[00:56] <anon33_> gnome-session-save --logout responds with the following error (i'm using awesome WM):
[00:57] <anon33_>  (gnome-session-save:18743): WARNING **: Failed to call logout: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files
[00:57] <anon33_> Anyone know how to fix this issue?
[00:58] <penguin42> sorry, not seen that
[01:18] <Senix> coz_, hello good sir
[01:18] <coz_> Senix,  hey guy
[01:19] <Senix> coz_, Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g that would be my wifi card
[01:19] <coz_> Senix,  yeah on  these things... wifi  I am not a real expert on... however many of the people here can most likely answer that for you:)
[01:20] <Senix> coz_, well if i run into any problems i'll ask, but before i plague myself upon these fine users i shall try google first.
[01:21] <coz_> Senix,  good thinking..or simply download and burn the daily or alpha 1  cd  and test it out :)
[01:21] <Senix> coz_, will do
[01:22] <sagaci> it's pretty buggy but that's expected
[01:24] <nit-wit> sagaci, its not buggy it's special:)
[01:28] <sagaci> ai'll try it again at alpha 2
[03:31] <scizzo-> happy new years
[03:42] <IdleOne> thank you scizzo- you too
[16:08] <coz_> good day all
[16:09] <IdleOne> Happy new year coz_
[16:09] <coz_> IdleOne,   :)  thanks   same to you guy
[16:10] <IdleOne> Thank you
[16:12] <coz_> has the desktop icons been include yet... when searching  I mean?
[16:12] <coz_> included rather
[16:13] <coz_> have not has
[16:13] <coz_> oh boy starting the new year as if it were last yere :)
[16:14] <coz_> also ... is canonical back from vacation yet?
[16:51] <penguin42> coz_: UK has a holiday on monday, and I guess people in most places will be slowly working their way back into work over the week
[16:52] <coz_> penguin42,  ok sounds reasonable... thanks :)
[16:54]  * mongy worked last monday, weds-thurs, off sat,sun,mon back tues.
[18:03] <orbisvicis> hi, what does ubuntu call the kernel image? /boot/vmlinu... ?
[18:03] <yofel> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.37-11-server for example
[18:06] <orbisvicis> yofel: thank you. that explains why the grub2 10_linux script searches for vmlinu[xz]-*
[18:06] <orbisvicis> (arch linux uses vmlinuz26, so that glob wouldnt work)
[18:15] <DrHalan> hey, hows natty coming along?
[18:17] <yofel> kubuntu great so far :P
[18:26] <bjsnider> the trouble with kubuntu is it has kde and not gnome
[18:26] <bjsnider> something's gotta be done about that
[18:26] <IdleOne> hehe
[19:43] <h4f> I got a kernel panic when inserting a cd.
[19:43] <penguin42> oh, shouldn't happen
[19:43] <penguin42> h4f: Do you have the full panic recorded in a log  (and has the system offered to submit it?)
[19:48] <h4f> penguin42: how do I get that log ?
[19:48] <penguin42> h4f: Did the machine crash when it happened or did it stumble on?
[19:48] <h4f> penguin42:  I tried writing an ISO to the disk. and it completes with failure. that means a CD is not in good. but any way the kernel should no panic
[19:49] <penguin42> yeh kernel shouldn't panic - so when you say it panic'd what did you see? An oops? Flashing keyboard lights?
[19:50] <h4f>  penguin42:  I see - switching to text mode. then stack trace. and few kernel panics mesages. and everything stopes working
[19:51] <penguin42> h4f: OK, well if you have a camera take a picture of what you see in text mode, after reboot you can see if there are any messages saved in /var/log/messages or /var/log/kern.log but it depends how much made it to disk as it crashed
[19:52] <h4f> penguin42:  ok i will do that later. may be 30 min
[19:56] <penguin42> for the record, I hate X cut/paste semantics
[20:00] <BUGabundo> evening
[20:00] <BUGabundo> stupid question of the year:
[20:00] <BUGabundo> how do I get compiz to start on boot? (classic desktop)
[20:04] <h4f> One more problem I have. when unplug the battery while laptop is running it gets kernel panic.
[20:05] <h4f> when the laptop is running and I plug in the battery crash it wont kernel panic. I have acer aspire 5720 which i think supports hot unplug of battery
[20:08] <penguin42> hmm never tried hot unplugging a battery
[20:10] <mongy> with autohide on, is there anyway to bring it back without moving the window
[20:16] <mongy> also, i keep trying to enable window previews and it locks my vbox guest everytime.
[20:26] <h4f> is there a way to record kernel panic info ?
[20:28] <jMCg> crash? kexec? kdump.. etc..
[20:29] <jMCg> http://www.google.com/images?client=opera&rls=en&q=linux%20panic&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi <<< This is the wrong way :-/
[20:31] <cozziemoto> has nayone had the issue when installing that monitor goes into a tizzy  stateing wrong resoulutin out of range?
[20:32] <penguin42> jMCg: I don't think Ubuntu has anything set up to capture them in a better way than that normally; although I see it reserves memroy for a crash kernel but I don't see it doing anything with it
[20:32] <cozziemoto> I have already teste with lucid and maverick and no issues
[20:33] <penguin42> cozziemoto: Then it's a regression - report it! What graphics card?
[20:33] <cozziemoto> penguin42,   nvidia
[20:33] <cozziemoto> penguin42,  it wont get to the grub menu of course...
[20:33] <penguin42> oh
[20:33] <penguin42> cozziemoto: Best to report it
[20:34] <jMCg> penguin42: all you have to do is install crash
[20:35] <penguin42> jMCg: Oh interesting, I didn't know that existed, is there a canned response to people to tell people to use it?
[20:36] <cozziemoto> i will also install an earlier daily build  to get past this
[20:36] <jMCg> !crash
[20:36] <jMCg> !kdump
[20:36] <jMCg> Nope.
[20:36] <penguin42> hmm
[20:38] <bcurtiswx_> anyone having bzr problems with python 2.7 ?
[20:39] <bcurtiswx_> with an lp address for example
[20:40] <bcurtiswx_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/549359/
[20:40] <penguin42> bcurtiswx_: bzr was very broken the other day
[20:40] <bcurtiswx_> penguin42, does it need a rebuild of some sort?
[20:41] <penguin42> bug 693880
[20:43] <bcurtiswx_> penguin42, muchas gracias. i'll see if balil's patch works for me :)
[20:46] <bcurtiswx_> penguin42, cool worked.  :)
[20:59] <jMCg> penguin42: here we go: add "deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ natty main multiverse restricted universe" to your /etc/apt/sources.list then: sudo aptitude install crash kdump-tools kexec-tools linux-image-$(uname -r)-dbgsym ; read /usr/share/doc/kdump-tools/README.Debian -- edit /etc/default/kdump-tools and /etc/default/grub accordingly
[21:01] <penguin42> sounds good in principal; not tried it
[21:02] <jMCg> I just did the last two or so steps, because Ubuntu, as opposed to Fedora doesn't do them.
[21:02] <jMCg> But generally, that's it.
[21:03] <jMCg> I just wish it would be there out of the box.
[21:03] <jMCg> Like, you know.. on a real Unix.
[21:03] <penguin42> file a bug on it
[21:06] <jMCg> Nonono. I mean: OUT OF THE BOX. You install a server someonewhere out there in the wild, you'll never have a monitor attached or anything. If it crashes you want it to leave you with a nice crashdump to analyze -- after comming up cleanly and starting all services again.
[21:07] <jMCg> http://lethargy.org/~jesus/writes/panic-linux-freebsd-and-solaris <<< Something like that.
[21:08] <jMCg> ``I like Linux, but I need savecore, I need it now, and I need it to unquestioningly, reliably work out-of-the-box.'' -- beautiful.
[21:16] <jMCg> The comments are a joy to read. And by that I mean my brain is freezing from the idiocy.
[21:19] <penguin42> just add chocolate
[21:25] <jMCg> I'm doing that right now.
[22:30] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, have you got a solution to the choppy scrolling iissue in chromium?
[22:30] <BUGabundo> don't have it
[22:31] <bjsnider> you don't have what, choppy scrolling, or a solution?
[22:31] <KM0201> why did desktop default to unity now?
[22:31] <BUGabundo> KM0201: not now
[22:31] <BUGabundo> been like that for weeks
[22:32] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: don't have choppy scroll AFAIS
[22:32] <KM0201> i just downloaded it.. i guess this has been discussed quite a bit?
[22:32] <penguin42> KM0201: If you don't like it you can select 'Classic desktop' from gdm/kdm
[22:32] <KM0201> penguin42: i know, but thats not the point.
[22:32] <penguin42> KM0201: Indeed, but that's somewhat contentious
[22:32] <KM0201> can you safely uninstall unity?
[22:33] <KM0201> penguin42: why would it be contentious?...
[22:41] <nit-wit> KM0201, have you tried the regular desktop it is already there
[22:42] <KM0201> nit-wit: yes.. i was just wondering why they changed "unity" to be default
[22:42] <em> any of you running Natty right now?
[22:42] <mongy> even more user friendly I guess.  but old faithful is still there.
[22:42] <bcurtiswx_> em, i believe most of us are running natty.. thats the purpose of this channel
[22:43] <nit-wit> KM0201, I guess it is the new thing I didn't like it at first but I can see gettng used to it but I have a few more OS installed as well
[22:43] <em> okay good could any of you tell me if there is a package called 'racket' in Natty
[22:43] <em> it's a version of scheme
[22:43] <bcurtiswx_> em, what version r u using?
[22:43] <em> maverick
[22:43] <KM0201> nit-wit: yeah, i guess.
[22:43] <penguin42> em: See packages.ubuntu.com
[22:43] <em> penguin42!
[22:43] <bcurtiswx_> penguin42, beat me to it.. lol thx
[22:44] <nit-wit> KM0201, I usualy just have a very tiny panel with a static what running dropdown, so the lack of control over the panels is a irritant.
[22:44] <nit-wit> *what's
[22:50] <em> Do any of you know why there is no package for racket in Ubuntu?
[22:50] <em> I filed a bug about that way back in Jaunty I think.
[22:51] <yofel> nobody bothered to package it? We get many packaging requests, much more than the MOTU team can take care of
[22:51] <yofel> iirc there was a request in the debian BTS too
[22:52] <SwedeMike> will there be vaapi on intel 4500 support by default in 11.04?
[22:52] <yofel> yep
[22:52] <yofel> em: debian bug 592688
[22:53] <SwedeMike> so one doesn't have to do all the stuff in http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=86581
[22:53] <em> yofel: I am the one who wrote that bug!
[22:54] <yofel> oh right, just noticed..
[22:55] <em> How will it get into Natty?
[22:56] <em> I filed that bug with Debian way back on August 12 2010 because everyone i talked to in Ubuntu said that was the way to do it. It will be in Natty?
[22:56] <yofel> unless someone wants to maintain a seperate racket package in Ubuntu, we wait for debian to package it and then sync from there
[22:57] <yofel> em: you can ask in #ubuntu-motu, they're the ones taking care of packaging requests
[22:57] <em> thanks.
[23:34]  * penguin42 wonders how to move/rearrange stuff on a KDE panel
[23:45] <rww> penguin42: click the cashew button on the far right, if it's there. if it's not, right-click the panel and Unlock Widgets first.
[23:46] <penguin42> rww: Oh I see, it wasn't obvious that when in that state it allowed movement of the panel icons
[23:46] <penguin42> rww: Thanks