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jacobwdoes anyone know if there is a public noscript force https xml file?00:10
jacobwwith entries for common websites etc00:10
niallIs it possible to move an existing Ubuntu install from one hard drive to another pair of hard drives and simultaneously upgrade the filesystem to mdadm RAID1?00:54
penguin42i don't think there is an automagic way of doing it, I can imagine you could get it to do it - the trickiest bit is probably getting the RAID config just right and in the initrd00:55
niallAppreciably, the /boot partition must be regular ext3/4 on both RAID component drives, and swap should just be regular swapfs, but I assume everything else can be upgraded as such?00:55
penguin42swap can be a swap partition within the md raid00:56
niallCan the Ubuntu installer setup a software RAID1?00:56
penguin42I think so, you may need the alternate CD00:56
niallOkay. So probably best to just do a fresh install?00:57
penguin42best unless you're desperate00:57
niallI currently store all my data on a pair of RAID1 arrays so all I'd be losing is some extra packages and some config but there's nothing extensive.00:57
* niall nods00:57
niallGreat stuff. Upgrading the OS drive from a single 80GB IDE to a pair of 1.5TB SATA has been playing on my mind for a while. :)00:58
penguin42hehe - give you a bit more breathing room00:58
niallYes indeedy. I have 4x1.5TB in RAID1 pairs for data atm but they're almost maxed out. More importantly, relying on an old IDE drive for the OS just seems silly by comparison.01:00
ionwind_hello01:36
ionwind_i need someone who understant testdisk01:36
* ball begins the long slow task of downloading Ubuntu Server07:59
MartijnVdSball: ah, US still doesn't have >dialup? :P08:00
ballMartijnVdS: I meet a surprising number of people who are still on dial-up.  That's because I have a rural customer base though.08:01
ballI'm on DSL, so it's coming down at about 600 kbits/sec08:01
ballI could probably speed that up a bit too.08:01
* ball turns up the knob08:03
ballNow up to 713 kbits/sec08:03
danfishgood last morning of 2010!09:00
MartijnVdS\o09:10
Phineasi have returned09:10
PhineasMartijnVdS,  did you get your kindle?09:11
MartijnVdSyou ordered one for me? how nice of you!09:12
ApacheukMorning all09:12
ApacheukI love my Kindle09:12
PhineasMartijnVdS,  well... yesterday you were saying 'kindle be here' like you have one waiting for you09:13
MartijnVdS12:26 < bigcalm> Kindle be here :D09:13
* MartijnVdS != BigRedS 09:13
MartijnVdSuhr09:13
* MartijnVdS also != BigRedS 09:13
MartijnVdSuhr09:13
danfishpopey: very nice blog re offlineimap - just installed it with your instructions and working a treat :)09:13
* MartijnVdS hats tab-completion when the to-be-tab-completed person isn't there :)09:14
popeyexcellent danfish !09:14
PhineasMartijnVdS,  oh, my bad. you may be my random winner i sent a kindle to (random valid address)09:17
Phineasyou just have to wait and see (valid to US residents only009:18
Phineas)09:18
* Phineas is working on his own movie (non-cartoon)09:27
Phineaswnt to know more?09:28
popeyno09:28
screen-xmorning :)09:29
popeyhi screen-x09:29
Phineaspopey,  i though you guys would like to know about my movie (with outakes at the end)09:29
popeyno09:30
popeytake it to #defocus09:30
Phineaspopey,  is that all your gonna say to me09:30
Phineaspopey,  mabe when eir give voie to me i will09:30
popeyright, and until then, that doesn't make this channel the alternative to #defocus for your inane whitterings09:32
Phineas.... or whatever i like to call them09:33
Phineasdid my quit message work09:35
Phineasor has it ever worked09:36
Phineasor am i in the wrong channel again09:39
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daubersMorning09:45
popeylo09:45
* daubers is pondering a trip to newbury today09:46
daubersdepends if the M&S there has my alarm clock09:47
screen-xhi daubers :)09:47
screen-xno suitable webOS alarm clock?09:47
daubers:p09:48
daubersDoesn't do DAB09:48
* popey hugs TuneIn Radio on iPad :)09:48
screen-xI'm sure you could get it to stream something... someone here was developing a javascript alarmclock, bigcalm?09:48
Phineaspopey,  you have an ipad?09:49
popeyyes09:49
daubersHmmm..... also I'd feel happier with a normal alarm clock. Need to replace the one that came free with the elf DVD09:49
Phineaspopey,  do they work as a phone?09:50
Phineaspopey,  do ipads work as a phone?09:51
screen-xPhineas: I'm pretty sure you know the answer to that.09:51
popeyhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/27/ipad_comment/ "Apple's iPad - fat iPhone without the phone"09:52
Phineaspopey,  oh i thought they did, but that would be silly09:53
screen-xdepends if you include BT headset + voip in "working as a phone"09:53
Phineasscreen-x,  i mean puting it up to your ear and using it as a phone would be silly and pointless09:54
buzz_not as pointless as this discussion :)09:55
Phineasbuzz_,  i'm just wondering09:56
popey:)09:56
Phineascome to think of it this convo is pointless09:57
popeya common theme09:57
buzz_5 year old+ acer travelmate 8104 needing new lcd (backlight is on way out, and its built into the screen part afaik). new lcd with same res £95.. one with lower res £75... is it worth it..09:57
Phineaspopey,  i have notaced09:58
screen-xbuzz_: what are the two resolutions?09:58
buzz_1280x800 and 1600x1050 (which i have currently).09:58
buzz_but is it even worth replacing. i wonder how much the laptop is even worth09:58
popeythats quite a difference09:58
* Phineas has 1280x80009:58
buzz_i recently bought a new hd, and keyboard for the laptop, so perhaps a new screen is worth it just because i already spent money on it09:59
buzz_then again http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/acer-travelmate-8100-8104wlmi-laptop-2ghz-100gb-15-4-/11061217577309:59
Phineasbut my laptop it called a widescreen but its not so much a widescreen these days09:59
buzz_sold for £95. argh09:59
buzz_so my laptop is worth £100 and the fix is £100. damnit.10:00
daubersBah not in stock10:00
Phineasis 15.4" big10:00
buzz_yeh10:00
screen-xbuzz_: so the question is.. can you get a slightly better specec laptop for the price of a screen replacement?10:00
screen-x*specced10:01
buzz_screen-x, nope.10:01
buzz_screen-x, good point10:01
daubersbuzz_: Can't you jus get one of those laptops with a working screen and something else broken on ebay?10:01
buzz_daubers, that would be the best bet i guess, and hope that noone else used the machine as much as i did, so it has some life left.10:01
Phineasdaubers,  ebay has good brgens10:01
buzz_i think im going to get a desktop machine and a decent monitor. been using laptop for years, but i hardly need one now.10:02
screen-xbuzz_: I decided to go with a desktop. Though I now want to fix an old laptop for the occasions when I need a luggable.10:03
buzz_screen-x, happy with moving to desktop? least you dont have the problems i have now. or they are simpler to solve.. i think ill do the same, fix this up, and use it occassionally10:04
screen-xbuzz_: yeah happy with the desktop, moar pixels :D10:04
buzz_:)10:04
MartijnVdSso it's easier to see things are shopped10:04
screen-xMartijnVdS: I'm not so good at that (unless its really obvious..) link?10:05
buzz_what do you have ? i was thinking some mb, i5, nvidia 450 gts or something around £10010:06
* MartijnVdS has an i3, and it10:08
MartijnVdS's SLOW10:08
MartijnVdSbut that might just be the driver10:08
buzz_im on pentium m 2ghz now, so most things would be an upgrade for me :)10:08
screen-xbuzz_: I have quite an old desktop,  celeron 2.66, 2gb ram, 2x750gb disk, 1920x1200  monitor.10:10
MartijnVdSI want an i5-661 (with a 900MHz GPU instead of 733MHz)10:11
buzz_screen-x, nice res screen :) im thinking 24" would be nice here..10:12
screen-xbuzz_: it is just about powerful enough to run hugin's gl preview full screen :)10:13
daubers\o/ hugin10:13
screen-xlooks promising: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Apple-Powerbook-G4-Alluminium15-2-Spares-Repairs-/200559749701?pt=UK_Computing_Apple_Laptops_ET&hash=item2eb24aea45#ht_500wt_104010:13
daubersscreen-x: Need a screen?10:14
buzz_aah. hugin, i used that before10:14
screen-xdaubers: yep10:14
screen-xdaubers: A109510:14
buzz_was impressed how easy it was to make a panorama on it10:14
nperryHmmmmm diaspora is very intresting10:16
screen-xdaubers: hugin https://photos-2.dropbox.com/i/o/mRL77pUGn-88ycmTbq3jkVQRd0B9YTc5Dkxre0xYw6A/4194155/1293879600/45e276410:20
daubersscreen-x: Nice :)10:22
screen-xIts quite noisy as there wasn't much light in there, but hugin did a very good job of the stitching :)10:22
daubersscreen-x: Hugin _monster_ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattdaubney/4270977863/10:23
screen-x66!10:23
daubersYup :)10:23
daubersThat would be 12788 x 492210:23
screen-xI did one that was 34....10:23
Phineasthat worked10:24
screen-xdaubers: Did you do exposure stacking/hdr?10:24
danfishdaubers: what were you doing? Photoing each branch individually :P10:24
daubersscreen-x: No, just took loads with a zoom lens to see how big a pano hugin could handle10:25
daubersscreen-x: Turned out it's quite a big pano.....10:25
screen-xyep.. hugin is awesome :)10:26
daubersThis was from my backgarden in the last house I was in in Swansea http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattdaubney/3250527530/10:26
screen-xdaubers: :) shame flickr won't let you view a larger res.10:28
daubersscreen-x: actions -> view all sized10:28
dauberss/sized/sizes10:28
daubersor http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattdaubney/3250527530/sizes/o/ :)10:28
screen-xahh that's better ;-)10:29
markfDoes anyone here know how i could get 'pstack' for 10.04 64bit? Only appears to exist for 32bit.... i don't mind compiling from source if i have to just i can't even find that to download .... probably because its more a Redhat thing?10:33
marsilainenI think I prefer thunderbird to evolution10:35
buzz_a panorama i made some years ago. first ever use of hugin http://malus.exotica.org.uk/~buzz/panorama.jpg10:48
screen-xbuzz_: nice vivid colours, looks like a brochure shot :)10:49
buzz_thanks. well. pretty basic camera really. maybe i got lucky :)10:49
buzz_hugin did the hard work :D10:50
dwatkinsgrrr, I'm really annoyed with city link right now for their failure to deliver10:51
daubersdwatkins: City Link are a bit rubbish10:52
dwatkinsdaubers: understatement :(10:52
daubersdwatkins: Last time they failed to deliver a package of mine I charged them for the fuel to come collect it + my time (as I proved without a doubt they hadn't attempted delivery)10:52
daubersHooray for loggin doorbell!10:53
screen-xdaubers: brilliant10:53
buzz_daubers, and they paid up etc ?10:53
daubers"We tried to deliver at about 1pm" "Nope, no-one rang the bell until 4"10:53
daubersbuzz_: If you wait until they're busy and just sit there until they agree then hey'll give you anything to go away10:53
buzz_daubers, nice. and how have you logged doorbell rings ?10:54
daubersbuzz_: http://daubers.co.uk/2008/02/06/bluetooth-xmpp-doorbell/10:54
daubersDoesn't work anymore though :( Working on a replacement10:54
dwatkinsdaubers: my buzzer doesn't work, so I was hoping they would actually try and call the numbers I provided to the delivery company10:55
buzz_daubers, hah. cool idea!10:55
daubersdwatkins: I had an interesting argument with city link about that exact thing the other day10:55
dwatkinsoh yes, daubers?10:56
daubersdwatkins: Went along the lines of "Our drivers don't have phones, I'll just find out where they are" "How are you contacting them if they don't have phones?" "They have company phones"10:56
dwatkinshaha10:56
daubersOne four page complaint to City Link later and I got an apology saying that they _could_ have used the company phone, even though it's not policy to do so10:56
daubersDelivery companies are all a bunch of swindlers10:57
buzz_daubers, if i search on google for "bluetooth doorbell" your site is first.. :)10:58
dwatkinsdaubers: totally, I really really wish Amazon didn't use city link, though, they are particularly bad10:58
buzz_daubers, i think this would be a cool product actually. doorbell that is logged.. you could sell it and make millions (or something) :)10:59
daubersdwatkins: Yeah :( First time I had to deal with them was when I bought my Psion Revo, they found my package in the cardboard to be crushed pile10:59
daubersWas _not_ happy. Psion did give me my money back for the delivery though10:59
* dwatkins is livid and now has to go get the car from work to collect the bloomin TV10:59
dwatkinsso much for getting it delivered10:59
dwatkinsright, I suppose I should go get a bus, later folks, don't use citylink11:00
daubersdwatkins: Make sure you complain to Amazon11:02
* screen-x has solved all delivery problems by getting stuff delivered to work :)11:03
daubersscreen-x: I do that these days. Or collect from the store.11:03
screen-xtime for tea11:04
buzz_parted is rubbish. it has a resize command that attempts to resize partition and filesystem, but if it doesnt support the filesystem, you cant use this, and i just wanted to resize the partition, and not the underlying filesystem. no way of doing it. its a manual delete recreate in same location. lame11:04
screen-xbuzz_: if you don't care about the fs, you could create a fs that parted understands in that partition, then resize it.11:06
screen-xOr use lvm :)11:06
buzz_screen-x, well. i have a filesystem underneath, resizing that is another operation later on11:07
screen-xbuzz_: wouldn't it be safer to resize the fs before that partition?11:07
buzz_you gotta resize partition first11:07
buzz_then grow fs11:07
buzz_if you want it bigger11:07
screen-xahh pardon me, for some reason I assumed we were shrinking, though you didn't say that!11:08
buzz_shrinking, you dod the fs first of course11:08
buzz_yeh11:08
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buzz_screen-x, ill do it manually. or script it .. getting the start of the partition in bytes = OFFSET=`parted /dev/sdb unit b print | grep "^ 3" | sed "s/ \+/ /g" | cut -d" " -f 3 | sed -e "s/\([0-9]\+\)B/\1/g"`; - you would think there is a simpler way :)11:13
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screen-xbuzz_: parted -m11:18
buzz_oops :)11:18
buzz_doh11:19
buzz_thanks11:19
buzz_how did i miss that!11:19
screen-xA packaged was scanned departing Dublin at 01:00 this morning, guess when UPS predict it will be delivered to Cardiff?11:21
ali1234wednesday11:23
screen-xali1234: close11:24
czajkowskiI'm BACK :D11:56
danfishquick everyone hide :P11:56
danfisha better journey this time then :)11:57
czajkowskidanfish: yup!11:58
AlanBellwelcome back czajkowski11:59
danfishwhat was it this time? - on the back of a sea turtle to Scotland, then a donkey to Birmingham and biplane from there ;)12:00
czajkowskidanfish: shannon heathrow, bus to woking and train to aldershot12:06
czajkowski5.5 hrs door to doo!12:06
czajkowskidoor12:06
AlanBell20x faster12:06
czajkowskiaye and no dealing with BAA12:06
danfishbah! so conventional, but must be relief :)12:07
AlanBellout partying tonight?12:07
* AlanBell is having a fairly quiet night12:07
AlanBellmight pop round to theopensourcerer for a bit though12:08
czajkowskidanfish: I'm not I'm recovered enough to go through that ordeal again any time soon12:08
czajkowskiAlanBell: no idea tbh. I fancy a quiet drink or two, but I've been drinking for the last 6 nights straight12:08
czajkowskihmm the mothership packed a dvd planes trains and automobiles she has a weird sense of humour!12:11
popeyTHOSE AREN'T PILLOWS!12:11
czajkowskipopey: never seen it12:12
czajkowskipopey: good christmas?12:15
popeyya12:15
buzz_screen-x, ok in the end i did "OFFSET=`parted -m /dev/sdb unit s print | grep "^3" | cut -d":" -f 2`; parted /dev/sdb -- unit s rm 3 mkpart primary btrfs $OFFSET -1s" to resize partition 3 to the end of the disk. cheers for the heads up again on -m ;-)12:19
AlanBelltrip to the design museum in London in Feb maybe? http://design.canonical.com/2010/12/design-museum-exhibition-london/12:19
ali1234AlanBell: the comments on that are lulzy12:28
jgblancohi12:28
ali1234and seriously, why is there no capital M?12:28
popeythere is12:28
popeyits in the title of that blog post12:28
popey:p12:28
brobostigonafternoonings all.12:46
screen-xafternooon brobostigon12:46
brobostigonafternoonings screen-x12:46
* daubers puts on an episode of thunderbirds12:54
screen-xdaubers: did you create tracy island with the instructions on blue peter?12:57
daubersscreen-x: Yup, but my dad sat on it :(13:02
screen-xHeh.. I can't remember the fate of ours13:02
kvarleyI cant get my netbook to boot into the usb install, despite changing the boot order in bios. I have access to grub command line, is there a way I can boot it from here?13:15
screen-xkvarley: do you have another machine you can test the usb stick on?13:16
kvarleyscreen-x Yes13:16
kvarleyI have tried the netbook with a usb stick, sd card and also sd card in a caddy tho13:16
kvarleyWill try on my desktop13:16
screen-xIt should be possible to boot the netbook straight from the usb stick, as long as the image was written correctly to the usb stick.13:17
kvarleyscreen-x That's interesting, I was in the grub command line and was going to exit it so I typed "exit" and then when I ran that command it booted into the usb stick with ubuntu on13:19
screen-xkvarley: interesting... so you are in a position to do the install now?13:22
screen-xpeople getting narky in bug 9406513:22
lubotu3Launchpad bug 94065 in upstart "init: add non-destructive means to disable a job" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/9406513:22
kvarleyscreen-x Yes, its installing now. Thanks for the help :)13:22
Phineasi have returned13:33
Phineascaution: offtopic hour in ##windows13:42
PhineasAzelphur, your prize is ready13:50
nperry\o13:51
buzz_im convinved phineas is some kind of bot that scrapes random text from the www and pastes it to irc13:55
* dwatkins returns still annoyed with city-link14:03
buzz_oh dear..14:05
dwatkinsyeah, they really need to sort out their website and their call centre, buzz_14:06
buzz_they are too busy stamping on the parcels14:06
buzz_i agree with all previous comments on how crap they are14:07
dwatkinsbuzz_: I will be writing to city link and amazon14:10
dwatkinsI wouldn't mind if they'd just called me when they were supposedly here at 9:30am.14:11
Apacheuk_afternoon all, anyone here that knows a little about netgear adsl modem/routers.... I have a concern that mine is publicly accessible and I can't seem to stop that14:15
dwatkinsApacheuk_: you can check at the "shields up" website.14:16
bigcalmTime to visit more relatives14:16
bigcalmHappy New Year peeps14:16
dwatkinslikewise bigcalm14:16
dwatkinsApacheuk_: alternatively, I can run nmap on your IP address and tell you [privately] the results14:17
Apacheuk_dwatkins: I've done that and everything looks OK.... yet when I surf to my wan IP address on my phone it gives me my admin login page14:17
screen-xhave fun bigcalm :)14:17
screen-xApacheuk_: from within your home network?14:18
dwatkinsApacheuk_: is the phone connecting internally via wifi or externally via 3G?14:18
bigcalmscreen-x: thanks, you too :)14:18
Apacheuk_dwatkins: ahhhh...... my bad.... doh! :)14:18
Apacheuk_dwatkins: everythings ok..... once I remember to turn wifi off :)14:19
dwatkinsApacheuk_: you should be able to configure it to only allow access to the admin interface from a physical [i.e. ethernet] connection14:19
Apacheuk_dwatkins: yeah thats what I had, but panic'd when I was able to connect from the phone.... forgetting it was connected via wifi14:20
dwatkinsah I see, glad it's not as bad as you thought, Apacheuk_14:20
Apacheuk_dwatkins: me too, can now get back to what I was trying to do in the first place, set up dyndns so can ssh in from work/phone etc14:22
dwatkinsApacheuk_: I suggest reading this: http://www.ehow.com/how_5118085_check-open-ports-computer.html just to put your mind at rest14:22
Apacheuk_dwatkins: cheers, I've known about shields up/GRC for while.... but thanks anyway14:23
dwatkinsyou're welcome :)14:23
MartijnVdShttp://i.imgur.com/7uzpH.png15:26
MartijnVdS*whistle*15:26
Nafallooh god.15:27
MartijnVdSNafallo: hm?15:27
Nafalloevil image is evil15:27
MartijnVdShmm.. 14 minutes of Telegraph Road15:29
MartijnVdS\o/15:29
jacobwhi guys15:31
_Hthis year held 10283101000000 Facebook activities15:33
Nafallopeople should get out more15:34
MartijnVdSNafallo: you can update facebook from your phone, while you're "out" and "doing stuff"15:34
Nafallooh. I read that as events.15:35
Nafallopretty sure it's just not updates. that number seems way low for that.15:35
_Hno its all activities together15:36
_H(26280*1000000)+(1323000*1484000)+(1587000*1851000)+(1972000*2716000)15:36
MartijnVdSNafallo: 10k updates/person if you assume 1.000.000.000 users15:36
_HShared links: 1,000,000Tagged photos: 1,323,000Event invites sent out: 1,484,000Wall posts: 1,587,000Status updates: 1,851,000Friend requests accepted: 1,972,000Photos uploaded: 2,716,000Comments: 10,208,000Messages: 4,632,000Likes: 7,657,00015:36
Nafallohmm. 27 updates a day.15:37
_Hthat's every 20 mins15:37
MartijnVdSthat's a lot15:37
_Hso every 20 mins there are Shared links: 1,000,000Tagged photos: 1,323,000Event invites sent out: 1,484,000Wall posts: 1,587,000Status updates: 1,851,000Friend requests accepted: 1,972,000Photos uploaded: 2,716,000Comments: 10,208,000Messages: 4,632,000Likes: 7,657,00015:37
MartijnVdSmaybe not if you're a teenager ;)15:38
* Nafallo shrugs15:38
_HI timsed  the 20 min blocks together to get an hour - 20*3=6015:38
_Hthen 3*2415:39
_Hthe answer to that was timesed 364 times15:39
_Hthus the answr15:40
_Hand that number was timesed against the list...15:40
_Hand they added together15:40
ali1234i can't believe there are as many invites sent out and friend requests accepted as there are status updates and wall posts15:40
_Hmashable.com/2010/12/31/facebook-by-the-numbers-in-2010-stats/15:40
MartijnVdShttp://i.imgur.com/FC1Zm.jpg15:41
jacobwhehe15:41
_HMartijnVdS: you missed the open palm hand forward one.... lol [joke]15:41
MartijnVdS_H: it starts at the 60s/70s, not the 30s/40s ;)15:42
_Hhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7-rC6TVcpQ&feature=player_embedded I am scared for life15:45
penguin42_H: Did you buy that server?15:51
_Hpenguin42: no15:51
_HI went but the flt had mafia outside15:52
_Hso.... I walked past quickly15:52
penguin42haha15:52
_HI know mafia when I see them [big cars black coats heavys...]15:53
* Nafallo puts tictacs in his irn bru for giggles15:56
czajkowskihmm are shops open? need to get food in15:56
penguin42czajkowski: Sainsburys was a few mins ago15:56
penguin42_H: Explains why it was so cheap15:56
Nafalloczajkowski: some are.15:57
Nafallowell. Canary Wharf will close at 5pm.15:57
NafalloI should get going,15:57
_HI got a date tonight15:57
* _H can't wait for her date15:58
_Hshe is really cool :) we make each other giggle loads15:58
Nafallommmm. nice new t-shirt ♥16:03
niallI notice that Ubuntu 10.10 doesn't come with tunctl and when I tried to apt-get it, it wasn't there. What would be the alternative, or would be best just getting the source and compiling?18:26
niall*would it be18:26
Nafalloniall: uml-utilities18:31
nialluml as in Universal Modelling Language?18:32
Nafalloas in the package containing the binary you're after.18:32
Nafallo;-)18:32
niallSwish!18:32
niallThank you so much, Nafallo. +1 sir!18:33
Nafallono worries18:34
Nafalloall I did was trying to run it to trigger command-not-found anyway ;-P18:37
marsilainenI'm thinking of installing majordomo, though I'm aware that the vast majority of people use mailman; anyone know the reasons people go for mailman rather than majordomo these days?18:52
marsilainenI'm thinking of using majordomo since it appears to support virtual domains better than mailman18:52
Azelphurah, my HTC Desire Z is shiny now. Cyanogen 6.1 and rooted :D18:52
marsilainenie. you seem to be able to have    listbob@domain1.com   and listbob@domain2.com   with majordomo, whereas I think you can't do that (easily) with mailman (each list needs unique name across virtual domains AIUI)18:53
marsilainenthough having said that, maybe majordomo has the same limitation :/18:55
marsilainenany other suggestions?18:55
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marsilainenmaybe I'll ditch this and use a web-forum with email integration19:12
marsilaineneg. drupal's advanced forums with some modules to integrate email19:12
ali1234i heard the desire Z has deathgrip problems...19:20
Azelphurali1234: not that I've seen *shrug*19:32
dwatkinsAzelphur: did you need to install CM in order for the phone to be good?19:58
dwatkinsI'm not saying there's anything wrong with Cyanogenmod, I just think the supplied OS should be better if so many people end up reinstalling.19:59
popey+119:59
Azelphurdwatkins: not at all, I spent the first few days thinking I won't even bother to root because it has everything I want20:14
Azelphurthen I saw someone overclock to 1.4ghz :D20:14
AzelphurHTC sense is kinda annoying, it has a lot of unremovable bloatware apps20:15
Azelphurso basically I rooted because I wanted to overclock and remove some bloatware20:15
dwatkinsI wonder if I can overclock my HTC Desire HD.20:18
Azelphurhehe I have my G2 clocked to 1.5 :D20:31
Azelphurruns playstation games at 40-50FPS hehe20:31
ballDoes overclocking it shorten the battery run-time?20:36
Azelphuryes20:36
dwatkinsI'd like to be able to underclock my phone to save battery.20:36
Nafallosee... that'd make more sense to me.20:37
Nafallobeing able to put in a bigger battery and use dynamic clocks, even more so.20:37
dwatkinsPeople like being able to control their phones in many ways.20:37
dwatkinsYes, that too.20:38
ballHere comes the tornado we were warned about.20:39
Nafallocan you actually change to ondemand scheduling on these CPUs?20:39
ballIt got a bit dark there for a while.20:45
ballNafallo: What are they running? ARM?20:46
Nafalloball: yah.20:47
ballHello DYSW20:53
DYSWHey Ball. First time anybody writes me here. Happy new year.20:54
dwatkinsHi ball & DYSW, many happy returns of the year21:05
DYSWtwo hours left. Take care21:06
dwatkinsThree to go here.21:06
daubersWoot! 21:19 on new years eve and I'm abusing the office network as harshly as I can21:19
Nafallodaubers: testing new equipment? ;-)21:20
daubersNafallo: Writing a backupey/syncy tool as a thought experiment. Office network is better than mine, and there's an 8 disk raid sat idle in the office21:20
Nafalloah. so yeah. testing new software equipment :-P21:21
daubers:p21:21
daubersI want to replace rsync with something that just sends a constant barrage of data across a tcp stream to keep the speed up21:22
Nafallo:-)21:22
Nafallothat does sounds very sensible... doesn't it.21:22
daubersWell... maybe21:22
daubersHence the "experiment"21:23
daubersWhat ever happened to "Shareware"21:39
directhexdaubers: keygens21:44
penguin42daubers: It became the appstore21:46
daubersi see21:49
AlanBellhttp://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/2011plan21:51
daubersHas the uk etherpad had an upgrade?21:56
AlanBella bit, yes21:57
mattti wish there was a bit more unity w/ default key combos on ubuntu21:59
matttie. opening a new window, etc.21:59
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MartijnVdShappy new year everyone :-)23:55
penguin42it's definitely not new year in this channel yet23:55
MartijnVdS(I know, 5 minutes, but it's already 2011 here ;-))23:56

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