[00:27] when debugging applets, if I remove the applet from the panel, install a new package and readd the applet it still seems to be mapping the old (deleted) .so - is ther some way to force the panel to clear out it's cache of mapped widgets? [00:47] penguin42: probably restarting plasma-desktop is the easiest way [00:47] but better to ask development questions on #plasma for plasma [00:48] ah ok [00:48] thanks; it's actually very minimally plasma - I'm prodding in the device notifier and most of the stuff I'm doing is it's interaction with Solid [01:58] * claydoh missed the parties as usual , but hopes everyone has a great New Year!! [02:12] back from the cabin - happy new year, everyone! [02:16] same to you valorie :) [02:17] * claydoh had to work last night, you wouldn't believe how many people were NOT drinking, but eating instead - I was still @ werk past midnight :( [02:18] we eat *and* drink [02:18] * valorie had a touch too much alcohol, and not nearly enough sleep [02:20] I wonder what everyone would have done - we were the only restaurant open past 8 pm, fast-food or regular, in that end of town [02:21] eldest son made some roasted-beet salad [02:21] it was really excellent [02:21] if we were closed lots wouyd have gone hungry [02:21] people can cook! [02:21] at least I hope so [02:22] right! [02:22] i'd be out of work then :) [02:22] lol [02:22] we like going up to the cabin because there is no driving in the dangerous hours [02:22] an anyone drunk is going to be sleeping there anyway...... [02:22] smart [02:23] I've been having that party since I was 15 [02:23] which was a long time ago! [02:25] i somehow have managed to go 10 years without booze, never was a big drinker got that out of my system mostly before I turned 18 [02:25] which was also a long time ago [02:25] * claydoh likes that sort of fun tradition [02:27] I can take it or leave it [02:27] however, drinking moderately is fun sometimes [02:27] yes, in moderstion [02:28] I traditionally work on xmas eve/new years eve/ thanksgiving eve as he is so boring lol [02:29] err I am so boring rather [02:32] lol [02:32] well, my mother was an alcoholic, so I know the dangers [02:32] and prefer to stay well this side of them [03:32] * apachelogger sings a song [03:32] rbelem: if only it was written in a sensible language [03:32] like java [03:32] oh java [03:32] <3 [03:34] you wish wifi was written in java? [03:34] :P [03:39] apachelogger, hahaah [03:39] never! [03:42] JontheEchidna: yes [03:42] java is the key to world peace [03:45] apachelogger, every java code you write, a little rabbit die :-( [03:47] oh, killing baby bunnies [03:47] not good! [06:38] Hi! Anyone know how to do about testing Kubuntu on a netbook? [06:39] is this what you mean? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook/HardwareTesting [06:39] yes it is [08:10] apachelogger: Maemo SDK is *huge* [09:02] apachelogger: poke poke [10:01] omg omg omg [10:01] http://i.imgur.com/AyNzk.png [10:01] Riddell: apachelogger ^^ [10:15] happy new year, shadeslayer [10:15] valorie: same to you too! :D [10:16] thanks! [10:16] did you have a fun celebration? [10:16] I am so glad to leave 2010 behind [10:43] Happy new year valorie & shadeslayer :P [10:43] skfin: same to you :) [10:43] valorie: well ... i celebrated earlier in the day and was looking at Qt API at ~0000 hours [10:44] rbelem: omg, that is a lie!!!! [10:45] apachelogger: plz2help [10:45] happy new year skfin! [10:45] shadeslayer: wat do I help? [10:45] apachelogger: 1) how do you get apps into ovi store? [10:45] * apachelogger has little time as he needs to prepare for a sekrit meeting in about 2 hours [10:45] shadeslayer: I have no idea [10:46] zomg sekrit meeting [10:46] anyhow [10:46] you sign up [10:46] and upload [10:46] apachelogger: any fees? [10:46] I suppose [10:46] dunno [10:46] possibly [10:46] possibly not [10:46] time will tell [10:46] apachelogger: how do i add a QWebViewLayout and a QLineEdit to a QGraphicsLinearLayout [10:46] i cant seem to be able to do that :( [10:46] only a true jedi will know when the time is right and things will unveil in front of us [10:47] apachelogger: and did you see this : http://i.imgur.com/AyNzk.png [10:47] my dear shadeslayer [10:47] please read about qgraphiscscene and qgraphisview [10:47] another issue being .. my QGraphicsWebView does not resize :P [10:48] after that you will see why this does not work and also whole to solve this, though it is questionable whether one wants to solve this [10:48] my dear shadeslayer [10:48] please also read about layouting in Qt [10:48] after that you will see why it does not resize [10:48] apachelogger: dude .. thats why im trying QGraphicsLinearLayout [10:49] but what do you align is it that I ask of you [10:50] whut? [10:50] read about qgraphiscview and scene [10:51] ok [10:51] apachelogger: i just want my QLineEdit and my QGraphicsWebView to be resized with the window resize [10:51] i just hope thats possible [10:51] apachelogger: have you been circling the Earth in your spaceship? [10:52] you sound very Yoda-like === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:15] valorie: time I have travelled, but not the earth [11:16] only when you have seen three morning after a night without sleep you will see the true teachings of the jedi [11:18] I would be seeing the inside of the insane asylum about then [11:19] only those who give in to their feelings will walk this path, for it is the ways of the darkness that lead to insanity [11:38] git audit fails \o/ [11:39] JontheEchidna: btw, template for sysadmin request on git migration: http://paste.kde.org/1659/ ;) [11:39] * apachelogger should add that to techbase [11:45] apachelogger: so i sort of figured out stuff [11:46] i can use a QGraphicsWidget to add a QLineEdit to a QGraphicsLinearLayout [11:46] whew [11:47] oh [11:47] you did not read enough it would appear :P [11:47] shadeslayer: do you really need to do that? [11:47] because you certainly do not want to do that unless you need to [11:47] and I have a feeling you do not need to [11:47] well i just want my fscking urlbar and webview to resize [11:47] when i resize my main window [11:47] :S [11:48] apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/jEgQ1eGw [11:48] my weird code [11:48] plz do not use the shitbin [11:48] * apachelogger has to edit stupid bot protection stuff [11:48] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/1660 [11:48] better? :D [11:49] one day one will have to upload nakkid pictures so the services can be sure one is actually human [11:49] shadeslayer: yeah [11:49] see [11:49] lol === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [11:49] I suggest you to read something [11:49] but you dont [11:49] because if you did you would absolutely know what to do [11:49] * shadeslayer is all sorts of confused between a QGV and a QGS [11:49] your qgraphicsview, being a qwidgets is contained within a qwidget [11:49] in particular that qwidget is a qmainwindow [11:50] 1. qmainwindows require a central widget to be set [11:50] 2. that central widget can then contain a layout [11:50] 3. that layout can contain multiple other widgets [11:50] so [11:50] we have qgraphisview [11:50] omg omg omg [11:50] which is a qwidget [11:50] and you want to add qlineedit [11:50] which is also a qwidget [11:50] yus !!! [11:50] and you have a qwidget that will and must contain both [11:51] now how would one achieve that :P [11:51] also [11:51] the golden rule of Qwidgets [11:51] everything [11:51] must [11:51] always [11:51] have [11:51] a layout [11:51] :) [11:51] when you create a qgraphisview you should already have a layout and immediately after allocation add the view to the layout [11:52] otherwise you get funky messed up uis like the snapshots you posted earlier [11:53] shadeslayer: your member naming policy is a bit weird too [11:53] apachelogger: oic [11:53] apachelogger: oh ... i know i should use m_ [11:53] for example :P [11:53] ill be changing that once ive fixed my layout etc [11:54] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/1661/ [11:54] there are other means to differe them from local vars ;) [11:54] yep [11:54] i shall fix them after i fix layouts [11:55] shadeslayer: your license header has newline problems ;) [11:55] apachelogger: where? [11:55] underneith your copyright [11:55] oh ... [11:55] right ... no new line after the license [11:56] fixed :) [11:58] apachelogger: so its possible that when i resize my mainwindow my webview is also resized? [11:58] just a yes or no please :P [11:58] omg! [11:58] oh my god [11:58] hmm? [11:58] I could do a concert in madison square garden with my blog [11:58] perform 3 times [11:58] so many visitors I had in 2010 :D [11:59] also [11:59] fluffy [11:59] is === shadeslayer changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu New Year | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Please test KDE in lucid-proposed LP: #691068 [11:59] the top search [11:59] dead? [11:59] oh [11:59] :P [11:59] not even ubuntu one kde managed to beat it [11:59] Nightrose: !!! [11:59] fluffy [11:59] lol [11:59] :O [11:59] in particular... [11:59] shadeslayer: Y U NO DO DIS? http://code.google.com/p/qtscriptgenerator/ [11:59] fluffy is number one [11:59] then is kubuntu is not ubuntu [12:00] then an inconvenient truth [12:00] and only then ubuntu one kde [12:00] hahahaha [12:00] :D [12:00] pwnd [12:00] Quintasan: im busy with other stuff atm .... will looksie :) [12:00] shadeslayer: it's a quick work [12:00] Quintasan: apachelogger is harrasing me :P [12:00] I can't do this due to loldisk failure [12:00] shadeslayer: the ways of resizing are a mystery [12:00] apachelogger: !!! [12:00] shadeslayer: only those who understand the ways of Qt will understand its resizing [12:01] kernel guys and internets claim it's my hdd dying but windows works just fine :/ [12:01] yeah [12:01] Nightrose: fluffy is the awesumest [12:01] :D [12:01] apachelogger: you'lll have a full house at fosdem ;-) [12:02] * apachelogger ponders blogging those stats [12:02] rather intersting [12:02] do it [12:03] FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- [12:04] How the hell can my drive be dying after a year [12:08] happy new year all [12:08] happy new year Riddell [12:08] Quintasan: checked smart data? [12:10] apachelogger: i fail to understand how im supposed to do it [12:10] checking [12:10] :( [12:10] yofel: I'm running long self-assessment test now [12:10] yofel: the short one passed without any problems [12:10] because you refuse to read what I tell you to read [12:11] happy new year Riddell [12:11] yofel: there is something in error log but I don't know what it means :/ [12:11] i did read QGV and QGS [12:11] I told you more [12:11] Riddell: happy new year ... once again :D [12:11] hm, I've seen apps complaining about the weirdest smart values though [12:11] but you went like "ah I do not need to read that, know it all" :P [12:11] and our power management settings aren't very useful either :/ [12:11] lol [12:11] well, I'm sure I greeted everyone but [12:11] Happy New Year everyone :D [12:12] happy new year, Riddell, Quintasan [12:13] apachelogger: what do i need to read in particular about those 2 classes? [12:14] ive read the description, how they work ... [12:14] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/1662 [12:20] oh [12:20] my [12:20] fckn [12:21] butterfly [12:21] * apachelogger leaves now before he has to commit to the ways of RTFM and fall for the dark side of the force torturing people with lightning and whatnot [13:21] apachelogger: pokety poke http://paste.kde.org/1677 [13:22] it works now ... but cant input text :P [13:22] clicking links work [14:04] JontheEchidna: I've subscribed you to 3 bugs. [14:17] w00t [14:17] so just finished te demo browser [14:18] http://bit.ly/hEhq7p [14:18] thats from the browser i made [14:18] http://bit.ly/dZCsgi [14:18] is from chromium [14:18] \o/ [14:26] shadeslayer: well, nothing surprising [14:26] Quintasan: whai? [14:26] shadeslayer: your browser has less functions [14:27] so? [14:27] so it's faster? [14:27] pretty much does everything that chrome does [14:27] except having tabs [14:27] incognito mode? [14:27] extensions [14:27] by default [14:27] each tab as a sepearate process? [14:27] doesnt save passwords et all :P [14:27] no tabs [14:28] incognito mode by default? [14:28] yep [14:28] Quintasan: doesnt save your data anywhere [14:28] well, no wise IMO [14:28] not everyone is paranoid [14:28] :D [14:28] lol [14:28] welll [14:28] Quintasan: http://gitweb.kde.org/scratch/garg/DemoWebViewBrowser.git [14:28] go run tests [14:28] and compile [14:28] Well, that might have sounded negative but I'm not implying that it is crap [14:28] and compare to chrome [14:29] 2 days of work ^_^ [14:29] >implying I have chrome installed [14:29] well [14:29] FF [14:29] or whatever you have [14:29] ... [14:29] >implying I use FF [14:29] its faster than rekonq anyways [14:29] What am I, a masochist? [14:29] Quintasan: do you even *use* a browser? :P [14:29] Opera [14:29] Opera > [14:30] well .. compare it to that then :) [14:30] i wish we had v8 in qt-webkit [14:30] zsh: segmentation fault ./QtDemoBrowser [14:30] lol [14:30] lolwut [14:31] Quintasan: backtrace plz [14:31] Quintasan: and url's need to be in http:// format [14:31] oh [14:32] one feature less [14:32] :P [14:32] and it crashed [14:32] ill add that feature [14:32] Quintasan: backtrace or it didnt happen [14:33] dunno how to generate one [14:33] gdb won't even start it [14:33] Quintasan: gdb ./src/QtDemoBrowser [14:33] in your build dir [14:33] and then run [14:33] wow, are you serious? [14:34] god damn [14:34] moar debug libs? [14:34] go to hell [14:34] shadeslayer: feature request: make the QLineEdit or whatever you used KEEP the url after you press enter [14:34] lol [14:34] yofel: will do [14:34] hm wati [14:34] Did you package that qtscript stuff shadeslayer? [14:34] patches welcome : [14:34] Quintasan: no [14:34] ill be back in another 15 misn [14:35] and will start on that [14:35] great, building anything here is impossible due to (claimed) hdd failure [14:35] lol ... its not working for me now [14:35] damn kernel team [14:35] "seems like a hardware failure to me" [14:35] shadeslayer: very interesting behaviour: enter URL -> press enter -> URL vanishes -> click somewhere else -> URL comes back [14:35] lol [14:35] and windows works normally [14:35] yofel: :P [14:36] dunno why but i cant open a page [14:36] why the hell you are writing this shadeslayer? [14:36] and the scroll bars are messed up, I get 2 sets [14:36] we already have arora, konq, and rekonq [14:37] yofel: easy fix for that [14:37] You'd better fix rekonq bugs instead of creating another browser [14:37] Quintasan: its a demo browser using QGraphicsWebView [14:37] :P [14:37] something rekonq will use in the coming days [14:37] so i wanted to experiment with it [14:37] Isn't it better to test directly within rekonq? [14:37] shadeslayer: http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/qdemo.png [14:38] Who knows how different could be in rekonq? [14:40] this is funny, when I enter a new URL, pressing enter will put the old URL into the urlbar until I click somewhere else, and when I do that it'll go back to the page of the first input URL [14:40] odd 'Back' button... [14:41] yofel: fixed here : http://i.imgur.com/jBnJi.png [14:41] better :D [14:41] now i have to go [14:41] cya [14:42] shadeslayer is almost as good as apachelogger in claiming he is busy [14:43] well, at least shadeslayer gets some thing done ;D [14:54] is there any way to find out what slows kwin down? On both of my systems compiz runs much smoother then kwin [14:54] i'd like to find out the cause of that :p [14:54] trichard: give a try to 4.6 === sresu_ is now known as sresu [14:55] mgraesslin: how stable are the 4.6 RC packages for kubuntu? [14:56] no idea about the packages, but I have been running 4.6 for ~two months now [15:01] cool, ubuntu-desktop needs to be uninstalled to install 4.6? :) [15:16] 4.6 works mostly fine here, I want the blur effect back though :/ [15:17] yofel: did you install it from the beta packages? [15:17] yes [15:18] do you have gnome installed aswell? [15:18] only partially, what does it want to remove? [15:19] yofel: hmm strange, aptitude doesn't want to remove ubuntu-desktop [15:20] kpackagekit want to remove gnome-power-manager and ubuntu-desktop [15:20] and update-notifier [15:20] hm, I do have g-p-m installed here together with 4.6 [15:21] yofel: must be a bug in KPackageKit then :s [15:24] wololololol [15:25] yofel: turns out that might be a problem with the HDD cables, not the drive itself [15:25] :S [15:25] what's the error in the first place? [15:25] yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/549551 [15:25] I know I had a broken cable which caused ATA DRDY errors once [15:26] yofel: and after that the i/o is soooo slow that starting anything takes at least 10 seconds [15:26] and sometimes freezes the whole pc === pascal_ is now known as pascalaldo [15:48] ok [15:48] so [15:48] Quintasan: what needs doing? [16:57] * apachelogger is out of cookies! [16:57] oh noes! [16:57] Ooooh [16:57] * ulysses eats cookies [16:57] That would be because I ate all of them [16:58] apachelogger: did you see my browser [16:58] I saw the code [16:58] Ok [16:58] And? [16:59] still wrong [16:59] ^_^ [17:03] apachelogger: I don't know how to fix it anymore... patch [17:04] :-( [17:04] because you were not listening [17:09] apachelogger: I pushed a rebased branch today, just in case you want to build a package ;-) [17:12] apachelogger: plz 2 fix [17:17] apachelogger: I'm going to try and write the browser in QML next [17:18] It's already been written... ill just have a peek [17:18] someone likes to make konq-plugins to beta-repository with libkonq5 -> libkonq5a dependency change? [17:27] Tm_T: sure, I can upload it to beta [17:46] uhhoh, this is strange... [17:57] apachelogger, :-D [18:01] mgraesslin: where? [18:02] apachelogger: http://gitweb.kde.org/scratch/graesslin/kwin-gles.git [18:02] groovy [18:02] I'll package it tomorrow then :) [18:02] awesome [18:32] interesting [18:32] my client isnt connecting [18:33] oh boi [18:34] * shadeslayer_ pokes jefferai [18:45] E: Build-Depends dependency for kdebase cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package kde-sc-dev-latest can satisfy version requirements [18:45] this with beta-ppa [18:56] Tm_T: try again in a few minutes [18:57] I'm working on a plasma port of ambiance, any chance of getting that into kubuntu? [18:58] * apachelogger just sort of retired phonon-xine [18:58] * apachelogger feels a bit sad now [18:58] scnd101: not as default setting [18:59] could be on the CD though (given space is available) === starcraft is now known as starcraftman [18:59] right, sounds good to me [18:59] why is that though? [18:59] all KDE distros seem to use air [19:00] apachelogger, did you take a look at the plasma-mobile package? :-) [19:00] no [19:00] I am swamped! [19:01] lol [19:01] * apachelogger is ike the most important phonon dev evar [19:01] I am retiring stuff instead of adding more [19:01] :P [19:01] apachelogger: amarok crashes :P [19:01] >most impotant [19:01] >apachelogger [19:01] DOES NOT COMPUTE [19:01] shadeslayer: that is because amarok's enginecontroller is phony [19:01] :P [19:01] * apachelogger knows way too many code bases because of phonon :S [19:01] like kgoldrunner [19:02] which is insanely adictive if one is into that sort of thing [19:02] apachelogger will phonon video kcm be a part of kde 4.6? [19:02] it's on the todo list [19:02] * shadeslayer pokes sheytan to give him a spinner busywidget [19:02] shadeslayer ? :D [19:02] sheytan: please to make me a better spinner widget : http://i.imgur.com/ADFZB.png [19:02] see those black fugly things [19:03] make them look awesome [19:03] sheytan: no [19:03] shadeslayer i will, but not today :) [19:03] :( [19:03] sheytan: video capturing is not yet mature enough [19:03] sheytan: any ideas? [19:03] apachelogger is there a screenshot of it? [19:03] however it is on our todo for phonon 4.5 (aka spitfire) [19:03] sheytan: it does not yet exist to my knowledge [19:03] oh [19:03] well, good luck :) [19:03] make phonon rule [19:04] doesnt phono already rule? [19:04] it does, but you know :D [19:04] you can always do better :D [19:04] shadeslayer must it be svg or raster? [19:04] make phonon shoot pulse and rule even more.. [19:04] sheytan: its a flippin GIF right now [19:05] shadeslayer btw: the background for the thumbs looks bad :P [19:05] yofel: thanks <3 [19:05] integrating plasma theme in every app isn't a good idea [19:05] sheytan: background? [19:05] ah [19:05] yes [19:05] that [19:05] well ... make a mockup and send it to our mailing list :P [19:05] shadeslayer what about a whole mock of the star page? :) [19:05] ahahha :D [19:05] sheytan: sure [19:05] you read my mind :D [19:06] i was actually thinking of doing it in QML [19:06] shadeslayer how much time do i have? [19:06] but apachelogger said NOOOOO [19:06] sheytan: as much as you wan [19:06] qml <3! [19:06] *want [19:06] ok [19:06] sheytan: inorite [19:06] why no qml? [19:07] qml is the suck :P [19:07] for video players [19:07] :P [19:07] nothing but trouble [19:07] lol [19:07] * apachelogger needs to do something in that direction for qtmobilevlc [19:07] and then recycle that knowledge for phonon [19:07] though I think I know the architecture that is needed [19:07] just not the code specifics [19:07] shouldn't qml be the cool stuff with animations? :P [19:07] apachelogger: so your participating in that competition? [19:07] will have to do opengl shader shit and whatnot [19:07] sheytan: no [19:07] shadeslayer: no [19:08] but QML is the awesum [19:08] whai no QML <3 [19:08] sheytan: you can have animations in regular Qt too [19:08] just a bit more work to implement [19:08] see [19:08] :P [19:08] anyhow, the main problem with making good looking uis is that they are not compatible with how performant video playback works on linux [19:08] all this programming sucks :D [19:08] which is overlay painting, where the video backend essentially instructs the X server to draw the frames on some region on the screen [19:09] thus overlay [19:09] the thing is that you cannot overlay an overlay [19:09] * shadeslayer proceeds to add Kinetic Scrolling in his browser [19:09] well, not in any sensible manner [19:17] wth is happening [19:17] jefferai: something is wrong [19:17] jefferai: im getting PM's [19:17] and not just any PM's [19:17] PM's with content from channels [19:17] lol [19:18] wtf? [19:18] yofel: yeah [19:18] like [19:18] from #plasma, #Cyanogenmod and #kde-devel [19:18] i just deleted them ... but if they occur again im going to do a imagebin [19:26] apachelogger: where should I send the theme when it's done? [19:27] hm [19:27] * apachelogger wonders if upstream KDE has a theme package thing [19:28] scnd101: I'll look into it, might be a while until I know though :) [19:28] maybe shadeslayer has an idea [19:28] about? [19:28] oh [19:28] theme packaging? [19:28] apachelogger: theme package thing? [19:28] no idea [19:28] well [19:28] ask on #oxygen or #plasma :P [19:29] btw, have a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/2YWuP.png [19:31] omg [19:31] it looks like ubuntu :D [19:31] :D [19:31] very nice [19:31] thanks [19:35] lol [19:36] apachelogger: what do you use to make screencasts? [19:36] scnd101: ETOOMUCHPURPLE :P [19:37] purple... [19:37] sheytan: vlc [19:37] shadeslayer: vlc [19:37] oic [19:37] * yofel goes filing bug about grub being purple with no sane way to change it [19:37] sheytan: srsly you and shadeslayer need to fight over the nicks :P [19:37] lol [19:37] there is no way I will ever type 3 characters for autocomplete [19:37] you need type the whole name ;D [19:37] nevar! [19:40] apachelogger evne if, there's a difference between our nicks. mine starts with she and shadeslayers with sha, so you can't replace e with a :D [19:40] you type too fast :D [19:40] I type 2 characters and then autocomplete my way [19:40] always [19:41] start with 3 characters :D [19:41] too much work [19:41] if one of us will change the nick, no one will know who we are :D [19:42] isnt that thrilling? [19:42] you would be like a comjpletely new person [19:42] :D === Daskreech is now known as sheyton [19:42] Fight! [19:42] what for? :D [19:43] NIckspace? === yofel is now known as sheytyl [19:44] lawl [19:44] nah, just trying to get a monotone world === sheytyl is now known as yofel [19:45] hm [19:45] that was short fun [19:47] I'm really puzzled with some stuff in konq-plugins [19:49] AHA [19:50] recorditnow is the broke [19:50] will fix [19:51] shadeslayer, sheytan, sheyton: Let's have everyone change their nicks to sh* [19:51] yes! [19:51] so apachelogger has big problems [19:51] just to annoy apachelogger [19:53] on the upside tab completing everyone in the chan will be one leter away on the keyboard [19:53] ^^ [19:54] Well, back to homework I guess [19:54] * Quintasan notes he should had done it before he even started working on project neon [19:54] Quintasan: high time :P [19:55] ari-tczew: it never worked out, I always end up postponing it after the work :DD === sheyton is now known as Daskreech [19:56] hehe [19:56] apachelogger: fix kubotu instead of doing some random things [19:56] * Quintasan hides under his desk [20:00] so [20:00] Quintasan: do you have multiverse upload rights? [20:01] shadeslayer: upload your new rekonq animation immediately :P (looks cool) [20:01] yofel: :P [20:01] oh [20:01] did i show it here? [20:01] nope, #plasma [20:01] well [20:02] http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/screencast.ogv [20:02] there ya go [20:02] yofel: its a big UI change .. will need to discuss it first tho [20:02] and the spinner isnt finished [20:02] needs more rendering [20:03] shadeslayer can you shoot a screenshot of rekonq for me? [20:04] sheytan: look at the screencast? [20:04] sheytan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/screencast.ogv << [20:04] shadeslayer, no no, this will look bad :P [20:04] oh [20:04] please make one for me ;D [20:04] well ok [20:04] a static screenshot [20:04] yep [20:05] sheytan: http://i.imgur.com/MOfu8.png [20:05] shadeslayer: no antialiasing? [20:05] thanks :) [20:05] scnd101: dunno [20:05] doesn't look like it :P [20:06] *shrug* [20:07] couldn't it just use the spinner from the plasma theme? [20:08] that *is* the new spinner from the plsama theme :) [20:09] the plasma theme one is using or just air? [20:10] dunno .. this is what notmart mailed me :P [20:10] ok :P [20:10] not really important [20:14] shadeslayer: yes I do [20:14] What about it? [20:15] Quintasan: ok recorditnow needed a dependency change to new libpolkit [20:15] im building it atm [20:15] will send a debdiff when its done [20:15] Did you check for new upstream release? [20:15] aww ... do i have to [20:15] would be wise [20:15] let me do it [20:16] nothing in debian [20:16] nor in upstream [20:17] shadeslayer: PROTIP use diff -Nru debian/* [20:17] I don't give a damn about any binary changes [20:17] yeah ... well ... whats the harm in debdiff [20:17] ah [20:17] see .. this is not a new release [20:17] :> [20:17] hey [20:17] upstream has 0.8 [20:17] >implying there won't be any crap stuffed in anyways [20:17] shadeslayer: no, they have 0.8.1 [20:17] Y YOU NO LOOK PROPERLY [20:17] Quintasan: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/RecordItNow?content=114610 [20:18] because I asked them to upload LICENSE etc. [20:18] and ubuntu has 0.7 [20:18] y u kiddin [20:18] lol [20:18] I have 0.8.1 source compiled now [20:18] Quintasan: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/recorditnow [20:18] WTF [20:18] lawl [20:19] so the sources arent correct? [20:19] http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/RecordItNow?content=114610 ? [20:19] lrn2read [20:19] it says 0.8.1 in the download link [20:20] and it is exactly beacuse I pestered them about the LICENSE file [20:21] makes life easier for packagers (rename GPLV2 to COPYING, buildin joschy) [20:21] 0_o [20:22] well let me fix 0.7 then [20:22] >buildin joschy [20:22] isn't exactly a life saver [20:22] but whatever [20:22] test building [20:22] Quintasan: make it dep on newer polkit [20:23] I did [20:23] thats all [20:23] ok feel free to upload then :P [20:23] Like hell I will [20:23] ill focus on QML + rekonq [20:23] QA comes first [20:23] ^_^ [20:24] Ya testin' mah MOTU mad skillz? [20:24] shadeslayer: [11426.128699] QtDemoBrowser[8374] general protection ip:7f573e59cbfe sp:7fff09528490 error:0 in libQtWebKit.so.4.8.0[7f573d5dd000+1571000] [20:24] lol gz [20:25] FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- [20:25] shadeslayer: /usr/bin/ld: note: 'XCreatePixmap' is defined in DSO /usr/lib64/libX11.so.6 so try adding it to the linker command line [20:25] /usr/lib64/libX11.so.6: could not read symbols: Invalid operation [20:25] how do we fix these? [20:25] hi, hope not to be OT, but can't get answer in #kubuntu. I want set globally NOT to load microblog plasmoid (I'm installing a ltsp server), but can't find where to set it... any clue? [20:26] Quintasan: pass custom linker flags to linker? [20:26] markit: I think kubuntu-default-settings is responsible for this [20:26] using -l? [20:26] markit: You could uninstall this [20:26] shadeslayer: in rules or what? [20:26] rules [20:26] yofel: ^^^ [20:26] well, my rules for recorditnow are most complicated ones [20:27] its probably -l ... i dont remember it for sure [20:27] ^_^ [20:27] dh $@ --parallel --with kde [20:27] :D [20:27] rofl [20:27] Quintasan: I love fudge [20:27] What the hell is fudge? [20:27] so [20:27] Quintasan: rekonq will have a interface like this : http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/demos-declarative-webbrowser.html [20:27] like hard chocolate brownies :) [20:27] supreme [20:28] It looks like,errr GTK app? [20:28] Quintasan: rather ask Scott, I generally fail at understanding how to fix this http://wiki.debian.org/ToolChain/DSOLinking [20:28] Daskreech: hard? isnt fudge liquid chocolate etc? [20:28] /troll [20:28] yofel: Oh, great, damn you natty linke [20:28] linker* [20:28] shadeslayer: not the kind I like :) it's the melted version of the real fudge [20:28] ah [20:28] Quintasan: but what is the file with the config? [20:28] gold linker-- [20:29] markit: sorry, can't help you there, I didn't mess with this one [20:29] markit: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu [20:29] markit: this has our current default settings [20:30] apachelogger maybe can help you as he isn't busy [20:30] :) [20:31] https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/libs/liblikeback [20:31] @_@ [20:31] another useless project of yours? [20:31] yes [20:32] Great! [20:32] Facebook fanpage? [20:32] Count me in [20:33] >UnderstandingDSOLinkChange [20:33] Like hell this is possible [20:34] im going to have fun with QML and C++ [20:34] ScottK: ping [20:34] Quintasan: PONG [20:34] (sorry for the cap lock) [20:35] agateau: pingly [20:35] ScottK: Got a second? I can't get this damn DSOLinker stuff to work [20:35] agateau: i can haz source from QML demo @ UDS? [20:35] I often can't either, but will be glad to try to help. [20:35] ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/549612 [20:35] My rules are pretty straightforward [20:36] ^_^ [20:36] ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/549613/ <-- rules [20:36] Quintasan: You need to pass -lX11 to the linker. [20:36] You'll need to fiddle with the upstream build system to do this. [20:37] Oh god. [20:37] Quintasan: Is it CMake? [20:37] I hoped it would be solvable with chaning rules [20:37] ScottK: Yup [20:37] Quintasan: Look at scribus for an example of this with a CMake pacakge. [20:38] Quintasan: see i was right about the -l flag :P [20:39] shadeslayer: Well, I figured as much when getting Stepmania to compile but I hoped I would get away with chaning debian/rules instead of meddling with source [20:39] hahaha [20:39] never that easy :D [20:43] Sometimes it is. [20:43] But usually only with older packages that use long form debian/rules. [20:45] ScottK: Why they did change that anyways? IMO it creates much more confusion than benefits [20:45] Quintasan: In the long run it will lead to fewer unneeded dependencies and better performance. [20:46] Everytime we do something like this it's painful at first, then it's annoying, then it's normal. [20:46] Awesome. Gotta get used to it. [20:46] urgh [20:46] like python 2.7 ^_^ [20:46] is defined in DSO /tmp/buildd/recorditnow-0.8.1/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/lib/librecorditnow_plugin.so [20:46] ScottK: linking to this is going to be hard I guess [20:47] that was to fix those dh_shlibdeps "dependency on X could be prevented if Y wouldn't be uselessy linked against it" right? [20:47] Quintasan: Probably, but once you've done a few it gets easier. [20:47] yofel: Yes. [20:48] ScottK: how do I link in CMake to those libs? There is probably no neat variable like ${X11_LIBRARIES} [20:49] * ScottK did that once. Now to see if I can remember what package it was. [20:50] Quintasan: It's in Scribus. See the kubuntu_06 patch. [20:50] ${X11_LIBRARIES} is exactly the one. [20:51] ScottK: ${X11_LIBRARIES} worked fine [20:51] now I get /usr/bin/ld: note: 'RecordItNowPlugin::staticMetaObject' is defined in DSO /tmp/buildd/recorditnow-0.8.1/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/lib/librecorditnow_plugin.so so try adding it to the linker command line [20:51] Quintasan: Also make sure you build-dep on libx11-dev since you link against it. [20:51] I'm not sure on that one. [20:53] Well, I'll ask around tomorrow. [20:54] that's probably at the wrong place in the linker command line, now figure out how to reorder that... [20:54] Good point. [20:55] yofel: find_package(RecordMyDesktop REQUIRED) [20:55] in CMakeLists.txt [20:56] I fear I know less about cmake than you do.. [20:56] and then in /cmake/modules we have a neat FindRecordMyDesktop.cmake [20:56] Though I have no idea how to edit it [21:02] ScottK: I thought about writing a module like that one in Scribus patch, however that might be a overkill [21:02] Quintasan: You shouldn't need it I don't think. [21:03] I suspect you just need to add a link command in the right spot. [21:04] shadeslayer looks like my gimp mood is back :D [21:04] \o/ [21:04] this means you can expect some cool stuff :D [21:04] wheeeee [21:05] * shadeslayer is still looking at QML with no idea where to start form [21:05] *from [21:05] stuff isnt working in qmlviewer im afraid [21:05] shadeslayer ask some plasma devs. They should know how to animate an svg [21:06] notmart probably knows how :P [21:07] shadeslayer: you just do not know what you do :P [21:07] * apachelogger notes that qtsvg probably does not support animated svg [21:07] apachelogger: whut? [21:07] or only simple one [21:07] oh [21:07] it only implements some tiny version of some svg standard [21:07] SVG [21:07] i have no idea on that [21:08] shadeslayer: no, the not knowing thing was directed at your qmlviewer not doing tings :P [21:08] thats why i said, talk to notmart [21:08] ah [21:08] in 9 out of 9 cases a disfunct qmlviewer is the result of PEBKAC [21:08] apachelogger: notmart confirmed its not working for him as well :P [21:09] then go talk to thiago [21:09] apachelogger: i open qmlviewer -> point it at a QML file -> white blank page [21:09] and a recommendation [21:10] mention that it might be socket related [21:10] yes? [21:10] ok [21:10] * apachelogger giggles in evil sort of manner [21:10] :D :D :D :D :D [21:10] * apachelogger giggles some more [21:10] * apachelogger forgot to breath and faints [21:11] apachelogger: 0_o [21:11] * shadeslayer smells something fishy [21:11] Quintasan's feet that is [21:12] * apachelogger pokes Nightrose [21:13] * Nightrose pokes apachelogger [21:13] * apachelogger cuddles the Nightrose [21:13] * Nightrose huggles apachelogger [21:13] \o/ [21:13] * apachelogger hugs shadeslayer [21:13] * shadeslayer hugs Quintasan and gives him a better linker [21:14] * Quintasan hits apachelogger with an invisible pink unicorn [21:14] Nightrose: a big GCI task might be coming your way [21:14] shadeslayer: Upload it to main :P [21:14] like [21:14] Quintasan: I NO HAVE UPLOAD RIGHTS [21:14] shadeslayer: ? [21:14] [coolface] [21:15] Problem, shadeslayer? [21:15] Nightrose: we are discussing about writing rekonq new tab page in QML :P === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 2011 same procedure as every year: 2 releases and many hugs | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Please test KDE in lucid-proposed LP: #691068 [21:15] shadeslayer: ah heh [21:15] shadeslayer: the proper sentence is "no upload right granted I have been" [21:15] but the only problem being .... needs insanse amounts of time [21:15] apachelogger: either is fine ^_^ [21:16] apachelogger: dude... qmlviewer is the broke [21:16] http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7.old/qmlviewer.html [21:16] Apparently apachelogger knows some sophisticated language [21:16] omg [21:16] shadeslayer: ^ [21:16] qmlviewer myqmlfile.qml << does not work [21:16] Everything counts! [21:16] >implying that QML will ever be any good [21:16] They are like bindings [21:16] Quintasan: its already good [21:16] oh [21:16] shadeslayer: worked last I tried it [21:16] They are good if they work. [21:16] well ... yes it s! [21:17] shadeslayer: what is the fil0r? [21:17] apachelogger: on the webbrowser example? [21:17] one sec [21:17] * apachelogger wonders what would happen if kubuntu had a baby with depeche mode [21:17] or even kubuntu2 based on darwin [21:17] apachelogger: /usr/lib/qt4/demos/declarative/webbrowser/ [21:17] apachelogger: >>Make bindings for 4.7 compile [21:17] Quote of the day [21:17] please ^^ [21:18] and amarok goes and adds QtScriptGenerator as a build dep [21:18] their compile system is shitz [21:18] Oh and that FTBFS too [21:18] qmake------------------------- [21:18] rofl [21:18] shadeslayer: works [21:18] What works? [21:18] qmake-- to the powa ∞ [21:19] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot131.png [21:19] apachelogger: you get a browser? [21:19] nokia [21:19] connecting people [21:19] only yesterday I had connection with someone [21:19] apachelogger: what file did you open? [21:19] Y U DO DIS [21:19] it looks like MAC [21:19] shadeslayer: the qml file? [21:19] apachelogger: which one!!! [21:19] there is only one [21:19] there is one QML file [21:19] and then there is a folder [21:20] with more QML files [21:20] * Quintasan is outta here, ppl designing apps to look like mac ones [21:20] the folder sez contents [21:20] obviously that is not what one starts [21:20] -.- [21:20] you do not start the plugins in /usr/lib/kde4 either, do you? [21:20] apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/KALCw.png [21:20] everything counts! [21:21] oh [21:21] file:///Work/webbrowser/webbrowser.qml:43:1: module "QtWebKit" is not installed [21:21] 0_o [21:21] haha [21:21] shadeslayer http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2131/82709005.png http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/307/14892812.png http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2586/57574205.png [21:21] the natty effect [21:21] righ thtere [21:21] lol [21:21] shadeslayer if you could animate the clock :) [21:22] why would he not? [21:22] the hands just need to be separate object thingies [21:22] omg supreme QML awesomeness [21:22] apachelogger yeah :D [21:22] then one can easily rotate them [21:22] shadeslayer like? [21:23] like what apachelogger posted [21:23] shadeslayer no, my mocks [21:23] you are all totally confusing [21:23] ah [21:24] well ... theyre something that can be done without QML [21:24] HERP DERP RETARDED LINKER [21:24] I'm going to bed [21:24] School's back tomorrow :/ [21:25] dont you have better things to do Quintasan? [21:25] Like what? [21:25] study? [21:25] connect with people [21:25] or do qml things to shadeslayer [21:25] homework? [21:25] or do neon things to everyone [21:25] or dance and sing and cry [21:26] apachelogger: I'm already feeling affected by your madness by being connected to IC [21:26] IRC* [21:26] or learn to fight with a lightsaber [21:26] or to fly like a bird [21:26] apachelogger: thats something to do at UDS ... [21:26] fighting with lightsabres [21:26] that would be handy thing to be able to pull off [21:26] apachelogger: Neon things? Fix that damn QtScriptGenerator [21:26] shadeslayer: it was done [21:26] or has been done? [21:26] plasmapkg -l does not show anything with "blog" in the name... any idea about what the "microbloggin" plasmoid is named? [21:27] Quintasan: go make sweet love to my hand [21:27] markit: twitter [21:27] I think [21:27] yus [21:27] logic [21:27] apachelogger: argh! :( thanks [21:27] kde needs a micro blogging service [21:28] and call it sparkles [21:28] muhahaha [21:28] markit: dont mention it [21:28] apachelogger: hell no, I can only rip off your hand with axe [21:28] :P [21:28] Quintasan: and then make sweet love to it? [21:28] No, actually I planned to burn it. [21:28] oh [21:28] with plasma [21:28] that is utter useless [21:28] * apachelogger dds Quintasan [21:28] Really? [21:29] Have some pythons then [21:29] one never knows when one needs a Quintasan backup [21:29] Quintasan: that is spelled pyth0rns [21:29] * Quintasan throws pythons at apachelogger [21:29] pyth0rns are thrown as well [21:29] Quintasan: it is still spelled pyth0rns [21:29] * apachelogger does not care and place some javas in the way [21:29] Oh and while we are at throwing things [21:30] * Quintasan throws kdebindings at apachelogger [21:30] pyth0rns supposedly could live on javas [21:30] that is scary [21:30] You can't beat that [21:30] rofl [21:30] kdebindings? [21:30] easily [21:30] * apachelogger pulls out gtkmm [21:30] muhahahaha [21:30] * shadeslayer throws QML at apachelogger [21:30] PFFFFTHTHSHSHHTH [21:30] apachelogger: Have some qmake built using qmake [21:30] Logic [21:30] lawl [21:30] or pyth0rns interpreter written in pyth0rns [21:30] well [21:31] Quintasan: that would be supreme [21:31] Ultimate combo [21:31] qmake built with qmake [21:31] how does one get a compiler.... [21:31] shadeslayer: pyth0rns interpreter in pyth0rns? [21:31] * yofel remembers gentoo [21:31] pyth0rn in pyth0rn did not work out [21:31] Quintasan: that would mean the end of the world [21:31] they tried it [21:31] and realized pyth0rn is no good [21:31] building gcc implied gcc building itself several times.. [21:31] so they used a good language again [21:32] and the world was at peace again [21:32] Whatever, enjoy ur PyPy and kdebindings with PyPy bindings apachelogger [21:32] :> [21:32] * apachelogger smooches [21:32] apachelogger: got a project for you: rewrite bazaar in java [21:32] oh god [21:32] please no [21:32] I have enough stupid projects [21:32] lol [21:32] Y U JAVA IN MY BZR [21:32] wait no [21:32] or wait [21:32] why not? can't be worse than in pyth0rn [21:32] I can have nerdgasms the next 300 years [21:32] isnt bzr in python? [21:32] write bzr in git [21:33] Y U PYTHONS IN MY BZR [21:33] shadeslayer: that would be supreme lol [21:33] Quintasan: its already Pythonised [21:33] yofel: inorite [21:33] apachelogger: I assume you are planning to go to the next UDS [21:33] no [21:33] I am flying [21:33] lol k, so you will be there? [21:34] to hawai [21:34] * Quintasan found "Python" beer [21:34] to re-write bzr in git [21:34] yes [21:34] sekrit meeting with linus [21:34] oh [21:34] if noone will have bought it till then I'm going to bring one for u [21:34] and KDE in Java [21:34] I should not have told you that [21:34] darn [21:34] everyone pleae meet with an "accident" [21:34] * apachelogger does not have time to take care of that [21:34] sure [21:34] thanks, I appreciate it [21:34] * shadeslayer throws Java at Quintasan [21:35] * shadeslayer throws bzr at yofel [21:35] * shadeslayer git reverts sheytan [21:35] ouch [21:35] :O [21:35] this is horror [21:35] heavy... [21:35] * shadeslayer sudo rm -rf apachelogger [21:35] a blood bath [21:35] omg [21:35] also [21:35] * yofel throws anit-Stuttgart_21 beer at shadeslayer [21:35] s/anit/anti/ [21:35] sudo apt-get remove --purge shadeslayer Riddell valorie apachelogger [21:36] wait no [21:36] s/apachelogger/agateau [21:36] shadeslayer is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. [21:36] shadeslayer: no christmas presents for you this year [21:36] apachelogger: i wonder where these incidents are reported :> [21:36] sudo apt-get remove --purge santa [21:36] actually [21:37] they get reported to my trashbin [21:37] oh btw didnt you know? [21:37] no [21:37] i chrooted into your machine [21:37] yes [21:37] so [21:37] no [21:37] IM IN YOUR SYSTEMZ [21:37] yes [21:38] apachelogger: Kubuntu-2011 same procedure as every year : 2 releases and many bugs [21:38] :P [21:38] shadeslayer: all your slash proc are belong to me? [21:38] shadeslayer: uh [21:38] apachelogger: all your / belong to me [21:38] you are the first to get that ;) [21:39] * apachelogger is a sneaky topic writer ;) [21:39] you win 100 internets for that [21:39] also [21:40] that is 5 billion INR [21:40] aww .. no kubotu [21:40] Quintasan: are you UDS? [21:40] apachelogger: or just 5 Euros [21:40] yeah [21:40] and i thought rbelem was UDS [21:40] for that sort of money you get a house around here [21:40] oh .. wow .... Europe is cheap :P [21:41] yes [21:41] not like the US [21:41] i can probably buy the whole of Europe for 100 Euros [21:41] you only get a door knob or something [21:41] shadeslayer: europe got more houses than that^!! [21:42] ^_^ [21:42] well [21:42] so [21:42] the next phonon release will be called iguanos [21:42] discuss! [21:43] qrc:/browser/Browser.qml:43:1: module "Qt.labs.folderlistmodel" is not installed [21:43] whee [21:43] apachelogger: does it fix the sound? [21:43] in dragon, yes [21:43] thanks to fedora ;) [21:43] i dont care if its called "shadeslayer" [21:43] you lazy kubuntu folks do not contribute to phonon!!!!@ [21:43] i do care if it fixes amarok and sound [21:44] apachelogger: we try to fix Kubuntu [21:44] see that is why Fedora is broken [21:44] good luck with that [21:44] no [21:44] fedora is working awesome since I work on it [21:44] people work on KDE projects too much :P [21:44] omg you switched to fedora? [21:44] Y U NO LONGER A KUBUNTU DEV [21:45] TRAITOR [21:45] jealous you are [21:45] it is the way of the dark side! [21:45] quick someone take away upload rights from apachelogger before he uploads something with a dep on locusts [21:45] lolcode? [21:45] * yofel goes installing openSUSE while watching apachelogger getting ripped apart [21:46] * shadeslayer shoots BB gun in yofel's direction [21:47] * apachelogger notes that Nightrose has been running opensuse for weeks now [21:47] discuss! [21:47] -.- [21:47] lies! [21:47] well [21:47] give it 4 months [21:48] cause you're hot then youre cold [21:48] youre yes then youre no [21:48] ! [21:48] lol [21:48] opensuse are rupy overlords [21:48] why cant we be loved like openSuse [21:48] they haz websith made out of rupy [21:49] I tell you why [21:49] because we do not go out there [21:49] and tell them [21:49] maybe we should be using OBS in the first place [21:49] QVector them; [21:49] for example [21:49] shadeslayer does not have a blog [21:49] ... [21:49] for example [21:49] that just went over my head [21:50] OH [21:50] OHHH [21:50] apachelogger only blogs nerdgasms [21:50] yes [21:50] for example [21:50] yofel doesnt have a blog [21:50] i have to make a blog [21:50] plz2suggest domain name [21:50] for example Nightrose does not go to conferences and does talks on how awesome opensuse is [21:50] ehm [21:50] kubuntu [21:50] i haz to blog about QGraphicsWebView [21:50] for example [21:50] hey, I barely find stuff to put on identi.ca, forget a blog ^^ [21:50] and get it to planetkde [21:50] kubuntu2 is not yet there [21:50] and we need it [21:50] and then achieve world domination [21:51] yofel: you need to make stuff up [21:51] yofel: without actually doing anything [21:51] one day I want us to own all the planet! [21:51] yofel: just do : git clone apachelogger [21:51] coordinated planet attack [21:51] and voila [21:51] XD [21:51] shadeslayer: --mirror [21:52] that reminds me [21:52] yofel: throw in some heavy words like QML and QGS and QGV and QGraphicsWebView and your done [21:52] * apachelogger wanders off to fix0r the branchery [21:52] shadeslayer, i was at uds :-) [21:52] !!! [21:52] rbelem: thats why!!! [21:53] hum??? [21:53] nvm [21:54] nev0r mend [21:54] shadeslayer, i did not read the log, i'm a little bit lazy :-) what were you talk about? [21:54] push push push [21:54] * apachelogger hugs rbelem [21:54] I want to set something globally, and I can put a config file in /etc/kde4, that corresponds to ~/.kde/share/config/ for each user. But what if I want to set globally a file that, in a home, would be in ~/.kde/share/apps/app_name? [21:55] omg omg [21:55] rbelem: a little bit?!?!? :O [21:55] Quintasan: yofel http://gitorious.org/build-tool/kde-trunk-recipe [21:55] wah? [21:55] \o. [21:55] \o/ [21:55] \o/ [21:55] \o/ [21:55] \o/ [21:55] apachelogger, :-D [21:55] * rbelem hugs apachelogger back [21:56] markit: I do not think that is possible [21:56] markit: a strace will tell [21:56] apachelogger: I'm not that "guru" [21:56] I have that "/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js" loads "twitter", and I want it not to do [21:57] but if I change such a file, next update of kde will revert it back [21:57] strace -f -o log somekdeapp [21:57] then quit the app and take a look at the log file [21:57] so I need a global way to set it [21:57] grep -it for apps/appname [21:57] for example [21:57] hm [21:57] oh [21:57] possibly I will be eating cia for kde in a bit [21:58] what do you mean? (I'm not native english speaker) [21:58] markit: mean by what exactly? [21:59] what does " will be eating cia for kde in a bit" mean? [21:59] lol [22:00] markit: cia = cia.vc and kde is well ... KDE :P [22:00] or maybe he means CIA [22:00] * markit googling for cia.vc [22:00] ah, CIA ok [22:00] which would become ....erm ... rather .... messy [22:00] so he means that will investigate this stuff or not? [22:00] apachelogger: clarify!!! [22:01] lol [22:01] lol [22:01] I mean CIA [22:01] apachelogger->setClarifymode(true); [22:01] segfault [22:01] ok, so you are trying to figure out? [22:01] apachelogger: you are buggy [22:01] * markit lost in the conversation [22:01] i need to fix0r you [22:01] you are calling nonexistant functions!~!!! [22:02] also if you fix me I end up with funny layout [22:02] * apachelogger does not want that [22:02] rofl [22:02] my layout works now! [22:02] a bit of a hack tho [22:02] anyhow lets help markit [22:02] markit: so you want to remove the plasmoid? [22:03] shadeslayer: yes, I want students have the clean desktop without that distracting plasmoid :) [22:03] (a ltsp-kubuntu based installation for a school) [22:03] I've had so far a very hard time find config by config how to set globally things the way I need [22:04] and I've only 2 big missing point at the moment [22:04] hmm [22:04] one is the "twitter" plasmoid [22:04] markit: maybe you should just ditch kubuntu-default-setitngs? [22:04] and create your own? [22:04] the other is limit the user to just "logout" (not hybernate, switch user, lock, etc) [22:04] apachelogger: ENOTUSERFRIENDLY [22:04] yeah, but admin friendly [22:04] that [22:04] that is what the whole system is made for [22:05] true [22:05] apachelogger: probably each time I update, kubuntu-default-setitngs are restored... I've put my global settings in /etc/kde4 so far [22:05] one could also cascade on the kubuntu-default-settings ;) [22:05] cascade? [22:05] markit: well, not if you remove the package [22:05] shadeslayer: yes [22:05] oh, there is a package? wow [22:05] markit: lol :P [22:06] shadeslayer: lol! :P [22:06] a bit drastic... [22:06] markit: http://techbase.kde.org/SysAdmin/Kiosk/Introduction [22:07] apachelogger: thanks, I've read it [22:07] oh, wlel then you should know how ot casecade ontop of kubuntu-default-settings ;) [22:07] in fact, as I said, I'm acting in /etc/kde4 [22:07] yeah, but that is not very suitable [22:07] but this time is not a usual setting [22:07] you could just create a new profile and stack that ontop of kubuntu-default-settings [22:07] that way you also solve the problem with share/apps [22:08] as profiles can have that, whereas /etc apparently cannot [22:08] [22:54] I want to set something globally, and I can put a config file in /etc/kde4, that corresponds to ~/.kde/share/config/ for each user. But what if I want to set globally a file that, in a home, would be in ~/.kde/share/apps/app_name? [22:08] markit: take a look at /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile [22:08] omg [22:08] i just realized something [22:08] you can put *everything* you can put in .kde also in a kiosk profile [22:08] apachelogger: i did not send you the user profile thingy :P [22:08] apachelogger: ok, thanks a lot [22:08] shadeslayer: I no [22:09] ok good [22:09] because i lost it somewhere [22:09] shadeslayer: only martin and scott did IIRC [22:09] shadeslayer: please write again [22:09] aww [22:09] the only reason I did not yet rant about that is because more important things are on my todo [22:09] apachelogger: fix rekonq or wirte user profile [22:09] like a bazillion of them [22:09] but eventually [22:09] ... [22:09] anyhow ... i need to sleep [22:10] and to think of a wp domain name [22:10] last question, since you are so kind and know a lot... I want to not have the user have the "lock", "switch user" "hybernate" stuff in K menu... any config for that? [22:10] markit: probably no [22:10] shadeslayer: is really a problem in multiuser... ltsp for instance [22:10] i suppose if you dont give the users sudo access they cant do it [22:11] but im not sure on this [22:11] hybernate works even if not sudo [22:11] hmm...no idea on that [22:11] I had to modify a script so this capability is not detected, but is an hack and each update reverts things back [22:11] but iirc ... removing sudo removes some stuff [22:12] markit: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=901642 [22:13] markit: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SuspendHowto [22:13] the /etc/default/acpi-support did not worked last time I tried [22:14] oh oh [22:14] theres a dbus interface for it [22:14] lets see [22:14] I had to edit /usr/bin/pm-is-supported and add exit 1 on top [22:15] I've the fear KDE in general, or in kubuntu in particular, is focusing more and more in "single user", killing the best feature in GNU/Linux, that is solid multiuser support [22:15] hope I'm wrong [22:16] but trying to setup ltsp has been so far really frustrating on this regard [22:16] markit: check qdbus and org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.Inhibit [22:18] aha! [22:18] mm seems that disables AUTOMATIC hybernation, not the possibility to hybernate [22:18] markit: http://paste.kde.org/1695 [22:18] markit: what about method bool org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanHibernate() [22:19] how can I set it by bash and have it permanent? I'm not a kde developer (unfortunatly) [22:20] hmm [22:22] * apachelogger just had a good flood session with CIA :D [22:22] apachelogger: is dbus-send the preferred method for this? [22:22] it was awesome [22:22] pino will kill me [22:22] :S [22:22] shadeslayer: qdbus [22:22] shadeslayer: for what? [22:22] apachelogger: he should [22:22] apachelogger: disabling hibernate [22:23] qdbus [22:23] from where? a script? [22:23] apachelogger: qdbus org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.Inhibit /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement/Inhibit org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanHibernate [22:23] bash [22:23] how do we set it to false [22:23] well, depends on the script and its usage but generally qdbus [22:23] well, I would love to have it set permanently disabled [22:23] as dbus-send is a PITA to use [22:23] not disable "on the fly" [22:23] shadeslayer: you cannot? [22:23] yes, but i cant get : qdbus org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.Inhibit /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement/Inhibit org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanHibernate 'false' : to wrok [22:23] that is a getter [22:24] as inidcated by the () [22:24] if you could set something it woudl be (bool state) or somesuch [22:25] qdbus org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.Inhibit /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement/Inhibit org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanSuspendChanged (bool false) [22:25] zsh: unknown file attribute [22:25] dude [22:25] srsly [22:25] loose the () [22:25] and the bool [22:26] still same thing [22:26] well [22:26] from the sounds of it is a signal [22:26] ... [22:26] erm ... apparently yes [22:26] doh [22:26] there's a method [22:26] can i use that? [22:27] wah? [22:27] apachelogger: method bool org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanHibernate() [22:28] omg ive lost qdbus output [22:28] dude [22:28] read the name [22:28] canHibernate [22:28] and returns a bool [22:28] now what could this be :P [22:29] checking whether or not it can hibernate [22:29] well then [22:29] no idea [22:29] could be done by dbus-send ... no idea tho [22:29] don't you agree that some development should be done to ease life for multiuser environment? :) [22:29] like? [22:30] like be able to control these aspects [22:30] with global settings [22:30] what aspects? [22:30] sheytan: can you post those mockups to the mailing list? :) [22:30] sheytan: rekonq AT kde DOT org [22:30] hybernate, lock, change user [22:30] what about them? [22:30] shadeslayer do i have to subscribe? [22:30] yes ... [22:31] sheytan: how do we get back to you then! :P [22:31] its low traffic [22:31] apachelogger: default ltsp with kubuntu setup, every student, even if not belonging to sudo, can hybernate the server [22:31] shadeslayer ok, will tomorrow :) [22:31] sheytan: sure ... thanks! [22:31] each student can lock or login with different user [22:31] etc [22:31] in short, is an hell [22:32] i found something :P [22:32] markit: http://i.imgur.com/jOMyu.png [22:32] and is really hard to set thing globally... I've spent really a lot of time [22:32] shadeslayer: is ONLY for reboot, not hybernate [22:33] yeah .. trying to find somthing for hibernate [22:33] shadeslayer: also should be extended to let specify an user, not only root [22:33] i.e. remote: teacher [22:33] markit: that would have to blamed on KDE upstream [22:33] shadeslayer: I'm not "blaming", just politely arguing [22:34] since often developers take it "personal" and say is not important, instead of face the problem [22:34] so since you have been so kind to try to figure out how to solve, and found is not easy / possible, sure will back me on this :) [22:35] markit: well, if I am not mistaken switching should be controllable via consolekit [22:36] hibernate via hal most likely [22:36] apachelogger: I would be very happy just removing the possibility from K menu [22:36] hibernate is via pm-utils which is hal ... [22:36] markit: you could still hibernate from shell [22:36] shadeslayer: I need acpid [22:37] apachelogger: yes, but the possibility that a student hits the menu item is much higher [22:37] markit: you can configure hal to your liking by adding profiles or whatever they call it [22:37] markit: yeah, but if deactivated or locked to root in hal, then it is absolutely impossible for a student to do it [22:37] which I would deem saver [22:38] I'll try to setup a edubuntu and see if they have the same issues, and if they don't, I will try to file a request in kde bug tracker [22:38] I do love kde, that's why I'm trying to use it with ltsp, but I'm really in troubles so far [22:39] thanks a lot for your help and suggestions! [22:39] sorry we couldnt help out :( [22:39] markit: kde has ltsp integration problems [22:39] well, kde 3 had some supporting stuff [22:40] sadly currently no one has an interst in working on it [22:40] apachelogger: in #ltsp they suggested me to give up kde in fact... [22:40] and business interst also seems low [22:40] markit: that is currious [22:40] well that you can do one thing [22:40] give up kde and ltsp [22:40] since they all use gnome [22:40] usually I get asked to do LTSP stuff in KDE at least twice a year ^^ [22:40] dude [22:40] DUDE [22:40] whut? [22:40] install gdm instead of kdm [22:40] and no hibernate or reboot etc [22:41] inside kmenu :P [22:41] since it does not support it [22:41] oh [22:41] true [22:41] REALLY? [22:41] shadeslayer: just exchange the login manager :P [22:41] its a workaround :P [22:41] eh [22:41] apachelogger: yeaj [22:41] markit: ^ [22:41] well [22:41] that will only work until 11.04 [22:41] right [22:41] I think someone did integrate support for it [22:41] that's no dm i think [22:41] 11.04 is going to kill X-Window, so I will abandon kubuntu anyway [22:42] shadeslayer: no, someone did work on making KDM interoperate with gnome [22:42] ah [22:42] no idea if the same applies vice versa [22:42] apachelogger: iirc its not fixed in 4.6 [22:42] I certainly told the guy to look into that too ^^ [22:42] in any case, the ltsp stuff is very important for schools...is so sad is not considered much in KDE [22:42] well [22:42] markit: considering is not the problem, finding time and interest is [22:42] now with "fat clients" support is even better [22:42] apachelogger: its going to break again [22:43] since KDM will move to plasma tech [22:43] shadeslayer: most certainly, canonical is redoing gdm :P [22:43] apachelogger: lolwat [22:43] plasma does not influence the backend works of KDM [22:43] theyre re-doing gdm too @_@ [22:43] well [22:43] I figure [22:43] since they redo everything [22:43] just make your own DE for christs sake [22:43] yeah [22:43] they will also go after gdm at some point [22:43] as it uses a legacy gnome sessoin [22:43] yep [22:44] exchanging that with unity tech would seem sensible [22:44] markit: so basically just install gdm and you will be fine for now :P [22:44] shadeslayer: I'll try tomorrow, thanks again [22:44] bye [22:44] and thanks for the work on KDE :) [22:44] no problem :) [22:45] ah well [22:45] oh boi [22:45] apachelogger: im sleeping [22:45] its 4AM [22:45] cya [22:45] I can see that [22:45] that is why you are typing [22:45] clearly you are sleeping [22:45] :P [22:46] s/im sleeping/im going to sleep [22:46] night all [22:46] nini