| jose | Hello, I'm hoping you guys can help me. I followed Daniel Holbach's videocast for setting up the tools. When I type in "pbuilder-dist natty create" I get an error, but when I type in "pbuilder-dist lucid create" it works. Is this because I'm running on Lucid? | 00:14 |
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| jose | Oops, sorry didn't realize the message above was partly cut off. I followed Daniel Holbach's videocast, and now I'm having the problem mentioned above. | 00:15 |
| Bachstelze | jose: please pastebin the exact error | 00:20 |
| Bachstelze | !pastebin| jose | 00:20 |
| ubottu | jose: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 00:20 |
| jose | http://paste.ubuntu.com/549182/ | 00:22 |
| jose | Any ideas? | 00:24 |
| Bachstelze | hmm, I'm using pbuilder directly, not with pbuilder-dist, so I don't know how you're supposed to get that script | 00:24 |
| maxb | is it in ubuntu-dev-tools ? | 00:25 |
| Bachstelze | it's in the package debootstrap in natty, you should be able to download it from packages.ubuntu.com and install it, but that's a bit ugly | 00:25 |
| jose | So, what do you recommend? | 00:26 |
| stgraber | jose: debootstrap doesn't seem to know natty. Maybe there's a backport of debootstrap for lucid that adds support for natty or you can workaround it with: sudo ln -sf gutsy /usr/share/deboostrap/scripts/natty | 00:27 |
| Bachstelze | I would recommend not using pbuilder-dist :p I'm not sure what it does but I'm doing fine without it | 00:27 |
| jose | If I run "sudo pbuilder --create natty" it seems to work fine. Any problems with doing so? | 00:27 |
| Bachstelze | you'll have a problem if you want to run several pbuilders (for different releases or architectures), the wiki has a nice .pbuilderrc that lets you do that with pbuilder | 00:28 |
| Bachstelze | !pbuilder | 00:29 |
| ubottu | pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto | 00:29 |
| Bachstelze | jose: look in section 13 | 00:29 |
| cjwatson | there should be a working debootstrap for everything up to natty in lucid-backports | 00:31 |
| cjwatson | yeah, there is, I just checked | 00:32 |
| jose | Okay, so what you guys are trying to say is if I do what I mentioned above, I'll only be able to work on natty? | 00:33 |
| jose | cjwatson, so do I have to update something? | 00:33 |
| cjwatson | yes, upgrade your debootstrap package to the version in lucid-backports and the error you showed will go away | 00:33 |
| Bachstelze | jose: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid-backports/debootstrap you can get it from here, or enable the backports in your package manager | 00:34 |
| jose | Okay, let's see if that works. | 00:37 |
| jose | Thank you, that fixed it. Where is all that data landing? | 00:39 |
| hakermania | happy new year | 00:53 |
| dnivra | hello. I am packaging openteacher and would like to know which template to use to create manpage- manpage.1.ex, manpage.sgml.ex or manpage.xml.ex? is there some preference given to either of them? also how can i watch a bazaar branch? is it possible? | 01:57 |
| maxb | my suggestion for manpages would be to use whichever formatting language tou are familiar with | 02:05 |
| maxb | it's not clear what you mean by watching a bazaar branch | 02:05 |
| dnivra | i'm writing man pages for first time and have not really worked with sgml/xml. what would you suggest? | 02:06 |
| dnivra | "watch" in the sense check upstream for changes using 'uscan'. | 02:06 |
| maxb | ah, no, you can't watch a branch with uscan | 02:07 |
| dnivra | so no way of adding it. great! | 02:08 |
| dnivra | maxb, any suggestions/advice on man pages? i'm totally new to packaging :). | 02:09 |
| dnivra | i read that having man pages is a plus and makes it easier to get it into debian and hence to ubuntu as well :). so just wanted a few opinions :). | 02:10 |
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| c_korn | Happy new year! | 12:29 |
| TheNumb | Hey guys. Any tips about curing alcohol poisoning? | 12:30 |
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| bdrung | kklimonda: around? | 16:34 |
| kklimonda | bdrung: yes | 17:43 |
| bdrung | kklimonda: what do you suggest as name for dprintf? | 17:43 |
| kklimonda | bdrung: I'd suggest simple debug | 17:44 |
| kklimonda | or debug_print | 17:44 |
| bdrung | debug is better | 17:45 |
| bdrung | kklimonda: are you interested in reviewing it? | 17:45 |
| kklimonda | bdrung: sure, but not today :) | 17:47 |
| ari-tczew | hey, what does mean last column on page http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/debcheck/debcheck.py?dist=natty&list=ALL ? | 17:47 |
| bdrung | kklimonda: what do you think about the function names? | 17:48 |
| ari-tczew | who is reponsible for debcheck/ubuntuwire? | 17:50 |
| kklimonda | bdrung: what happens if kibi_init isn't called before other kibi functions? | 17:51 |
| * tumbleweed prods bdrung with a code review reminder | 17:51 | |
| bdrung | kklimonda: it uses the packers default config | 17:52 |
| kklimonda | bdrung: mhm, great | 17:52 |
| bdrung | we have three levels of configuration: user, system, and packager | 17:53 |
| kklimonda | bdrung: but kibi_init do have a warning that it should be called before any other kibi function. | 17:53 |
| kklimonda | bdrung: I'm asking because later there is a #define g_format_size_for display kibi_format_size... | 17:54 |
| kklimonda | bdrung: if other people are like myself someone will forget to add kibi_init call at some point ;) | 17:54 |
| bdrung | kklimonda: the warning is there because the user and system configuration is ignore if you don't run kibi_init | 17:55 |
| bdrung | kklimonda: there is an alternative: check in every function call if libkibi is initialized (one if(foo == NULL)) and drop kibi_init | 17:56 |
| kklimonda | bdrung: I wonder.. it makes sense, most _init functions, at least in the "G" world, are there because you pass some arguments to them. g_type_init is the only exception I can think of right now | 18:00 |
| cdbs | ari-tczew: There are some people who maintain ubuntuwire, such as wgrant and ajmitch (I may be wrong) | 18:00 |
| kklimonda | (also, an additional condition check is a performance penatly of sort - even when you use UNLIKELY macro) | 18:01 |
| bdrung | kklimonda: it's a trade of. what do you prefer? | 18:01 |
| kklimonda | bdrung: I guess it depends on how often the functions are going to be called - with correcly used UNLIKELY macro the overhead of the if check should be negligible.. | 18:08 |
| bdrung | kklimonda: what do you mean with "unlikely macro"? | 18:10 |
| kklimonda | bdrung: gcc has __builtin_expect which is, by kernel and by glib, wrapped in LIKELY/UNLIKELY macros - when you use one you inform the compiler that the wrapped condtional is unlikely/likely to evaluate to something - gcc uses it for optimalization | 18:13 |
| bdrung | kklimonda: can you give me an example? | 18:14 |
| bdrung | or point me to one? | 18:14 |
| kklimonda | bdrung: there are quite a lot of examples in glib/gobject sources (sorry for the delay, got a call) | 18:32 |
| bcurtiswx_ | im using bzr bd and it required a version of gsettings-desktop-schemas, so i build that and used dpkg to install it.. (both the regular and -dev) so the version on my system were right.. but it still fails at the dep check. idk why | 21:25 |
| ari-tczew | what do you think about merge package devscripts into ubuntu-dev-tools? | 21:27 |
| dapal | maybe the contrary ;) -- but a bad idea, introducing an unnecessary delta between Debian and Ubuntu | 21:31 |
| bcurtiswx_ | why doesn't bzr bd notice my package version changes ? | 21:32 |
| bcurtiswx_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/549372/ | 21:38 |
| bcurtiswx_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/549372/ i still can't figure out why its not recognizing the correct version.. any ideas? | 22:29 |
| em | Hi everyone. | 22:57 |
| em | I was here quite a long time ago asking about the Racket package for Ubuntu. I was told that Ubuntu cannot make packages and it leaves that to Debian. | 22:58 |
| em | I was told I should file a bug with Debian, and I did, here -- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=592688 | 22:58 |
| em | That was on August 12, 2010, can Racket be in Natty now? | 22:59 |
| maxb | em: That bug report has not yet resulted in a finished package in Debian | 23:00 |
| em | That's incredible. | 23:01 |
| maxb | huh? | 23:01 |
| em | I filed that bug on August 12, 2010. I'm really surprised that Racket can't have any package in Ubuntu. | 23:01 |
| maxb | em: You are asking volunteers to do something, on their own time. They are doing it. | 23:02 |
| em | Yeah Im not complaining. Im just disappointed. | 23:03 |
| bdrung | em: the only way to ensure that the software is package is either to do it yourself or to pay someone for it. | 23:15 |
| em | bdrung: okay how much would that cost? | 23:16 |
| paultag | bdrung: has anyone ever paid you? | 23:16 |
| paultag | because that would be sweet. | 23:16 |
| bdrung | paultag: no | 23:16 |
| em | how much? | 23:16 |
| paultag | em: might want to pay someone @debian.org | 23:16 |
| bdrung | em: you need to find someone. | 23:16 |
| paultag | bdrung: I s'pose most @canonical get that deal | 23:17 |
| bdrung | em: the problem you will have if you pay someone for packaging it, you won't have someone who maintains it | 23:18 |
| em | there is already someone who maintains it. It makes no sense to me. | 23:18 |
| bdrung | i found this: http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/racket.git | 23:18 |
| em | look at this -- http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/racket.git;a=commit;h=86f39a16c0caf051cf9800b25858a156bd29b26d | 23:18 |
| bdrung | it's in NEW -> http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html | 23:19 |
| em | what needs to happen so that it is in position so that Ubuntu can have a package for Racket? | 23:20 |
| paultag | em: we pull every six months from Debian. If it's in Debian, it's most likely it will migrate the next sync | 23:20 |
| paultag | unless there's a block, but I doubt that muchly. | 23:21 |
| bdrung | em: a debian ftp-master has to accept the package. then someone needs to request a sync. | 23:21 |
| bdrung | paultag: it targets experimental. so it won't get synced automatically | 23:21 |
| paultag | bdrung: roger. | 23:23 |
| paultag | I did not even look at it | 23:23 |
| bdrung | kklimonda: the performance loss with removing the kibi_init function would be 1.3 % | 23:53 |
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