driver.
[03:19] <Red_> Thanks so much to everyone who helped me out.  I really appreciate the patience you had with me.
[03:19] <shawn146|ubuntu> how do i copy a file by sudo in terminal?
[03:19] <aveilleux> Red_: No prob ;-)
[03:20] <aveilleux> shawn146|ubuntu: sudo cp file destination
[03:20] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: cp is copy
[03:20] <Red_> so whats linux mobile?
[03:20] <ShootEmUp> aveilleux, no problem, Red_ It been fun helping you
[03:20] <shawn146|ubuntu> oh ok
[03:20] <shawn146|ubuntu> lets see of soemthing works
[03:20] <shawn146|ubuntu> i did sudo nautilus
[03:20] <shawn146|ubuntu> will that give my sudo rights in nautilus?
[03:20] <holstein> hmmm
[03:20] <holstein> not sure about that
[03:21] <aveilleux> shawn146|ubuntu: You really want to run graphical prigrams with gksudo
[03:21] <Red_> its been fun gettin it to work. can't wait to put it to use.
[03:21] <shawn146|ubuntu> oh
[03:21] <aveilleux> shawn146|ubuntu: Sudo messes
[03:21] <shawn146|ubuntu> oh
[03:21] <ShootEmUp> Red_, It should almost be done now
[03:21] <aveilleux> Up ownership configuration*
[03:21] <shawn146|ubuntu> i got a buhc of error coding of that command
[03:21] <shawn146|ubuntu> sudo nautilus
[03:21] <aveilleux> shawn146|ubuntu: Ignore those, you'll
[03:22] <Red_> 3 minutes remaining.
[03:22] <aveilleux> Get them anyway I HATE THIS TINY KEYBOARD
[03:22] <shawn146|ubuntu> i'll-?
[03:22] <shawn146|ubuntu> lol
[03:22] <ShootEmUp> aveilleux, lol
[03:22] <shawn146|ubuntu> ok so gksudo nautilus works?
[03:22] <aveilleux> Okay I really can't keep up properly on an iPod, see you all later
[03:23] <holstein> aveilleux: hehe
[03:23] <aveilleux> shawn146|ubuntu: Yes, it will work. Just make darn sure you know what you're doing.
[03:23] <holstein> laterx
[03:23] <shawn146|ubuntu> oh
[03:23] <nit-wit> Red_, go Red go Red go.:)
[03:23] <shawn146|ubuntu> ic an't find downloads folder
[03:23] <holstein>   /home/you/Downloads
[03:23] <Red_> lol so glad i finally picked a good handle.
[03:25] <Red_> ok its going to take more than 3 min.
[03:25] <nit-wit> Red_, on the forums we generally work together to help, it is not so kosher on the RC but it worked out well here eh
[03:25] <ShootEmUp> Red_ my install took about an hour
[03:26] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, thanks for helping in the finish that is a tricky part to explain.
[03:26] <ShootEmUp> screenshots helped BIG
[03:26] <Red_> well im really glad then cause i think i would have given up on the forums. this is so much faster.
[03:26] <ShootEmUp> Got something done in a day, the forums would have taken a week
[03:27] <ShootEmUp> Forums = good for one problem
[03:27] <ShootEmUp> IRC = good for alot of problems
[03:28] <Red_> yah ive had to ask several questions for each tiny little step, and then a few more to understand them.
[03:29] <shawn146|ubuntu> who has used JLime?
[03:30] <ShootEmUp> Red_, glad I had done this before, else we could have broken something
[03:31] <Red_> im glad i took my A.D.D pill when i did this, cause know i would have.
[03:31] <ShootEmUp> Red_ lol
[03:32] <shawn146|ubuntu> OMG
[03:32] <shawn146|ubuntu> kernal panic AGAIN
[03:32] <Red_> dead seriouse.
[03:32] <shawn146|ubuntu> and nobody in #jlime responding
[03:32] <shawn146|ubuntu> this si geettign over frustrating
[03:32] <shawn146|ubuntu> for dayzz
[03:33] <ShootEmUp> Red_, okay everyone has problems. I didn't speek till I was 4
[03:33] <Red_> lol im proud of it.
[03:34] <ShootEmUp> Red_ would be like OMG WHAT THE **** AM I GONNA DO!
[03:34] <ShootEmUp> and start pounding on the keyboard
[03:35] <Red_> brb got to......take care of some buizness.
[03:36] <ShootEmUp> okay, probably has to go to the bathroom
[03:36] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: any other distros install on that thing?
[03:36] <holstein> puppy?
[03:36] <holstein> it would have to be small right?
[03:37] <holstein> what size is the HD ?
[03:37] <shawn146|ubuntu> no
[03:37] <shawn146|ubuntu> lol
[03:37] <shawn146|ubuntu> theres no harddrive
[03:37] <shawn146|ubuntu> it uses flash
[03:37] <shawn146|ubuntu> 32 MB's memory
[03:37] <shawn146|ubuntu> 15 storage
[03:38] <shawn146|ubuntu> and 15 program memory taht can be merged either way
[03:39] <shawn146|ubuntu> !!!
[03:39] <shawn146|ubuntu> did it again-_-i am about to throw it
[03:39] <shawn146|ubuntu> across the room
[03:40] <holstein> right
[03:40] <holstein> what size hard drive can you use?
[03:40] <holstein> flash?
[03:40] <holstein> or whatever
[03:40] <shawn146|ubuntu> compact flash
[03:40] <shawn146|ubuntu> idk if there is a limit
[03:40] <shawn146|ubuntu> of what is avaible for CF
[03:41] <Red_> hey. almost done. i think...
[03:41] <holstein> maybe you can get a command line buntu system running on it
[03:41] <holstein> a server or something
[03:41] <ShootEmUp> Rud_ progress bar almost full?
[03:41] <shawn146|ubuntu> it runs the Intel Strong Arm sa1011 206MHz processor
[03:41] <ShootEmUp> Red_*
[03:41] <holstein> some kind of mp3 player with an ncurses mp3 player running in a terminal :)
[03:42] <holstein> music server box
[03:42] <holstein> something fun
[03:42] <Red_> yah about a 4th left.
[03:43] <shawn146|ubuntu> lol
[03:43] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: you've got a 720?
[03:44] <shawn146|ubuntu> yes
[03:44] <holstein> hey
[03:44] <holstein> pcmcia
[03:44] <holstein> USB on that thing?
[03:45] <Red_> i can't beleive that took almost 8 strait hours of working on my pc.please tell me it can auto update?
[03:45] <ShootEmUp> You can set it to update in the background
[03:45] <ShootEmUp> so yes
[03:45] <Red_> YES!
[03:46] <ShootEmUp> It should install updates during install to, just not all of them
[03:46] <shawn146|ubuntu> nope
[03:46] <shawn146|ubuntu> but there are pcmcia cards that add the support
[03:46] <shawn146|ubuntu> along with specialized drivers
[03:46] <Red_> so what language do i need to learn to edit it? i know the apps are C++ but what about the OS?
[03:47] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: what network?
[03:47] <shawn146|ubuntu> network?
[03:47] <shawn146|ubuntu> it has a built in modem
[03:48] <ShootEmUp> Red_ most ubuntu setting are set via GUI
[03:48] <holstein> a little LAN port?
[03:48] <holstein> hmmm
[03:48] <shawn146|ubuntu> you can run wireless pcmcia cards
[03:48] <shawn146|ubuntu> no
[03:48] <shawn146|ubuntu> a little modem port for a phone line
[03:48] <holstein> i have a couple wired and wifi pcmcia cards
[03:48] <ShootEmUp> Red_ but there are command line commands
[03:48] <holstein> you got any?
[03:48] <shawn146|ubuntu> no
[03:48] <Red_> so its an interface, not a language?
[03:48] <shawn146|ubuntu> ive been looking for some
[03:48] <shawn146|ubuntu> do you have an aeronet g40?
[03:48] <shawn146|ubuntu> or 340 something
[03:48] <ShootEmUp> Red_ yes, but you can program things for it via c++
[03:49] <ShootEmUp> but I don't know how
[03:49] <thewrath> is there an admin member in here? I think i know what to do but want to verify
[03:49] <thewrath> i used to be a member and now it looks like i am not on the list anymore
[03:49] <Red_> cool. so different distros are made by editing settings?
[03:49] <thewrath> do i have to send an email to the council to get reinstated
[03:50] <shawn146|ubuntu> oiyh it kernal panicked again >.<
[03:50] <ShootEmUp> there is ubuntu based, debian based, Gentoo, Fedora, Arch, etc...
[03:50] <IAmNotThatGuy> thewrath, yup talk to #ubuntu-beginners-council
[03:50] <IAmNotThatGuy> and send a mail too
[03:50] <shawn146|ubuntu> holstein you awake?
[03:50] <ShootEmUp> Red_ its endless
[03:51] <Red_> yah but are thsoe just different presets of linux settings?
[03:51] <Red_> or did they take the source code and edit that?
[03:51] <ShootEmUp> they are differnt spins on the Linux kernel
[03:51] <Red_> oh ok.
[03:51] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: o/
[03:51] <holstein> id have to look
[03:51] <Red_> Installing system!
[03:52] <holstein> i dont think so...
[03:52] <ShootEmUp> Red_ but all are differnt in the command department
[03:52] <shawn146|ubuntu> oh
[03:53] <Red_> brb got to empty the dish washer.
[03:54] <shawn146|ubuntu> k
[03:58] <Red_> DONE INSTSLLING! YAAAAAY! thank you guys so much! brb got to restart now.
[03:58] <ShootEmUp> yup, see ya then
[03:58] <thewrath> umm what is landscape is it free when i install ubuntu or no?
[03:59] <shawn146|ubuntu> kernal panic kernal panic kernal panic!!!!
[03:59] <shawn146|ubuntu> gahh i can't take it anymore
[03:59] <shawn146|ubuntu> (kernal panic - not syncing: vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,255)
[04:00] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: what has changed?
[04:01] <shawn146|ubuntu> nothing!!!
[04:01] <holstein> the kernel that is coming with the download should work right?
[04:01] <shawn146|ubuntu> i found videos on it
[04:01] <holstein> did you try all the verions there?
[04:01] <shawn146|ubuntu> whats the apt-get package for adobe flash player?
[04:01] <holstein> hmm
[04:01] <holstein> i usually get the big meta package
[04:01] <ShootEmUp> sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree
[04:02] <holstein> ShootEmUp: :)
[04:02] <black> Ok I need someone to explain grub to me.
[04:03] <ShootEmUp> grub2 boots differnt OS, thats all i got
[04:03] <shawn146|ubuntu> ShootEmUp not helpfull
[04:03] <nit-wit> black, is it the multiple lines tha tis confusing
[04:03] <ShootEmUp> just select Ubuntu to boot into ubuntu, or windows loader to go to windows 7
[04:04] <ShootEmUp> up down keys, and enter
[04:04] <black> I'm red btw.
[04:04] <ShootEmUp> I know
[04:04] <black> Talking to nit-wit
[04:04] <holstein> hmmm
[04:04] <holstein> flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player plugin installer (transitional package)
[04:05] <holstein> i see it running sudo apt-cache search flash
[04:05] <nit-wit> black, what is it about grub that you want to know
[04:07] <Red_> Ubuntu....It's....It's....It's Alive!!!!!!!!!
[04:07] <ShootEmUp> YAY!
[04:07] <shawn146|ubuntu> nope
[04:07] <shawn146|ubuntu> :P
[04:07] <Red_> thanks guys. so what do you recomend to DL first?
[04:07] <shawn146|ubuntu> why is it installing so slowly
[04:07] <shawn146|ubuntu> in ubuntu software center
[04:08] <ShootEmUp> Red_ I like VLC for media files
[04:08] <shawn146|ubuntu> mozzilla plugin
[04:08] <Red_> yes.
[04:08] <ShootEmUp> Chromium Web browser
[04:08] <ShootEmUp> if you don;t like FF
[04:08] <Red_> sorry. I love FF.
[04:08] <shawn146|ubuntu> i like ff
[04:09] <ShootEmUp> never cared for FF
[04:09] <bgs100> vim-full
[04:09] <bgs100> :p
[04:09] <ShootEmUp> liked opera, but Chrome is better
[04:09] <ShootEmUp> Compiz Config Manager
[04:10] <ShootEmUp> let you do the Compiz effects
[04:10] <Red_> well, i got to go get ready for bed. (parents). might see you before i shut it down for the night.
[04:10] <ShootEmUp> okay, well I gotta go to bed to, night everyone!
[04:10] <thewrath> night
[04:10] <thewrath> hey ShootEmUp and Red_
[04:10] <Red_> night.
[04:11] <Red_> yup?
[04:11] <shawn146|ubuntu> ?
[04:11] <ShootEmUp> yes?
[04:11] <thewrath> just saying hey
[04:11] <ShootEmUp> hey
[04:11] <ShootEmUp> now goodnight
[04:11] <Red_> kk. be back later. maybe.
[04:11] <shawn146|ubuntu> your all going?
[04:28] <shawn146> back
[04:28] <shawn146> not on my ubuntu system
[04:29] <shawn146> hmm
[04:29] <shawn146> taht jlime is too frustrating
[04:29] <shawn146> i need someone fromt aht channelt o actually talk and not idle
[04:31] <Red_> everyone left?
[04:31] <nit-wit> Red_, your all set up eh
[04:42] <Red_> yah i still am. but not for long.
[04:43] <Red_> jsu wondering , how old are you?
[04:43] <holstein> shawn146: you might have to hang out there for a couple days
[04:43] <nit-wit> Red_, me
[04:43] <Red_> yah.
[04:44] <nit-wit> Red 48 years old and a college student again lol
[04:45] <Red_> ah. im 15 and im a freshman in high school.
[04:45] <nit-wit> Red_, cool well I only started with computing about 3 years ago so you are on a good start
[04:46] <Red_> thx. im ina web design class in the mornings to.
[04:46] <Red_> so what do you spend most of ur time on linux doing?
[04:47] <nit-wit> Red_, I do support at the Ubuntu forums like most of the members we all break something sooner or later that somebody else knows how to fix.
[04:48] <Red_> lol. what do you do to break it? it seems pretty stable.
[04:50] <Red_> it has built in proxy!?
[04:54] <nit-wit> Red_, you have a lot of control with open source at first be careful, it is pretty stable though. people get in trouble trying to lean programs out at times
[04:55] <Red_> ok. so any appps you recomend i start out with?
[04:59] <nit-wit> Red_, you want the ubuntu-restricted -extras in synaptic which is the installer in the admin where gparted was
[14:06] <akshatj> M0hi, o/
[14:07] <M0hi> hey akshatj. join #ubuntu-beginners-team
[14:25] <Timo_> Well M0hi the mplayer still gives me that there is no connection with a socket and th efile/folder is not found
[14:26] <M0hi> Timo_, try re-installing mplayer or watch whether a normal system update detects those packages as you removed audacity
[14:28] <Timo_> That didn't work.
[14:30] <M0hi> re-installing mplayer too?
[14:30] <M0hi> Timo_, ?
[14:30] <Timo_> well I'll install it from the synaptic now
[14:30] <Timo_> who knows that makes any differencve
[14:31] <Timo_> mm I found the probl I guess
[14:31] <M0hi> Timo_, also checked an update by clicking "check" ?
[14:31] <M0hi> Timo_, you found it?
[14:31] <Timo_> gnome-mplayer wasn't installed
[14:31] <Timo_> it was just mplayer being installed
[14:31] <RedRaven>  hey.
[14:32] <M0hi> hey RedRaven
[14:32] <M0hi> Timo_, see -team
[14:34] <Timo_> duanedesign: I've done the nolirc, but it still gives me the stuffa bout lirc and the no file/folder fuond :(
[14:34] <Timo_> but I thnik I found another problem :p
[14:34] <M0hi> Timo_, try it
[14:34] <Timo_> look: http://pastebin.com/V7UWJMev
[14:35] <Timo_> rtmp gives an error, that's why the .flv is not created, and that's why MPLAYER can't find the file
[14:35] <Timo_> :
[14:35] <Timo_> :)
[14:36] <M0hi> I have no clue about that error :[
[14:36] <Timo_> mm no that's not it :(
[14:39] <duanedesign> Timo_: are you using the GUI for mplayer?
[14:40] <duanedesign> Timo_: i was going to see if you could try the commnd:   mplayer -vo x11 yourmoviefile
[14:42] <Timo_> I'm the myspace downloader script, which is using rtmp and mplayer...
[14:43] <Timo_> brb
[14:43] <duanedesign> you can also uncomment the line in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[14:49] <Timo_> hi M0hi back! & duanedesign
[14:49] <duanedesign> hello Timo_
[14:49] <RedRaven> Hey sorry. had to get some breakfeast.
[14:50] <RedRaven> wont be on long.
[14:50] <duanedesign> Timo_: i was saying inside gksu gedit /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[14:50] <duanedesign> Timo_: uncomment the line :     # vo=xv,x11
[14:51] <Timo_> well duanedesign my config file is completely empty...
[14:51] <duanedesign> hmm :(
[14:51] <M0hi> duanedesign, re-installing it ?
[14:51] <duanedesign> Timo_: maybe in $HOME/.mplayer/
[14:52] <Timo_> yes duanedesign, [gnome-mplayer]
[14:52] <Timo_> that and: msglevel=all=5
[14:52] <Timo_> is in the config file
[14:52] <Timo_> not more..
[14:52] <Timo_> well and I added the things like nolirc=yes
[14:55] <Timo_> is that wrong? Should I have more info in that config file?
[16:10] <Timo_> Hey lads, I've installed the netbook-launcer, when a window is active, is there a way to configure it that way that if I click the icon in the doc, it will minimize?
[16:15] <ibuclaw> Timo_, the dock on the left hand side?
[16:15] <ibuclaw> it's not very configurable am afraid. :s
[16:16] <ibuclaw> other than adding/removing launchers, and reorganising them
[16:18] <Timo_> ibuclaw: yes that one. mm that's pitty
[16:18] <Timo_> plus I lost my 'Force Quit' button :(
[16:18] <Timo_> the upper panel is now also locked..
[16:19] <ibuclaw> Force quit?
[16:19] <ibuclaw> as in... xkill ?
[16:19] <Timo_> ye
[16:19] <Timo_> it's helpful sometime
[16:21] <Timo_> bah that launcher is so pretty, but works like nothing :P
[16:21] <Timo_> Alt+F2 is disabled
[16:21] <Timo_> searchig for apps doesn't work
[16:22] <aveilleux> Timo_: Such is the massive pitfall of the netbook interface: No customization options whatsoever
[16:23] <Timo_> aveilleux: do you know what the program is named, which is 'Run' (ALT+F2)
[16:23] <aveilleux> Timo_: Unfortunately not, I haven't had it installed in a long time
[16:25] <Timo_> okeis
[16:26] <Timo_> mm I guess mutter doesn't have that kind of stuff
[16:26] <Timo_> grr
[17:20] <stlsaint> thewrath: mike?
[17:21] <thewrath> yeap
[17:21] <thewrath> you will probably get another friend request
[17:21] <stlsaint> thewrath: why? from who?
[17:21] <thewrath> that account is going bye bye probably in the next 2 weeks once i get all of my friends moved over... that account has issues with viewing the profile and facebook is not getting off of their *** and helping me
[17:21] <thewrath> it will be from me on my new account
[17:22] <stlsaint> thewrath: yea i had a issue the first time i hit the link
[17:22] <thewrath> yea my new account does not have that issue
[17:22] <thewrath> had that issue once i got the new profile and joined the new messaging system
[17:23] <stlsaint> lol, i refuse to get that new account crap
[17:23] <thewrath> i see
[17:23] <thewrath> it looked  you had it
[17:23] <thewrath> at least the new profile maybe not the new messaging system
[17:24] <stlsaint> yea i refused to manually upgrade but one day i logged in and everything looked different
[17:24] <stlsaint> a reason im considering leaving facebook
[17:25] <aveilleux> I don't understand that mentality.
[17:25] <aveilleux> Facebook is a constant work in progress: much like many online games. It'll never be "complete" or "perfect".
[17:26] <thewrath> yea it is
[17:26] <thewrath> next thing they changed I will create my own "Facebook" with buddy press
[17:26] <aveilleux> If the developers find something that they like better, it's much easier to implement that solution than have to support many different configurations (this is like the classic console-vs-PC decision)
[17:26] <thewrath> yea it is starting to annoy me
[17:27] <aveilleux> Facebook, if anything, has *added* features over the past year and made them much easier to access. Is it different? Definitely. Is it wrong?.. well, no.
[17:27] <aveilleux> Look at the paradox of a Windows user transferring over to OSX or GNU/Linux.
[17:28] <aveilleux> It's a very different process to do many of the things in the OSs, but none of them are inherently "the best" way to do anything.
[17:28] <stlsaint> aveilleux: it comes down to a personal decision
[17:28] <stlsaint> aveilleux: when i came to ubuntu i liked it and wanted to use gnome
[17:28] <aveilleux> The developers had a problem (or an "itch", if you follow Stallman's works), and the solved it ("scratched the itch") in their own way,.
[17:28] <aveilleux> s/works/words
[17:29] <aveilleux> Stallman's latest works are less than notable.
[17:29] <aveilleux> Anyway.
[17:29] <stlsaint> aveilleux: just because they decide to use unity doesnt make it right nor user friendly or *better*, it disappoints me because i want to use gnome and they make you use unity
[17:29] <aveilleux> stlsaint: The only problem with that analogy is that the Unity team really believes it to be a better solution than Gnome Shell, not just a different way of approaching the problem.
[17:30] <stlsaint> and facebook thought that changing their layout would ame things better
[17:30] <stlsaint> s/amd/make
[17:30] <aveilleux> What issues do you have with the new design? Have you examined why they bother you?
[17:31] <thewrath> aveilleux, no one can view my profile
[17:31] <thewrath> my account exists but people get a 404 error when trying to find me
[17:31] <aveilleux> thewrath: Have you checked your security settings? Re-set your custom URL? Contacted Facebook support?
[17:31] <thewrath> second yes the first no
[17:31] <thewrath> where do I change my custom URL
[17:32] <stlsaint> aveilleux: i dont like the button changes, nor do i like the new way they post everything that you post on other peoples pages
[17:32] <aveilleux> thewrath: http://apps.facebook.com/personalurl/
[17:32] <stlsaint> aveilleux: granted i have nothing personal that i post on facebook but its no one else's business of what i post on another persons page
[17:33] <aveilleux> stlsaint: I disagree with that system as well. I've never liked the fact that it posts your commenting activity as an update; I delete all of those stupid messages.
[17:33] <thewrath> aveilleux, watch this not work
[17:33] <aveilleux> stlsaint: What button changes?
[17:34] <thewrath> aveilleux, give it a while and it will give me the page
[17:34] <stlsaint> aveilleux: how they made the status button so you have to hit it before you can post anything
[17:34] <stlsaint> and they moved the message button from the left of the page to the right in the "Send message" button
[17:35] <stlsaint> and i dont think i have the "new profile" since everytime i hit the home button i get a showing of "Get the new profile" message
[17:35] <aveilleux> stlsaint: That's really a decision made to make it easier to post URLs in status updates without posting links, etc. It made my browser lag to hell when I posted a URL that I didn't want to be a Link
[17:35] <aveilleux> stlsaint: Then... get it?
[17:35] <aveilleux> stlsaint: It's actually pretty nifty
[17:37] <stlsaint> meh
[17:37] <stlsaint> bah, all this facebook talk
[17:38] <stlsaint> i have facebook for its network abilities to contacts and family/friends, it is not a lifestyle for me as it is for others
[17:39] <aveilleux> Neither is it for me.
[17:43]  * stlsaint is going to go kill zombies
[18:07] <seidos> hi all.  question:  how does one take a screenshot in tuxtype?  i tried prtsc and it didn't work
[18:12] <aveilleux> seidos: You are referring to, when TuxType is in full screen mode?
[18:13] <seidos> aveilleux, yeah, i didn't realize there was a non full-screen mode.  when i start it up, it's full screen
[18:13] <seidos> alt-enter?
[18:14] <seidos> no, that doesn't change it to screened mode.  i don't see an option for viewing in a window
[18:14] <aveilleux> seidos: Linux doesn't handle video modechanges very well; I don't know the hotkey for changing that. You may need to edit the configuration file manually (in your home dir somewhere, I don't know the name of the specific directory)
[18:14] <aveilleux> seidos: Open your home directory and hit Ctrl+H. Look for something like ".tuxtyping"
[18:15] <seidos> aveilleux, so, solution is to run it in none full screen mode and get a screen shot that way?
[18:16] <aveilleux> seidos: It's the easiest solution, certainly. I believe the Ctrl+PrintSrc might be an automatic capture to your Desktop though.
[18:17] <aveilleux> I can't test it since I'm using a Mac wireless keyboard, and they don't have a PrintScr key.
[18:17] <seidos> aveilleux, i'll try both
[18:18] <seidos> yeah ctrl-prtsc didn't work, but windowed mode worked
[18:19] <seidos> it's just weird that the app kind of takes over gnome/xorg
[18:19] <seidos> i wonder if alt-f4 will close it
[18:19] <seidos> nope
[18:19] <seidos> it must not be a gtk app, okay, thanks for the help aveilleux
[18:38] <Red__> hey.
[18:38] <akshatj> hi
[18:39] <akshatj> Red__, do you need any help?
[18:39] <Red__> im having trouble connecting Ubuntu to a 2Wired network.
[18:40] <Red__> im putting in the code and it accepts it, but then the little signal bar symbol at the top spins for a while and it eventuallly saidd you are offline. the singal is strong though. im using it now in win7.
[18:41] <akshatj> Red__, wired or wireless?
[18:41]  * akshatj confused
[18:42] <Red__> wireless.
[18:42] <akshatj> Red__, try using Wicd
[18:42] <Red__> wicd?
[18:43] <akshatj> Red__, you can find it in the software centre
[18:43] <Red__> what is it?
[18:43] <akshatj> Red__, it is a replacement for the network manager
[18:44] <Red__> ok thx. will it still work with my old networks?
[18:44] <akshatj> Red__, it works for Wired and Wireless networks only
[18:46] <Red__> ok. why does the wireless manager need to be replaced? (sorry for all the questions. i just like to know what im doing before i do it)
[18:48] <Red__> akshatj
[18:51] <akshatj> Red__, I have heard Wicd works better for Wireless connections
[18:52] <Red__> ok thx.
[18:52]  * akshatj uses pppoeconf himself
[18:54] <Red__> akshatj whats the difference?
[18:54] <akshatj> Red__, between what?
[18:55] <Red__> pppoeconf and wicd
[18:55] <akshatj> Red__, pppoeconf is for DSL connections
[18:56] <Red__> oh wait. i can't connect to the network so i can't download wicd/
[18:56] <Red__> .*
[18:57] <Red__> akshatj 9sorry for all the separate pings. not used to using them(
[18:57] <Red__> ()*
[19:00] <akshatj> Red__, are you using 10.10?
[19:00] <Red__> yes.
[19:00] <Red__> akshatj
[19:01] <akshatj> Red__, http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/all/wicd-gtk/download and http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/wicd-daemon
[19:02] <akshatj> whoops
[19:02] <akshatj> http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/all/wicd-daemon/download and http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/all/wicd-gtk/download
[19:03] <Red__> ....what is that?
[19:03] <akshatj> Red__, download the two packages and install them
[19:04] <Red__> i can't do that from ubuntu though.
[19:05] <Red__> akshatj, how am i supposed to do that through windows?
[19:06] <akshatj> Red__,just choose any mirror to download :/
[19:08] <Red__> and the mirror will let me send stuff to the Ubuntu partition?
[19:08] <Red__> akshatj
[19:09] <akshatj> Red__, you can save the .deb files somewhere in Windows and then browse to them through Ubuntu
[19:11] <Red__> kk gtg.
[19:48] <Red__> hey.
[19:49] <akshatj> Red__, did it work?
[19:49] <Red__> im on a different network.
[19:50] <akshatj> on Ubuntu?
[19:50] <Red__> yah. im in a diffrent place.
[19:50] <akshatj> Red__, what are you waiting for then?
[19:50] <Red__> ok ill get it then.
[19:51] <akshatj> fire up software centre and install wicd
[19:53] <Red__> k its installing.
[19:53] <Red__> what the net-dev group it wants me to join?
[19:53] <Red__> NVM
[19:55] <Red__> so ive just been asking a bunch of people the, but what do you spend most of youre time doing in Linux akshatj?
[19:55] <akshatj> random stuff
[19:56] <Red__> ok. but like what in linux that you can't do in windows/
[19:56] <Red__> ?*
[19:57] <akshatj> you can't take a look at what's inside and makes things work
[19:58] <Red__> oh ok.
[20:01] <Red__> hey i gtg again sorry.
[20:49] <nit-wit> hajour, how are you
[20:49] <nit-wit> holstein, and your little dog to, "the wicked witch of the west"
[20:56] <Roydaman2> is there a way to upgrade or update Gparted to format to HFS+??
[21:01] <_schism_> good afternoon all
[21:03] <ShootEmUp> Red_, you here?
[21:03] <_schism_> can someone recomend a simple email server for ubuntu?  Just looking for somethng simple I can put squirrelmail on top of for the kids to play with here at the house and I cant figgure out which one is better for me to do so on google
[21:09] <kristian-aalborg> Roydaman2: have a look at the project homepage, they might have a download that is newer than the one in repos
[21:09] <kristian-aalborg> but check if it does what you want first, of course
[21:12] <Roydaman2> kristian i found this http://partedmagic.com/doku.php
[21:14] <Roydaman2> kristian which has an updated Gparted but when i try to sudo apt-get update it tells me there are no updates
[21:22] <kristian-aalborg> you need to add it to your sources.list, I think
[21:22] <kristian-aalborg> http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=downloads
[21:23] <kristian-aalborg> ah, it's an iso
[21:23] <kristian-aalborg> so you dl and burn it to a cd
[21:23] <kristian-aalborg> please note that I have zero experience with this program
[21:23] <Roydaman2> yea sry i didnt read the whole thing then i did and went looking for a blank cd
[21:24] <Roydaman2> i have some with gparted on linux machines all i need is a 50 gig partyition to install MAC OS X onto
[21:24] <Roydaman2> i been workin on this for 2 1/2 days now haha
[21:27] <kristian-aalborg> it can get hairy :)
[21:27] <kristian-aalborg> remember backup
[21:29] <Roydaman2> always well actually its a blank drive already i formatted it before i took it out of my other PC
[21:35] <Elise001> Hi, wifi not detected when I run Ubuntu Netbook on Compaq portable. Wifi detected and usuable when I run Windows Vista on same machine. How can I fix this?
[21:40] <ikt> hi Elise001, unlucky with your wifi woes :(
[21:40] <ikt> I'm trying to fine the page that might be able to help
[21:41] <ikt> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/internet/C/troubleshooting-wireless.html
[21:42] <Elise001> modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/..... It goes on. Trying to take screen shot with cel phone camera.
[21:45] <ikt> o_O? Are you trying to install a wireless driver?
[21:47] <Elise001> It says /lib/modules/2.6.35-22-generic/modules.dep No such file or directory.  Twice.
[21:48] <Elise001> I have not tried to install a wireless driver yet. I might need help with that, please.
[21:48] <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/642421
[21:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 642421 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Maverick could not load /lib/modules/2.6.35-22-generic/modules.dep (affects: 230) (dups: 3) (heat: 1116)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[21:49] <ikt> that is a massive bug
[21:49] <Elise001> Thank you. I will look at that webpage on my Samsung netbook running Windows Vista.
[21:49] <Elise001> I will stay connected to #ubuntu-beginners.
[21:50] <ikt> what type of compaq laptop do you have?
[21:50] <Elise001> Looking. I got it for cheap recently.
[21:51] <ikt> tbh I thought compaq went out of business years ago
[21:51] <ikt> compaq seems to be hp now
[21:52] <Elise001> On the bottem it says Model P/N: AT8-C2(C Test) 1AT8B5UTP20
[21:53] <Elise001> It also says CPU: AMD Turion TM 64 Mobile TL-50 (1.6 GHz, 512KB L2
[21:54] <Elise001> I paid $150 and the $ went to a school. Good deed. I'd like to run Ubuntu on it.
[21:54] <ikt> hrm, can't find that model
[21:55] <ikt> if you run in terminal: sudo lshw -C network
[21:55] <Elise001> It says other stuff on label on bottom, like Wireless: 802.11bg (Huskers), it that is any help.
[21:56] <Elise001> By terminal, do you mean command line? I can sign in.
[21:56] <ikt> yep
[21:56] <Elise001> And it came " as is" with no documentation or CD's.
[21:57] <ikt> the huskers doesn't mean anything :(
[21:57] <ikt> 802.11bg is the type of wireless it can connect to
[21:57] <ikt> 802.11bg is fairly normal
[21:57] <Elise001> I will sign in. I mean log in.
[21:58] <Elise001> There is a small switch on the front. I havbe it in the position that works for Windows Vista. Blue light instead of orange.
[21:59] <Elise001> How do I get to terminal via drop down menu, please?
[22:00] <ikt> Applications > Accessories >
[22:00] <Elise001> I see. Accesseries, then Terminal.
[22:00] <ikt> yep :)
[22:02] <Elise001> I typed in "sudo lshw -C network" and then keyed in my password.
[22:03] <Elise001> The system printed a bunch of info, starting with description: Network controller.
[22:03] <Elise001> What do you want to know?
[22:03] <ikt> the product
[22:03] <aveilleux> Elise001: Pastebin it.
[22:04] <ikt> or do that
[22:04] <ikt> yeah
[22:04] <aveilleux> !pastebin | Elise001
[22:04] <ubot2> Elise001: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[22:04] <ikt> pastebin, I forgot about that
[22:04] <Elise001> *-network; dsecription: Network controller; product:
[22:06] <Elise001> product: BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN; vendor: Brodacom Corp.; physical id:0
[22:07] <Elise001> Do I type "/pastebin?
[22:08] <ikt>  http://paste.ubuntu.com
[22:08] <Elise001> Any other info you need?
[22:08] <ikt> yeah if you can copy it all
[22:09] <ikt> that makes it easier
[22:09] <aveilleux> Elise001: Having trouble installing wireless?
[22:09] <ikt> yeah pretty much
[22:09] <ikt> i'm just trying to get what wireless chipset they have
[22:09] <aveilleux> Elise001: If you have a hardwire connection, you can just go to System > Administration > Additional Drivers and install the Broadcom STA driver
[22:10] <Elise001> I went to //paste.ubuntu.com on my working computer.
[22:10] <aveilleux> Elise001: Can you get a hardwire connection to the laptop in question?
[22:10] <aveilleux> Elise001: As in, ethernet cable
[22:10] <aveilleux> ....why does Xchat think that "ethernet" is not a word
[22:10] <Elise001> Yes.
[22:10] <ikt> http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10293481 <- aveilleux
[22:11] <aveilleux> Elise001: Then do what I mentioned above, and it should work
[22:11] <aveilleux> Oh.
[22:11] <Elise001> I use that yellow cable when I visit my friends who do not have wifi.
[22:11] <aveilleux> OH. God not one of those stupid switches.
[22:12] <Elise001> Hardware swithches?
[22:12] <Elise001> Getting the cable now.
[22:12] <aveilleux> I have no issue with hardware switches: I take issue with toggle switches.
[22:12] <aveilleux> As in, not an ON/OFF slider... a spring-loaded switch that you tab to turn something on or off
[22:13] <ikt> yeah
[22:13] <aveilleux> My laptop as an ON/OFF slider and it's great
[22:14] <ikt> ohh
[22:14] <ikt> the ones where you slide it to the right and it flicks back/
[22:14] <aveilleux> Yeah
[22:14] <aveilleux> I hate those
[22:16] <ikt> :<
[22:16] <aveilleux> They usually depend on hardware/software interaction, and if the hardware's off when the software thinks it's on, then flicking the switch will just shut the software off and turn the hardware on.
[22:17] <aveilleux> It's more common than you might think.
[22:18] <Elise001> Using Ethernet cable, Firefox works. I am able to read my GmAIL. Thank you for a partial solution.
[22:19] <ikt> yeah my acer had it, was a nightmare, only netbook I've had where I had to manually right click on the wireless icon > turn wireless on, every single time I logged in
[22:19] <ikt> Elise001, if you go System > Admin > Hardware drivers
[22:19] <ikt> is there anything listed?
[22:20] <ikt> addtional drivers*
[22:20] <Elise001> It would still be nice to use wireless with the Compaq when running Ubuntu. I really like Ubuntu. I'll tell you why briefly later, if you like.
[22:20] <aveilleux> Elise001: You can install the wireless drivers using the Additional Drivers utility, then you won't need a cable.
[22:21] <Elise001> Moved the Samsung next to Compaq. I'll look.
[22:22] <Elise001> Going to system->admin->additional drivers
[22:23] <ikt> yep
[22:23] <Elise001> The system is downloading and updating packages indexes, it says that.
[22:23] <aveilleux> That's good.
[22:24] <Elise001> It says that No proprietary drivers are in use on this system.
[22:24] <aveilleux> Ack, that's not good.
[22:24] <Elise001> I think it finished.
[22:24] <Elise001> I'll close the white window that said that.
[22:25] <Elise001> Actually, I clicked on Help in the window. Let's see what that does.
[22:25] <aveilleux> Elise001: Oh, I think you need to activate the Universe repositories.
[22:26] <aveilleux> Elise001: Go to System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager
[22:26] <aveilleux> Elise001: Then go to Settings > Repositories
[22:26] <Elise001> A window popped up saying it wants to install updates. I'll let it.
[22:27] <aveilleux> Elise001: May as well, but do this afterward (ignore a reboot if it needs one)
[22:27] <aveilleux> Elise001: Check all the boxes on the first tab except "Source code", and hit Close. Hit Reload.
[22:27] <aveilleux> Elise001: Then you should have the Universe repositories available.
[22:30] <Elise001> I did that. Thanks.
[22:31] <Elise001> It still says No package is selected in the Synaptic Package Manager box. Should I restart?
[22:31] <aveilleux> Elise001: The updates ran? Then yes
[22:33] <Elise001> Unplugging Ethernet cable too so can test wifi connection.
[22:33] <Elise001> Starting.
[22:34] <Elise001> Selecting Ubuntu
[22:34] <aveilleux> Elise001: Er, if you didn't install the driver then it won't work. The driver won't be included as a part of the normal updates.
[22:34] <Elise001> Still get that Could Not Load msg twice.
[22:35] <Elise001> Typing in my password. Ubuntu music played.
[22:35] <Elise001> Now will try to run Firefox.
[22:36] <Elise001> Server not found. Drats. No wireless detected.
[22:37] <Elise001> Auto etho connection established when I plug back in Ethernet cable.
[22:38] <Elise001> Starting update mgr.
[22:39] <Elise001> Applying changes.
[22:40] <Elise001> This could take a few minutes. Thanks for your patience.
[22:42] <Elise001> By the way, I'd like to learn enough about Ubuntu so I could help others like you are doing.
[22:42] <Elise001> I do have a technical background and I am a ham, KI6PUO.
[22:43] <Elise001> And I am studying Perl with the new Civil Hackers School of SF now.
[22:44] <Elise001> I used to program for a living. I stopped but I am getting back into it.
[22:48] <Elise001> Downloaded 164MB of 217MB at 218 kB/s
[22:50] <Elise001> 200MB
[22:54] <Elise001> The screen just went crazy.
[22:56] <Elise001> Had to remove battery and put back in. Restarting Ubuntu.
[22:57] <Elise001> Ubuntu music played.
[22:58] <Elise001> This time it wants to do partial upgrade. I'm doing that.
[22:59] <Elise001> Not all msgs look good.
[23:01] <Elise001> 4 new packages are going to be installed. 180 packages are going to be upgraded. Could take several hours.
[23:01] <aveilleux> Elise001: That's the only problem with a new Ubuntu system -- lots of updates.
[23:02] <Elise001> I remember from my Toshiba that died.
[23:02] <Elise001> Now it says 3 minutes remaining. I hope so.
[23:08] <Elise001> Setting up software-center (3.0.7)
[23:10] <Elise001> Restarting system as recomended.
[23:11] <Elise001> Still get those Could not load msgs.
[23:11] <Elise001> Got the music.
[23:12] <Elise001> Update mgr says no updates to install.
[23:22] <Elise001> Still no wifi. Any suggestions towards getting wifi to work, please?
[23:23] <Elise001> Interesting. Wifi working. But wifi on top says not.
[23:23] <Elise001> Firefox lets me read my Gmail after I unplugged Ethernet cable.
[23:23] <aveilleux> Elise001: Does it say "Not managed"?
[23:24] <Elise001> Firefox stopped working again.
[23:24] <aveilleux> Elise001: That's a really common bug. Open up Terminal (Applications > Accessories > Terminal) and type: gksudo gedit /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf #(caps is important)
[23:25] <Elise001> No caps?
[23:25] <aveilleux> Elise001: Once the text editor opens up, change the line down at the bottom that says "managed=false" to "managed=true" (without the quotes)
[23:25] <aveilleux> Elise001: No, you must include the caps I typed.
[23:25] <aveilleux> Elise001: Linux is case-sensitive.
[23:29] <Elise001> Did that. Thanks.
[23:30] <Elise001> Restarting Firefox.
[23:30] <aveilleux> Elise001: Then in order for network-manager to handle your wireless, you'll need to log out and log back in. I don't know if that's still the case, though... it's been a while
[23:31] <Elise001> No wifi. So restarting computer.
[23:32] <Elise001> Same Fatal Could Not Load msgs. But they do not appear to be fatal after all.
[23:33] <Elise001> I got a msg about battery could be old or broken. 1.1%.
[23:34] <Elise001> Starting Firefox.
[23:34] <stlsaint> Elise001: yea mine is at 19.7% :D
[23:34] <Elise001> Unchecking Work offline.
[23:35] <Elise001> Can't find www.google.com.
[23:35] <aveilleux> Elise001: Are you connected in the corner of the screen? Ubuntu won't automatically connect you to the nearest wifi.
[23:35] <Elise001> Oh well.
[23:36] <Elise001> Up the top when I put curser over wifi symbol, it says No Network Connection.
[23:36] <aveilleux> Elise001: Then... click on it and select a network.
[23:36] <stlsaint> aveilleux: if you have connected to the wireless network before than yea it will automatically connect on startup
[23:36] <aveilleux> stlsaint: But we just got the wireless drivers working.
[23:36] <stlsaint> roger dodger
[23:36] <Elise001> When I click on the wifi symbol, it only highlights VPN Connections.
[23:37] <aveilleux> wait, Elise001, did you go back and install the broadcom driver in Additional Drivers?
[23:37] <Elise001> I think I did not. Sorry, but how do I do that again?
[23:38] <Elise001> Going to system-> additional drivers now.
[23:38] <aveilleux> Elise001: Here's an easier way. Open Terminal again. run "sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source" (without the quotes). that way, even if the app doesn't detect it, the drivers will be installed anyway.
[23:38] <Elise001> It says No proprietary drivers are in use on this system. I will read rest of box.
[23:40] <aveilleux> Elise001: Does your laptop have a hardware switch for turning the wireless on and off?
[23:40] <Elise001> Looks like there are 2 Nividea drivers and 2 Broadcom drivers I can install.
[23:41] <Elise001> Yes to switch. And it is turned on.
[23:41] <aveilleux> Elise001: Oh, yeah. Go and install the latest nvidia (highest number) and both of the broadcom (I assume STA and firmware kernel)
[23:41] <Red__> hey.
[23:42] <Elise001> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/..... It goes on. I think I need to reattach Ethernet cable. Will do so.
[23:42] <aveilleux> Elise001: Oh, yeah, you'll need that.
[23:43] <Red__> is there a way to transfer book marks from EI in windows to FF in Linux?
[23:43] <Elise001> White box frozen. Have to restart.
[23:44] <aveilleux> Red__: Not effectively. You can transfer them from IE to FF in Windows, then copy the profile from Windows to Linuz
[23:44] <aveilleux> Linux*
[23:44] <aveilleux> s/effectively/directly
[23:45] <Red__> thanks. hey nit-wit.
[23:47] <nit-wit> Red__, hey I saw you on earlier you get everything going
[23:48] <Red__> oh yah. I love it. can't wait to really get in. got compiz installed. amazing
[23:49] <Red__> what im looking for now is a good article on basic line comands for the terminal.
[23:50] <nit-wit> Red__, here is a good starter download of a pdf probably. http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/index_main.html
[23:51] <Red__> yah i have that in my bookmarks. which i mistakenly left in IE on the windows side.....
[23:54] <Elise001> I am doing the sudo.
[23:55] <Elise001> It ran. Will restart.
[23:57] <nit-wit> Red__, I haven't read it I learned what I know by trial and error and hanging out at the Ubuntu forums and watching how things go. I have a lot of free time though so t has been a fun learning experience.
[23:58] <Red__> yah. well my winter break is almost over and then hello mid-term exams. anyways, ill probably look up an article in a minute. but once i go into windows and put the EI bookmarks in FF, how do i transfer them to FF in linux?