[01:52] <mikedep333> hello
[01:52] <mikedep333> my plans fell through for a NYE party
[01:52] <waltman> awww
[01:52] <mikedep333> so I figured I'd chat with some techies that will be celebrating it within  the same time zone as me
[01:53] <mikedep333> what IRC channel consists of people in GMT-5? #Ubuntu-US-PA of course!
[01:53] <waltman> of course!
[01:53] <mikedep333> right now I'm organizing tons of paper records/files
[01:54] <mikedep333> wishing they were electronic
[01:54] <mikedep333> any good video stream online for new year's?
[01:56] <mikedep333> so I was pretty interested in the archos 101
[01:57] <mikedep333> http://www.amazon.com/ARCHOS-101-Internet-Tablet-8GB/dp/B00422W5QO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1293847017&sr=8-1
[01:57] <mikedep333> an overall well-rounded 10" android tablet
[01:57] <mikedep333> but there's some issues, such as the build quality could be better and the screen has poor viewing angles
[01:58] <mikedep333> you can see the 3.5 star review average
[01:58] <mikedep333> it's more like 4 stars for techies
[01:58] <waltman> I'm just listening to WXPN
[01:58] <mikedep333> oh, good idea
[01:58] <mikedep333> do I stream it to my computer or use a physical radio (such as my chumby)?
[01:59] <waltman> I use my radio, but you can listen online at xpn.org.  They also have an iPhone app.
[02:06] <mikedep333> cool
[02:07] <mikedep333> I just tried to use my chumby's FM radio, and it was picking up station names, but it was like all static or silence
[02:07] <mikedep333> I thought it may be an FM radio that uses headphones as antennas, but plugging in a pair didn't help
[02:08] <mikedep333> so I opened up shoutcast radio, searched for WXPN, and found it
[02:08] <mikedep333> *on the chumby
[02:08] <mikedep333> and I heard a message saying that it costs them money to stream it
[02:08] <mikedep333> so I used my old alarm clock from the 90's or so that my dad gave me, and it's working fine
[02:08] <mikedep333> *alarm clock radio
[02:09] <mikedep333> in the days of the internet you forget about local media
[02:10] <mikedep333> anyway, the archos 70 is getting great reviews
[02:10] <mikedep333> http://www.amazon.com/Archos-70-Internet-Tablet-Black/product-reviews/B00422SH5C/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
[02:39] <waltman> Kids these days...It's a radio.  You turn it on, and it plays you music.
[02:39] <InHisName> To all who are reading this more than three hours from now . . .    ----> Happy New Year !!
[02:40] <waltman> Note that WXPN broadcasts from Philadelphia.  You've got to be in the area to pick it up over the air.
[02:43] <mikedep333> yeah
[02:44] <mikedep333> I was hoping for some sort of new years themed show.
[02:44] <mikedep333> now the host is talking
[02:44] <mikedep333> and now he's not
[02:45] <waltman> it's an 80s dance music show
[02:46] <mikedep333> oh. I was wondering
[02:46] <waltman> I'm old, so I like 80s music and I know how to use a radio. :)
[02:46] <mikedep333> I was born in '86, so I was too young to remember any of this.
[02:47] <waltman> I graduated from college in '86 :)
[02:47] <mikedep333> I remember in 1995 or so I bought a boombox with an analog dial for the radio. I was pissed when 1 month later I saw in stores an updated version with a digital dial.
[02:48] <mikedep333> my aunt graduated from Penn (this station's host) around '86
[02:49] <waltman> that's where I graduated from, too!
[02:49] <mikedep333> nice
[02:49] <waltman> what's your aunt's name?
[02:49] <mikedep333> Lisa DePaulo
[02:49] <waltman> don't recognize the name
[02:49] <mikedep333> http://www.gq.com/contributors/lisa-depaulo
[02:49] <waltman> is DePaulo her maiden name?
[02:49] <mikedep333> oh, she'll never get married
[02:49] <mikedep333> and never has been
[02:50] <waltman> a picture of her would be more useful :)
[02:50] <mikedep333> http://images.politico.com/global/click/100906_depaulo_hardball_522_regular.jpg
[02:51] <waltman> No, she doesn't look familiar
[02:51] <mikedep333> I don't have any pictures of her from her days at Penn though
[02:52] <mikedep333> honestly, I'm not sure what her age is
[02:52] <waltman> I different DJ takes over at 10
[02:52] <waltman> s/I/A/
[02:52] <mikedep333> my dad was born in '51 and I know she is much younger
[02:52] <mikedep333> ?
[02:53] <mikedep333> oh, a different DJ takes over at 10 on WXPN
[02:53] <waltman> I was born in '64.
[02:54] <mikedep333> oh, subistitute 'A' for 'I'
[02:54] <mikedep333> my regexp is rusty
[02:55] <mikedep333> I always love it when I see powers off 2
[02:55] <mikedep333> *of 2
[02:55] <waltman> It was also a Year of the Dragon!
[02:55] <mikedep333> ahh!
[02:55] <waltman> quite auspicious :)
[02:55] <mikedep333> oh, I remember the funniest asian zodiak story.
[02:56] <mikedep333> 2007 was the year of the "golden pig"
[02:57] <mikedep333> http://haacked.com/archive/2007/01/03/year_of_the_golden_pig.aspx
[02:57] <mikedep333> According to Chinese Folklore, this is an event that occurs once in every 600 years and will ensure that a baby born on this year will experience a prosperous and wealthy life.
[02:57] <mikedep333> "This legend is so popular, that Korea is expected to have a 10% increase in birth rate this year, which is apparently much needed as its birth rate is extremely low."
[02:57] <waltman> heh
[02:57] <mikedep333> well, sure enough
[02:57] <mikedep333> there's lots off computer hardware made in asia
[02:58] <mikedep333> so this was the result: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/02/16/tul_powercolor_pig_card/
[02:58] <waltman> If you know anyone who's Chinese or Korean, this makes perfect sense.
[02:58] <mikedep333> ahh, OK
[02:59] <mikedep333> I understood that the higher birth rate in Korea made sense, but not the golden pig graphics card.
[03:00] <waltman> I mean, of course it's silly, but it all makes perfect sense to them. :)
[03:00] <mikedep333> yeah
[03:01] <waltman> A friend had a baby in 2004, and for the shower a bunch of people gave the mom monkey toys because it was going to be a "monkey baby"
[03:01] <mikedep333> yeah :)
[03:02] <mikedep333> being born in 86, I am supposed to be a tiger
[03:02] <waltman> It's perectly acceptable to refer to a child as a "monkey baby" if you're chinese :)
[03:02] <mikedep333> I see
[03:02] <mikedep333> thanks for enlightening me
[03:03] <mikedep333> however I am definitely not tiger-like
[03:03] <mikedep333> http://www.rainfall.com/horoscop/tiger.htm
[03:03] <mikedep333> I stopped being rebellious after 4th grade.
[03:04] <mikedep333> "When Tigers are injured they need all-out sympathy. Logic does not appeal to them. " - exact opposite of me
[03:04] <mikedep333> I'm an INTJ
[03:06] <waltman> I find it fascinating that you kids these daya don't know how to use a radio, but you all know your Meyers-Briggs score.
[03:06] <mikedep333> waltman, I do know how to use a radio. I just don't like doing it.
[03:07] <mikedep333> I do admit that I appreciate the reliability and low SWAP of analog radio.
[03:08] <mikedep333> my "HD radio" was a huge disappointment
[03:08] <mikedep333> on sale for like $80 (although it had an iPod dock and all)
[03:08] <waltman> SWAP?
[03:08] <mikedep333> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=size+weight+and+power
[03:09] <mikedep333> I think it's a military acronym.
[03:09] <waltman> my radio has considerable size and weight :)
[03:09] <mikedep333> lol :)
[03:10] <waltman> It's almost as old as you are :)
[03:10] <mikedep333> my HD radio's didital/HD signal reception would cut out all the time
[03:10] <waltman> but it does have digital tuning :)
[03:10] <mikedep333> nice :D
[03:10] <mikedep333> because I am/was up in chalfont
[03:10] <mikedep333> depending on the station though
[03:10] <waltman> actually it's a combined receiver/tuner
[03:11] <mikedep333> cool
[03:11] <mikedep333> my dad has one of those
[03:11] <pleia2> my mother said my youngest sister looked like a monkey when she was born (she was a preemie)
[03:11] <pleia2> I still call her Monkey, she hates me :P
[03:11] <mikedep333> one nice thing about "HD radio" is that you can have multiple streams within the same frequency space (at least I think that's how it works)
[03:11] <mikedep333> lol
[03:12] <waltman> pleia2: Happy New Year!
[03:12] <pleia2> waltman: happy new year!
[03:12] <waltman> You're going to have to wait 3 more hours!
[03:13] <mikedep333> so Y-rock on wxpn operates on 88.5-2
[03:13] <pleia2> it's just after 7 here
[03:13] <pleia2> going out for sushi in a bit, midnight is fireworks at ferry building (which means we didn't make real plans)
[03:13] <mikedep333> *88.5 HD-2
[03:13] <waltman> I'm just chilling tonight
[03:13] <mikedep333> yeah, same here
[03:14] <mikedep333> well, more like chatting when I should be organizing papers
[03:14] <pleia2> I sorta would rather stay in, was a crazy work week and then spent 5 hours today upgrading ubuntu systems at a school across town
[03:14]  * pleia2 is a bit tired
[03:14] <mikedep333> but I'm learning stuff :)
[03:14] <mikedep333> and not using enough emoticons because I don't know how to do them off the top of my head :/
[03:14] <waltman> pleia2: I'm thinking I might want to try out a new wm in the new year.  Any suggestions?
[03:15] <pleia2> wm or de?
[03:15] <mikedep333> wm?
[03:15] <mikedep333> window manager?
[03:15] <mikedep333> ahh
[03:15] <waltman> window manager
[03:15] <mikedep333> and desktop environment
[03:15] <pleia2> I use fluxbox
[03:15] <waltman> or maybe a de!
[03:15] <pleia2> but mostly xfce de
[03:16] <waltman> I'm getting tired of windowmaker.  I want something shinier.
[03:16] <mikedep333> I must confess; I'm on windows right now because I had intended to play (demanding 3D) games.
[03:16] <pleia2> I really love xfce
[03:16] <waltman> is that a gnome/kde competitor?
[03:16] <pleia2> yeah
[03:17] <pleia2> it's been around for a long time though, I've used it since 2004
[03:17] <mikedep333> waltman, it uses GTK and is intended to be light-weight while having a decent amoutn of features
[03:17] <mikedep333> if you have a full 256MB of RAM, it's your best choice
[03:17] <pleia2> it's what the third official ubuntu derivitive, xubuntu, uses (ubuntu is gnome, kubuntu is kde)
[03:17] <mikedep333> *IMHO
[03:17] <pleia2> admittedly xfce has gotten heavier over the years, but it's easier to slim down than gnome or kde
[03:17] <mikedep333> http://www.xubuntu.org/
[03:18] <mikedep333> http://www.xfce.org/
[03:18] <pleia2> out of the box xubuntu isn't a whole lot faster than ubuntu
[03:18] <mikedep333> pleia2, yeah
[03:18] <pleia2> and it's less flashy, more customizable
[03:19] <pleia2> lxde has also been growing in popularity
[03:19] <mikedep333> I don't like gnome that much overall because I dislike the lack of options (eg, the screensaver debate.)
[03:19] <waltman> xubuntu uses xfce?
[03:19] <mikedep333> however, it is more polished, stable, and integrated with Ubuntu and it's distro-specific software.
[03:19] <pleia2> waltman: yep
[03:20] <mikedep333> waltman, the "X" in Xubuntu refers to XFCE
[03:20] <mikedep333> there is also LXDE
[03:20] <mikedep333> http://lxde.org/
[03:20] <mikedep333> early in development, it is intended to be even more lightweight
[03:20] <waltman> Wait, xfce is based on cde?  I *hated* cde!
[03:21] <mikedep333> waltman, no, not at all!
[03:21] <mikedep333> LXDE uses GTK and no shared libraries (I think)
[03:21] <waltman> inspired by?
[03:22] <mikedep333> lol, read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfce for its inspiration/origins/history
[03:22] <mikedep333> and Lubuntu (as in LXDE Ubuntu) is seeking to become an official ubuntu derivative
[03:23] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/images/MyImages/screen/xubuntu08.png
[03:23] <pleia2> ^^ my xubuntu desktop
[03:23] <mikedep333> http://lubuntu.net/
[03:23] <mikedep333> you can download lubuntu 10.04 or 10.10 desktop CDs
[03:23] <mikedep333> in 10.10 (at least) there is the LXDE, and the lubuntu-desktop metapackages
[03:24] <waltman> very ... pink :)
[03:24] <mikedep333> although Lubuntu uses an official lubuntu PPA with their desktop CDs
[03:24] <mikedep333> yup
[03:24] <waltman> pleia2: what terminal program do you use?
[03:24] <pleia2> waltman: rxvt-unicode
[03:25] <mikedep333> when I took astronomy classes over the last few years at PSU, I regained an appreciation for astronomy wallpapers
[03:25] <waltman> ah
[03:25] <pleia2> the transparency is handled by xfce compositing though
[03:25] <mikedep333> almsot all the astro faculty use them!
[03:25] <pleia2> mikedep333: astronomy picture of the day is in my RSS reader, I get all my wallpapers from it :)
[03:26] <pleia2> 1) cool images 2) high resolution!
[03:26] <mikedep333> pleia2, my how many systems you have!
[03:26] <pleia2> too many :(
[03:26] <mikedep333> a consistent naming scheme is essential
[03:27] <pleia2> my servers are star wars planets, my LAN is star wars astromech droids
[03:27] <pleia2> except for my mini9, which I named vespa (the princess from space balls)
[03:27] <mikedep333> lol
[03:28] <mikedep333> pleia2, I remember seeing your mugshot on the ubuntu-us-pa forums
[03:28] <mikedep333> I was just visiting: http://princessleia.com/
[03:28] <pleia2> yeah, I moved away from PA this year :(
[03:29] <mikedep333> aww
[03:29] <mikedep333> http://princessleia.com/plug/attracting_people_to_foss.odp is down
[03:29] <pleia2> thanks
[03:29] <mikedep333> np
[03:30] <pleia2> should be better now
[03:30] <mikedep333> that was quick!
[03:31] <mikedep333> lol, slide 3 in http://princessleia.com/plug/attracting_women_to_foss.odp
[03:32] <pleia2> I am very organized!
[03:32] <pleia2> hehe
[03:32] <waltman> will xfce run all by itself, or do I need to tell it to use a separate wm (like fluxbox)?
[03:33] <pleia2> it uses xfwm
[03:33] <pleia2> but that's included, no need to worry about it
[03:33] <mikedep333> pleia2, yeah, discourse on the internet can be pretty uncivil, hence why FOSS discourse often is
[03:34]  * pleia2 nods
[03:34] <mikedep333> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645#
[03:34] <mikedep333> "How Open Source Projects Survive Poisonous People (And You Can Too)"
[03:34] <pleia2> yeah, great presentation
[03:35] <mikedep333> I love the tactic "point to the project statement"
[03:35] <mikedep333> at least I think that's the correct term
[03:35] <mikedep333> or project mission statement
[03:36] <mikedep333> http://www.xfree86.org/mission/
[03:36] <mikedep333> lol, xfree86 mission statement
[03:37] <pleia2> tl;dr
[03:38]  * waltman installs xfce4...
[03:38] <mikedep333> pleia2, I mentioned it to point out that they failed despite having a mission statement
[03:39] <pleia2> yeah
[03:39] <mikedep333> "The XFree86 Project has a group of active developers that is charged with maintaining the technical integrity of the Project"
[03:39] <mikedep333> Cathedral builders!
[03:40] <mikedep333> "Last modified: 9 June 2004" & "Copyright © 2003-2005 The XFree86 Project, Inc. All rights reserved."
[03:40] <pleia2> hah, perhaps, but xfree86 was the standard for quite some time
[03:40] <mikedep333> yup, right around when there was the mass exodus for X.org
[03:40] <pleia2> now ubuntu is going to wayland
[03:41] <mikedep333> pleia2, 2004 was when I first seriously go into linux. The xfree86 collapse was one of my 1st memories!
[03:41] <waltman> wayland?
[03:41] <mikedep333> pleia2, yeah, I read about that
[03:41] <mikedep333> it sounds nice
[03:41] <mikedep333> but there's inertia, especially nvidia's
[03:41] <pleia2> all I remember about the xfree86 collapse was how much of a pain debian was to upgrade between xfree and xorg, it was a nightmare
[03:42] <mikedep333> pleia2, I try to avoid upgrading installations as much as possible. I much prefer to clean install.
[03:42] <pleia2> waltman: xorg replacement, there has been much drama about it
[03:42] <mikedep333> but then again, you're a sysadmin for a company
[03:43] <pleia2> luckily none of our systems at work have a gui :)
[03:43] <mikedep333> pleia2, yeah :)
[03:43] <pleia2> but I always do upgrades
[03:43] <waltman> fortunately I've never even heard of wayland :)
[03:44] <mikedep333> waltman, it's just something the young kids play with ;)
[03:44] <pleia2> lol
[03:44] <waltman> Good.  Let me know when you've got it working.
[03:44] <waltman> OK, it's installed.  Time to restart X.  Wish me luck!
[03:45] <pleia2> good luck!
[03:45] <mikedep333> wikipedia has a very good description: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server)
[03:45] <mikedep333> gl!
[03:46] <mikedep333> pleia2, so applications will be linking against some library to conduct their rendering that's independent of wayland?
[03:46] <pleia2> yeah I believe that's the idea, I haven't looked too deeply into it though
[03:46] <mikedep333> yeah
[03:46] <pleia2> if it goes as planned, it should be transparent to the application though, since it'll support all xorg stuff
[03:47] <mikedep333> I do agree that X.org is bloated with all its legacy functionality.
[03:47] <mikedep333> yeah, backwards compatibility
[03:47] <waltman> shiny!
[03:47] <pleia2> waltman: I actually just use xfce because the mascot is a mouse
[03:47] <mikedep333> just like how pulseaudio has both alsa and OSS wrappers
[03:47] <pleia2> is so cute <3
[03:47] <mikedep333> pleia2, nice
[03:53] <waltman> how do I get it to launch rxvt-unicode?
[03:53] <pleia2> alt f2
[03:53] <pleia2> brings up a launcher
[03:53] <mikedep333> pleia2, I was about to say
[03:53] <pleia2> I set up a keybinding for it though
[03:54] <waltman> In wm I had something off the menu with all my terminal apps.
[03:54] <mikedep333> pleia2, I wish Gnome on Ubuntu put my meta key to use
[03:54] <mikedep333> I really like the meta (windows) key shortcuts in windows
[03:55] <pleia2> yeah I guess xfce doesn't put the terminals in one menu (like wm, fluxbox does too)
[03:55] <pleia2> and xfce currently lacks a menu editor (in 4.8 it'll just use gnome's editor, but 4.8 is still in beta)
[03:56] <mikedep333> pleia2, I have to say that I much prefer windows' system of managing menus. Just use .lnk files, and use directories for the menus.
[03:57] <mikedep333> I can right click to edit a menu .lnk
[03:57] <pleia2> I don't think I ever edited a windows menu
[03:57] <mikedep333> or to edit the folders
[03:57] <mikedep333> pleia2, honestly, it's more unix like in that you're representing your menu with directories and files
[03:58] <pleia2> yeah, that sounds nice
[03:58] <mikedep333> in GNOME it's like a right click on a menu item and nothing happens
[03:58] <mikedep333> .lnk support is nicely built into windows
[03:58] <pleia2> xfce used to have a gui editor, but that went away in 4.6 (much to everyone's disappointment - it actually made me switch to gnome for a month)
[03:58] <mikedep333> although they hide the underlying files from you
[03:58] <mikedep333> *file contents
[03:58] <pleia2> fluxbox uses xml or something, enlightenment had plain text config files in some crazy format
[03:59] <mikedep333> pleia2, wow
[03:59] <mikedep333> pleia2, yeah
[03:59] <mikedep333> I remember having to use the command prompt's "edit" command to edit .lnk files manually
[03:59] <pleia2> aaannyway, I am hungry, time to head out for some sushi
[03:59] <pleia2> happy new year mikedep333 and waltman :)
[03:59] <mikedep333> pleia2, happy new year's!
[04:00] <mikedep333> I propose the following new year's resolution for myself: "Less time under windows; more time under linux."
[05:00] <waltman> HAPPY NEW YEAR!
[05:07]  * ChinnoDog blows noise maker
[05:10]  * waltman sips whiskey
[05:15] <waltman> Oh nice.  xfce seems to have hung while I was watching Dick Clark.
[05:17] <IdleOne> .•°*”˜˜”*°•.¸☆ ★ ☆¸.•°*”˜˜”*°•.¸☆
[05:17] <IdleOne>  ╔╗╔╦══╦═╦═╦╗╔╗ ★ ★ ★
[05:17] <IdleOne>  ║╚╝║══║═║═║╚╝║ ☆¸.•°*”˜˜”*°•.¸☆
[05:17] <IdleOne>  ║╔╗║╔╗║╔╣╔╩╗╔╝ ★ NEW YEAR ☆ 2011
[05:17] <IdleOne>  ╚╝╚╩╝╚╩╝╚╝═╚╝ ￥☆★☆★☆￥ ★☆
[05:19] <InHisName> Oh, fooey!  It snuck by while I was reading chats.
[05:28]  * waltman has returned to old reliable windowmaker :)
[06:17] <ChinnoDog> meh, 2011
[12:00] <InHisName> HNY - it's 2011