| ailo | ScottL: about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Workflows, I suppose this is meant to be a sort of documentation project? How should it be implemented? | 04:05 |
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| holstein | the idea is to learn how people use the tools | 04:07 |
| holstein | maybe fashion some meta-packages | 04:07 |
| holstein | like sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-podcasting | 04:07 |
| holstein | and get a certain set of tools ready to rock-n-roll | 04:07 |
| ailo | I'm thinking there could be a very simple wizard for new users with links to documentation. | 04:10 |
| holstein | i keep thinking that too | 04:10 |
| holstein | but, its challenging | 04:10 |
| holstein | just getting JACK running can be a real drag | 04:10 |
| holstein | ailo: remember that guy last nite | 04:11 |
| holstein | i had to totally re-learn how ive been setting up my firewire device for the past 3 or 4 releases | 04:11 |
| holstein | and he *still* didnt get it running | 04:11 |
| holstein | it would have to be a dynamic wizard | 04:12 |
| holstein | with lots of sections | 04:12 |
| holstein | ailo: im into entertaining that idea though | 04:12 |
| holstein | i was thinking about doing some screenshots on my webserver | 04:12 |
| holstein | for what happened last nite | 04:12 |
| holstein | how to get the kernel you need | 04:13 |
| holstein | etc | 04:13 |
| holstein | ailo: were you thinking something fancier than a wiki? | 04:13 |
| ailo | Well, the fundamental things should of course work first, if possible, but there will always be problems. | 04:14 |
| ailo | A wizard could be anything from a 3 step guide to a program that collects data from your system to adjust your installation. | 04:15 |
| holstein | ailo: i would like to see something like that in the installer | 04:16 |
| holstein | OR on the desktop after install | 04:16 |
| holstein | ailo: have you installed KXstudio? | 04:16 |
| ailo | not yet | 04:16 |
| holstein | lots of slick prompts | 04:17 |
| holstein | kernels and extra packages | 04:17 |
| holstein | ailo: when you add the user to groups | 04:17 |
| holstein | that has a page | 04:17 |
| holstein | with radio buttons | 04:18 |
| holstein | or check boxes | 04:18 |
| holstein | themed really nice | 04:18 |
| holstein | something like that after the install | 04:19 |
| ailo | I always felt that adding oneself to groups was a kind of bug. Should happen automatically, I think. | 04:19 |
| holstein | you click and get a little set-up wizard | 04:19 |
| holstein | ailo: i was thinking about filing a few bugs | 04:19 |
| holstein | maybe i'll drop them here | 04:19 |
| holstein | and you can glom on | 04:19 |
| holstein | if you file a bug for the adduser thing | 04:20 |
| holstein | i'll add myself :) | 04:20 |
| ailo | You mean to the Ubuntu people? Isn't this specific for US? | 04:20 |
| holstein | well, we're on the same repos | 04:21 |
| ailo | Or audio distros. | 04:21 |
| holstein | i think we get a category on LP right? | 04:21 |
| holstein | maybe not | 04:21 |
| ailo | I guess if it doesn't hurt them, it could be worth a shot, but considering how RT is maybe about to change, maybe that wont matter soon | 04:23 |
| holstein | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/695892 | 04:24 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 695892 in Ubuntu Studio "no live CD for ubuntustudio" [Undecided,New] | 04:24 |
| ScottL | ailo, originally i was concerned because ubuntu studio didn't see cohesive, a lot of the apps just seemed included "just because" | 04:25 |
| holstein | not sure how to change that to 'wishlist' | 04:25 |
| ScottL | ailo, they didn't seem to support anything in particular, other than to include a neat app | 04:25 |
| ScottL | ailo, so to "justify" an app's inclusion we needed to identify it's need | 04:25 |
| ailo | of course :) | 04:26 |
| ScottL | ailo, therefore, if a viable workflow could be developed that would demonstrate it's worthiness we keep it :) | 04:26 |
| ScottL | ailo, but also, the workflows provide framework for documentation and testing | 04:26 |
| ailo | Who is hands on with the US iso? A live CD seems like a better choice for a number of reasons. | 04:27 |
| ScottL | holstein, it's marked as "wishlist" now ;) | 04:27 |
| ScottL | ailo, supposedly falktx was working on a livedvd for ubuntu studio but i haven't seen it yet, i hope to though | 04:27 |
| holstein | ScottL: where is that ? | 04:28 |
| holstein | wishlist | 04:28 |
| ailo | I would rather see a cd, or both, since burning DVD's can be a challenge. Memory sticks is fine, CD are fine. | 04:28 |
| ScottL | holstein, your bug is now marked as wishlist | 04:28 |
| ScottL | if ubuntu studio continues i think a community supported stripped-down liveCD would be an awesome "calling card" or hardware test (as holstein suggested) | 04:30 |
| ScottL | i mean, people give cd's away but dvd's are still kinda pricey | 04:30 |
| ailo | Main reason why I stopped using Ubuntustudio DVD was because none of the recorders at my disposal were able to do it right. Installing would mostly fail, while retrieving some small file. | 04:31 |
| ScottL | holstein, on your bug, to the right of assignee, do you see the "importance" heading? do you see a yellow circle below it? | 04:31 |
| ScottL | errr.left...to the left of the assignee | 04:32 |
| holstein | how about | 04:33 |
| holstein | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/695893 | 04:33 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 695893 in Ubuntu Studio "JACK wont start with presonus firepod and generic kernel" [Undecided,New] | 04:33 |
| ScottL | holstein, do you want me to change that one to wishlist as well? | 04:35 |
| holstein | ScottL: not sure | 04:35 |
| holstein | i mean | 04:35 |
| holstein | its a bug right? | 04:35 |
| holstein | you can though | 04:35 |
| holstein | nothing can be done about it now | 04:35 |
| holstein | ACTUALLY | 04:35 |
| holstein | let me try to change it to wishlist | 04:36 |
| holstein | i still dont see it ;) | 04:36 |
| ailo | A live DVD is mostly nice on a usb, stick. Particularly if you can install programs on the USB like you can on Puredyne. | 04:37 |
| ailo | Meaning, on Puredyne you can install programs, add users | 04:37 |
| ailo | But not all systems support booting from USB | 04:38 |
| ailo | If burning a DVD fails, you need a CD | 04:38 |
| ScottL | how does puredyne keep from trashing the usb stick with so many writes? | 04:38 |
| holstein | maybe it just trashes it ;) | 04:39 |
| holstein | ScottL: d00d | 04:39 |
| holstein | im blind | 04:39 |
| holstein | i cant find the right yellow circle | 04:39 |
| ScottL | i remember falktx saying something about not writing to the usb until you unmount the stick, everything else is kept in memory until then | 04:40 |
| ScottL | but he wasn't necessarily talking about puredyne i think | 04:40 |
| ScottL | holstein, it's probably a permission thing in luanchpad, i can see it because i'm in ubuntustudio-dev probably | 04:40 |
| ailo | I don't really know anything other than that they use Debian-live and a specific script to create the live usb. | 04:41 |
| ailo | It works great, though. | 04:41 |
| holstein | ScottL: OH | 04:41 |
| holstein | thats the deal | 04:41 |
| ailo | Two partitions, live-image + writeable | 04:41 |
| ailo | Anyway, from my point of view, CD format is still the best, since it excludes all sorts of problems. | 04:43 |
| holstein | you can always unetbootin the image | 04:44 |
| ailo | But only if it's "live-able" right? | 04:45 |
| holstein | i know installing doesnt work from the alternates | 04:45 |
| holstein | with unetbootin | 04:45 |
| holstein | like with ubuntustudio's installer | 04:45 |
| holstein | and ubuntuserver | 04:45 |
| ailo | I'm still wondering why bios'es aren't adapted to install stuff directly from the internet. | 04:49 |
| holstein | i should be able to flash my bios | 04:50 |
| holstein | and get that | 04:50 |
| holstein | with some tricky embedded linux | 04:51 |
| holstein | i guess we could if things were more open | 04:51 |
| ailo | Have you guys ever discussed longer release cycles? | 04:52 |
| ailo | holstein: how did you get your firewire working yesterday? Was it on 10.04? | 04:56 |
| holstein | ailo: its been cool on 10.04 | 04:57 |
| holstein | i got it working in 10.10 | 04:57 |
| ailo | If I haven't misunderstood, the guy yesterday was on 10.10 | 04:57 |
| ailo | ok | 04:57 |
| holstein | using that kernel | 04:57 |
| holstein | from 11.04 | 04:57 |
| ailo | But with dependency problems? | 04:57 |
| holstein | or abogani's PPA for 11.04 | 04:57 |
| holstein | ailo: i dont think so | 04:57 |
| holstein | there's 3 packages | 04:57 |
| holstein | one of them didnt isntall | 04:57 |
| holstein | you dont need all three though right? | 04:57 |
| holstein | it worked | 04:58 |
| ailo | In many ways I consider Ubuntustudio a sort of central point for debian based Linux Audio. Lately there have appeared several new Ubuntu based distros. Why are we not working together? It't the same base after all. | 05:02 |
| holstein | i think falk is trying to do that | 05:03 |
| holstein | help instead of compete | 05:03 |
| holstein | dont know about the others | 05:03 |
| holstein | lots of different ideas and focus though | 05:03 |
| holstein | really doesnt take much to get a fork going on | 05:04 |
| ScottL | ailo, that is a very profound (and heavily considered) aspect of ubuntu studio | 05:04 |
| ScottL | i meant, in respect that others are based on ubuntu studio | 05:04 |
| ScottL | what would they do if ubuntu studio stopped existing? | 05:04 |
| ailo | exactly | 05:05 |
| ailo | Certain things are problematic for some people: Desktop, Pulseaudio... | 05:06 |
| ailo | But the base issues are still the same | 05:06 |
| ScottL | holstein, tomorrow i will send an email to quadrispro about helping with some items for ubuntu studio that need to be done, that's the start of what we talked about earlier | 05:06 |
| ScottL | ailo, unless pulse audio is ripped out, then i do not think too much can be done within ubuntu to improve it dramatically | 05:06 |
| ScottL | meaning that most substantive improvements will most likely come from upstream of ubuntu | 05:07 |
| ScottL | be it debian or lennar | 05:07 |
| ScottL | lennart | 05:07 |
| ScottL | most likely lennart though (when he's not dorking with systemd) | 05:07 |
| ScottL | i just bought "Guerrilla Home Recording: How to Get Great Sound from Any Studio (No Matter How Weird and Cheap Your Gear Is)" | 05:08 |
| ailo | Pulseaudio doesn't need to be a consern in my mind for collaboration. Other distros can have it without Pulseaudio, but still share pretty much everything else. | 05:08 |
| ScottL | i'm hoping this will improve my knowledge and results with recording | 05:08 |
| ScottL | i'm going to bed, goodnight all :) | 05:09 |
| ailo | gn | 05:10 |
| holstein | ScottL: GN | 05:12 |
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