[01:37] <rhalff> hi anyone using an audiofire here ?
[01:37] <rhalff> I'm trying to get a audiofire 2 to work
[01:37] <rhalff> I think it has the latest firmware, because It automatically updated it when I tried the device in windows
[05:21] <holstein> AH
[05:21] <holstein> hey tanders12
[05:21] <holstein> happy new year :)
[05:21] <holstein> i see you got your rig working
[05:21] <tanders12> not yet for me :)
[05:21] <tanders12> but same to you
[05:21] <tanders12> more or less
[05:21] <holstein> who knows whats up with that
[05:21] <holstein> tanders12: i filed a bug report...
[05:22]  * holstein looking...
[05:22] <tanders12> a bug for what exactly?
[05:22] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/695893
[05:22] <tanders12> oh
[05:22] <holstein> tanders12: maybe you could mark yourself 'affected'
[05:22] <holstein> and add the device you have
[05:22] <tanders12> sure thing
[05:23] <holstein> i should have left it more vauge now that i think about it...
[05:23] <tanders12> right now I'm trying to get ffado-mixer working with af4
[05:23] <holstein> AH
[05:23] <holstein> i dont need that either
[05:23] <holstein> the firepod just has knobs
[05:23] <tanders12> did you read all the details on how I got mine working?
[05:24] <holstein> i skimmed
[05:24] <holstein> let me look back there...
[05:24] <holstein> tanders12: OH
[05:24] <holstein> about the xruns
[05:25] <holstein> tanders12: do you know what firewire chipset you have?
[05:25] <holstein> i have several texas instrument chipsets because they work *so* well
[05:25] <holstein> you can see it running
[05:25] <holstein> lspci
[05:25] <holstein> in a terminal
[05:25] <tanders12> 08:03.1 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments PCIxx12 OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
[05:25] <holstein> AH
[05:25] <holstein> sweet :)
[05:25] <holstein> thats the goods
[05:25] <tanders12> for sure
[05:26] <holstein> tanders12: check in a terminal
[05:26] <tanders12> i just happened to have it builtin my vaio. lucked out
[05:26] <holstein> cat /proc/interrupts
[05:26] <tanders12>  16:         89      85437   IO-APIC-fasteoi   firewire_ohci, yenta, i915
[05:26] <holstein> hmmm
[05:26] <holstein> not ideal
[05:27] <holstein> tanders12: i915 is the graphics?
[05:27] <tanders12> what's it mean?
[05:27] <tanders12> not sure...
[05:27] <holstein> well, ideally
[05:27] <holstein> firewire_ohci
[05:27] <holstein> would be alone
[05:27] <holstein> sometimes you can set that in the bios
[05:27] <tanders12> ah the bus is shared?
[05:27] <tanders12> hm that's good to know
[05:27] <holstein> BUT not usually on laptopts
[05:27] <tanders12> ill try next time i reboot
[05:28] <tanders12> what's yenta?
[05:28] <holstein> theres also some internal linux magic that you can do im told
[05:28] <holstein> tanders12: im prettly sure i915 is the intel graphics
[05:28] <holstein> but yenta
[05:28] <tanders12> keep in mind that I didn't put much effort into getting rid of the xruns yet, such as turning off compiz, shutting stuff down, etc
[05:29] <holstein> im going to have to google
[05:30] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=847971
[05:30] <holstein> i guess yenta is PCMCIA
[05:35] <tanders12> sry
[05:35] <tanders12> gnome froze. second time tonight, weird
[05:36] <tanders12> i think I might have hosed some stuff with everything I've been installing lately :)
[05:40] <holstein> yeah, i got some issues on my server box too
[05:40] <holstein> running sloooow
[05:42] <holstein> hmmm
[05:42] <holstein> maybe its the internet...
[05:44] <tanders12> maybe
[05:44] <tanders12> so basically i don't know how I got JACK working, but I think it had to do with this: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/ffado.git;a=blob_plain;f=debian/60-ffado.rules
[05:45] <tanders12> I added that file to /liv/udev/rules.d
[05:45] <tanders12> it didn't work right away, but later that night it started working for some reason, on all of my kernels
[05:46] <holstein> hmmm
[05:46] <tanders12> **/lib/udev/rules.d
[05:46] <holstein> plausible
[05:46] <holstein> that would be specific to your hardware too
[05:46] <holstein> right?
[05:46] <tanders12> i did a couple other things to thougn so im not sure
[05:46] <tanders12> idk
[05:46] <ailo_> This is in essence the same thing that you did holstein, right, only this file contains instructions for specific devicew
[05:46] <tanders12> https://ieee1394.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Juju_Migration
[05:46] <tanders12> hail ailo :)
[05:47] <holstein> ailo_: HEY
[05:47] <holstein> yeah, seems similar
[05:48] <ailo_> Oh, and Happy New year..
[05:50] <holstein> :)
[05:51] <tanders12> so i was tellin ailo that i want to make a fresh install and see if I can figure out exactly what made this work
[05:51] <tanders12> im curious now
[05:51] <holstein> sounds about right ;)
[05:51] <tanders12> how much space does a vanilla ubuntu install take up?
[05:51] <holstein> hmmm
[05:51] <holstein> 2gb?
[05:52] <holstein> maybe more
[05:52] <holstein> i can fit an install on a 4gb SD card
[05:52] <holstein> actually, i think i fit an ubuntustudio install on a 4gb carg
[05:52] <holstein> card*
[05:55] <tanders12> hm that's good. Should be able to make space for a testbed
[08:02] <tanders12> Ho
[08:02] <tanders12> holstein or ailo you guys around?
[08:11] <tanders12> K well when you get back I've confirmed that with a fresh updated install of Maverick with an Audiofire 4 after installing libffado2 followed by jack2 (and letting jack set up real time stuff), and adding user to audio group, it does not work. However, I then added the Debian 60-ffado.rules file to /lib/udev/rules.d, rebooted, and it works.
[11:21] <rhalff> anyone got this working with an audiofire2 ?
[17:28] <virtu> hi 4 all
[17:28] <virtu> happy new year
[17:28] <holstein> virtu: indeed :)
[17:28] <holstein> happy new year!!
[17:30] <virtu> tks holstein  =)
[17:31] <virtu> a friend of mine has a macbook for sale... with a great brazilian prive
[17:31] <virtu> price
[17:31] <virtu> but I dont know if it is a nice deal
[17:31] <holstein> i have a specific limit for what i spent on apple products
[17:32] <holstein> spend*
[17:32] <holstein> virtu: what are the specs?
[17:32] <virtu> he is selling for R$ 1.200,00 with C2D 2.0ghz, 1GB RAM 80GB HD
[17:33] <holstein> hmmm
[17:33] <holstein> whats R$ again?
[17:33] <holstein> i'll have to do transfer that
[17:33] <virtu> Brazilian Real money
[17:33]  * holstein looking
[17:33] <virtu> U$ 1,00 = R$ 1,75
[17:33] <holstein> hmmm
[17:34] <virtu> a brand new mac costs almost R$ 3.000,00
[17:34] <holstein> thats about what the new mabooks are going for here
[17:34] <holstein> virtu: thats probably a macbook pro
[17:34] <holstein> or something fancy
[17:34] <virtu> sure...
[17:34] <ailo> Those specs look a bit old, no?
[17:34] <holstein> if i were spending 3000
[17:34] <holstein> i would want 4 cores
[17:34] <holstein> or an iwhatever
[17:35] <holstein> and some memory capacity at least
[17:35] <virtu> ailo: sure... that´s my point of discussion... nice deal getting a macbook with that specs?
[17:35] <holstein> i say no
[17:35] <virtu> a sony vaio
[17:35] <virtu> core i3 500gb
[17:35] <virtu> 4gb
[17:35] <virtu> for R$ 2.199,00
[17:35] <virtu> brand new
[17:35] <holstein> a comparable non-apple machine like that would be a hundered bucks US
[17:36] <holstein> or free if your in the right place at the right time
[17:36] <virtu> for free? get one for me =D
[17:36] <holstein> sure
[17:36]  * virtu right now is on vacation at my mothers house
[17:36] <holstein> i'll COD it
[17:37] <holstein> it'll cost $400 to ship it to you ;P
[17:37] <virtu> tks holstein =) heheh
[17:37] <virtu> USPS PMI
[17:37] <holstein> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Apple%26%23174;+-+MacBook%26%23174;+/+Intel%26%23174;+Core%26%23153;2+Duo+Processor+/+13.3%22+Display+/+2GB+Memory+/+250GB+Hard+Drive+-+White/9944833.p?id=1218199185981&skuId=9944833
[17:37] <holstein> does that link work?
[17:38] <holstein> its nasty... sorry
[17:38] <holstein> thats a 1000 US
[17:38] <virtu> a FRE (flat rate envelope priority) with 5 shirts costs U$ 18,95 to ship here
[17:38] <holstein> new
[17:38] <virtu> link didnt work
[17:38] <holstein> at a box store
[17:39] <holstein> http://tinyurl.com/2wwubhj
[17:39] <holstein> thats twice the ram
[17:39] <holstein> much bigger HD
[17:39] <holstein> half the price
[17:39] <holstein> and new
[17:40] <virtu> next monday I will buy a new desktop for my mom
[17:40] <virtu> this one are too old =(
[17:40] <virtu> and maybe get a new notebook for me
[17:41] <holstein> i want to get something from http://www.system76.com/
[17:41] <holstein> i just dont need anything now
[17:46] <virtu> http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-MacBook-C2D-2-4G-13-160G-2G-DVD-RW-WiFi-11n-Mint-/350425017509?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item5196f56ca5#ht_2244wt_1136
[17:46] <holstein> thats more like it
[17:46] <holstein> still
[17:46] <holstein> you can get a comparable PC for a third of that i bet
[17:47] <holstein> and at what cost?
[17:47] <holstein> so you can run OSX ?
[17:47] <holstein> not worth it to me
[17:47] <holstein> i bought snow leopard
[17:47] <holstein> and i like it OK
[17:47] <holstein> i like the price point
[17:47] <holstein> 30 bucks US
[17:47] <virtu> yes... I have to agree with you... never played with mac before and it seems to much money to spent
[17:48] <holstein> still, i wouldnt have paid 3 or 4 times the price just to use it
[17:48] <holstein> i got the macbook for free
[17:52]  * virtu running on a Celeron(R) 2.80ghz with 1.5GB RAM with a crappy motherboard =(
[17:52] <virtu> mother´s desktop
[17:53] <holstein> i dont know
[17:53] <holstein> depends on what you're doing i suppose
[17:54] <holstein> if your not keeping up with modern games
[17:54] <holstein> or doing a bunch of video editing
[17:54] <holstein> prolly just fine
[17:54] <virtu> here with this desk my mother has some trouble surfing the web with she access a website with some nice images
[17:55] <holstein> my EEEpc
[17:55] <holstein> 900mhz
[17:55] <holstein> gig of ram
[17:55] <holstein> loads pages and images from the net just fine
[17:55] <virtu> so first she needs a new simple one... and me... will save some money... that´s my opinion now... will change my note later this new year
[17:56] <holstein> i would say thats a browser, OS, or network issue
[17:56] <ailo> I'd say the celeron pc can be used for most things, just need to update your graphic card.
[17:56] <virtu> holstein: the big problem here is the onboard video card + bad motherboard performance
[17:56] <virtu> ailo: you are right...
[17:57] <virtu> the good thing is that my mom said that budget is for 450U$ to spend
[17:57] <virtu> so I will change everything
[17:57] <holstein> i have to be careful when i go downstairs and not trip on old audio cards ;)
[17:57] <virtu> motherboard + proc + video card
[17:57] <holstein> you can get them for $2 here
[17:57] <holstein> at a charity shop
[17:57] <ailo> I bought a new amd X2 for around 250$, excluding a hard drive
[17:57] <ailo> In parts
[17:58] <holstein> again, that sounds like an OS/driver issue
[17:58] <holstein> virtu: is it running windows?
[17:58] <virtu> ailo: in USA all items are very cheap then here in brazil =(
[17:58] <ailo> I'm not in US
[17:58] <virtu> holstein: yes... windows XP here
[17:58] <virtu> ailo: sorry
[17:58] <holstein> well, thats the problem
[17:59] <ailo> But, I'm sure it depends a lot on location
[17:59] <holstein> probably could re-install windows
[17:59] <holstein> check some drivers
[17:59] <holstein> i installed ubuntu on my moms laptop
[17:59] <holstein> locked it down a bit
[17:59] <holstein> works great
[17:59] <holstein> not totally bullet-proof i suppose
[17:59] <holstein> but i dont get 'those calls' anymore
[18:00] <virtu> holstein: I will do that after I get the new one... this one I will donate to a School near by
[18:00] <holstein> interesting
[18:00] <virtu> so I will install ubuntu and check all the hardware... after that will donate it
[18:00] <holstein> i got a faster PC as my production rig
[18:01] <holstein> but just because i found one
[18:01] <holstein> the one i had til about 6 months ago was slower than that
[18:01] <holstein> 2.4 with a gig of ram
[18:01] <holstein> worked great
[18:01] <holstein> i mean, do what you want
[18:02] <holstein> but, you dont *need* to upgrade that PC
[18:04] <ailo> I agree. For normal use, office/internet, all you need is a descent graphic card for web content. The cheapest new cards can do.
[18:04] <holstein> yeah, a 64mb card would do the job
[18:04] <holstein> OR some integrated GPU
[18:05] <virtu> tomorrow I will open this gabinet to see waht kind of slot is there available
[18:05] <holstein> for the sound card?
[18:05] <holstein> you'll have PCI slots
[18:05] <virtu> video card
[18:05] <holstein> that should be AGP
[18:05] <virtu> agp or pci
[18:05] <holstein> its of that vintage
[18:05] <holstein> not PCI express
[18:05] <virtu> aham
[18:05] <holstein> could be though
[18:06] <holstein> virtu: get you an ubuntu live CD
[18:06] <holstein> put it in there
[18:06] <virtu> pvi express is newer than this desk motherboard
[18:06] <holstein> and check out how it runs
[18:06] <virtu> good idea..
[18:06] <holstein> you could do a WUBI install
[18:06] <holstein> or dual boot
[18:07] <holstein> really tweak the UI for your mom
[18:07] <holstein> make it stupid easy and unbreakable
[18:07] <virtu> I already have a 64bits iso image here... but it will not load nice on this desk, right?
[18:07] <holstein> hmmm
[18:07] <holstein> i think thats a 32bit proc right?
[18:08] <virtu> yes...
[18:08] <holstein> yeah
[18:08] <holstein> you'll need the other iso
[18:08] <virtu> willl download now
[18:08] <virtu> also this keyboard sucks =P
[18:08] <ailo> holstein: do you know anything about the rtirq-init script? Never paid any attention on how it is installed, or when
[18:09] <holstein> ailo: i havent needed to mess with it
[18:09] <holstein> i saw it go down once
[18:09] <holstein> some tweaking
[18:09] <holstein> over in the OSMP channnel
[18:09] <ailo> Just read for firewire cards on the new stack you need to change the script.
[18:09] <holstein> hmmm
[18:09] <ailo> change a name somewhere
[18:09] <holstein> this would have been 10.04
[18:10] <holstein> actually, that might have been a debian user
[18:10] <holstein> ailo: i need to look at AVlinux again
[18:10] <holstein> seems like there are some tweaks there for firewire
[18:10] <holstein> that US could use
[18:10] <ailo> Ok, I think I'll need to read more about it. Don't know if the script is needed with lowlatency, or if it does any good.
[18:11] <holstein> probably just little things like that
[18:11] <holstein> ailo: we are the US firewire dev team
[18:11] <holstein> by the way ;)
[18:11] <holstein> you and I
[18:11] <ailo> holstein: ok, that's fine with me :)
[18:14]  * virtu trying to find a video card with some local friends here
[18:14] <holstein> virtu: what card do you have?
[18:15] <holstein> integrated intel?
[18:15] <virtu> let me see here
[18:15] <holstein> those are well supported in linux usually
[18:15] <virtu> SIS661FX
[18:15] <holstein> AH
[18:16] <holstein> ive had bad luck with those in linux
[18:16] <holstein> still, should be fine with XP
[18:16] <virtu> this motherboard is a crappy =/
[18:16] <virtu> all drivers are ok
[18:16] <holstein> well, XP says they are OK ;)
[18:16] <virtu> and when a new line on the chat appears it loads after a second =/
[18:17] <virtu> crappy in the meaning of performance... this desk works great at his time =)
[18:19] <holstein> http://www.sis.com/support/support_faqs_4.htm
[18:20] <ailo> virtu, I had problems with Geforce 3, so I know those are too old. On Windows you'll propably be happy with anything newer than that. Mostly I find the problem is in displaying Flash content.
[18:21] <virtu> let me try the univga3 driver from holstein site
[18:34] <virtu> didint work =/
[18:34] <holstein> virtu: no better?
[18:35] <holstein> or didnt work?
[18:35] <holstein> virtu: are you up to date?
[18:35] <holstein> service pack 3 or whatever
[18:35] <holstein> well, anyways, this is getting to be windows support...
[18:35] <virtu> didnt work... the setup from driver said that this model isnt compatible with new support =/
[18:35] <holstein> i just wanted to say
[18:35] <holstein> get a new computer if you want
[18:35] <holstein> BUT just because you want to
[18:36] <virtu> =) I will try save money
[18:36] <holstein> not because that one aint happenin'
[18:36] <virtu> tomorrow I will get a video card borrow
[18:36] <holstein> i think you're seeing some OS, driver, or network issues
[18:36] <holstein> that box really should be screamin along with XP and/or any linux
[18:37] <virtu> let me restart here
[18:37] <virtu> brb
[19:53] <holstein> hey rhalff
[19:54] <holstein> you got an audiofire?
[19:55] <holstein> http://www.ffado.org/?q=devicesupport/list&filter0=&filter1=audiofire&op2=OR
[19:55] <holstein> rhalff: are you running 10.10?
[19:56] <holstein> if you are
[19:56] <holstein> i would suggest http://jackschnippes.freeunix.net/index.php/2010/11/04/lowlatency-kernel-and-realtime-kernel-for-ubuntu-10-10-maverick
[19:56] <holstein> also, you will need to be in the audio and video groups
[19:56] <holstein> sudo adduser you audio
[19:56] <holstein> and/or
[19:57] <holstein> sudo adduser you video
[19:57] <holstein> ALSO
[19:57] <holstein> i used to use... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Firewire
[19:57] <holstein> BUT recently a user came in and said that...
[19:58] <holstein> http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/ffado.git;a=blob_plain;f=debian/60-ffado.rules
[19:58] <holstein> was helpful
[21:04] <pgahlen> hi
[21:04] <pgahlen> I have a question anybody here?
[21:04] <holstein> pgahlen: whats up?
[21:05] <pgahlen> :D
[21:06] <pgahlen> ok ... i would like to install ubuntu-studio, but i have a problem . one week ago i tried to install ubuntu with the alternate cd and there was no desktop
[21:06] <pgahlen> is it the same with the alternate of ubuntu-studio?
[21:06] <holstein> yup
[21:06] <holstein> ubuntu = ubuntustudio
[21:07] <pgahlen> hm ... ok
[21:07] <holstein> pgahlen: i would get a live CD
[21:07] <holstein> and try some things
[21:07] <pgahlen> where can i find it?
[21:07] <holstein> i think when you first boot in
[21:07] <holstein> you hi t F6
[21:07] <holstein> hit*
[21:07] <holstein> and select nomodeset
[21:07] <holstein> you'll want the equivalent of 'safe graphics mode'
[21:08] <holstein> see if that helps
[21:08] <pgahlen> ok ... but i have to download the alternate?
[21:08] <holstein> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[21:08] <holstein> pgahlen: just get the normal live one
[21:08] <holstein> there are lots of different kinds of iso images
[21:08] <holstein> 32bit
[21:08] <pgahlen> im running the normal
[21:08] <holstein> 64bit
[21:09] <holstein> pgahlen: you already have ubuntu installed?
[21:09] <pgahlen> yup
[21:09] <holstein> and you dont have a dekstop?
[21:09] <holstein> just a blank screen?
[21:09] <pgahlen> no i have a desktop and i'm work on it but i want to install studio
[21:10] <holstein> OK
[21:10] <holstein> pgahlen: you dont *have* to install ubuntustudio
[21:10] <holstein> ubuntustudio is just a collection of packages
[21:10] <holstein> metapackages
[21:10] <holstein> you can think of it like kubuntu
[21:10] <holstein> or xubuntu
[21:10] <holstein> they all use the ubuntu repos
[21:10] <pgahlen> ubuntu is a collection too -.-
[21:10] <pgahlen> yep
[21:11] <holstein> pgahlen: you can just install what software you want
[21:11] <holstein> you can search synaptic or apt-cache search or whatever
[21:11] <holstein> for ubuntustudio
[21:11] <holstein> and read about the metapackages
[21:11] <holstein> you can check out
[21:11] <holstein> !vanilla
[21:11] <holstein> there are several packages just for the theme-ing
[21:12] <holstein> which is great looking, but you may not want to change your current setup
[21:12] <holstein> i usually get ubuntustudio-audio and ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[21:12] <holstein> BUT, if all you want is JACK and ardour
[21:12] <holstein> you can just install the individual packages you want
[21:13] <pgahlen> ^^ no i want to install the image-manipulating software
[21:13] <holstein> pgahlen: the gimp?
[21:13] <pgahlen> thats too
[21:14] <holstein> you probably just want ubuntustudio-graphics - Ubuntu Studio graphics Package
[21:14] <holstein> sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-graphics
[21:14] <holstein> OR you can just search for whatever sofware you're interested in
[21:14] <pgahlen> ^^ 416 MBs to Download wuuuuhuuuuuuu
[21:14] <holstein> and install it
[21:15] <holstein> pgahlen: right
[21:15] <holstein> its a meta-package
[21:15] <holstein> lots of stuff you might not want
[21:15] <pgahlen> i only have a 20KB/s WLAN connection ... i will search for the packages ^^
[21:16] <pgahlen> ok but thanks for your help
[21:16] <holstein> the alternate installers dont have a 'live mode'
[21:16] <holstein> that might be what you were encountering before
[21:16] <holstein> ubuntustudio uses that alternate style installer
[21:17] <pgahlen> but when it is installed there is a normal gnome desktop?
[21:18] <holstein> depends
[21:18] <holstein> ubuntustudio uses gnome
[21:18] <holstein> so in that case
[21:18] <holstein> yeah
[21:18] <holstein> BUT the server isntall for example
[21:18] <holstein> that would be an alternate installer
[21:18] <holstein> with no DE
[21:18] <holstein> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/ubuntustudio-graphics
[21:18] <holstein> ^^ lists all the packages in the ubuntustudio-graphics metapackage
[21:19] <holstein> you'll probably just want the gimp and inkscape
[21:19] <holstein> maybe scribus
[21:19] <holstein> i think those are the popular ones
[21:22] <holstein> pgahlen: could be a bad downloaded image
[21:22] <holstein> hmmm....