| maemologger | Hpy nu yer yofel | 00:12 |
|---|---|---|
| JontheEchidna | still 5 hours to go here | 00:39 |
| maemologger | Oh dear | 00:44 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu New Year | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Please test KDE in lucid-proposed LP: #691068 | The party starts now!! Contact apachelogger and shadeslayer for passes | ||
| GabrielYYZ | happy new year everyone and thank you for the awesome OS that is kubuntu | 04:22 |
| === kronos_ is now known as kronos | ||
| ulysses | JontheEchidna: I reported a bug against Muon Updater, kde bug 261775 | 09:52 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 261775 in general "Crash while configuring libc-bin" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=261775 | 09:52 |
| droidslayer | apachelogger: still in 2010 | 10:31 |
| droidslayer | :-) | 10:31 |
| ulysses | hm, it is 2011 already?:o | 10:32 |
| droidslayer | ulysses: still living in the past? :-P... well... afaik everyone is in the new year | 10:34 |
| ulysses | droidslayer: nope, I was just so drunk, that I missed the midnight and the sing of the national anthem | 10:35 |
| droidslayer | Lol | 10:37 |
| ulysses | I don't remember how I went to bed | 10:37 |
| droidslayer | I was looking at web view api :-P | 10:37 |
| droidslayer | Lol | 10:38 |
| shadeslayer | droidslayer_: byeeee | 10:57 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: happy new year :D | 10:58 |
| * shadeslayer goes on looking for MIUI | 10:58 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or-9T44Bt7M&feature=player_embedded | 10:59 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ssup | 10:59 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| shadeslayer | anyone up and about? :D | 12:15 |
| === kronos is now known as Guest54487 | ||
| === kronos_ is now known as kronos | ||
| CIA-39 | [muon] jmthomas * 1210625 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/updater/UpdaterWindow.cpp Mirror changes made in Muon Package Manager and don't return to preview on commit errors. | 13:14 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: pokey poke | 13:16 |
| JontheEchidna | shadeslayer: pongy pong | 13:16 |
| shadeslayer | whats the line to include in cmakelists.txt for QWebView class? | 13:16 |
| shadeslayer | QGraphicsWebView rather | 13:16 |
| JontheEchidna | I dunno, I've never used that class | 13:17 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger might know | 13:17 |
| JontheEchidna | since I think he was doing some phonon stuff with qtwebkit | 13:18 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 13:18 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger is probably drunk and all wasted | 13:18 |
| shadeslayer | and sleeping | 13:18 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 13:18 |
| tsimpson | shadeslayer: I think you set(QT_USE_QTWEBKIT TRUE) | 13:24 |
| shadeslayer | tsimpson: yeah fixed :) | 13:24 |
| tsimpson | before include(${QT_USE_FILE}) | 13:24 |
| shadeslayer | needed to link against QT_QTWEBKIT_LIBRARY | 13:25 |
| shadeslayer | target_link_libraries(QtDemoBrowser ${QT_QTCORE_LIBRARY} ${QT_QTGUI_LIBRARY} ${QT_QTWEBKIT_LIBRARY}) | 13:25 |
| tsimpson | when you set the above, it should add that to QT_LIBRARIES | 13:25 |
| shadeslayer | but still doesnt load google.com | 13:25 |
| shadeslayer | tsimpson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/549270 | 13:32 |
| shadeslayer | that displays a blank white page | 13:32 |
| shadeslayer | oh oh | 13:33 |
| shadeslayer | it opened \o/ | 13:33 |
| tsimpson | it compiles! ship it :) | 13:37 |
| shadeslayer | tsimpson: git@git.kde.org:scratch/garg/DemoWebViewBrowser | 13:44 |
| shadeslayer | lol | 13:44 |
| shadeslayer | well | 13:44 |
| shadeslayer | it compiles | 13:44 |
| shadeslayer | it doesnt show the page | 13:44 |
| shadeslayer | if i move stuff to main.cpp | 13:44 |
| shadeslayer | it will load google.com | 13:44 |
| shadeslayer | but if i use proper classes and everything it doesnt work | 13:44 |
| shadeslayer | http://gitweb.kde.org/scratch/garg/DemoWebViewBrowser.git | 13:45 |
| shadeslayer | tsimpson: ^^ | 13:49 |
| tsimpson | shadeslayer: probably because the QGraphicsScene in MainWindow::MainWindow() is destructed as soon as you return from the constructor ;) | 13:50 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 13:50 |
| shadeslayer | so possibly put in another function? | 13:50 |
| shadeslayer | which is called from the constructor | 13:51 |
| tsimpson | no, just put something like "QGraphicsScene* scene;" in the class and new it in the constructor | 13:51 |
| shadeslayer | oic | 13:52 |
| tsimpson | and the view, and the webview | 13:52 |
| tsimpson | otherwise they'll just be destroyed when they go out of scope | 13:52 |
| shadeslayer | tsimpson: how do i make m to be the parent of the scene? | 13:59 |
| shadeslayer | i get 2 windows ;P | 14:00 |
| tsimpson | you need to use setCentralWidget(view) | 14:00 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 14:00 |
| tsimpson | why do you disable the scroll bars though? | 14:00 |
| tsimpson | or is that just what the example did? | 14:01 |
| shadeslayer | its what the example did, disabled in my code now | 14:02 |
| tsimpson | ah, the code is for mobile devices, they usually don't want scroll bars | 14:02 |
| tsimpson | ^ the example code | 14:02 |
| shadeslayer | aye | 14:08 |
| shadeslayer | tsimpson: view->resize(600,480); << any idea why that isnt working> | 14:08 |
| shadeslayer | my window is *tiny* | 14:09 |
| shadeslayer | view is my QGraphicsVIew | 14:09 |
| * shadeslayer will add a urlbar at the top and voila a new browser is born | 14:10 | |
| tsimpson | shadeslayer: you can use the resize() method of QMainWindow ;) | 14:12 |
| shadeslayer | tsimpson: or resize the scene ;) | 14:13 |
| tsimpson | well it should resize the scene too, as it's the only thing in the window | 14:13 |
| shadeslayer | tsimpson: pushed :) | 14:18 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: tada http://gitweb.kde.org/scratch/garg/DemoWebViewBrowser.git | 14:19 |
| tsimpson | you leak memory | 14:19 |
| tsimpson | the parent of the QGraphicsScene should be "this", otherwise it has no parent | 14:20 |
| tsimpson | and you don't need view->show(), it'll be called when you do m.show() | 14:21 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 14:21 |
| shadeslayer | tsimpson: im a bit confused between parent and this | 14:22 |
| tsimpson | you are passing the "parent" parameter, which will be 0 as you don't give MainWindow a parent | 14:22 |
| * apachelogger has broken repos and does not know why | 14:23 | |
| * apachelogger has a headache and exactly knows why | 14:23 | |
| shadeslayer | oic | 14:23 |
| shadeslayer | tsimpson: fixed | 14:23 |
| tsimpson | apachelogger: I find sleep to be the best cure for that kind of headache | 14:23 |
| shadeslayer | tsimpson: see the title bar | 14:24 |
| shadeslayer | oh i have 2 instances | 14:24 |
| shadeslayer | thats why | 14:24 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 14:24 |
| tsimpson | shadeslayer: usually one forward declares the classes, rather than including the headers in the .h | 14:29 |
| tsimpson | ie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/549277/ | 14:29 |
| tsimpson | technically, it makes compilation slightly quicker | 14:30 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: where does rekonq keep it's UI settings? | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | at any rate it keeps the code cleaner as it prevents implicit header dependencies caused by header A including C and B including A and B using a pointer of C | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | should A get removed or loose the include on C B will fail until it also got an include for C | 14:42 |
| apachelogger | now with 3 headers that is not a problem, if you have a couple hundreds... | 14:42 |
| apachelogger | phonon-gstreamer had multiple such situations, took me about 2 hours to resolve | 14:42 |
| Quintasan | oh god | 15:32 |
| Quintasan | a late Happy New Year to everyone | 15:32 |
| yofel | Quintasan: a happy new year to you too :D | 15:32 |
| Quintasan | Well, my legs are totally destroyed | 15:33 |
| Quintasan | Thanks to 8-hours marathon of Stepmania accompanied by various types of drinks | 15:33 |
| apachelogger | sheytan_: ping | 16:21 |
| shadeslayer | tsimpson: that was what i was going to do next.... forward declarations :P | 16:21 |
| * shadeslayer was out for food | 16:21 | |
| apachelogger | one does do them when one adds the foo that requires them :P | 16:22 |
| === sheytan_ is now known as sheytan | ||
| sheytan | apachelogger pong | 16:24 |
| apachelogger | sheytan: do you feel like doing a simple website? | 16:24 |
| sheytan | apachelogger what's the subject of the page? | 16:24 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: any idea how to set the user agent? | 16:25 |
| shadeslayer | in QGraphicsWebview | 16:25 |
| apachelogger | phonon needs one sort of similar to wiki.kde.org as we are booting phonon.kde.org and replace it with userbase for user documentation, techbase for 3rd party developer documentation and community for internal stuff | 16:25 |
| apachelogger | so just some 3 columns with nice graphics and a description of those 3 with links | 16:25 |
| apachelogger | (will be put on phonon.kde.org) | 16:26 |
| sheytan | apachelogger let me take a look | 16:26 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: gets its qnetworkmanager | 16:26 |
| apachelogger | or was it qnetworkaccessmanager? | 16:26 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/8e0Hf.png << | 16:26 |
| apachelogger | sheytan: thanks :) | 16:26 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: no no ... i saw a way to set it via QGWV | 16:26 |
| * shadeslayer cant find it anymore | 16:26 | |
| apachelogger | take a look at the header? | 16:26 |
| shadeslayer | im trying to get google instant to work on my browser :P | 16:26 |
| apachelogger | cant see anything | 16:27 |
| apachelogger | oh | 16:27 |
| apachelogger | uh | 16:27 |
| apachelogger | eh | 16:27 |
| sheytan | apachelogger i did the kde wiki page, too :D | 16:27 |
| sheytan | but they edited it | 16:28 |
| sheytan | it looked way better | 16:28 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: QWebSettings maybe? | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 16:28 |
| apachelogger | sheytan: hehe :D | 16:28 |
| sheytan | well, let my try | 16:28 |
| apachelogger | I promise I wont edit anything ;) | 16:28 |
| * apachelogger is way too lazy for that anyway ^^ | 16:28 | |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: surely that class stores stuff like agent and whatnot | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: doesnt look like it | 16:29 |
| apachelogger | indeed | 16:29 |
| apachelogger | well | 16:29 |
| apachelogger | from qgraphicswebview you get to qwebpage | 16:29 |
| shadeslayer | i swear i found a page where it was listed | 16:29 |
| apachelogger | and that has userAgentForUrl | 16:30 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 16:30 |
| apachelogger | which is a protected getter| I suppose | 16:30 |
| apachelogger | so either you need to overload that and hardset to some agent you wish or read the documentation ;) | 16:30 |
| shadeslayer | apparently my college starts from 13 | 16:30 |
| shadeslayer | one week break \o/ | 16:31 |
| apachelogger | agent is part of the qnetworkrequest | 16:31 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: apparenlty only qwebpage has any agent function | 16:31 |
| apachelogger | so my best guess is that you need to overload that and the baseclass will use it to get the agent for the url it currently tries to get | 16:32 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: hmm .. but i cant *set* it | 16:32 |
| apachelogger | overload | 16:32 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 16:33 |
| * shadeslayer keeps on searching | 16:34 | |
| shadeslayer | im sure i saw a function | 16:34 |
| shadeslayer | to set a user agent | 16:35 |
| apachelogger | grep says nothing | 16:35 |
| shadeslayer | seems this is the only way http://doc.trolltech.com/main-snapshot/qwebpage.html#userAgentForUrl | 16:35 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: yeah | 16:35 |
| apachelogger | dude | 16:35 |
| apachelogger | read the docs | 16:36 |
| shadeslayer | i re-read the blog | 16:36 |
| apachelogger | ! | 16:36 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: i was searching docs + google + qt labs | 16:36 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: just overload the function :P | 16:36 |
| apachelogger | maybe kwebkit had the setter you are thining of | 16:36 |
| apachelogger | qtwebkit has only that function | 16:36 |
| shadeslayer | erm ... id rather not go towards kwebkit | 16:36 |
| shadeslayer | er ... does kwebkit have QGWV? | 16:37 |
| shadeslayer | or KGWV | 16:37 |
| apachelogger | no | 16:37 |
| apachelogger | not that I know of anyway | 16:37 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 16:37 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: QGWV is *fast | 16:37 |
| shadeslayer | *fast* | 16:37 |
| shadeslayer | faster than rekonq i might add | 16:37 |
| apachelogger | because the other thing is mixing graphicsscene with regular qwidgets | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | which naturally is slow | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | so you need to make MyWebPage | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | overload the useragent thingy | 16:38 |
| shadeslayer | aye | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | then set the mywebpage thingyin qgraphicswebview | 16:38 |
| shadeslayer | and set it to what chrome sends | 16:38 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: do you think sending a custom user agent to google will enable instant search? | 16:40 |
| shadeslayer | the custom value being that of chrome | 16:40 |
| apachelogger | possibly | 16:40 |
| apachelogger | not necessraily | 16:40 |
| apachelogger | google does all sorts of multilayered browser detection | 16:40 |
| apachelogger | at least on youtube they do | 16:40 |
| shadeslayer | really? 0_o | 16:40 |
| apachelogger | in particular they might poke javascript | 16:41 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: I mean, it is worth a try, just dont expect it to be that easy ;) | 16:41 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 16:41 |
| shadeslayer | well .. ill wait to see how adjam does it | 16:41 |
| shadeslayer | for now this goes to rekonq mailing list | 16:41 |
| shadeslayer | need to add copyright too | 16:42 |
| apachelogger | mgraesslin: I gather we can haz kwin gles soon? :D | 16:42 |
| * apachelogger stil needs to get his gles changes uploaded to ubuntu -.0 | 16:42 | |
| * shadeslayer tries changing user agent in FF to see what happens | 16:42 | |
| * apachelogger has too many things to do | 16:42 | |
| mgraesslin | apachelogger: yeah, I am going to force push to my scratch repo tomorrow | 16:42 |
| apachelogger | hooray | 16:43 |
| * apachelogger hugs mgraesslin | 16:43 | |
| * mgraesslin hugs back | 16:43 | |
| mgraesslin | what I though about: in case Ubuntu includes GLES packages for nouveau you could be the first distro shipping OpenGL compositing by default for nouveau | 16:44 |
| shadeslayer | aha | 16:45 |
| shadeslayer | AHA | 16:45 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: doesnt work in FF | 16:45 |
| shadeslayer | so yeah .. it probably requires insane amounts of work | 16:46 |
| apachelogger | probably javascript foo then | 16:48 |
| apachelogger | check google's scripts ;) | 16:48 |
| shadeslayer | eep | 16:48 |
| shadeslayer | no thanks :P | 16:49 |
| shadeslayer | i dont want to mess with the mighty google | 16:49 |
| sheytan | apachelogger i'm feeling out of ideas today ;/ | 16:49 |
| sheytan | drink to much yesterday ::D | 16:50 |
| sheytan | that's the reason propalby :D | 16:50 |
| sheytan | propably* | 16:50 |
| apachelogger | :) | 16:50 |
| apachelogger | sheytan: no problem, we do not need it that urgently :D | 16:51 |
| sheytan | apachelogger good, i'll come out with something | 16:54 |
| sheytan | need a vision :D | 16:54 |
| apachelogger | k :) | 16:56 |
| * apachelogger wonders whether bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213706 could be due to our aboutToFinish signal and how Amarok's enginecontroller uses it | 16:57 | |
| ubottu | KDE bug 213706 in VLC backend "Phonon does not play last and/or first second of an audiofile " [Normal,Reopened] | 16:57 |
| apachelogger | oh, wrong channel :) | 16:58 |
| shadeslayer | hahaha | 16:59 |
| shadeslayer | wait | 16:59 |
| shadeslayer | ubottu can read bugs off b.k.o and put them in the channel? | 16:59 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 16:59 |
| shadeslayer | awesome | 17:00 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: please get it into #rekonq too :P | 17:00 |
| sheytan | btw guys, will there be easy file/internet sharing ever in kubuntu? | 17:01 |
| sheytan | i miss somethings like os x has, you only click once and sharing is active | 17:01 |
| sheytan | and here you got milions of samba options that i don'tknow even how to use :D | 17:02 |
| shadeslayer | tsimpson: fixed forward declarations in git .. tell me one thing tho ... i can add widgets to the Graphics Scene right? | 17:02 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: im going to try and add kinetic scrolling, tabs and a url bar | 17:02 |
| shadeslayer | and then im going to close the project :P | 17:02 |
| shadeslayer | n more features | 17:02 |
| sheytan | shadeslayer Google account bookmark sync! :D | 17:02 |
| shadeslayer | *no | 17:02 |
| sheytan | please :D | 17:02 |
| shadeslayer | sheytan: lol | 17:02 |
| shadeslayer | sheytan: thats something i plan to do in KDE | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | possibly as a GSoC project | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | sheytan: its not very difficult tho, Google Docs etc have a API to do that | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | so i can import them using the API | 17:03 |
| sheytan | shadeslayer it's like the only feature that stops me from rekonq :P | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | sheytan: see the logs of this channel .... me and apachelogger discussed this at length | 17:04 |
| shadeslayer | sheytan: well ... i dont want to have it as a rekonq specific feature | 17:04 |
| sheytan | ok :) | 17:04 |
| shadeslayer | i want the whole of KDE to have it | 17:04 |
| sheytan | yeah, good idea :) | 17:04 |
| shadeslayer | sheytan: we discussed it this week itself i think | 17:04 |
| sheytan | shadeslayer and do you know plans for file sharing in natty? | 17:04 |
| shadeslayer | sheytan: over samba? | 17:05 |
| sheytan | shadeslayer yes | 17:05 |
| shadeslayer | sheytan: fixed in KDE SVN i think.. or pending a merge | 17:05 |
| shadeslayer | packages will be patched tho | 17:05 |
| sheytan | shadeslayer i meann a user friendly one. The samba kcm is a mess :D | 17:05 |
| shadeslayer | lol | 17:05 |
| shadeslayer | dunno about KCM | 17:05 |
| sheytan | lots of features and i don't know how to use them :D | 17:06 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ^^ KCM | 17:06 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger is KCM master | 17:06 |
| sheytan | apachelogger if you wish i can make a mockup of how file sharing should look like | 17:06 |
| sheytan | comeon guys, lets make it rock :D | 17:07 |
| apachelogger | sheytan: KDE file sharing? | 17:07 |
| * apachelogger is planing phonon releases right now ^^ | 17:08 | |
| sheytan | apachelogger yes | 17:08 |
| apachelogger | sheytan: sure, go ahead :) | 17:08 |
| sheytan | apachelogger if you make it my way, i will love you more then now :D | 17:08 |
| apachelogger | even more? :O | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | omg | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | nuno did some overall KCM mockup a while back | 17:10 |
| * apachelogger liked that a lot | 17:10 | |
| sheytan | apachelogger which KCM ? | 17:11 |
| sheytan | do you have the images? :D | 17:11 |
| apachelogger | k3b kcm | 17:15 |
| apachelogger | sheytan: it was moure about redesigning the shall around the KCM really | 17:15 |
| apachelogger | IMHO the main problem is that the stuff around it looks like shit | 17:16 |
| apachelogger | sort of limiting the abilities of KCM design altogether | 17:16 |
| apachelogger | sheytan: it was somewhere on identica | 17:17 |
| apachelogger | impossible to find :D | 17:17 |
| sheytan | oh | 17:17 |
| sheytan | well, i'll create the mock anyway | 17:18 |
| apachelogger | sheytan: if you ask him, he surely has it lying around somewhere :D | 17:18 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: so ... should i use a widget or something else for urlbar | 17:22 |
| * shadeslayer pokes apachelogger to wake up | 17:26 | |
| apachelogger | sheytan: something else? | 17:31 |
| apachelogger | eh | 17:31 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: | 17:31 |
| apachelogger | sheytan: sry | 17:31 |
| sheytan | :) | 17:32 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: yes | 17:32 |
| apachelogger | like? | 17:32 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: urlbar | 17:32 |
| shadeslayer | QWidget or QGraphicsRectItem | 17:32 |
| shadeslayer | or soemthing else | 17:33 |
| apachelogger | oh | 17:34 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: depends on what you want to do :P | 17:34 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 17:34 |
| apachelogger | qgraphics foo is always more work than qwidget :P | 17:34 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 17:34 |
| shadeslayer | qwidget it is | 17:34 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: so paste.kde.org api docs are wrong | 17:38 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: apparently this works : paste.kde.org/?paste_data=test1&paste_lang=text&api_submit=1&mode=xml | 17:41 |
| idis | hello kubuntuers? | 17:46 |
| yofel | hello idis | 17:46 |
| idis | kde 4.6 packaging for ubuntu seems to trigger a bug for marble quite a lot, could you help identifying the issue? | 17:47 |
| idis | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=247420 | 17:47 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 247420 in general "crash when starting marble or embedding apps" [Crash,New] | 17:47 |
| idis | lots of recent duplicates | 17:47 |
| idis | sounds like bad theme files | 17:48 |
| idis | s/theme/marble map/ | 17:49 |
| * shadeslayer looks | 17:49 | |
| sheytan | hey | 17:50 |
| sheytan | how can i add an icon in qt designer? | 17:50 |
| shadeslayer | sheytan: i just do foo.setIcon :P | 17:51 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: it is not REST though | 17:51 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: whut? | 17:51 |
| apachelogger | nvm :P | 17:51 |
| apachelogger | so | 17:52 |
| apachelogger | what do I eat for lunch? | 17:52 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: kubotu | 17:52 |
| apachelogger | I wonder if that is tasty ^^ | 17:52 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: its Ruby .. its supposed to be exotic | 17:52 |
| apachelogger | I see | 17:52 |
| apachelogger | very crunchy for sure | 17:52 |
| shadeslayer | aye | 17:58 |
| shadeslayer | idis: i cant figure out the issue ... is a file missing? | 17:58 |
| idis | shadeslayer: well, first of all, different people report the same issue | 17:59 |
| idis | and we haven't gone through packaging/upgrades before | 17:59 |
| shadeslayer | hmm .. | 17:59 |
| idis | reporting that bug in kde directly is not very helping from those users | 18:00 |
| yofel | that libmarblewidet.so.10 is definitely gone in natty, and digikam depends on 11 | 18:01 |
| idis | shadeslayer: does updating showfoto trigger both libmarble and marble data update? | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | sheytan: about adding an icon ... use a label | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | there you can set a pixmap | 18:01 |
| sheytan | thanks :) | 18:01 |
| idis | shadeslayer: that sounds like some dependency issues from that far distance | 18:02 |
| idis | i don't see where you publish packaging for kdeedu? | 18:03 |
| yofel | idis: kdeedu packaging is here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdeedu/ubuntu/files/head%3A/debian/ | 18:05 |
| idis | yofel: thanks ;) launchpad kdeedu did not recommend it ;) | 18:06 |
| yofel | nope, you would have to run 'apt-cache showsrc kdeedu' to find that :/ | 18:07 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: hurf durf fix encoding in rekonq | 18:07 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: fixed in KDE RC2 | 18:07 |
| shadeslayer | not rekonq's fault | 18:07 |
| shadeslayer | blame adwit | 18:07 |
| shadeslayer | and KIO | 18:07 |
| shadeslayer | and kdewebkit | 18:07 |
| shadeslayer | or | 18:07 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: use my demo browser | 18:08 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 18:08 |
| Quintasan | >project-neon-kdemultimedia 1 hour 40 minutes ago Successfully built | 18:08 |
| Quintasan | YEAH | 18:08 |
| shadeslayer | it doesnt have a urlbar atm | 18:08 |
| shadeslayer | but im adding it | 18:08 |
| Quintasan | project-neon-amarok GO GO GO | 18:08 |
| sheytan | apachelogger still dunno how to :D | 18:15 |
| sheytan | and which is the flat button? :D | 18:15 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: can you commit some stuff to kde svn? | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | yes | 18:17 |
| shadeslayer | i finished paste.kde.org backed | 18:17 |
| shadeslayer | *backend | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | sheytan: flat button? | 18:17 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ill tarball the contents ... hold on | 18:18 |
| sheytan | apachelogger that one that glows blue when you mouse over | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | sheytan: for the icon... you add a label, on the right hand side you have a pane that is named properties or somesuch | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | there you can search for pixmap | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | and there you can set an image | 18:18 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: do i need to have the 3rd file as well? the one that wasnt being found | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | sheytan: pushbutton I suppose | 18:18 |
| shadeslayer | apart form main.js and metadata.desktop | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: you need to hook up with the cmake thing I suppose ;) | 18:18 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 18:20 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: awww.... | 18:23 |
| shadeslayer | cant it be done some other way? | 18:24 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: what was the missing file again? | 18:35 |
| shadeslayer | nvm | 18:35 |
| ari-tczew | what do you think about move unrar to main? ark should depends on it! | 18:42 |
| shadeslayer | ari-tczew: unrar or rar? | 18:44 |
| ari-tczew | shadeslayer: unrar | 18:44 |
| shadeslayer | ari-tczew: never used that .. i haz rar for ark foo | 18:44 |
| ari-tczew | I click on archive and click 'extract here' - and error about non-installed unrar | 18:45 |
| JontheEchidna | unrar is in multiverse, so it can't be included by default :( | 18:45 |
| yofel | well, both are in multiverse currently, both would need to be bumped to restricted | 18:45 |
| JontheEchidna | we can't put things in restricted on the CD, tho | 18:46 |
| shadeslayer | maybe when you open ark it should have a notification like rekonq and konqueror have | 18:46 |
| yofel | ah | 18:46 |
| JontheEchidna | that would be easily doable^ | 18:46 |
| ari-tczew | anyway, it should be fixed. new users are discouraged these errors | 18:46 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: erm ... i feel stupid now .. how to do you add a text bar in Qt? | 18:46 |
| shadeslayer | i forgot | 18:46 |
| JontheEchidna | a text bar? | 18:46 |
| JontheEchidna | like a label? | 18:46 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: a URL bar | 18:47 |
| shadeslayer | i need a urlbar | 18:47 |
| JontheEchidna | KLineEdit | 18:47 |
| ari-tczew | JontheEchidna: can we talk on PM? | 18:47 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 18:47 |
| JontheEchidna | ari-tczew: sure | 18:47 |
| shadeslayer | ari-tczew: so a web browser in KUbuntu pops up a notification saying please install flash for additional functionality | 18:47 |
| shadeslayer | same thing can be done for ark | 18:47 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: possibly a Qt solution? | 18:48 |
| shadeslayer | im trying to not get kdelibs into the equation :P | 18:48 |
| JontheEchidna | shadeslayer: QLineEdit, though KLineEdit is better integrated with KDE | 18:48 |
| shadeslayer | ohk | 18:48 |
| ari-tczew | shadeslayer: good idea. | 18:49 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: it can be added to a scene right? how do i set it to be at the top then? | 18:50 |
| JontheEchidna | shadeslayer: I've not done much work with QGraphicsView I'm afraid | 18:50 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 18:50 |
| shadeslayer | wow .. it has scene->addLine | 18:51 |
| shadeslayer | need to check this out | 18:51 |
| sheytan | apachelogger http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/1579/filesharing.png | 18:53 |
| idis | shadeslayer: i see libmarblewidget11 replaces/breaks libmarble4, but i don't see such, previous were libmarblewidget10 and libmarblewidget4. Maybe i'm looking at this one wrong? | 18:53 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: lol http://i.imgur.com/kWFIY.png | 18:53 |
| JontheEchidna | shadeslayer: I suppose it literally added a line | 18:54 |
| shadeslayer | idis: ok lemme check the revision :) | 18:54 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: yeah :P | 18:54 |
| shadeslayer | idis: this is in edu? | 18:55 |
| idis | shadeslayer: indeed, kdeedu/marble | 18:55 |
| * idis was reading debian/control trunk | 18:55 | |
| shadeslayer | idis: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdeedu/ubuntu/changes | 18:56 |
| shadeslayer | that lists all the changes | 18:56 |
| ari-tczew | ark couldn't handle with files in parts? | 18:57 |
| shadeslayer | ari-tczew: nope | 18:57 |
| shadeslayer | idis: doesnt look new | 18:57 |
| shadeslayer | idis: see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdeedu/ubuntu/revision/112 | 18:57 |
| shadeslayer | when it was changed it already had a breaks/replaces on libmarble4 | 18:58 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: any ideas what values http://doc.trolltech.com/latest/qgraphicsitem.html#setGraphicsEffect can take? | 19:22 |
| shadeslayer | i cant find any thing | 19:23 |
| shadeslayer | sheytan: nice | 19:23 |
| JontheEchidna | QGraphicsEffects | 19:23 |
| JontheEchidna | or various subclasses thereof | 19:23 |
| JontheEchidna | such as those listed as subclasses on the QGraphicsEffect documentatino page | 19:24 |
| sheytan | shadeslayer thanks :D | 19:24 |
| shadeslayer | ah ok | 19:24 |
| shadeslayer | dammit ill be working till morning ... and ill be so consumed in this web browser :P | 19:24 |
| shadeslayer | omg | 19:27 |
| shadeslayer | i suppose i can submit this as a app to ovi markget | 19:27 |
| shadeslayer | *market | 19:27 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ^^ | 19:27 |
| shadeslayer | i dont suppose the browser uses QWebGraphicsView | 19:28 |
| shadeslayer | ( maemo browser ) | 19:28 |
| shadeslayer | bah | 20:03 |
| shadeslayer | how do i set a bool value | 20:03 |
| shadeslayer | like .. how do i pass it to a setFoo function | 20:04 |
| shadeslayer | foo->setFoo(true) or foo->setFoo(bool true) isnt working | 20:05 |
| jjesse | i just updated my natty vm and i like the login screen, black and silver, looks really cool | 20:15 |
| jjesse | and the background looks awesome as well | 20:15 |
| shadeslayer | jjesse: lol | 20:17 |
| shadeslayer | thats a bug | 20:17 |
| jjesse | really? | 20:17 |
| jjesse | i want to keep it :) | 20:17 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 20:18 |
| shadeslayer | its a placeholder :P | 20:18 |
| jjesse | whats its supposed to look like | 20:20 |
| shadeslayer | jjesse: something awesome ... | 20:22 |
| shadeslayer | they havent commited it yet | 20:22 |
| jjesse | yay i like awesome | 20:22 |
| * penguin42 wonders if there is a way to just rebuild one of the binary debs from kde4libs rather than all 42 | 20:24 | |
| shadeslayer | penguin42: dude ... kde4libs is a source tar .. and then we split them into debs | 20:25 |
| shadeslayer | so no matter what.... all 42 debs get built | 20:25 |
| shadeslayer | hey! | 20:25 |
| shadeslayer | kde4libs has 42 debs? :P | 20:25 |
| penguin42 | shadeslayer: Yeh I'm just trying to fiddle with solid's udisks back end, and am adding debug etc | 20:25 |
| shadeslayer | penguin42: not possible :) | 20:26 |
| penguin42 | it's not taking too long, but the time to xz all of the debs is taking some time | 20:26 |
| shadeslayer | ah you can export vars to disable that i suppose | 20:26 |
| penguin42 | the build is being good enough to only recompile the stuff it needs, but the .deb packaging is still doing all of them | 20:27 |
| * penguin42 is trying to fix kde bug 181847 | 20:27 | |
| ubottu | KDE bug 181847 in kfileplacesview "Dolphin doesn't show crypt_LUKS partition (on built-in harddrive) in"Places"" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=181847 | 20:27 |
| idis | shadeslayer: what i meant is i don't think we support multiple versions of libmarblewidget in parallel on the system, because they rely on data files which change from time to time | 21:16 |
| idis | shadeslayer: so i think one version should conflict past ones | 21:16 |
| idis | shadeslayer: that there is no breaks/replaces means multiple versions can coexist ? | 21:18 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 21:18 |
| shadeslayer | you mean libmarblewidget11 does not conflict with libmarblewidget10 | 21:18 |
| idis | i have the impression that those crashes are from people who upgrade either marble or any app using libmarble, which would imply multiple version | 21:19 |
| shadeslayer | well i dont see a libmarblewidget10 in the archives | 21:19 |
| idis | i don't have an ubuntu system to try and reproduce those setups, but given we have 4-5 systematic crash at startup means there is an issue | 21:19 |
| idis | shadeslayer: i see it in merkaat? | 21:20 |
| shadeslayer | idis: thats what im trying :) | 21:20 |
| shadeslayer | idis: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu | 21:20 |
| shadeslayer | its in meerkat yes | 21:21 |
| shadeslayer | but no libmarblewidget4 then | 21:21 |
| idis | well ;) | 21:21 |
| shadeslayer | hmm .. but i dont know if it would have been left installed by apt | 21:21 |
| rbelem | Riddell, ScottK, apachelogger, I updated plasma-mobile package. Could you take a look on it :-) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-mobile | 21:22 |
| shadeslayer | apt probably removes the library, but im not sure | 21:22 |
| shadeslayer | rbelem: have you ever made a app for your N900? | 21:22 |
| idis | that's my hypothesis, i would rekon and update with either an old marble and a new showfoto or reverse | 21:23 |
| shadeslayer | i need a quick answer because im to lazy to google :P | 21:23 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer, hum... | 21:23 |
| idis | shadeslayer: i have, what's your issue? | 21:23 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer, a simple app, dont | 21:24 |
| shadeslayer | idis: unfourtunately .. thats a bit of a issue since now we have a newere libmarble in archives ... | 21:24 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer, i was working in a project called qtwrt | 21:24 |
| shadeslayer | idis: well .. i was wondering if this would work :http://gitweb.kde.org/scratch/garg/DemoWebViewBrowser.git | 21:24 |
| shadeslayer | rbelem: ah ok .... | 21:25 |
| shadeslayer | rbelem: ^^ | 21:25 |
| shadeslayer | idis: rbelem i can use CMake on maemo right? | 21:25 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer, but the code sux a lot :-( | 21:25 |
| shadeslayer | rbelem: hehe :) | 21:25 |
| shadeslayer | im just downloading the SD | 21:25 |
| shadeslayer | *SDK | 21:25 |
| shadeslayer | what started out as a demo browser is now becoming a full blown project :P | 21:26 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer, i think you can | 21:26 |
| shadeslayer | onice | 21:26 |
| rbelem | not sure | 21:26 |
| idis | shadeslayer: yes, we package kde apps on n900 | 21:26 |
| idis | shadeslayer: and debian toolkit is needed to package | 21:26 |
| idis | maemo | 21:26 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer, http://paste.ubuntu.com/549367/ i made one script to help me with debian/copyright | 21:26 |
| rbelem | apachelogger, ^ | 21:27 |
| shadeslayer | pyth0rn | 21:27 |
| rbelem | update debian/copyright is really boring | 21:27 |
| shadeslayer | wait | 21:27 |
| shadeslayer | rbelem: apachelogger has some scripts regarding copyright too | 21:28 |
| shadeslayer | dunno if they do the same thing | 21:28 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer, he sent to me these scripts some time ago | 21:28 |
| shadeslayer | idis: erm .. not that ... i was wondering if you can compile a app that has cmake in it | 21:28 |
| shadeslayer | rbelem: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/scripts/ << these ones? | 21:28 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer, yup | 21:29 |
| shadeslayer | oh ok :) | 21:29 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer, i want to make debian/copyright generation completely automatic | 21:29 |
| shadeslayer | ah ok | 21:29 |
| rbelem | how i hate debian/copyright | 21:30 |
| shadeslayer | idis: so i just install the SDK and use QtCreator to run my app on the N900? | 21:30 |
| idis | shadeslayer: i said yes, cause we package marble on n900 (kde app with cmake ;) | 21:30 |
| shadeslayer | well the emulator | 21:30 |
| shadeslayer | ah ok | 21:30 |
| rbelem | afiestas, ping | 21:31 |
| * shadeslayer cant figure out how to add a urlbar to a QGraphicsScene | 21:31 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: dude im stuck on this ^^ | 21:31 |
| shadeslayer | lol http://i.imgur.com/yWYeU.png | 21:44 |
| penguin42 | bloody hell, that hack works | 21:48 |
| shadeslayer | penguin42: ?? | 21:49 |
| shadeslayer | penguin42: my QLineEdit? | 21:49 |
| penguin42 | shadeslayer: No, mine :-) I can now mount and unmount a luks partition from within dolphin | 21:49 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 21:49 |
| shadeslayer | awesome! | 21:50 |
| penguin42 | shadeslayer: It's been done mostly with voodoo programming and guess work about the solid->udisks stack | 21:52 |
| shadeslayer | ooohhh voodoo programming | 21:52 |
| shadeslayer | thats the most awesome fomr | 21:52 |
| shadeslayer | *form | 21:52 |
| penguin42 | if not necessarily the most reliable | 21:52 |
| shadeslayer | now i have to figure out how to put my QLineEdit and WebVIew in a layout | 21:52 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 21:52 |
| shadeslayer | penguin42: yep | 21:52 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: apachelogger lawl http://paste.kde.org/1643 | 22:13 |
| shadeslayer | wait | 22:14 |
| shadeslayer | http://i.imgur.com/7rDaa.png | 22:14 |
| shadeslayer | hehehe | 22:14 |
| idis | Riddell: do you support multiple libmarblewidget packages installed toguether? | 22:17 |
| Riddell | idis: yes, I don't see any conflicts on the older versions | 22:19 |
| Riddell | but in general there will only be one in the archive at any one time | 22:19 |
| Riddell | since kdeedu only builds one | 22:20 |
| idis | Riddell: problem i see could be when people upgrade | 22:20 |
| Riddell | what's the problem? | 22:22 |
| idis | we have couple bugs with people having digikam 1.5.0 app using libmarblewidget10 | 22:22 |
| idis | and reliable crash | 22:22 |
| idis | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259631 and all duplicates | 22:22 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 259631 in general "Digikam crash" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate] | 22:22 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: so the question is ... does apt remove the older lib? | 22:25 |
| idis | shadeslayer: it doesn't until someone asks it to | 22:25 |
| idis | or its automatic unused removal | 22:26 |
| shadeslayer | idis: i think it removes it if it cant find it in the archive | 22:26 |
| shadeslayer | but im not sure | 22:26 |
| idis | no way, if you only upgrade one app and keep others, it will not remove an older lib being required | 22:26 |
| Riddell | do we even have any packages of 1.5.0? | 22:27 |
| idis | so it's clearly possible to have many versions of a lib at at time | 22:27 |
| idis | problem is if it shouldn't happen then conflicts should be there | 22:27 |
| idis | i reckon you must have had | 22:27 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: natty has 1.7.0 | 22:28 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 22:28 |
| shadeslayer | from the PPA's | 22:28 |
| idis | and meerkat has? | 22:28 |
| Riddell | 1.4.0 | 22:28 |
| shadeslayer | officially | 22:28 |
| Riddell | can't find 1.5.0 in any PPA | 22:28 |
| yofel | beta ppa has 1.5.0 though | 22:28 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 22:28 |
| yofel | *** 2:1.5.0-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 0 | 22:29 |
| yofel | 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu/ maverick/main amd64 Packages | 22:29 |
| Riddell | ah, it's in beta | 22:29 |
| ulysses | Riddell: could you please rebuild plasma-widget-smooth-tasks for Natty? maybe it solves that adding smooth tasks to panel crashes the plasma-desktop | 22:29 |
| yofel | that depends on libmarblewidget11 (>= 4:4.5.80) though | 22:29 |
| Riddell | ulysses: maybe? | 22:30 |
| Riddell | ulysses: can't you test it? | 22:30 |
| ulysses | Riddell: I'll do | 22:31 |
| Riddell | idis: so our only package of 1.5.0 links against libmarblewidget.so.11, but the package will depend on whatever version it compiled against | 22:32 |
| Riddell | so there shouldn't be an issue of it using a version different from what it compiled against, that's exactly why we change the package name with SONAME changes | 22:32 |
| idis | you mean it's impossible to keep old version of a meerkat app and a new version of natty, leading to 2 versions of marble lib at the same time? | 22:34 |
| yofel | idis: sure you can have 10 and 11 installed at the same time, digikam will only use whatever it was build with though | 22:35 |
| idis | so my question: is this supported to have the 2 versions at the same time? | 22:35 |
| idis | i think this is why we have the crashes | 22:36 |
| idis | and the reason why there were breaks/replaces stances in the past | 22:37 |
| yofel | well, ldd says digikam is linked against libmarblewidget.so.11 => /usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.11 (0x00007fb2dd1d3000) | 22:42 |
| yofel | so it shouldn't even try to use .10 in any case | 22:42 |
| yofel | if it does then it's either an outdated package linked against .10, or I don't get gcc | 22:43 |
| idis | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259631 shows a digikam 2:1.5.0-0ubuntu1 using marble .10 | 22:45 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 259631 in general "Digikam crash" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate] | 22:45 |
| Riddell | that's an old version | 22:46 |
| yofel | hm, could be that 1.5.0 in natty *was* built with marble .10 - point is 1.7.0 in natty is built with marble .11, which is what he should use | 22:46 |
| Riddell | probably he was unlucky and just got it when KDE Platform was a new version but digikam wasn't rebuilt for it | 22:47 |
| Riddell | that's what happens when you use development distro versions | 22:47 |
| idis | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259623 shows reporter with both libmarble 10 and 11 | 22:47 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 259623 in general "Application: showFoto (showfoto), signal: Segmentation fault (opening jpg)" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate] | 22:47 |
| Riddell | just tell him to dist-upgrade | 22:47 |
| Riddell | same thing there | 22:47 |
| idis | so my hypothesis is it's not possible to have both versions installed | 22:48 |
| Riddell | it should be, we mostly rebuild digikam for those pesky kdegraphics libraries that keep changing soname | 22:49 |
| Riddell | but maybe there's some reason why it's not and we should add a conflicts | 22:49 |
| Riddell | but mostly those people should dist upgrade | 22:51 |
| Riddell | want me to say that on the bugs? | 22:52 |
| idis | agree, but... if we find either the root cause or add a preventive conflict in packaging, then people will stop posting those ;) | 22:52 |
| idis | the setup should be easy to reproduce, kdegraphics from meerat and marble from natty | 22:53 |
| Riddell | can't really br reproduced since we don't have those 1.5.0 packages around any more | 22:57 |
| idis | ouch | 22:58 |
| idis | well, thanks for input anyway | 22:59 |
| ulysses | Riddell: I rebuilded plasma-widget-smooth-tasks and installed it, it doesn't crash plasma-desktop now | 23:00 |
| Riddell | ulysses: ok I'll upload it in a bit | 23:01 |
| * penguin42 reads the Device notifier sources and sees there is a checkable item for 'Show hidden devices' - now if only I could find that on the GUI I'd be happy | 23:26 | |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: its a no go for v8 in natty .... apparently the folks over at #qtwebkit says its not ready and doesnt build on all platforms | 23:28 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: oh well. I have to say I'm more concerned about flash not working properly | 23:32 |
| Riddell | also about ajax and utf8 not working proprely in rekonq with KDE Platform 4.6 | 23:32 |
| rbelem | hey Riddell | 23:33 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://webkit.sed.hu/blog/20101216/benchmarking-qtwebkit-v8-linux | 23:33 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: thats because of kdewebkit | 23:34 |
| Riddell | hi rbelem | 23:36 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: does rekonq even use kdewebkit? | 23:36 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: yes! | 23:36 |
| Riddell | oh aye, libkdewebkit5, so it odes | 23:36 |
| rbelem | :-) | 23:36 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: i made a demo browser today using Qgraphics web view :P | 23:37 |
| shadeslayer | its faster than rekonq | 23:37 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://gitweb.kde.org/scratch/garg/DemoWebViewBrowser.git | 23:37 |
| shadeslayer | i have to add a urlbar tho ... took me 6 hours to figure out how | 23:37 |
| shadeslayer | will commit it tomorrow | 23:38 |
| shadeslayer | need to sleep | 23:38 |
| shadeslayer | cya | 23:38 |
| rbelem | my wifi connection is falling all the time :-( | 23:39 |
| rbelem | Riddell, ping | 23:39 |
| Riddell | hi rbelem | 23:42 |
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