[01:11] <zebastianortis> http://freedomainradio.com/BOARD/forums/p/28810/221573.aspx#221573
[17:26] <now3d> Hi there.  Could I ask if you would consider switching the Adobe Flash videos to be in the Ogg Theora format and use <video> tag? I looked at http://lubuntu.net/ but all the videos wouldn't play from Firefox on Ubuntu.
[17:28] <Timo_> that's an interesting point you're making :)
[17:28] <phillw> hiyas now3d you can propose it on the mailing list, but we are running really tight for the 11.04 deadlines
[17:29] <phillw> now3d: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved
[17:30] <phillw> all contributions are welcome, and we do have some lively discussions on emails - but you will not be spammed to death and have your email inbox filled :D
[18:16] <needhelp> hi@all
[18:17] <needhelp> i installed lubuntu but in the end the pc needs to restart
[18:17] <needhelp> but didnt restart
[18:17] <needhelp> i close the pc myself
[18:17] <needhelp> and after i started the pc nothing works
[18:17] <needhelp> i cant open webbrowser
[18:18] <needhelp> someone can help me
[18:18] <now3d> phillw: ok, i will email. Do you know if i can post without being a member to lxde-list@lists.sourceforge.net ?
[18:19] <now3d> needhelp: what happens when you restart? Can you login ok?
[18:19] <needhelp> i can login
[18:19] <needhelp> i see the destop
[18:20] <needhelp> but i cant use the webbrowser and other programms
[18:20] <needhelp> thats the 2nd time i installed but same problem
[18:21] <now3d> are the other programs on the start menu?
[18:22] <now3d> perhaps your hard drive has errors, which prevent the install completing.
[18:22] <needhelp> mhh wait i need to start my pc
[18:31] <needhelp> ok i started it is there a opinion to repair by cd?
[18:31] <needhelp> my english is not so good im from germany
[18:32] <Yorvyk> needhelp, there isn't a repair option. What's the problem
[18:34] <needhelp> i installed lubuntu but in the end of the instalation it needs to restart but after 15 min the computer didnt restart
[18:34] <Yorvyk> now3d, I think your suggestion about the videos is a good one, if you wan'y I'll put it in the mailing list for you .
[18:34] <needhelp> i  closed the computer myself
[18:34] <needhelp> and after i start computer nothing works
[18:34] <needhelp> i can login
[18:35] <needhelp> webbrowser cant start
[18:36] <needhelp> i can start terminal
[18:36] <Yorvyk> needhelp, type 'chromium-browser' in the terminal
[18:38] <needhelp> failed
[18:38] <now3d> needhelp: You could press Alt+F-key, and see if any error messages there
[18:39] <now3d> needhelp: Also please boot and check your drives for bad sectors: http://m.jguk.org/2007/11/check-your-filesystems.html
[18:40] <needhelp> after i did
[18:40] <needhelp> what need i do
[18:41] <needhelp> can i repair the system by cd or a code
[18:41] <needhelp> cant
[18:41] <Yorvyk> needhelp, did the browser start
[18:42] <needhelp> no ddidnt
[18:43] <Yorvyk> did you get any error message in the terminal
[18:43] <needhelp> y i did wait i trie to copy by usb stick
[18:52] <needhelp> cant anybody help me
[18:52] <needhelp> can i install firefoy
[18:52] <needhelp> firefox if yes how
[18:53] <now3d> needhelp: Did you complete fsck check on your drive?
[18:53] <now3d> needhelp: Did you press Alt+F-key and see any output indicating the error?
[18:53] <bioterror> X was broken on Natty
[18:53] <now3d> needhelp: I will wait for your replies on these two questions before providing further help
[18:53] <bioterror> upgrades fixed it
[18:55] <needhelp> nothing happens if i press alt+ f
[18:56] <now3d> Which F-Keys did you press?
[18:57] <needhelp> F
[18:57] <needhelp> ah sry i need to pres f1 or f2 or f3
[18:57] <now3d> F is a "function key" see top of keyboard
[18:57] <needhelp> orß
[18:57] <needhelp> OR?
[18:57] <needhelp> what
[18:57] <now3d> press Ctrl+Alt+F1  etc
[18:58] <needhelp> i need to login?
[18:58] <now3d> no, just look at the error output. You can see the error from install. do not reboot manuaully
[18:59] <needhelp> im newbie in linux
[18:59] <needhelp> how i see the error output
[18:59] <needhelp> i need to write something?
[19:05] <now3d> are there any errors indicated on the different screens?
[19:05] <now3d> Ctrl+Alt+F8 normally should show after the install
[19:08] <needhelp> how i come out command display i pushed crt+alt+f1     now if i push crt+alt+f8 nothing happens
[19:09] <Yorvyk> ctrl+alt+f7
[19:11] <needhelp> ok i pushed ctr  alt f8  ther is only a _
[19:12] <needhelp> what do i need to do
[19:14] <needhelp> only a _ is blinking
[19:14] <needhelp> what do i need to do
[19:20] <now3d> needhelp: Did you look after the install completed?   Or did you reboot?
[19:23] <bioterror> hi sz
[19:35] <szczur> hi bioterror
[19:43] <lubuntufan> Hello, can someone tell me how many partitions to create and the size, including swap. thanks
[19:44] <Yorvyk> lubuntufan, you can get away with as little as 3 GiB for /
[19:45] <bioterror> one partition and swap
[19:45] <bioterror> depends what you're doing
[19:45] <bioterror> and how much ram
[19:45] <bioterror> if you're going to hibernate, then about as much SAWP as you have you RAM
[19:45] <bioterror> but like 2GB is okay for the swap and rest /
[19:46] <Yorvyk> lubuntufan, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq is as good as any expalnation of swap
[19:46] <lubuntufan> Thanks, Yorvyk. I have been having difficulties with teh installation. Primary HD is Win7 and I am installing to a SD Card (duped as a HD) and from a USB. It installs fine but deletes all teh partitions on the SD.
[19:48] <Yorvyk> lubuntufan, that depends on what you tell the installer to do
[19:49] <Yorvyk> lubuntufan, I always specify which partition to install to.
[19:49] <lubuntufan> If I try to install on a Fat32 partition on the SD, I get an error that no root file system defined. Hence chose the automated install "install along with other OSs" option.
[19:49] <Yorvyk> lubuntufan, it won't install on FAT32
[19:50] <Yorvyk> and I wouldn't recommend a swap a partition on an SD card either
[19:51] <Yorvyk> unless you only intend to try it for a short while
[19:51] <lubuntufan> Ok. that's where teh problem is..not installing on Fat32. So what do you receommend?
[19:52] <bioterror> ext4 ofkooz
[19:52] <lubuntufan> How about NTFS?
[19:52] <bioterror> hahahaha
[19:52] <bioterror> "I Like my filesystem like my girls, fat and 16" :D
[19:52] <Yorvyk> ext2 on an SD card or create a partition on the HD
[19:54] <Yorvyk> If you have over 1.5 GiB of RAM you don't really need swap
[19:54] <bioterror> Yorvyk, any scientific proofs about not using journaling fs on sd
[19:54] <lubuntufan> Thanks. so do I need to create 2 partitions or will the installer also create the swap partition?
[19:54] <lubuntufan> ok. that answered my question...I have 4GB RAM
[19:56] <Yorvyk> So use manual install and select the SD card if you want to install there and tell it to format Ext2 and mount it at /
[19:57] <Yorvyk> bioterror, SD cards don't have very good wear levelling built in and are not designed to be constantly written and erased.
[19:58] <bioterror> Yorvyk, I think that's related to older cards
[19:58] <bioterror> flash drive technology has advanced
[19:58] <lubuntufan> Thank you so much Yorvyk. I will give it a try. But a bit leery on teh manual install. My SD is a SDHC Ultra II - 16GB.
[19:58] <bioterror> have you heard that they are using SSD drives!
[19:59] <lubuntufan> I am trying to us Lubuntu as a lightweight qucik boot for surfing/youtube etc.
[19:59] <bioterror> Yorvyk, if you think about DSLR cameras
[20:00] <Yorvyk> Yes but SSD drives have wear levelling algorithms built in so the same space doesn't get written to again and again.
[20:00] <Yorvyk> Good luck lubuntufan, any more problems call back :)
[20:02] <bioterror> ext4 can be used without journaling
[20:02] <bioterror> :D
[20:02] <lubuntufan> Thank you guys. The other reaon I am using teh SD is as I am running out of space in teh primary HD.
[20:03] <Yorvyk> I just recommend Ext2 because it saves altering parameters
[20:03] <Yorvyk> lubuntufan, you need to have a tidy up :)
[20:04] <lubuntufan> Let me try the installation again :)
[20:04] <Yorvyk> bioterror, Newer SD cards could last for years before failing but I don't like encouraging excessive wear if it can be avoided
[20:05] <bioterror> well yeah
[20:05] <bioterror> those are okay for reading stuff
[20:06] <bioterror> but constant usage is not good as browser cache on stuff
[20:06] <bioterror> and stuff
[20:07] <Yorvyk> In a camera you are not constantly reading and writing
[20:10] <bioterror> you're writing
[20:10] <phillw> I always advise a microsoft approved speed usb device, they are faster ans designed with fault tollarence built in. They cost 2 - 3 times of a standard usb stick, but mine has never let me down. I recall one guy saying he was going to blow up the manufactures of the 'cheap' ones as he'd had several fail on him. :P
[20:10] <bioterror> if you use RAW files, you write 10-40MB files
[20:12] <Yorvyk> USB stickes are different to SD cards.  SD cards rely on the controller and on cheap card readers fitted to most PCs these are not brilliant
[20:13] <phillw> Yorvyk: there are also SD cards and 'SD' cards... same applies - you get what you pay for :)
[20:13] <Yorvyk> The two most reliable USB flash drives I've had were £5 for 2 from Netto
[20:15] <Yorvyk> But if the controller is nothing great it may still end up writing to the same place over and over again
[20:15] <phillw> my 2GB one runs a full lubuntu with remembering every thing, it's actually hard to determine which is faster, as lubuntu is so lean.
[20:16] <phillw> my next laptop will be usb3 :D
[20:16] <Yorvyk> Can you get USB3 things to plug in?
[20:17] <phillw> I'm not sure if usb3 is fully supported in the kernel.
[20:17] <Yorvyk> May not be as there isn't much to test it on.
[20:18] <bioterror> 64GB USB3 stick is cheap ;)
[20:19] <Yorvyk> How cheap
[20:19] <phillw> Yorvyk: I've not seen it officially announced yet ... http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/255991/linux-first-to-support-usb-3
[20:20] <Yorvyk> I saw a MOBO about 18 months ago with USB3 on it but there was nothing to plug into it.
[20:20] <bioterror> hmmm
[20:20] <bioterror> actually
[20:21] <bioterror> 60GB usb 3.0 key is 245€
[20:22] <phillw> now, that's odd, why would Xorg be using up 30% of my processor time?
[20:22] <phillw> I've just seen my CPU usage spike to nearly 100%.
[20:23] <Yorvyk> what else was running
[20:24] <tenach> What is a good, slim ftp application?
[20:24] <bioterror> lftp
[20:25] <tenach> bioterror: thanks :D
[20:25] <phillw> http://pastebin.com/d6fXhZ9W
[20:25] <bioterror> I've never seen a really good working graphical ftp client on linux
[20:25] <bioterror> tbqh
[20:26] <tenach> bioterror: I really enjoy filezilla, but on my work machine i usually just use nautilus.
[20:26] <tenach> However, I'm spinning my own liveusb of lubuntu so I can have a slim, portable workstation.
[20:26] <bioterror> lftp handle sftp and stuff
[20:26] <tenach> That's all i need. :D
[20:27] <bioterror> you just need to remember that mirror -Rc sends stuff, and mirror -c receives
[20:27] <Yorvyk> phillw, it was bored and wanted some thing to do
[20:28] <phillw> Yorvyk: yeah, but it's a reet PITA to have to reboot, as I have to restart dragoneyes...... :(
[20:30] <bioterror> just kill X? :D
[20:30] <Yorvyk> I can get Xorg to spike like that moving windows around on a slow machine
[20:30] <Yorvyk> but it doesn't remain at that level
[20:36] <Yorvyk> phillw, I've  solved the problem http://pastebin.com/J4gnEfCR :P
[20:52] <phillw> Yorvyk: and now I'm totally confused.... http://pastebin.com/96idu249
[20:56] <Yorvyk> phillw, I've seen a few things about high Xorg usage, what video driver are you using
[20:57] <phillw> ahh... I think I found the cause, I had two instances of Chromium running.
[20:58] <phillw> as to why it would that to Xorg, pass.....
[20:59] <Yorvyk> phillw, that looks like a bug to me
[21:00] <phillw> yeah but in which package? Xorg or Chromium?
[21:01] <Yorvyk> Yeah :)
[21:02] <phillw> I'll see if does it again and report it to both teams - they can then argue it out :P
[21:02] <Yorvyk> all you can do really