[08:32] <glick> is there a japanese ubuntu offtopic channel?
[08:33] <glick> どのように私はオフのトピックチャネルになるのですか？
[08:34] <glick> 誰もがここですか？
[08:35] <hito_jp> yes?
[08:35] <glick> hi hito_jp
[08:36] <glick> is there a japanese ubuntu offtopic channel?
[08:37] <hito_jp> This channel is acceptable off/on-topics.
[08:39] <glick> the reason i ask is because i wanted to ask someone in japan if water ionizers are popular there. some sales person wanted to sell me one and told me they are very popular and widespread in japan
[08:40] <glick> wanted to see if anyone knows anything about this
[08:40] <hito_jp> hmm....
[08:41] <glick> this so called "kangen" water
[08:42] <glick> hi jkbys
[08:43] <hito_jp> In Japan, water filters(e.g.: Brita)  are popular.
[08:43] <glick> no Enagic?
[08:44] <hito_jp> yes.
[08:45] <hito_jp> I'm afraid so, some "ionized" water units are vicious business.
[08:45] <glick> but their claims are junk science
[08:45] <glick> they claim that the japanese ministry of health, labour, and wellness has approved them for use in hispitals and such
[08:45] <glick> they seem like a multi-level marketing scam to me
[08:46] <hito_jp> Not to mince words, they are *rogue*.
[08:47] <glick> rogue?
[08:47] <glick> what do you mean?
[08:48] <glick> you've head of them though?
[08:48] <hito_jp> I think it's a fraud.
[08:48] <glick> i cant find a single independant, credible white paper or clinical study that backs up their claims
[08:48] <glick> and this lady came to my mom, saying this thing is revolutionary from japan, and cures everything from diabetes to cancer
[08:48] <glick> so naturally i became skeptical
[08:49] <glick> and they cost $4,000
[08:50] <hito_jp> Ah, You are caught up in the scam. In Japan, *some* people believe "ionized" water power. But that is based on junk-science.
[08:52] <glick> i emailed the japanese ministry of health to see what they have to say about the matter
[08:52] <hito_jp> http://www.caa.go.jp/trade/pdf/100427kouhyou.pdf
[08:53] <glick> whats that about? i cant read japanese
[08:53] <glick> whats the gist of what it says?
[08:54] <hito_jp> By Consumer Agency(In Japan) said: Enagic use illegal business practice, we shutting down for 9 month.
[08:54] <glick> ah
[08:54] <glick> hmm interesting
[08:54] <glick> thanks
[08:59] <hito_jp> But, to be honest, for what it's worth, "former Prime Minister Abe like enagic water". That is indivisual freedom.
[09:00] <hito_jp> Keep one thing perfectly clear, enagic is shutting down by consumer protection law.
[09:00] <glick> heh Abe must have been a kook
[09:00] <glick> lol
[09:00] <hito_jp> So, I think that is fraudulent moneymaking scheme.
[09:00] <glick> yeah i agree
[09:04] <glick> where in japan do you live?
[09:06] <glick> the best water filter is a 5 or 6 level reverse osmosis filter with a post mineral bed filter
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