| mikedep333 | hello | 01:52 |
|---|---|---|
| mikedep333 | my plans fell through for a NYE party | 01:52 |
| waltman | awww | 01:52 |
| mikedep333 | so I figured I'd chat with some techies that will be celebrating it within the same time zone as me | 01:52 |
| mikedep333 | what IRC channel consists of people in GMT-5? #Ubuntu-US-PA of course! | 01:53 |
| waltman | of course! | 01:53 |
| mikedep333 | right now I'm organizing tons of paper records/files | 01:53 |
| mikedep333 | wishing they were electronic | 01:54 |
| mikedep333 | any good video stream online for new year's? | 01:54 |
| mikedep333 | so I was pretty interested in the archos 101 | 01:56 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.amazon.com/ARCHOS-101-Internet-Tablet-8GB/dp/B00422W5QO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1293847017&sr=8-1 | 01:57 |
| mikedep333 | an overall well-rounded 10" android tablet | 01:57 |
| mikedep333 | but there's some issues, such as the build quality could be better and the screen has poor viewing angles | 01:57 |
| mikedep333 | you can see the 3.5 star review average | 01:58 |
| mikedep333 | it's more like 4 stars for techies | 01:58 |
| waltman | I'm just listening to WXPN | 01:58 |
| mikedep333 | oh, good idea | 01:58 |
| mikedep333 | do I stream it to my computer or use a physical radio (such as my chumby)? | 01:58 |
| waltman | I use my radio, but you can listen online at xpn.org. They also have an iPhone app. | 01:59 |
| mikedep333 | cool | 02:06 |
| mikedep333 | I just tried to use my chumby's FM radio, and it was picking up station names, but it was like all static or silence | 02:07 |
| mikedep333 | I thought it may be an FM radio that uses headphones as antennas, but plugging in a pair didn't help | 02:07 |
| mikedep333 | so I opened up shoutcast radio, searched for WXPN, and found it | 02:08 |
| mikedep333 | *on the chumby | 02:08 |
| mikedep333 | and I heard a message saying that it costs them money to stream it | 02:08 |
| mikedep333 | so I used my old alarm clock from the 90's or so that my dad gave me, and it's working fine | 02:08 |
| mikedep333 | *alarm clock radio | 02:08 |
| mikedep333 | in the days of the internet you forget about local media | 02:09 |
| mikedep333 | anyway, the archos 70 is getting great reviews | 02:10 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.amazon.com/Archos-70-Internet-Tablet-Black/product-reviews/B00422SH5C/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 | 02:10 |
| waltman | Kids these days...It's a radio. You turn it on, and it plays you music. | 02:39 |
| InHisName | To all who are reading this more than three hours from now . . . ----> Happy New Year !! | 02:39 |
| waltman | Note that WXPN broadcasts from Philadelphia. You've got to be in the area to pick it up over the air. | 02:40 |
| mikedep333 | yeah | 02:43 |
| mikedep333 | I was hoping for some sort of new years themed show. | 02:44 |
| mikedep333 | now the host is talking | 02:44 |
| mikedep333 | and now he's not | 02:44 |
| waltman | it's an 80s dance music show | 02:45 |
| mikedep333 | oh. I was wondering | 02:46 |
| waltman | I'm old, so I like 80s music and I know how to use a radio. :) | 02:46 |
| mikedep333 | I was born in '86, so I was too young to remember any of this. | 02:46 |
| waltman | I graduated from college in '86 :) | 02:47 |
| mikedep333 | I remember in 1995 or so I bought a boombox with an analog dial for the radio. I was pissed when 1 month later I saw in stores an updated version with a digital dial. | 02:47 |
| mikedep333 | my aunt graduated from Penn (this station's host) around '86 | 02:48 |
| waltman | that's where I graduated from, too! | 02:49 |
| mikedep333 | nice | 02:49 |
| waltman | what's your aunt's name? | 02:49 |
| mikedep333 | Lisa DePaulo | 02:49 |
| waltman | don't recognize the name | 02:49 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.gq.com/contributors/lisa-depaulo | 02:49 |
| waltman | is DePaulo her maiden name? | 02:49 |
| mikedep333 | oh, she'll never get married | 02:49 |
| mikedep333 | and never has been | 02:49 |
| waltman | a picture of her would be more useful :) | 02:50 |
| mikedep333 | http://images.politico.com/global/click/100906_depaulo_hardball_522_regular.jpg | 02:50 |
| waltman | No, she doesn't look familiar | 02:51 |
| mikedep333 | I don't have any pictures of her from her days at Penn though | 02:51 |
| mikedep333 | honestly, I'm not sure what her age is | 02:52 |
| waltman | I different DJ takes over at 10 | 02:52 |
| waltman | s/I/A/ | 02:52 |
| mikedep333 | my dad was born in '51 and I know she is much younger | 02:52 |
| mikedep333 | ? | 02:52 |
| mikedep333 | oh, a different DJ takes over at 10 on WXPN | 02:53 |
| waltman | I was born in '64. | 02:53 |
| mikedep333 | oh, subistitute 'A' for 'I' | 02:54 |
| mikedep333 | my regexp is rusty | 02:54 |
| mikedep333 | I always love it when I see powers off 2 | 02:55 |
| mikedep333 | *of 2 | 02:55 |
| waltman | It was also a Year of the Dragon! | 02:55 |
| mikedep333 | ahh! | 02:55 |
| waltman | quite auspicious :) | 02:55 |
| mikedep333 | oh, I remember the funniest asian zodiak story. | 02:55 |
| mikedep333 | 2007 was the year of the "golden pig" | 02:56 |
| mikedep333 | http://haacked.com/archive/2007/01/03/year_of_the_golden_pig.aspx | 02:57 |
| mikedep333 | According to Chinese Folklore, this is an event that occurs once in every 600 years and will ensure that a baby born on this year will experience a prosperous and wealthy life. | 02:57 |
| mikedep333 | "This legend is so popular, that Korea is expected to have a 10% increase in birth rate this year, which is apparently much needed as its birth rate is extremely low." | 02:57 |
| waltman | heh | 02:57 |
| mikedep333 | well, sure enough | 02:57 |
| mikedep333 | there's lots off computer hardware made in asia | 02:57 |
| mikedep333 | so this was the result: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/02/16/tul_powercolor_pig_card/ | 02:58 |
| waltman | If you know anyone who's Chinese or Korean, this makes perfect sense. | 02:58 |
| mikedep333 | ahh, OK | 02:58 |
| mikedep333 | I understood that the higher birth rate in Korea made sense, but not the golden pig graphics card. | 02:59 |
| waltman | I mean, of course it's silly, but it all makes perfect sense to them. :) | 03:00 |
| mikedep333 | yeah | 03:00 |
| waltman | A friend had a baby in 2004, and for the shower a bunch of people gave the mom monkey toys because it was going to be a "monkey baby" | 03:01 |
| mikedep333 | yeah :) | 03:01 |
| mikedep333 | being born in 86, I am supposed to be a tiger | 03:02 |
| waltman | It's perectly acceptable to refer to a child as a "monkey baby" if you're chinese :) | 03:02 |
| mikedep333 | I see | 03:02 |
| mikedep333 | thanks for enlightening me | 03:02 |
| mikedep333 | however I am definitely not tiger-like | 03:03 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.rainfall.com/horoscop/tiger.htm | 03:03 |
| mikedep333 | I stopped being rebellious after 4th grade. | 03:03 |
| mikedep333 | "When Tigers are injured they need all-out sympathy. Logic does not appeal to them. " - exact opposite of me | 03:04 |
| mikedep333 | I'm an INTJ | 03:04 |
| waltman | I find it fascinating that you kids these daya don't know how to use a radio, but you all know your Meyers-Briggs score. | 03:06 |
| mikedep333 | waltman, I do know how to use a radio. I just don't like doing it. | 03:06 |
| mikedep333 | I do admit that I appreciate the reliability and low SWAP of analog radio. | 03:07 |
| mikedep333 | my "HD radio" was a huge disappointment | 03:08 |
| mikedep333 | on sale for like $80 (although it had an iPod dock and all) | 03:08 |
| waltman | SWAP? | 03:08 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=size+weight+and+power | 03:08 |
| mikedep333 | I think it's a military acronym. | 03:09 |
| waltman | my radio has considerable size and weight :) | 03:09 |
| mikedep333 | lol :) | 03:09 |
| waltman | It's almost as old as you are :) | 03:10 |
| mikedep333 | my HD radio's didital/HD signal reception would cut out all the time | 03:10 |
| waltman | but it does have digital tuning :) | 03:10 |
| mikedep333 | nice :D | 03:10 |
| mikedep333 | because I am/was up in chalfont | 03:10 |
| mikedep333 | depending on the station though | 03:10 |
| waltman | actually it's a combined receiver/tuner | 03:10 |
| mikedep333 | cool | 03:11 |
| mikedep333 | my dad has one of those | 03:11 |
| pleia2 | my mother said my youngest sister looked like a monkey when she was born (she was a preemie) | 03:11 |
| pleia2 | I still call her Monkey, she hates me :P | 03:11 |
| mikedep333 | one nice thing about "HD radio" is that you can have multiple streams within the same frequency space (at least I think that's how it works) | 03:11 |
| mikedep333 | lol | 03:11 |
| waltman | pleia2: Happy New Year! | 03:12 |
| pleia2 | waltman: happy new year! | 03:12 |
| waltman | You're going to have to wait 3 more hours! | 03:12 |
| mikedep333 | so Y-rock on wxpn operates on 88.5-2 | 03:13 |
| pleia2 | it's just after 7 here | 03:13 |
| pleia2 | going out for sushi in a bit, midnight is fireworks at ferry building (which means we didn't make real plans) | 03:13 |
| mikedep333 | *88.5 HD-2 | 03:13 |
| waltman | I'm just chilling tonight | 03:13 |
| mikedep333 | yeah, same here | 03:13 |
| mikedep333 | well, more like chatting when I should be organizing papers | 03:14 |
| pleia2 | I sorta would rather stay in, was a crazy work week and then spent 5 hours today upgrading ubuntu systems at a school across town | 03:14 |
| * pleia2 is a bit tired | 03:14 | |
| mikedep333 | but I'm learning stuff :) | 03:14 |
| mikedep333 | and not using enough emoticons because I don't know how to do them off the top of my head :/ | 03:14 |
| waltman | pleia2: I'm thinking I might want to try out a new wm in the new year. Any suggestions? | 03:14 |
| pleia2 | wm or de? | 03:15 |
| mikedep333 | wm? | 03:15 |
| mikedep333 | window manager? | 03:15 |
| mikedep333 | ahh | 03:15 |
| waltman | window manager | 03:15 |
| mikedep333 | and desktop environment | 03:15 |
| pleia2 | I use fluxbox | 03:15 |
| waltman | or maybe a de! | 03:15 |
| pleia2 | but mostly xfce de | 03:15 |
| waltman | I'm getting tired of windowmaker. I want something shinier. | 03:16 |
| mikedep333 | I must confess; I'm on windows right now because I had intended to play (demanding 3D) games. | 03:16 |
| pleia2 | I really love xfce | 03:16 |
| waltman | is that a gnome/kde competitor? | 03:16 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 03:16 |
| pleia2 | it's been around for a long time though, I've used it since 2004 | 03:17 |
| mikedep333 | waltman, it uses GTK and is intended to be light-weight while having a decent amoutn of features | 03:17 |
| mikedep333 | if you have a full 256MB of RAM, it's your best choice | 03:17 |
| pleia2 | it's what the third official ubuntu derivitive, xubuntu, uses (ubuntu is gnome, kubuntu is kde) | 03:17 |
| mikedep333 | *IMHO | 03:17 |
| pleia2 | admittedly xfce has gotten heavier over the years, but it's easier to slim down than gnome or kde | 03:17 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.xubuntu.org/ | 03:17 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.xfce.org/ | 03:18 |
| pleia2 | out of the box xubuntu isn't a whole lot faster than ubuntu | 03:18 |
| mikedep333 | pleia2, yeah | 03:18 |
| pleia2 | and it's less flashy, more customizable | 03:18 |
| pleia2 | lxde has also been growing in popularity | 03:19 |
| mikedep333 | I don't like gnome that much overall because I dislike the lack of options (eg, the screensaver debate.) | 03:19 |
| waltman | xubuntu uses xfce? | 03:19 |
| mikedep333 | however, it is more polished, stable, and integrated with Ubuntu and it's distro-specific software. | 03:19 |
| pleia2 | waltman: yep | 03:19 |
| mikedep333 | waltman, the "X" in Xubuntu refers to XFCE | 03:20 |
| mikedep333 | there is also LXDE | 03:20 |
| mikedep333 | http://lxde.org/ | 03:20 |
| mikedep333 | early in development, it is intended to be even more lightweight | 03:20 |
| waltman | Wait, xfce is based on cde? I *hated* cde! | 03:20 |
| mikedep333 | waltman, no, not at all! | 03:21 |
| mikedep333 | LXDE uses GTK and no shared libraries (I think) | 03:21 |
| waltman | inspired by? | 03:21 |
| mikedep333 | lol, read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfce for its inspiration/origins/history | 03:22 |
| mikedep333 | and Lubuntu (as in LXDE Ubuntu) is seeking to become an official ubuntu derivative | 03:22 |
| pleia2 | http://princessleia.com/images/MyImages/screen/xubuntu08.png | 03:23 |
| pleia2 | ^^ my xubuntu desktop | 03:23 |
| mikedep333 | http://lubuntu.net/ | 03:23 |
| mikedep333 | you can download lubuntu 10.04 or 10.10 desktop CDs | 03:23 |
| mikedep333 | in 10.10 (at least) there is the LXDE, and the lubuntu-desktop metapackages | 03:23 |
| waltman | very ... pink :) | 03:24 |
| mikedep333 | although Lubuntu uses an official lubuntu PPA with their desktop CDs | 03:24 |
| mikedep333 | yup | 03:24 |
| waltman | pleia2: what terminal program do you use? | 03:24 |
| pleia2 | waltman: rxvt-unicode | 03:24 |
| mikedep333 | when I took astronomy classes over the last few years at PSU, I regained an appreciation for astronomy wallpapers | 03:25 |
| waltman | ah | 03:25 |
| pleia2 | the transparency is handled by xfce compositing though | 03:25 |
| mikedep333 | almsot all the astro faculty use them! | 03:25 |
| pleia2 | mikedep333: astronomy picture of the day is in my RSS reader, I get all my wallpapers from it :) | 03:25 |
| pleia2 | 1) cool images 2) high resolution! | 03:26 |
| mikedep333 | pleia2, my how many systems you have! | 03:26 |
| pleia2 | too many :( | 03:26 |
| mikedep333 | a consistent naming scheme is essential | 03:26 |
| pleia2 | my servers are star wars planets, my LAN is star wars astromech droids | 03:27 |
| pleia2 | except for my mini9, which I named vespa (the princess from space balls) | 03:27 |
| mikedep333 | lol | 03:27 |
| mikedep333 | pleia2, I remember seeing your mugshot on the ubuntu-us-pa forums | 03:28 |
| mikedep333 | I was just visiting: http://princessleia.com/ | 03:28 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I moved away from PA this year :( | 03:28 |
| mikedep333 | aww | 03:29 |
| mikedep333 | http://princessleia.com/plug/attracting_people_to_foss.odp is down | 03:29 |
| pleia2 | thanks | 03:29 |
| mikedep333 | np | 03:29 |
| pleia2 | should be better now | 03:30 |
| mikedep333 | that was quick! | 03:30 |
| mikedep333 | lol, slide 3 in http://princessleia.com/plug/attracting_women_to_foss.odp | 03:31 |
| pleia2 | I am very organized! | 03:32 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 03:32 |
| waltman | will xfce run all by itself, or do I need to tell it to use a separate wm (like fluxbox)? | 03:32 |
| pleia2 | it uses xfwm | 03:33 |
| pleia2 | but that's included, no need to worry about it | 03:33 |
| mikedep333 | pleia2, yeah, discourse on the internet can be pretty uncivil, hence why FOSS discourse often is | 03:33 |
| * pleia2 nods | 03:34 | |
| mikedep333 | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645# | 03:34 |
| mikedep333 | "How Open Source Projects Survive Poisonous People (And You Can Too)" | 03:34 |
| pleia2 | yeah, great presentation | 03:34 |
| mikedep333 | I love the tactic "point to the project statement" | 03:35 |
| mikedep333 | at least I think that's the correct term | 03:35 |
| mikedep333 | or project mission statement | 03:35 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.xfree86.org/mission/ | 03:36 |
| mikedep333 | lol, xfree86 mission statement | 03:36 |
| pleia2 | tl;dr | 03:37 |
| * waltman installs xfce4... | 03:38 | |
| mikedep333 | pleia2, I mentioned it to point out that they failed despite having a mission statement | 03:38 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 03:39 |
| mikedep333 | "The XFree86 Project has a group of active developers that is charged with maintaining the technical integrity of the Project" | 03:39 |
| mikedep333 | Cathedral builders! | 03:39 |
| mikedep333 | "Last modified: 9 June 2004" & "Copyright © 2003-2005 The XFree86 Project, Inc. All rights reserved." | 03:40 |
| pleia2 | hah, perhaps, but xfree86 was the standard for quite some time | 03:40 |
| mikedep333 | yup, right around when there was the mass exodus for X.org | 03:40 |
| pleia2 | now ubuntu is going to wayland | 03:40 |
| mikedep333 | pleia2, 2004 was when I first seriously go into linux. The xfree86 collapse was one of my 1st memories! | 03:41 |
| waltman | wayland? | 03:41 |
| mikedep333 | pleia2, yeah, I read about that | 03:41 |
| mikedep333 | it sounds nice | 03:41 |
| mikedep333 | but there's inertia, especially nvidia's | 03:41 |
| pleia2 | all I remember about the xfree86 collapse was how much of a pain debian was to upgrade between xfree and xorg, it was a nightmare | 03:41 |
| mikedep333 | pleia2, I try to avoid upgrading installations as much as possible. I much prefer to clean install. | 03:42 |
| pleia2 | waltman: xorg replacement, there has been much drama about it | 03:42 |
| mikedep333 | but then again, you're a sysadmin for a company | 03:42 |
| pleia2 | luckily none of our systems at work have a gui :) | 03:43 |
| mikedep333 | pleia2, yeah :) | 03:43 |
| pleia2 | but I always do upgrades | 03:43 |
| waltman | fortunately I've never even heard of wayland :) | 03:43 |
| mikedep333 | waltman, it's just something the young kids play with ;) | 03:44 |
| pleia2 | lol | 03:44 |
| waltman | Good. Let me know when you've got it working. | 03:44 |
| waltman | OK, it's installed. Time to restart X. Wish me luck! | 03:44 |
| pleia2 | good luck! | 03:45 |
| mikedep333 | wikipedia has a very good description: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server) | 03:45 |
| mikedep333 | gl! | 03:45 |
| mikedep333 | pleia2, so applications will be linking against some library to conduct their rendering that's independent of wayland? | 03:46 |
| pleia2 | yeah I believe that's the idea, I haven't looked too deeply into it though | 03:46 |
| mikedep333 | yeah | 03:46 |
| pleia2 | if it goes as planned, it should be transparent to the application though, since it'll support all xorg stuff | 03:46 |
| mikedep333 | I do agree that X.org is bloated with all its legacy functionality. | 03:47 |
| mikedep333 | yeah, backwards compatibility | 03:47 |
| waltman | shiny! | 03:47 |
| pleia2 | waltman: I actually just use xfce because the mascot is a mouse | 03:47 |
| mikedep333 | just like how pulseaudio has both alsa and OSS wrappers | 03:47 |
| pleia2 | is so cute <3 | 03:47 |
| mikedep333 | pleia2, nice | 03:47 |
| waltman | how do I get it to launch rxvt-unicode? | 03:53 |
| pleia2 | alt f2 | 03:53 |
| pleia2 | brings up a launcher | 03:53 |
| mikedep333 | pleia2, I was about to say | 03:53 |
| pleia2 | I set up a keybinding for it though | 03:53 |
| waltman | In wm I had something off the menu with all my terminal apps. | 03:54 |
| mikedep333 | pleia2, I wish Gnome on Ubuntu put my meta key to use | 03:54 |
| mikedep333 | I really like the meta (windows) key shortcuts in windows | 03:54 |
| pleia2 | yeah I guess xfce doesn't put the terminals in one menu (like wm, fluxbox does too) | 03:55 |
| pleia2 | and xfce currently lacks a menu editor (in 4.8 it'll just use gnome's editor, but 4.8 is still in beta) | 03:55 |
| mikedep333 | pleia2, I have to say that I much prefer windows' system of managing menus. Just use .lnk files, and use directories for the menus. | 03:56 |
| mikedep333 | I can right click to edit a menu .lnk | 03:57 |
| pleia2 | I don't think I ever edited a windows menu | 03:57 |
| mikedep333 | or to edit the folders | 03:57 |
| mikedep333 | pleia2, honestly, it's more unix like in that you're representing your menu with directories and files | 03:57 |
| pleia2 | yeah, that sounds nice | 03:58 |
| mikedep333 | in GNOME it's like a right click on a menu item and nothing happens | 03:58 |
| mikedep333 | .lnk support is nicely built into windows | 03:58 |
| pleia2 | xfce used to have a gui editor, but that went away in 4.6 (much to everyone's disappointment - it actually made me switch to gnome for a month) | 03:58 |
| mikedep333 | although they hide the underlying files from you | 03:58 |
| mikedep333 | *file contents | 03:58 |
| pleia2 | fluxbox uses xml or something, enlightenment had plain text config files in some crazy format | 03:58 |
| mikedep333 | pleia2, wow | 03:59 |
| mikedep333 | pleia2, yeah | 03:59 |
| mikedep333 | I remember having to use the command prompt's "edit" command to edit .lnk files manually | 03:59 |
| pleia2 | aaannyway, I am hungry, time to head out for some sushi | 03:59 |
| pleia2 | happy new year mikedep333 and waltman :) | 03:59 |
| mikedep333 | pleia2, happy new year's! | 03:59 |
| mikedep333 | I propose the following new year's resolution for myself: "Less time under windows; more time under linux." | 04:00 |
| waltman | HAPPY NEW YEAR! | 05:00 |
| * ChinnoDog blows noise maker | 05:07 | |
| * waltman sips whiskey | 05:10 | |
| waltman | Oh nice. xfce seems to have hung while I was watching Dick Clark. | 05:15 |
| IdleOne | .•°*”˜˜”*°•.¸☆ ★ ☆¸.•°*”˜˜”*°•.¸☆ | 05:17 |
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| IdleOne | ║╔╗║╔╗║╔╣╔╩╗╔╝ ★ NEW YEAR ☆ 2011 | 05:17 |
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| InHisName | Oh, fooey! It snuck by while I was reading chats. | 05:19 |
| * waltman has returned to old reliable windowmaker :) | 05:28 | |
| ChinnoDog | meh, 2011 | 06:17 |
| === rmg511 is now known as rmg51 | ||
| InHisName | HNY - it's 2011 | 12:00 |
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