[12:59] <YoBoY> Happy new year
[13:01] <YoBoY> mhall119: i'm not a french translator, they know how to correct the strange sentences btw ;)
[13:01]  * YoBoY hugs mhall119 
[15:37] <cjohnston> mornin
[17:49] <czajkowski> cjohnston: busy night 
[18:38] <paultag> Hello, world!
[19:29] <vorian> yo paultag
[19:30] <vorian> what't the plan for -ID?
[19:31] <czajkowski> vorian: we sent you a mail back there before Christmas regarding it 
[19:31] <paultag> yo vorian 
[19:31] <vorian> czajkowski: i remember no such mailing :(
[19:33]  * vorian see's it now
[19:33] <czajkowski> it was sent on the 17th december
[19:34] <vorian> so pretty much butt out and let the team continue to fail
[19:34] <vorian> I can do that
[19:34] <czajkowski> vorian: please don't see it that way, see it as a way to help them 
[19:35] <vorian> they don't seem to want my help
[19:35] <vorian> which is cool, they are all 6 hours away from me
[19:35] <czajkowski> well have you talked to them? in a meeting or something ?
[19:36] <vorian> they don't have meetings, or use the ml, or use the forums
[19:36] <czajkowski> so how do they communicate?
[19:36] <vorian> I havent been let in on that secret
[19:37] <vorian> I would love to help, but these guys have no idea of a loco team, and frankly it doesn't look like they care
[19:38] <vorian> maybe I would be better suited in mentoring a team who want's help
[19:40] <czajkowski> vorian: no need to say things like let in on a secrete it's not very helpful :s
[19:40] <pleia2> vorian: if there isn't a strong leader in a team reaching out to ask for help, a mentor isn't going to be very effective anyway
[19:41] <czajkowski> pleia2: hiya!
[19:41] <pleia2> hi czajkowski :)
[19:41] <vorian> I don't think Idaho would be my choice of teams to mentor at this point
[19:42] <pleia2> a team has to want to help itself, mostly when I "mentor" teams it means I hang out in their channel and when they have a question they just ping me, I don't push them in any direction, I don't give advice unless asked directly, it works very well, the team just needs to know they can ask me, or here, or the loco council, or *someone* when they have questions
[19:42] <czajkowski> vorian: maybe just sit back and wait and see. If it's not meant to be it's not meant to be, but they are trying even in their own way
[19:42] <czajkowski> pleia2: aye that s the correct way to mentor I beleive
[19:43] <vorian> right
[19:43] <czajkowski> goals and timelines right now, won't help a team perform imo 
[19:45] <vorian> true, but activities would help out a lot
[19:46] <czajkowski> vorian: I know, but if the team can they will, if they can't forcing them to become active won't help them in the long run 
[19:46] <czajkowski> it'll only be a stop gap 
[19:46] <czajkowski> and that's not helpful 
[19:47]  * vorian and team was able to get Ohio approved in 3 months
[19:47] <paultag> BRB
[19:48] <czajkowski> vorian: just because you can do it in 3months doesn't make it a good thing, or something all teams should strive for 
[19:48] <czajkowski> if it takes 3 months, 13 months or 3 years 
[19:48] <czajkowski> as long as a team are happy and being active it really doesn't matter tbh 
[19:49] <vorian> it seemed quite the accomplishment at the time, it's too bad it's looked down on now days
[19:49] <czajkowski> vorian: I did not say that at all. I'm saying it may not be the goal for every team 
[19:49] <czajkowski> just because you tick the boxes doesn't make it all good 
[19:50] <czajkowski> a team is more than that imo 
[19:50] <vorian> yes, clearly I don't fit in with Idaho
[19:50] <vorian> for shame