[01:52] hello [01:52] my plans fell through for a NYE party [01:52] awww [01:52] so I figured I'd chat with some techies that will be celebrating it within the same time zone as me [01:53] what IRC channel consists of people in GMT-5? #Ubuntu-US-PA of course! [01:53] of course! [01:53] right now I'm organizing tons of paper records/files [01:54] wishing they were electronic [01:54] any good video stream online for new year's? [01:56] so I was pretty interested in the archos 101 [01:57] http://www.amazon.com/ARCHOS-101-Internet-Tablet-8GB/dp/B00422W5QO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1293847017&sr=8-1 [01:57] an overall well-rounded 10" android tablet [01:57] but there's some issues, such as the build quality could be better and the screen has poor viewing angles [01:58] you can see the 3.5 star review average [01:58] it's more like 4 stars for techies [01:58] I'm just listening to WXPN [01:58] oh, good idea [01:58] do I stream it to my computer or use a physical radio (such as my chumby)? [01:59] I use my radio, but you can listen online at xpn.org. They also have an iPhone app. [02:06] cool [02:07] I just tried to use my chumby's FM radio, and it was picking up station names, but it was like all static or silence [02:07] I thought it may be an FM radio that uses headphones as antennas, but plugging in a pair didn't help [02:08] so I opened up shoutcast radio, searched for WXPN, and found it [02:08] *on the chumby [02:08] and I heard a message saying that it costs them money to stream it [02:08] so I used my old alarm clock from the 90's or so that my dad gave me, and it's working fine [02:08] *alarm clock radio [02:09] in the days of the internet you forget about local media [02:10] anyway, the archos 70 is getting great reviews [02:10] http://www.amazon.com/Archos-70-Internet-Tablet-Black/product-reviews/B00422SH5C/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 [02:39] Kids these days...It's a radio. You turn it on, and it plays you music. [02:39] To all who are reading this more than three hours from now . . . ----> Happy New Year !! [02:40] Note that WXPN broadcasts from Philadelphia. You've got to be in the area to pick it up over the air. [02:43] yeah [02:44] I was hoping for some sort of new years themed show. [02:44] now the host is talking [02:44] and now he's not [02:45] it's an 80s dance music show [02:46] oh. I was wondering [02:46] I'm old, so I like 80s music and I know how to use a radio. :) [02:46] I was born in '86, so I was too young to remember any of this. [02:47] I graduated from college in '86 :) [02:47] I remember in 1995 or so I bought a boombox with an analog dial for the radio. I was pissed when 1 month later I saw in stores an updated version with a digital dial. [02:48] my aunt graduated from Penn (this station's host) around '86 [02:49] that's where I graduated from, too! [02:49] nice [02:49] what's your aunt's name? [02:49] Lisa DePaulo [02:49] don't recognize the name [02:49] http://www.gq.com/contributors/lisa-depaulo [02:49] is DePaulo her maiden name? [02:49] oh, she'll never get married [02:49] and never has been [02:50] a picture of her would be more useful :) [02:50] http://images.politico.com/global/click/100906_depaulo_hardball_522_regular.jpg [02:51] No, she doesn't look familiar [02:51] I don't have any pictures of her from her days at Penn though [02:52] honestly, I'm not sure what her age is [02:52] I different DJ takes over at 10 [02:52] s/I/A/ [02:52] my dad was born in '51 and I know she is much younger [02:52] ? [02:53] oh, a different DJ takes over at 10 on WXPN [02:53] I was born in '64. [02:54] oh, subistitute 'A' for 'I' [02:54] my regexp is rusty [02:55] I always love it when I see powers off 2 [02:55] *of 2 [02:55] It was also a Year of the Dragon! [02:55] ahh! [02:55] quite auspicious :) [02:55] oh, I remember the funniest asian zodiak story. [02:56] 2007 was the year of the "golden pig" [02:57] http://haacked.com/archive/2007/01/03/year_of_the_golden_pig.aspx [02:57] According to Chinese Folklore, this is an event that occurs once in every 600 years and will ensure that a baby born on this year will experience a prosperous and wealthy life. [02:57] "This legend is so popular, that Korea is expected to have a 10% increase in birth rate this year, which is apparently much needed as its birth rate is extremely low." [02:57] heh [02:57] well, sure enough [02:57] there's lots off computer hardware made in asia [02:58] so this was the result: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/02/16/tul_powercolor_pig_card/ [02:58] If you know anyone who's Chinese or Korean, this makes perfect sense. [02:58] ahh, OK [02:59] I understood that the higher birth rate in Korea made sense, but not the golden pig graphics card. [03:00] I mean, of course it's silly, but it all makes perfect sense to them. :) [03:00] yeah [03:01] A friend had a baby in 2004, and for the shower a bunch of people gave the mom monkey toys because it was going to be a "monkey baby" [03:01] yeah :) [03:02] being born in 86, I am supposed to be a tiger [03:02] It's perectly acceptable to refer to a child as a "monkey baby" if you're chinese :) [03:02] I see [03:02] thanks for enlightening me [03:03] however I am definitely not tiger-like [03:03] http://www.rainfall.com/horoscop/tiger.htm [03:03] I stopped being rebellious after 4th grade. [03:04] "When Tigers are injured they need all-out sympathy. Logic does not appeal to them. " - exact opposite of me [03:04] I'm an INTJ [03:06] I find it fascinating that you kids these daya don't know how to use a radio, but you all know your Meyers-Briggs score. [03:06] waltman, I do know how to use a radio. I just don't like doing it. [03:07] I do admit that I appreciate the reliability and low SWAP of analog radio. [03:08] my "HD radio" was a huge disappointment [03:08] on sale for like $80 (although it had an iPod dock and all) [03:08] SWAP? [03:08] http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=size+weight+and+power [03:09] I think it's a military acronym. [03:09] my radio has considerable size and weight :) [03:09] lol :) [03:10] It's almost as old as you are :) [03:10] my HD radio's didital/HD signal reception would cut out all the time [03:10] but it does have digital tuning :) [03:10] nice :D [03:10] because I am/was up in chalfont [03:10] depending on the station though [03:10] actually it's a combined receiver/tuner [03:11] cool [03:11] my dad has one of those [03:11] my mother said my youngest sister looked like a monkey when she was born (she was a preemie) [03:11] I still call her Monkey, she hates me :P [03:11] one nice thing about "HD radio" is that you can have multiple streams within the same frequency space (at least I think that's how it works) [03:11] lol [03:12] pleia2: Happy New Year! [03:12] waltman: happy new year! [03:12] You're going to have to wait 3 more hours! [03:13] so Y-rock on wxpn operates on 88.5-2 [03:13] it's just after 7 here [03:13] going out for sushi in a bit, midnight is fireworks at ferry building (which means we didn't make real plans) [03:13] *88.5 HD-2 [03:13] I'm just chilling tonight [03:13] yeah, same here [03:14] well, more like chatting when I should be organizing papers [03:14] I sorta would rather stay in, was a crazy work week and then spent 5 hours today upgrading ubuntu systems at a school across town [03:14] * pleia2 is a bit tired [03:14] but I'm learning stuff :) [03:14] and not using enough emoticons because I don't know how to do them off the top of my head :/ [03:14] pleia2: I'm thinking I might want to try out a new wm in the new year. Any suggestions? [03:15] wm or de? [03:15] wm? [03:15] window manager? [03:15] ahh [03:15] window manager [03:15] and desktop environment [03:15] I use fluxbox [03:15] or maybe a de! [03:15] but mostly xfce de [03:16] I'm getting tired of windowmaker. I want something shinier. [03:16] I must confess; I'm on windows right now because I had intended to play (demanding 3D) games. [03:16] I really love xfce [03:16] is that a gnome/kde competitor? [03:16] yeah [03:17] it's been around for a long time though, I've used it since 2004 [03:17] waltman, it uses GTK and is intended to be light-weight while having a decent amoutn of features [03:17] if you have a full 256MB of RAM, it's your best choice [03:17] it's what the third official ubuntu derivitive, xubuntu, uses (ubuntu is gnome, kubuntu is kde) [03:17] *IMHO [03:17] admittedly xfce has gotten heavier over the years, but it's easier to slim down than gnome or kde [03:17] http://www.xubuntu.org/ [03:18] http://www.xfce.org/ [03:18] out of the box xubuntu isn't a whole lot faster than ubuntu [03:18] pleia2, yeah [03:18] and it's less flashy, more customizable [03:19] lxde has also been growing in popularity [03:19] I don't like gnome that much overall because I dislike the lack of options (eg, the screensaver debate.) [03:19] xubuntu uses xfce? [03:19] however, it is more polished, stable, and integrated with Ubuntu and it's distro-specific software. [03:19] waltman: yep [03:20] waltman, the "X" in Xubuntu refers to XFCE [03:20] there is also LXDE [03:20] http://lxde.org/ [03:20] early in development, it is intended to be even more lightweight [03:20] Wait, xfce is based on cde? I *hated* cde! [03:21] waltman, no, not at all! [03:21] LXDE uses GTK and no shared libraries (I think) [03:21] inspired by? [03:22] lol, read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfce for its inspiration/origins/history [03:22] and Lubuntu (as in LXDE Ubuntu) is seeking to become an official ubuntu derivative [03:23] http://princessleia.com/images/MyImages/screen/xubuntu08.png [03:23] ^^ my xubuntu desktop [03:23] http://lubuntu.net/ [03:23] you can download lubuntu 10.04 or 10.10 desktop CDs [03:23] in 10.10 (at least) there is the LXDE, and the lubuntu-desktop metapackages [03:24] very ... pink :) [03:24] although Lubuntu uses an official lubuntu PPA with their desktop CDs [03:24] yup [03:24] pleia2: what terminal program do you use? [03:24] waltman: rxvt-unicode [03:25] when I took astronomy classes over the last few years at PSU, I regained an appreciation for astronomy wallpapers [03:25] ah [03:25] the transparency is handled by xfce compositing though [03:25] almsot all the astro faculty use them! [03:25] mikedep333: astronomy picture of the day is in my RSS reader, I get all my wallpapers from it :) [03:26] 1) cool images 2) high resolution! [03:26] pleia2, my how many systems you have! [03:26] too many :( [03:26] a consistent naming scheme is essential [03:27] my servers are star wars planets, my LAN is star wars astromech droids [03:27] except for my mini9, which I named vespa (the princess from space balls) [03:27] lol [03:28] pleia2, I remember seeing your mugshot on the ubuntu-us-pa forums [03:28] I was just visiting: http://princessleia.com/ [03:28] yeah, I moved away from PA this year :( [03:29] aww [03:29] http://princessleia.com/plug/attracting_people_to_foss.odp is down [03:29] thanks [03:29] np [03:30] should be better now [03:30] that was quick! [03:31] lol, slide 3 in http://princessleia.com/plug/attracting_women_to_foss.odp [03:32] I am very organized! [03:32] hehe [03:32] will xfce run all by itself, or do I need to tell it to use a separate wm (like fluxbox)? [03:33] it uses xfwm [03:33] but that's included, no need to worry about it [03:33] pleia2, yeah, discourse on the internet can be pretty uncivil, hence why FOSS discourse often is [03:34] * pleia2 nods [03:34] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645# [03:34] "How Open Source Projects Survive Poisonous People (And You Can Too)" [03:34] yeah, great presentation [03:35] I love the tactic "point to the project statement" [03:35] at least I think that's the correct term [03:35] or project mission statement [03:36] http://www.xfree86.org/mission/ [03:36] lol, xfree86 mission statement [03:37] tl;dr [03:38] * waltman installs xfce4... [03:38] pleia2, I mentioned it to point out that they failed despite having a mission statement [03:39] yeah [03:39] "The XFree86 Project has a group of active developers that is charged with maintaining the technical integrity of the Project" [03:39] Cathedral builders! [03:40] "Last modified: 9 June 2004" & "Copyright © 2003-2005 The XFree86 Project, Inc. All rights reserved." [03:40] hah, perhaps, but xfree86 was the standard for quite some time [03:40] yup, right around when there was the mass exodus for X.org [03:40] now ubuntu is going to wayland [03:41] pleia2, 2004 was when I first seriously go into linux. The xfree86 collapse was one of my 1st memories! [03:41] wayland? [03:41] pleia2, yeah, I read about that [03:41] it sounds nice [03:41] but there's inertia, especially nvidia's [03:41] all I remember about the xfree86 collapse was how much of a pain debian was to upgrade between xfree and xorg, it was a nightmare [03:42] pleia2, I try to avoid upgrading installations as much as possible. I much prefer to clean install. [03:42] waltman: xorg replacement, there has been much drama about it [03:42] but then again, you're a sysadmin for a company [03:43] luckily none of our systems at work have a gui :) [03:43] pleia2, yeah :) [03:43] but I always do upgrades [03:43] fortunately I've never even heard of wayland :) [03:44] waltman, it's just something the young kids play with ;) [03:44] lol [03:44] Good. Let me know when you've got it working. [03:44] OK, it's installed. Time to restart X. Wish me luck! [03:45] good luck! [03:45] wikipedia has a very good description: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server) [03:45] gl! [03:46] pleia2, so applications will be linking against some library to conduct their rendering that's independent of wayland? [03:46] yeah I believe that's the idea, I haven't looked too deeply into it though [03:46] yeah [03:46] if it goes as planned, it should be transparent to the application though, since it'll support all xorg stuff [03:47] I do agree that X.org is bloated with all its legacy functionality. [03:47] yeah, backwards compatibility [03:47] shiny! [03:47] waltman: I actually just use xfce because the mascot is a mouse [03:47] just like how pulseaudio has both alsa and OSS wrappers [03:47] is so cute <3 [03:47] pleia2, nice [03:53] how do I get it to launch rxvt-unicode? [03:53] alt f2 [03:53] brings up a launcher [03:53] pleia2, I was about to say [03:53] I set up a keybinding for it though [03:54] In wm I had something off the menu with all my terminal apps. [03:54] pleia2, I wish Gnome on Ubuntu put my meta key to use [03:54] I really like the meta (windows) key shortcuts in windows [03:55] yeah I guess xfce doesn't put the terminals in one menu (like wm, fluxbox does too) [03:55] and xfce currently lacks a menu editor (in 4.8 it'll just use gnome's editor, but 4.8 is still in beta) [03:56] pleia2, I have to say that I much prefer windows' system of managing menus. Just use .lnk files, and use directories for the menus. [03:57] I can right click to edit a menu .lnk [03:57] I don't think I ever edited a windows menu [03:57] or to edit the folders [03:57] pleia2, honestly, it's more unix like in that you're representing your menu with directories and files [03:58] yeah, that sounds nice [03:58] in GNOME it's like a right click on a menu item and nothing happens [03:58] .lnk support is nicely built into windows [03:58] xfce used to have a gui editor, but that went away in 4.6 (much to everyone's disappointment - it actually made me switch to gnome for a month) [03:58] although they hide the underlying files from you [03:58] *file contents [03:58] fluxbox uses xml or something, enlightenment had plain text config files in some crazy format [03:59] pleia2, wow [03:59] pleia2, yeah [03:59] I remember having to use the command prompt's "edit" command to edit .lnk files manually [03:59] aaannyway, I am hungry, time to head out for some sushi [03:59] happy new year mikedep333 and waltman :) [03:59] pleia2, happy new year's! [04:00] I propose the following new year's resolution for myself: "Less time under windows; more time under linux." [05:00] HAPPY NEW YEAR! [05:07] * ChinnoDog blows noise maker [05:10] * waltman sips whiskey [05:15] Oh nice. xfce seems to have hung while I was watching Dick Clark. [05:17] .•°*”˜˜”*°•.¸☆ ★ ☆¸.•°*”˜˜”*°•.¸☆ [05:17] ╔╗╔╦══╦═╦═╦╗╔╗ ★ ★ ★ [05:17] ║╚╝║══║═║═║╚╝║ ☆¸.•°*”˜˜”*°•.¸☆ [05:17] ║╔╗║╔╗║╔╣╔╩╗╔╝ ★ NEW YEAR ☆ 2011 [05:17] ╚╝╚╩╝╚╩╝╚╝═╚╝ ￥☆★☆★☆￥ ★☆ [05:19] Oh, fooey! It snuck by while I was reading chats. [05:28] * waltman has returned to old reliable windowmaker :) [06:17] meh, 2011 === rmg511 is now known as rmg51 [12:00] HNY - it's 2011