[00:27] <penguin42> when debugging applets, if I remove the applet from the panel, install a new package and readd the applet it still seems to be mapping the old (deleted) .so - is ther some way to force the panel to clear out it's cache of mapped widgets?
[00:47] <Riddell> penguin42: probably restarting plasma-desktop is the easiest way
[00:47] <Riddell> but better to ask development questions on #plasma for plasma
[00:48] <penguin42> ah ok
[00:48] <penguin42> thanks; it's actually very minimally plasma - I'm prodding in the device notifier and most of the stuff I'm doing is it's interaction with Solid
[01:58]  * claydoh missed the parties as usual , but hopes everyone has a great New Year!!
[02:12] <valorie> back from the cabin - happy new year, everyone!
[02:16] <claydoh> same to you valorie :)
[02:17]  * claydoh had to work last night, you wouldn't believe how many people were NOT drinking, but eating instead - I was still @ werk past midnight :(
[02:18] <valorie> we eat *and* drink
[02:18]  * valorie had a touch too much alcohol, and not nearly enough sleep
[02:20] <claydoh> I wonder what everyone would have done - we were the only restaurant open past 8 pm, fast-food or regular, in that end of town
[02:21] <valorie> eldest son made some roasted-beet salad
[02:21] <valorie> it was really excellent
[02:21] <claydoh> if we were closed lots wouyd have gone hungry
[02:21] <valorie> people can cook!
[02:21] <valorie> at least I hope so
[02:22] <claydoh> right!
[02:22] <claydoh> i'd be out of work then :)
[02:22] <valorie> lol
[02:22] <valorie> we like going up to the cabin because there is no driving in the dangerous hours
[02:22] <valorie> an anyone drunk is going to be sleeping there anyway......
[02:22] <claydoh> smart
[02:23] <valorie> I've been having that party since I was 15
[02:23] <valorie> which was a long time ago!
[02:25] <claydoh> i  somehow have managed to go 10 years without booze, never was a big drinker got that out of my system mostly before I turned 18
[02:25] <claydoh> which was also a long time ago
[02:25]  * claydoh likes that sort of fun tradition
[02:27] <valorie> I can take it or leave it
[02:27] <valorie> however, drinking moderately is fun sometimes
[02:27] <claydoh> yes, in moderstion
[02:28] <claydoh> I traditionally work on xmas eve/new years eve/ thanksgiving eve as he is so boring lol
[02:29] <claydoh> err I am so boring rather
[02:32] <valorie> lol
[02:32] <valorie> well, my mother was an alcoholic, so I know the dangers
[02:32] <valorie> and prefer to stay well this side of them
[03:32]  * apachelogger sings a song
[03:32] <apachelogger> rbelem: if only it was written in a sensible language
[03:32] <apachelogger> like java
[03:32] <apachelogger> oh java
[03:32] <apachelogger> <3
[03:34] <JontheEchidna> you wish wifi was written in java?
[03:34] <JontheEchidna> :P
[03:39] <rbelem> apachelogger, hahaah
[03:39] <rbelem> never!
[03:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes
[03:42] <apachelogger> java is the key to world peace
[03:45] <rbelem> apachelogger, every java code you write, a little rabbit die :-(
[03:47] <valorie> oh, killing baby bunnies
[03:47] <valorie> not good!
[06:38] <unhunkyguy> Hi! Anyone know how to do about testing Kubuntu on a netbook?
[06:39] <valorie> is this what you mean? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook/HardwareTesting
[06:39] <unhunkyguy> yes it is
[08:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Maemo SDK is *huge*
[09:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: poke poke
[10:01] <shadeslayer> omg omg omg
[10:01] <shadeslayer> http://i.imgur.com/AyNzk.png
[10:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger ^^
[10:15] <valorie> happy new year, shadeslayer
[10:15] <shadeslayer> valorie: same to you too! :D
[10:16] <valorie> thanks!
[10:16] <valorie> did you have a fun celebration?
[10:16] <valorie> I am so glad to leave 2010 behind
[10:43] <skfin> Happy new year valorie & shadeslayer :P
[10:43] <shadeslayer> skfin: same to you :)
[10:43] <shadeslayer> valorie: well ... i celebrated earlier in the day and was looking at Qt API at ~0000 hours
[10:44] <apachelogger> rbelem: omg, that is a lie!!!!
[10:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: plz2help 
[10:45] <valorie> happy new year skfin!
[10:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wat do I help?
[10:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 1) how do you get apps into ovi store?
[10:45]  * apachelogger has little time as he needs to prepare for a sekrit meeting in about 2 hours
[10:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I have no idea
[10:46] <shadeslayer> zomg sekrit meeting
[10:46] <shadeslayer> anyhow
[10:46] <apachelogger> you sign up
[10:46] <apachelogger> and upload
[10:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any fees?
[10:46] <apachelogger> I suppose
[10:46] <apachelogger> dunno
[10:46] <apachelogger> possibly
[10:46] <apachelogger> possibly not
[10:46] <apachelogger> time will tell
[10:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how do i add a QWebViewLayout and a QLineEdit to a QGraphicsLinearLayout
[10:46] <shadeslayer> i cant seem to be able to do that  :(
[10:46] <apachelogger> only a true jedi will know when the time is right and things will unveil in front of us
[10:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and did you see this : http://i.imgur.com/AyNzk.png
[10:47] <apachelogger> my dear shadeslayer
[10:47] <apachelogger> please read about qgraphiscscene and qgraphisview
[10:47] <shadeslayer> another issue being .. my QGraphicsWebView does not resize :P
[10:48] <apachelogger> after that you will see why this does not work and also whole to solve this, though it is questionable whether one wants to solve this
[10:48] <apachelogger> my dear shadeslayer
[10:48] <apachelogger> please also read about layouting in Qt
[10:48] <apachelogger> after that you will see why it does not resize
[10:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude .. thats why im trying QGraphicsLinearLayout
[10:49] <apachelogger> but what do you align is it that I ask of you
[10:50] <shadeslayer> whut?
[10:50] <apachelogger> read about qgraphiscview and scene
[10:51] <shadeslayer> ok
[10:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i just want my QLineEdit and my QGraphicsWebView to be resized with the window resize
[10:51] <shadeslayer> i just hope thats possible
[10:51] <valorie> apachelogger: have you been circling the Earth in your spaceship?
[10:52] <valorie> you sound very Yoda-like
[11:15] <apachelogger> valorie: time I have travelled, but not the earth
[11:16] <apachelogger> only when you have seen three morning after a night without sleep you will see the true teachings of the jedi
[11:18] <valorie> I would be seeing the inside of the insane asylum about then
[11:19] <apachelogger> only those who give in to their feelings will walk this path, for it is the ways of the darkness that lead to insanity
[11:38] <apachelogger> git audit fails \o/
[11:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, template for sysadmin request on git migration: http://paste.kde.org/1659/ ;)
[11:39]  * apachelogger should add that to techbase
[11:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so i sort of figured out stuff
[11:46] <shadeslayer> i can use a QGraphicsWidget to add a QLineEdit to a QGraphicsLinearLayout
[11:46] <shadeslayer> whew
[11:47] <apachelogger> oh
[11:47] <apachelogger> you did not read enough it would appear :P
[11:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you really need to do that?
[11:47] <apachelogger> because you certainly do not want to do that unless you need to
[11:47] <apachelogger> and I have a feeling you do not need to
[11:47] <shadeslayer> well i just want my fscking urlbar and webview to resize
[11:47] <shadeslayer> when i resize my main window
[11:47] <shadeslayer> :S
[11:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/jEgQ1eGw
[11:48] <shadeslayer> my weird code
[11:48] <apachelogger> plz do not use the shitbin
[11:48]  * apachelogger has to edit stupid bot protection stuff
[11:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/1660
[11:48] <shadeslayer> better? :D
[11:49] <apachelogger> one day one will have to upload nakkid pictures so the services can be sure one is actually human
[11:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah
[11:49] <apachelogger> see
[11:49] <shadeslayer> lol
[11:49] <apachelogger> I suggest you to read something
[11:49] <apachelogger> but you dont
[11:49] <apachelogger> because if you did you would absolutely know what to do
[11:49]  * shadeslayer is all sorts of confused between a QGV and a QGS
[11:49] <apachelogger> your qgraphicsview, being a qwidgets is contained within a qwidget
[11:49] <apachelogger> in particular that qwidget is a qmainwindow
[11:50] <apachelogger> 1. qmainwindows require a central widget to be set
[11:50] <apachelogger> 2. that central widget can then contain a layout
[11:50] <apachelogger> 3. that layout can contain multiple other widgets
[11:50] <apachelogger> so
[11:50] <apachelogger> we have qgraphisview
[11:50] <shadeslayer> omg omg omg
[11:50] <apachelogger> which is a qwidget
[11:50] <apachelogger> and you want to add qlineedit
[11:50] <apachelogger> which is also a qwidget
[11:50] <shadeslayer> yus !!!
[11:50] <apachelogger> and you have a qwidget that will and must contain both
[11:51] <apachelogger> now how would one achieve that :P
[11:51] <apachelogger> also
[11:51] <apachelogger> the golden rule of Qwidgets
[11:51] <apachelogger> everything
[11:51] <apachelogger> must
[11:51] <apachelogger> always
[11:51] <apachelogger> have
[11:51] <apachelogger> a layout
[11:51] <shadeslayer> :)
[11:51] <apachelogger> when you create a qgraphisview you should already have a layout and immediately after allocation add the view to the layout
[11:52] <apachelogger> otherwise you get funky messed up uis like the snapshots you posted earlier
[11:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: your member naming policy is a bit weird too
[11:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oic
[11:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh ... i know i should use m_ 
[11:53] <apachelogger> for example :P
[11:53] <shadeslayer> ill be changing that once ive fixed my layout etc
[11:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/1661/
[11:54] <apachelogger> there are other means to differe them from local vars ;)
[11:54] <shadeslayer> yep
[11:54] <shadeslayer> i shall fix them after i fix layouts
[11:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: your license header has newline problems ;)
[11:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where?
[11:55] <apachelogger> underneith your copyright
[11:55] <shadeslayer> oh ... 
[11:55] <shadeslayer> right ... no new line after the license
[11:56] <shadeslayer> fixed :)
[11:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so its possible that when i resize my mainwindow my webview is also resized?
[11:58] <shadeslayer> just a yes or no please :P
[11:58] <apachelogger> omg!
[11:58] <apachelogger> oh my god
[11:58] <shadeslayer> hmm?
[11:58] <apachelogger> I could do a concert in madison square garden with my blog
[11:58] <apachelogger> perform 3 times
[11:58] <apachelogger> so many visitors I had in 2010 :D
[11:59] <apachelogger> also
[11:59] <apachelogger> fluffy
[11:59] <apachelogger> is
[11:59] <apachelogger> the top search
[11:59] <shadeslayer> dead?
[11:59] <shadeslayer> oh
[11:59] <shadeslayer> :P
[11:59] <apachelogger> not even ubuntu one kde managed to beat it
[11:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: !!!
[11:59] <apachelogger> fluffy
[11:59] <shadeslayer> lol
[11:59] <apachelogger> :O
[11:59] <apachelogger> in particular...
[11:59] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Y U NO DO DIS? http://code.google.com/p/qtscriptgenerator/
[11:59] <apachelogger> fluffy is number one
[11:59] <apachelogger> then is kubuntu is not ubuntu
[12:00] <apachelogger> then an inconvenient truth
[12:00] <apachelogger> and only then ubuntu one kde
[12:00] <apachelogger> hahahaha
[12:00] <apachelogger> :D
[12:00] <apachelogger> pwnd
[12:00] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: im busy with other stuff atm .... will looksie :)
[12:00] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: it's a quick work
[12:00] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: apachelogger is harrasing me :P
[12:00] <Quintasan> I can't do this due to loldisk failure
[12:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the ways of resizing are a mystery
[12:00] <Nightrose> apachelogger: !!!
[12:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: only those who understand the ways of Qt will understand its resizing
[12:01] <Quintasan> kernel guys and internets claim it's my hdd dying but windows works just fine :/
[12:01] <shadeslayer> yeah
[12:01] <apachelogger> Nightrose: fluffy is the awesumest
[12:01] <Nightrose> :D
[12:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: you'lll have a full house at fosdem ;-)
[12:02]  * apachelogger ponders blogging those stats
[12:02] <apachelogger> rather intersting
[12:02] <Nightrose> do it
[12:03] <Quintasan> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
[12:04] <Quintasan> How the hell can my drive be dying after a year
[12:08] <Riddell> happy new year all
[12:08] <yofel> happy new year Riddell
[12:08] <yofel> Quintasan: checked smart data?
[12:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i fail to understand how im supposed to do it
[12:10] <Quintasan> checking
[12:10] <shadeslayer> :(
[12:10] <Quintasan> yofel: I'm running long self-assessment test now
[12:10] <Quintasan> yofel: the short one passed without any problems
[12:10] <apachelogger> because you refuse to read what I tell you to read
[12:11] <apachelogger> happy new year Riddell
[12:11] <Quintasan> yofel: there is something in error log but I don't know what it means :/
[12:11] <shadeslayer> i did read QGV and QGS
[12:11] <apachelogger> I told you more
[12:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: happy new year ... once again :D
[12:11] <yofel> hm, I've seen apps complaining about the weirdest smart values though
[12:11] <apachelogger> but you went like "ah I do not need to read that, know it all" :P
[12:11] <yofel> and our power management settings aren't very useful either :/
[12:11] <shadeslayer> lol
[12:11] <Quintasan> well, I'm sure I greeted everyone but
[12:11] <Quintasan> Happy New Year everyone :D
[12:12] <valorie> happy new year, Riddell, Quintasan
[12:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what do i need to read in particular about those 2 classes?
[12:14] <shadeslayer> ive read the description, how they work ... 
[12:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/1662
[12:20] <apachelogger> oh
[12:20] <apachelogger> my
[12:20] <apachelogger> fckn
[12:21] <apachelogger> butterfly
[12:21]  * apachelogger leaves now before he has to commit to the ways of RTFM and fall for the dark side of the force torturing people with lightning and whatnot
[13:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pokety poke http://paste.kde.org/1677
[13:22] <shadeslayer> it works now ... but cant input text :P
[13:22] <shadeslayer> clicking links work
[14:04] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: I've subscribed you to 3 bugs.
[14:17] <shadeslayer> w00t
[14:17] <shadeslayer> so just finished te demo browser
[14:18] <shadeslayer> http://bit.ly/hEhq7p
[14:18] <shadeslayer> thats from the browser i made
[14:18] <shadeslayer> http://bit.ly/dZCsgi 
[14:18] <shadeslayer> is from chromium
[14:18] <shadeslayer> \o/
[14:26] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: well, nothing surprising
[14:26] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: whai?
[14:26] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: your browser has less functions
[14:27] <shadeslayer> so?
[14:27] <Quintasan> so it's faster?
[14:27] <shadeslayer> pretty much does everything that chrome does
[14:27] <shadeslayer> except having tabs
[14:27] <Quintasan> incognito mode?
[14:27] <Quintasan> extensions
[14:27] <shadeslayer> by default
[14:27] <Quintasan> each tab as a sepearate process?
[14:27] <shadeslayer> doesnt save passwords et all :P
[14:27] <shadeslayer> no tabs
[14:28] <Quintasan> incognito mode by default?
[14:28] <shadeslayer> yep
[14:28] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: doesnt save your data anywhere
[14:28] <Quintasan> well, no wise IMO
[14:28] <Quintasan> not everyone is paranoid
[14:28] <Quintasan> :D
[14:28] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:28] <shadeslayer> welll
[14:28] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://gitweb.kde.org/scratch/garg/DemoWebViewBrowser.git
[14:28] <shadeslayer> go run tests
[14:28] <shadeslayer> and compile
[14:28] <Quintasan> Well, that might have sounded negative but I'm not implying that it is crap
[14:28] <shadeslayer> and compare to chrome
[14:29] <shadeslayer> 2 days of work ^_^
[14:29] <Quintasan> >implying I have chrome installed
[14:29] <shadeslayer> well
[14:29] <shadeslayer> FF
[14:29] <shadeslayer> or whatever you have
[14:29] <Quintasan> ...
[14:29] <Quintasan> >implying I use FF
[14:29] <shadeslayer> its faster than rekonq anyways
[14:29] <Quintasan> What am I, a masochist?
[14:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: do you even *use* a browser? :P
[14:29] <Quintasan> Opera
[14:29] <Quintasan> Opera >
[14:30] <shadeslayer>  well .. compare it to that then :)
[14:30] <shadeslayer> i wish we had v8 in qt-webkit
[14:30] <Quintasan> zsh: segmentation fault  ./QtDemoBrowser
[14:30] <Quintasan> lol
[14:30] <shadeslayer> lolwut
[14:31] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: backtrace plz
[14:31] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: and url's need to be in http:// format
[14:31] <Quintasan> oh
[14:32] <Quintasan> one feature less
[14:32] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:32] <Quintasan> and it crashed
[14:32] <shadeslayer> ill add that feature
[14:32] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: backtrace or it didnt happen
[14:33] <Quintasan> dunno how to generate one
[14:33] <Quintasan> gdb won't even start it
[14:33] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: gdb ./src/QtDemoBrowser
[14:33] <shadeslayer> in your build dir
[14:33] <shadeslayer> and then run
[14:33] <Quintasan> wow, are you serious?
[14:34] <Quintasan> god damn
[14:34] <Quintasan> moar debug libs?
[14:34] <Quintasan> go to hell
[14:34] <yofel> shadeslayer: feature request: make the QLineEdit or whatever you used KEEP the url after you press enter
[14:34] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:34] <shadeslayer> yofel: will do
[14:34] <yofel> hm wati
[14:34] <Quintasan> Did you package that qtscript stuff shadeslayer?
[14:34] <shadeslayer> patches welcome :
[14:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: no
[14:34] <shadeslayer> ill be back in another 15 misn
[14:35] <shadeslayer> and will start on that
[14:35] <Quintasan> great, building anything here is impossible due to (claimed) hdd failure
[14:35] <shadeslayer> lol ... its not working for me now
[14:35] <Quintasan> damn kernel team
[14:35] <Quintasan> "seems like a hardware failure to me"
[14:35] <yofel> shadeslayer: very interesting behaviour: enter URL -> press enter -> URL vanishes -> click somewhere else -> URL comes back
[14:35] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:35] <Quintasan> and windows works normally
[14:35] <shadeslayer> yofel: :P
[14:36] <shadeslayer> dunno why but i cant open a page
[14:36] <Quintasan> why the hell you are writing this shadeslayer?
[14:36] <yofel> and the scroll bars are messed up, I get 2 sets
[14:36] <Quintasan> we already have arora, konq, and rekonq
[14:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: easy fix for that
[14:37] <Quintasan> You'd better fix rekonq bugs instead of creating another browser
[14:37] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: its a demo browser using QGraphicsWebView
[14:37] <Quintasan> :P
[14:37] <shadeslayer> something rekonq will use in the coming days
[14:37] <shadeslayer> so i wanted to experiment with it
[14:37] <Quintasan> Isn't it better to test directly within rekonq?
[14:37] <yofel> shadeslayer: http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/qdemo.png
[14:38] <Quintasan> Who knows how different could be in rekonq?
[14:40] <yofel> this is funny, when I enter a new URL, pressing enter will put the old URL into the urlbar until I click somewhere else, and when I do that it'll go back to the page of the first input URL
[14:40] <yofel> odd 'Back' button...
[14:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: fixed here : http://i.imgur.com/jBnJi.png
[14:41] <yofel> better :D
[14:41] <shadeslayer> now i have to go
[14:41] <shadeslayer> cya
[14:42] <Quintasan> shadeslayer is almost as good as apachelogger in claiming he is busy
[14:43] <Quintasan> well, at least shadeslayer gets some thing done ;D
[14:54] <trichard> is there any way to find out what slows kwin down? On both of my systems compiz runs much smoother then kwin
[14:54] <trichard> i'd like to find out the cause of that :p
[14:54] <mgraesslin> trichard: give a try to 4.6
[14:55] <trichard> mgraesslin: how stable are the 4.6 RC packages for kubuntu?
[14:56] <mgraesslin> no idea about the packages, but I have been running 4.6 for ~two months now
[15:01] <trichard> cool, ubuntu-desktop needs to be uninstalled to install 4.6? :)
[15:16] <yofel> 4.6 works mostly fine here, I want the blur effect back though :/
[15:17] <trichard> yofel: did you install it from the beta packages?
[15:17] <yofel> yes
[15:18] <trichard> do you have gnome installed aswell?
[15:18] <yofel> only partially, what does it want to remove?
[15:19] <trichard> yofel: hmm strange, aptitude doesn't want to remove ubuntu-desktop
[15:20] <trichard> kpackagekit want to remove gnome-power-manager and ubuntu-desktop
[15:20] <trichard> and update-notifier
[15:20] <yofel> hm, I do have g-p-m installed here together with 4.6
[15:21] <trichard> yofel: must be a bug in KPackageKit then :s
[15:24] <Quintasan> wololololol
[15:25] <Quintasan> yofel: turns out that might be a problem with the HDD cables, not the drive itself
[15:25] <Quintasan> :S
[15:25] <yofel>  what's the error in the first place?
[15:25] <Quintasan> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/549551
[15:25] <yofel> I know I had a broken cable which caused ATA DRDY errors once
[15:26] <Quintasan> yofel: and after that the i/o is soooo slow that starting anything takes at least 10 seconds
[15:26] <Quintasan> and sometimes freezes the whole pc
[15:48] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:48] <shadeslayer> so
[15:48] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: what needs doing?
[16:57]  * apachelogger is out of cookies!
[16:57] <apachelogger> oh noes!
[16:57] <droidslayer> Ooooh
[16:57]  * ulysses eats cookies
[16:57] <droidslayer> That would be because I ate all of them
[16:58] <droidslayer> apachelogger: did you see my browser
[16:58] <apachelogger> I saw the code
[16:58] <droidslayer> Ok
[16:58] <droidslayer> And?
[16:59] <apachelogger> still wrong
[16:59] <droidslayer> ^_^
[17:03] <droidslayer> apachelogger: I don't know how to fix it anymore... patch
[17:04] <droidslayer> :-(
[17:04] <apachelogger> because you were not listening
[17:09] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: I pushed a rebased branch today, just in case you want to build a package ;-)
[17:12] <droidslayer> apachelogger: plz 2 fix 
[17:17] <droidslayer> apachelogger: I'm going to try and write the browser in QML next
[17:18] <droidslayer> It's already been written... ill just have a peek
[17:18] <Tm_T> someone likes to make konq-plugins to beta-repository with libkonq5 -> libkonq5a dependency change?
[17:27] <yofel> Tm_T: sure, I can upload it to beta
[17:46] <Tm_T> uhhoh, this is strange...
[17:57] <rbelem> apachelogger, :-D
[18:01] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: where?
[18:02] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: http://gitweb.kde.org/scratch/graesslin/kwin-gles.git
[18:02] <apachelogger> groovy
[18:02] <apachelogger> I'll package it tomorrow then :)
[18:02] <mgraesslin> awesome
[18:32] <shadeslayer_> interesting
[18:32] <shadeslayer_> my client isnt connecting
[18:33] <shadeslayer_> oh boi
[18:34]  * shadeslayer_ pokes jefferai
[18:45] <Tm_T> E: Build-Depends dependency for kdebase cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package kde-sc-dev-latest can satisfy version requirements
[18:45] <Tm_T> this with beta-ppa
[18:56] <yofel> Tm_T: try again in a few minutes
[18:57] <scnd101> I'm working on a plasma port of ambiance, any chance of getting that into kubuntu?
[18:58]  * apachelogger just sort of retired phonon-xine
[18:58]  * apachelogger feels a bit sad now
[18:58] <apachelogger> scnd101: not as default setting
[18:59] <apachelogger> could be on the CD though (given space is available)
[18:59] <scnd101> right, sounds good to me
[18:59] <scnd101> why is that though?
[18:59] <scnd101> all KDE distros seem to use air
[19:00] <rbelem> apachelogger, did you take a look at the plasma-mobile package? :-)
[19:00] <apachelogger> no
[19:00] <apachelogger> I am swamped!
[19:01] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:01]  * apachelogger is ike the most important phonon dev evar
[19:01] <apachelogger> I am retiring stuff instead of adding more
[19:01] <apachelogger> :P
[19:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: amarok crashes :P
[19:01] <Quintasan> >most impotant
[19:01] <Quintasan> >apachelogger
[19:01] <Quintasan> DOES NOT COMPUTE
[19:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is because amarok's enginecontroller is phony
[19:01] <Quintasan> :P
[19:01]  * apachelogger knows way too many code bases because of phonon :S
[19:01] <apachelogger> like kgoldrunner
[19:02] <apachelogger> which is insanely adictive if one is into that sort of thing
[19:02] <sheytan> apachelogger will phonon video kcm be a part of kde 4.6?
[19:02] <sheytan> it's on the todo list
[19:02]  * shadeslayer pokes sheytan to give him a spinner busywidget
[19:02] <sheytan> shadeslayer ? :D
[19:02] <shadeslayer> sheytan: please to make me a better spinner widget : http://i.imgur.com/ADFZB.png
[19:02] <shadeslayer> see those black fugly things
[19:03] <shadeslayer> make them look awesome
[19:03] <apachelogger> sheytan: no
[19:03] <sheytan> shadeslayer i will, but not today :)
[19:03] <shadeslayer> :(
[19:03] <apachelogger> sheytan: video capturing is not yet mature enough
[19:03] <shadeslayer> sheytan: any ideas?
[19:03] <sheytan> apachelogger is there a screenshot of it?
[19:03] <apachelogger> however it is on our todo for phonon 4.5 (aka spitfire)
[19:03] <apachelogger> sheytan: it does not yet exist to my knowledge
[19:03] <sheytan> oh
[19:03] <sheytan> well, good luck :)
[19:03] <sheytan> make phonon rule
[19:04] <shadeslayer> doesnt phono already rule?
[19:04] <sheytan> it does, but you know :D
[19:04] <sheytan> you can always do better :D
[19:04] <sheytan> shadeslayer must it be svg or raster?
[19:04] <yofel> make phonon shoot pulse and rule even more..
[19:04] <shadeslayer> sheytan: its a flippin GIF right now
[19:05] <sheytan> shadeslayer btw: the background for the thumbs looks bad :P
[19:05] <Tm_T> yofel: thanks <3
[19:05] <sheytan> integrating plasma theme in every app isn't a good idea
[19:05] <shadeslayer> sheytan: background?
[19:05] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:05] <sheytan> yes
[19:05] <shadeslayer> that
[19:05] <shadeslayer> well ... make a mockup and send it to our mailing list :P
[19:05] <sheytan> shadeslayer what about a whole mock of the star page? :)
[19:05] <sheytan> ahahha :D
[19:05] <shadeslayer> sheytan: sure
[19:05] <sheytan> you read my mind :D
[19:06] <shadeslayer> i was actually thinking of doing it in QML
[19:06] <sheytan> shadeslayer how much time  do i have?
[19:06] <shadeslayer> but apachelogger said NOOOOO
[19:06] <shadeslayer> sheytan: as much as you wan
[19:06] <sheytan> qml <3!
[19:06] <shadeslayer> *want
[19:06] <sheytan> ok
[19:06] <shadeslayer> sheytan: inorite
[19:06] <sheytan> why no qml?
[19:07] <apachelogger> qml is the suck :P
[19:07] <apachelogger> for video players
[19:07] <apachelogger> :P
[19:07] <apachelogger> nothing but trouble
[19:07] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:07]  * apachelogger needs to do something in that direction for qtmobilevlc
[19:07] <apachelogger> and then recycle that knowledge for phonon
[19:07] <apachelogger> though I think I know the architecture that is needed
[19:07] <apachelogger> just not the code specifics
[19:07] <sheytan> shouldn't qml be the cool stuff with animations? :P
[19:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so your participating in that competition?
[19:07] <apachelogger> will have to do opengl shader shit and whatnot
[19:07] <apachelogger> sheytan: no
[19:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[19:08] <shadeslayer> but QML is the awesum
[19:08] <shadeslayer> whai no QML <3
[19:08] <apachelogger> sheytan: you can have animations in regular Qt too
[19:08] <apachelogger> just a bit more work to implement
[19:08] <shadeslayer> see
[19:08] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:08] <apachelogger> anyhow, the main problem with making good looking uis is that they are not compatible with how performant video playback works on linux
[19:08] <sheytan> all this programming sucks :D
[19:08] <apachelogger> which is overlay painting, where the video backend essentially instructs the X server to draw the frames on some region on the screen
[19:09] <apachelogger> thus overlay
[19:09] <apachelogger> the thing is that you cannot overlay an overlay
[19:09]  * shadeslayer proceeds to add Kinetic Scrolling in his browser
[19:09] <apachelogger> well, not in any sensible manner
[19:17] <shadeslayer> wth is happening
[19:17] <shadeslayer> jefferai: something is wrong
[19:17] <shadeslayer> jefferai: im getting PM's
[19:17] <shadeslayer> and not just any PM's
[19:17] <shadeslayer> PM's with content from channels
[19:17] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:18] <yofel> wtf?
[19:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah
[19:18] <shadeslayer> like
[19:18] <shadeslayer> from #plasma, #Cyanogenmod and #kde-devel
[19:18] <shadeslayer> i just deleted them ... but if they occur again im going to do a imagebin
[19:26] <scnd101> apachelogger: where should I send the theme when it's done?
[19:27] <apachelogger> hm
[19:27]  * apachelogger wonders if upstream KDE has a theme package thing
[19:28] <apachelogger> scnd101: I'll look into it, might be a while until I know though :)
[19:28] <apachelogger> maybe shadeslayer has an idea
[19:28] <shadeslayer> about?
[19:28] <shadeslayer> oh
[19:28] <shadeslayer> theme packaging?
[19:28] <scnd101> apachelogger: theme package thing?
[19:28] <shadeslayer> no idea 
[19:28] <shadeslayer> well
[19:28] <shadeslayer> ask on #oxygen or #plasma :P
[19:29] <scnd101> btw, have a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/2YWuP.png
[19:31] <apachelogger> omg
[19:31] <apachelogger> it looks like ubuntu :D
[19:31] <scnd101> :D
[19:31] <apachelogger> very nice
[19:31] <scnd101> thanks
[19:35] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what do you use to make screencasts?
[19:36] <shadeslayer> scnd101: ETOOMUCHPURPLE :P
[19:37] <yofel> purple...
[19:37] <apachelogger> sheytan: vlc
[19:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: vlc
[19:37] <shadeslayer> oic
[19:37]  * yofel goes filing bug about grub being purple with no sane way to change it
[19:37] <apachelogger> sheytan: srsly you and shadeslayer need to fight over the nicks :P
[19:37] <scnd101> lol
[19:37] <apachelogger> there is no way I will ever type 3 characters for autocomplete
[19:37] <sheytan> you need type the whole name ;D
[19:37] <apachelogger> nevar!
[19:40] <sheytan> apachelogger evne if, there's a difference between our nicks. mine starts with she and shadeslayers with sha, so you can't replace e with a :D
[19:40] <sheytan> you type too fast :D
[19:40] <apachelogger> I type 2 characters and then autocomplete my way
[19:40] <apachelogger> always
[19:41] <sheytan> start with 3 characters :D
[19:41] <apachelogger> too much work
[19:41] <sheytan> if one of us will change the nick, no one will know who we are :D
[19:42] <apachelogger> isnt that thrilling?
[19:42] <apachelogger> you would be like a comjpletely new person
[19:42] <apachelogger> :D
[19:42] <sheyton> Fight!
[19:42] <sheytan> what for? :D
[19:43] <sheyton> NIckspace?
[19:44] <shadeslayer> lawl
[19:44] <sheytyl> nah, just trying to get a monotone world
[19:45] <apachelogger> hm
[19:45] <apachelogger> that was short fun
[19:47] <Tm_T> I'm really puzzled with some stuff in konq-plugins
[19:49] <shadeslayer> AHA
[19:50] <shadeslayer> recorditnow is the broke
[19:50] <shadeslayer> will fix
[19:51] <Quintasan> shadeslayer, sheytan, sheyton: Let's have everyone change their nicks to sh*
[19:51] <shadeslayer> yes!
[19:51] <Quintasan> so apachelogger has big problems
[19:51] <shadeslayer> just to annoy apachelogger
[19:53] <sheyton> on the upside tab completing everyone in the chan will be one leter away on the keyboard
[19:53] <yofel> ^^
[19:54] <Quintasan> Well, back to homework I guess
[19:54]  * Quintasan notes he should had done it before he even started working on project neon
[19:54] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: high time :P
[19:55] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: it never worked out, I always end up postponing it after the work :DD
[19:56] <ari-tczew> hehe
[19:56] <Quintasan> apachelogger: fix kubotu instead of doing some random things
[19:56]  * Quintasan hides under his desk
[20:00] <shadeslayer> so
[20:00] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: do you have multiverse upload rights?
[20:01] <yofel> shadeslayer: upload your new rekonq animation immediately :P (looks cool)
[20:01] <shadeslayer> yofel: :P
[20:01] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:01] <shadeslayer> did i show it here?
[20:01] <yofel> nope, #plasma
[20:01] <shadeslayer> well
[20:02] <shadeslayer> http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/screencast.ogv
[20:02] <shadeslayer> there ya go
[20:02] <shadeslayer> yofel: its a big UI change .. will need to discuss it first tho
[20:02] <shadeslayer> and the spinner isnt finished
[20:02] <shadeslayer> needs more rendering
[20:03] <sheytan> shadeslayer can you shoot a screenshot of rekonq for me?
[20:04] <shadeslayer> sheytan: look at the screencast?
[20:04] <shadeslayer> sheytan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/screencast.ogv <<
[20:04] <sheytan> shadeslayer, no no, this will look bad :P
[20:04] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:04] <sheytan> please make one for me ;D
[20:04] <shadeslayer> well ok 
[20:04] <shadeslayer> a static screenshot
[20:04] <sheytan> yep
[20:05] <shadeslayer> sheytan: http://i.imgur.com/MOfu8.png
[20:05] <scnd101> shadeslayer: no antialiasing?
[20:05] <sheytan> thanks :)
[20:05] <shadeslayer> scnd101: dunno 
[20:05] <scnd101> doesn't look like it :P
[20:06] <shadeslayer> *shrug*
[20:07] <scnd101> couldn't it just use the spinner from the plasma theme?
[20:08] <shadeslayer> that *is* the new spinner from the plsama theme :)
[20:09] <scnd101> the plasma theme one is using or just air? 
[20:10] <shadeslayer> dunno .. this is what notmart mailed me :P
[20:10] <scnd101> ok :P
[20:10] <scnd101> not really important 
[20:14] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: yes I do
[20:14] <Quintasan> What about it?
[20:15] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ok recorditnow needed a dependency change to new libpolkit
[20:15] <shadeslayer> im building it atm
[20:15] <shadeslayer> will send a debdiff when its done
[20:15] <Quintasan> Did you check for new upstream release?
[20:15] <shadeslayer> aww ... do i have to
[20:15] <Quintasan> would be wise
[20:15] <Quintasan> let me do it
[20:16] <shadeslayer> nothing in debian
[20:16] <Quintasan> nor in upstream
[20:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: PROTIP use diff -Nru debian/*
[20:17] <Quintasan> I don't give a damn about any binary changes
[20:17] <shadeslayer> yeah ... well ... whats the harm in debdiff
[20:17] <shadeslayer> ah
[20:17] <shadeslayer> see .. this is not a new release
[20:17] <shadeslayer> :>
[20:17] <shadeslayer> hey
[20:17] <shadeslayer> upstream has 0.8
[20:17] <Quintasan> >implying there won't be any crap stuffed in anyways
[20:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: no, they have 0.8.1
[20:17] <shadeslayer> Y YOU NO LOOK PROPERLY
[20:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/RecordItNow?content=114610
[20:18] <Quintasan> because I asked them to upload LICENSE etc.
[20:18] <shadeslayer> and ubuntu has 0.7
[20:18] <Quintasan> y u kiddin
[20:18] <Quintasan> lol
[20:18] <Quintasan> I have 0.8.1 source compiled now
[20:18] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/recorditnow
[20:18] <Quintasan> WTF
[20:18] <shadeslayer> lawl
[20:19] <shadeslayer> so the sources arent correct?
[20:19] <Quintasan> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/RecordItNow?content=114610 ?
[20:19] <Quintasan> lrn2read
[20:19] <Quintasan> it says 0.8.1 in the download link
[20:20] <Quintasan> and it is exactly beacuse I pestered them about the LICENSE file
[20:21] <shadeslayer> makes life easier for packagers (rename GPLV2 to COPYING, buildin joschy)
[20:21] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[20:22] <shadeslayer> well let me fix 0.7 then
[20:22] <Quintasan> >buildin joschy
[20:22] <Quintasan> isn't exactly a life saver
[20:22] <Quintasan> but whatever
[20:22] <Quintasan> test building
[20:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: make it dep on newer polkit
[20:23] <Quintasan> I did
[20:23] <shadeslayer> thats all 
[20:23] <shadeslayer> ok feel free to upload then :P
[20:23] <Quintasan> Like hell I will
[20:23] <shadeslayer> ill focus on QML + rekonq
[20:23] <Quintasan> QA comes first
[20:23] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[20:24] <Quintasan> Ya testin' mah MOTU mad skillz?
[20:24] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: [11426.128699] QtDemoBrowser[8374] general protection ip:7f573e59cbfe sp:7fff09528490 error:0 in libQtWebKit.so.4.8.0[7f573d5dd000+1571000]
[20:24] <Quintasan> lol gz
[20:25] <Quintasan> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
[20:25] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: /usr/bin/ld: note: 'XCreatePixmap' is defined in DSO /usr/lib64/libX11.so.6 so try adding it to the linker command line
[20:25] <Quintasan> /usr/lib64/libX11.so.6: could not read symbols: Invalid operation
[20:25] <Quintasan> how do we fix these?
[20:25] <markit> hi, hope not to be OT, but can't get answer in #kubuntu. I want set globally NOT to load microblog plasmoid (I'm installing a ltsp server), but can't find where to set it... any clue?
[20:26] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: pass custom linker flags to linker?
[20:26] <Quintasan> markit: I think kubuntu-default-settings is responsible for this
[20:26] <shadeslayer> using -l?
[20:26] <Quintasan> markit: You could uninstall this
[20:26] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: in rules or what?
[20:26] <shadeslayer> rules
[20:26] <Quintasan> yofel: ^^^
[20:26] <Quintasan> well, my rules for recorditnow are most complicated ones
[20:27] <shadeslayer> its probably -l ... i dont remember it for sure
[20:27] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[20:27] <Quintasan>  dh $@ --parallel --with kde
[20:27] <Quintasan> :D
[20:27] <shadeslayer> rofl
[20:27] <Daskreech> Quintasan: I love fudge
[20:27] <Quintasan> What the hell is fudge?
[20:27] <shadeslayer> so
[20:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: rekonq will have a interface like this : http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/demos-declarative-webbrowser.html
[20:27] <Daskreech> like hard chocolate brownies :)
[20:27] <shadeslayer> supreme
[20:28] <Quintasan> It looks like,errr GTK app?
[20:28] <yofel> Quintasan: rather ask Scott, I generally fail at understanding how to fix this http://wiki.debian.org/ToolChain/DSOLinking
[20:28] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: hard? isnt fudge liquid chocolate etc?
[20:28] <Quintasan>  /troll
[20:28] <Quintasan> yofel: Oh, great, damn you natty linke
[20:28] <Quintasan> linker*
[20:28] <Daskreech> shadeslayer: not the kind I like :) it's the melted version of the real fudge
[20:28] <shadeslayer> ah
[20:28] <markit> Quintasan: but what is the file with the config?
[20:28] <shadeslayer> gold linker--
[20:29] <Quintasan> markit: sorry, can't help you there, I didn't mess with this one
[20:29] <Quintasan> markit: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu
[20:29] <Quintasan> markit: this has our current default settings
[20:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger maybe can help you as he isn't busy
[20:30] <Quintasan> :)
[20:31] <apachelogger> https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/libs/liblikeback
[20:31] <Quintasan> @_@
[20:31] <Quintasan> another useless project of yours?
[20:31] <apachelogger> yes
[20:32] <Quintasan> Great!
[20:32] <Quintasan> Facebook fanpage?
[20:32] <Quintasan> Count me in
[20:33] <Quintasan> >UnderstandingDSOLinkChange
[20:33] <Quintasan> Like hell this is possible
[20:34] <shadeslayer> im going to have fun with QML and C++
[20:34] <Quintasan> ScottK: ping
[20:34] <ScottK> Quintasan: PONG
[20:34] <ScottK> (sorry for the cap lock)
[20:35] <shadeslayer> agateau: pingly
[20:35] <Quintasan> ScottK: Got a second? I can't get this damn DSOLinker stuff to work
[20:35] <shadeslayer> agateau: i can haz source from QML demo @ UDS?
[20:35] <ScottK> I often can't either, but will be glad to try to help.
[20:35] <Quintasan> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/549612
[20:35] <Quintasan> My rules are pretty straightforward
[20:36] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[20:36] <Quintasan> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/549613/ <-- rules
[20:36] <ScottK> Quintasan: You need to pass -lX11 to the linker.
[20:36] <ScottK> You'll need to fiddle with the upstream build system to do this.
[20:37] <Quintasan> Oh god.
[20:37] <ScottK> Quintasan: Is it CMake?
[20:37] <Quintasan> I hoped it would be solvable with chaning rules
[20:37] <Quintasan> ScottK: Yup
[20:37] <ScottK> Quintasan: Look at scribus for an example of this with a CMake pacakge.
[20:38] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: see i was right about the -l flag :P
[20:39] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Well, I figured as much when getting Stepmania to compile but I hoped I would get away with chaning debian/rules instead of meddling with source
[20:39] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[20:39] <shadeslayer> never that easy :D
[20:43] <ScottK> Sometimes it is.
[20:43] <ScottK> But usually only with older packages that use long form debian/rules.
[20:45] <Quintasan> ScottK: Why they did change that anyways? IMO it creates much more confusion than benefits
[20:45] <ScottK> Quintasan: In the long run it will lead to fewer unneeded dependencies and better performance.
[20:46] <ScottK> Everytime we do something like this it's painful at first, then it's annoying, then it's normal.
[20:46] <Quintasan> Awesome. Gotta get used to it.
[20:46] <Quintasan> urgh
[20:46] <shadeslayer> like python 2.7 ^_^
[20:46] <Quintasan> is defined in DSO /tmp/buildd/recorditnow-0.8.1/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/lib/librecorditnow_plugin.so
[20:46] <Quintasan> ScottK: linking to this is going to be hard I guess
[20:47] <yofel> that was to fix those dh_shlibdeps "dependency on X could be prevented if Y wouldn't be uselessy linked against it" right?
[20:47] <ScottK> Quintasan: Probably, but once you've done a few it gets easier.
[20:47] <ScottK> yofel: Yes.
[20:48] <Quintasan> ScottK: how do I link in CMake to those libs? There is probably no neat variable like ${X11_LIBRARIES}
[20:49]  * ScottK did that once.  Now to see if I can remember what package it was.
[20:50] <ScottK> Quintasan: It's in Scribus.  See the kubuntu_06 patch.
[20:50] <ScottK> ${X11_LIBRARIES} is exactly the one.
[20:51] <Quintasan> ScottK: ${X11_LIBRARIES} worked fine
[20:51] <Quintasan> now I get /usr/bin/ld: note: 'RecordItNowPlugin::staticMetaObject' is defined in DSO /tmp/buildd/recorditnow-0.8.1/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/lib/librecorditnow_plugin.so so try adding it to the linker command line
[20:51] <ScottK> Quintasan: Also make sure you build-dep on libx11-dev since you link against it.
[20:51] <ScottK> I'm not sure on that one.
[20:53] <Quintasan> Well, I'll ask around tomorrow.
[20:54] <yofel> that's probably at the wrong place in the linker command line, now figure out how to reorder that...
[20:54] <ScottK> Good point.
[20:55] <Quintasan> yofel: find_package(RecordMyDesktop REQUIRED)
[20:55] <Quintasan> in CMakeLists.txt
[20:56] <yofel> I fear I know less about cmake than you do..
[20:56] <Quintasan> and then in <source>/cmake/modules we have a neat FindRecordMyDesktop.cmake
[20:56] <Quintasan> Though I have no idea how to edit it
[21:02] <Quintasan> ScottK: I thought about writing a module like that one in Scribus patch, however that might be a overkill
[21:02] <ScottK> Quintasan: You shouldn't need it I don't think.
[21:03] <ScottK> I suspect you  just need to add a link command in the right spot.
[21:04] <sheytan> shadeslayer looks like my gimp mood is back :D
[21:04] <shadeslayer> \o/
[21:04] <sheytan> this means you can expect some cool stuff :D
[21:04] <shadeslayer> wheeeee
[21:05]  * shadeslayer is still looking at QML with no idea where to start form
[21:05] <shadeslayer> *from
[21:05] <shadeslayer> stuff isnt working in qmlviewer im afraid
[21:05] <sheytan> shadeslayer ask some plasma devs. They should know how to animate an svg
[21:06] <shadeslayer> notmart probably knows how :P
[21:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you just do not know what you do :P
[21:07]  * apachelogger notes that qtsvg probably does not support animated svg
[21:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whut?
[21:07] <apachelogger> or only simple one
[21:07] <shadeslayer> oh
[21:07] <apachelogger> it only implements some tiny version of some svg standard
[21:07] <shadeslayer> SVG
[21:07] <shadeslayer> i have no idea on that
[21:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, the not knowing thing was directed at your qmlviewer not doing tings :P
[21:08] <shadeslayer> thats why i said, talk to notmart
[21:08] <shadeslayer> ah
[21:08] <apachelogger> in 9 out of 9 cases a disfunct qmlviewer is the result of PEBKAC
[21:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: notmart confirmed its not working for him as well :P
[21:09] <apachelogger> then go talk to thiago
[21:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i open qmlviewer -> point it at a QML file -> white blank page
[21:09] <apachelogger> and a recommendation
[21:10] <apachelogger> mention that it might be socket related
[21:10] <shadeslayer> yes?
[21:10] <shadeslayer> ok
[21:10]  * apachelogger giggles in evil sort of manner
[21:10] <apachelogger> :D :D :D :D :D
[21:10]  * apachelogger giggles some more
[21:10]  * apachelogger forgot to breath and faints
[21:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 0_o
[21:11]  * shadeslayer smells something fishy
[21:11] <apachelogger> Quintasan's feet that is
[21:12]  * apachelogger pokes Nightrose
[21:13]  * Nightrose pokes apachelogger
[21:13]  * apachelogger cuddles the Nightrose
[21:13]  * Nightrose huggles apachelogger
[21:13] <apachelogger> \o/
[21:13]  * apachelogger hugs shadeslayer
[21:13]  * shadeslayer hugs Quintasan and gives him a better linker
[21:14]  * Quintasan hits apachelogger with an invisible pink unicorn
[21:14] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: a big GCI task might be coming your way
[21:14] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Upload it to main :P
[21:14] <shadeslayer> like
[21:14] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I NO HAVE  UPLOAD RIGHTS
[21:14] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: ?
[21:14] <Quintasan> [coolface]
[21:15] <Quintasan> Problem, shadeslayer?
[21:15] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: we are discussing about writing rekonq new tab page in QML :P
[21:15] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: ah heh
[21:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the proper sentence is "no upload right granted I have been"
[21:15] <shadeslayer> but the only problem being .... needs insanse amounts of time
[21:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: either is fine ^_^
[21:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude... qmlviewer is the broke
[21:16] <shadeslayer> http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7.old/qmlviewer.html
[21:16] <Quintasan> Apparently apachelogger knows some sophisticated language
[21:16] <apachelogger> omg
[21:16] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^
[21:16] <shadeslayer>  qmlviewer myqmlfile.qml << does not work
[21:16] <apachelogger> Everything counts!
[21:16] <Quintasan> >implying that QML will ever be any good
[21:16] <Quintasan> They are like bindings
[21:16] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: its already good
[21:16] <shadeslayer> oh
[21:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: worked last I tried it
[21:16] <Quintasan> They are good if they work.
[21:16] <shadeslayer> well ... yes it s!
[21:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is the fil0r?
[21:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: on the webbrowser example?
[21:17] <shadeslayer> one sec
[21:17]  * apachelogger wonders what would happen if kubuntu had a baby with depeche mode
[21:17] <apachelogger> or even kubuntu2 based on darwin
[21:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: /usr/lib/qt4/demos/declarative/webbrowser/
[21:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: >>Make bindings for 4.7 compile
[21:17] <Quintasan> Quote of the day
[21:17] <shadeslayer> please ^^
[21:18] <shadeslayer> and amarok goes and adds QtScriptGenerator as a build dep
[21:18] <shadeslayer> their compile system is shitz
[21:18] <Quintasan> Oh and that FTBFS too
[21:18] <Quintasan> qmake-------------------------
[21:18] <shadeslayer> rofl
[21:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: works
[21:18] <Quintasan> What works?
[21:18] <shadeslayer> qmake-- to the powa ∞
[21:19] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot131.png
[21:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you get a browser?
[21:19] <apachelogger> nokia
[21:19] <apachelogger> connecting people
[21:19] <apachelogger> only yesterday I had connection with someone
[21:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what file did you open?
[21:19] <Quintasan> Y U DO DIS
[21:19] <Quintasan> it looks like MAC
[21:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the qml file?
[21:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: which one!!!
[21:19] <apachelogger> there is only one
[21:19] <shadeslayer> there is one QML file
[21:19] <shadeslayer> and then there is a folder
[21:20] <shadeslayer> with more QML files
[21:20]  * Quintasan is outta here, ppl designing apps to look like mac ones
[21:20] <apachelogger> the folder sez contents
[21:20] <apachelogger> obviously that is not what one starts
[21:20] <apachelogger> -.-
[21:20] <apachelogger> you do not start the plugins in /usr/lib/kde4 either, do you?
[21:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/KALCw.png
[21:20] <apachelogger> everything counts!
[21:21] <shadeslayer> oh 
[21:21] <shadeslayer> file:///Work/webbrowser/webbrowser.qml:43:1: module "QtWebKit" is not installed 
[21:21] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[21:21] <apachelogger> haha
[21:21] <sheytan> shadeslayer http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2131/82709005.png   http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/307/14892812.png   http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2586/57574205.png
[21:21] <apachelogger> the natty effect
[21:21] <apachelogger> righ thtere
[21:21] <shadeslayer> lol
[21:21] <sheytan> shadeslayer if you could animate the clock :)
[21:22] <apachelogger> why would he not?
[21:22] <apachelogger> the hands just need to be separate object thingies
[21:22] <shadeslayer> omg supreme QML awesomeness
[21:22] <sheytan> apachelogger yeah :D
[21:22] <apachelogger> then one can easily rotate them
[21:22] <sheytan> shadeslayer like?
[21:23] <shadeslayer> like what apachelogger posted
[21:23] <sheytan> shadeslayer no, my mocks
[21:23] <apachelogger> you are all totally confusing
[21:23] <shadeslayer> ah
[21:24] <shadeslayer> well ... theyre something that can be done without QML
[21:24] <Quintasan> HERP DERP RETARDED LINKER
[21:24] <Quintasan> I'm going to bed
[21:24] <Quintasan> School's back tomorrow :/
[21:25] <apachelogger> dont you have better things to do Quintasan?
[21:25] <Quintasan> Like what?
[21:25] <jjesse> study?
[21:25] <apachelogger> connect with people
[21:25] <apachelogger> or do qml things to shadeslayer
[21:25] <jjesse> homework?
[21:25] <apachelogger> or do neon things to everyone
[21:25] <apachelogger> or dance and sing and cry
[21:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I'm already feeling affected by your madness by being connected to IC
[21:26] <Quintasan> IRC*
[21:26] <apachelogger> or learn to fight with a lightsaber
[21:26] <apachelogger> or to fly like a bird
[21:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thats something to do at UDS ...
[21:26] <shadeslayer> fighting with lightsabres
[21:26] <apachelogger> that would be handy thing to be able to pull off
[21:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Neon things? Fix that damn QtScriptGenerator
[21:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it was done
[21:26] <apachelogger> or has been done?
[21:26] <markit> plasmapkg -l does not show anything with "blog" in the name... any idea about what the "microbloggin" plasmoid is named?
[21:27] <apachelogger> Quintasan: go make sweet love to my hand
[21:27] <apachelogger> markit: twitter
[21:27] <apachelogger> I think
[21:27] <Quintasan> yus
[21:27] <Quintasan> logic
[21:27] <markit> apachelogger: argh! :( thanks
[21:27] <apachelogger> kde needs a micro blogging service
[21:28] <apachelogger> and call it sparkles
[21:28] <apachelogger> muhahaha
[21:28] <apachelogger> markit: dont mention it
[21:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger: hell no, I can only rip off your hand with axe
[21:28] <Quintasan> :P
[21:28] <apachelogger> Quintasan: and then make sweet love to it?
[21:28] <Quintasan> No, actually I planned to burn it.
[21:28] <apachelogger> oh
[21:28] <Quintasan> with plasma
[21:28] <apachelogger> that is utter useless
[21:28]  * apachelogger dds Quintasan
[21:28] <Quintasan> Really?
[21:29] <Quintasan> Have some pythons then
[21:29] <apachelogger> one never knows when one needs a Quintasan backup
[21:29] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that is spelled pyth0rns
[21:29]  * Quintasan throws pythons at apachelogger
[21:29] <Quintasan> pyth0rns are thrown as well
[21:29] <apachelogger> Quintasan: it is still spelled pyth0rns
[21:29]  * apachelogger does not care and place some javas in the way
[21:29] <Quintasan> Oh and while we are at throwing things
[21:30]  * Quintasan throws kdebindings at apachelogger
[21:30] <apachelogger> pyth0rns supposedly could live on javas
[21:30] <apachelogger> that is scary
[21:30] <Quintasan> You can't beat that
[21:30] <shadeslayer> rofl
[21:30] <apachelogger> kdebindings?
[21:30] <apachelogger> easily
[21:30]  * apachelogger pulls out gtkmm
[21:30] <apachelogger> muhahahaha
[21:30]  * shadeslayer throws QML at apachelogger
[21:30] <Quintasan> PFFFFTHTHSHSHHTH
[21:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Have some qmake built using qmake
[21:30] <Quintasan> Logic
[21:30] <shadeslayer> lawl
[21:30] <Quintasan> or pyth0rns interpreter written in pyth0rns
[21:30] <apachelogger> well
[21:31] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: that would be supreme
[21:31] <Quintasan> Ultimate combo
[21:31] <shadeslayer> qmake built with qmake
[21:31] <apachelogger> how does one get a compiler....
[21:31] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: pyth0rns interpreter in pyth0rns?
[21:31]  * yofel remembers gentoo
[21:31] <apachelogger> pyth0rn in pyth0rn did not work out
[21:31] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: that would mean the end of the world
[21:31] <apachelogger> they tried it
[21:31] <apachelogger> and realized pyth0rn is no good
[21:31] <yofel> building gcc implied gcc building itself several times..
[21:31] <apachelogger> so they used a good language again
[21:32] <shadeslayer> and the world was at peace again
[21:32] <Quintasan> Whatever, enjoy ur PyPy and kdebindings with PyPy bindings apachelogger
[21:32] <Quintasan> :>
[21:32]  * apachelogger smooches
[21:32] <yofel> apachelogger: got a project for you: rewrite bazaar in java
[21:32] <Quintasan> oh god
[21:32] <Quintasan> please no
[21:32] <apachelogger> I have enough stupid projects
[21:32] <shadeslayer> lol
[21:32] <Quintasan> Y U JAVA IN MY BZR
[21:32] <shadeslayer> wait no
[21:32] <Quintasan> or wait
[21:32] <yofel> why not? can't be worse than in pyth0rn
[21:32] <apachelogger> I can have nerdgasms the next 300 years
[21:32] <Quintasan> isnt bzr in python?
[21:32] <shadeslayer> write bzr in git
[21:33] <Quintasan> Y U PYTHONS IN MY BZR
[21:33] <yofel> shadeslayer: that would be supreme lol
[21:33] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: its already Pythonised
[21:33] <shadeslayer> yofel: inorite
[21:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I assume you are planning to go to the next UDS
[21:33] <apachelogger> no
[21:33] <apachelogger> I am flying
[21:33] <Quintasan> lol k, so you will be there?
[21:34] <apachelogger> to hawai
[21:34]  * Quintasan found "Python" beer
[21:34] <shadeslayer> to re-write bzr in git
[21:34] <apachelogger> yes
[21:34] <apachelogger> sekrit meeting with linus
[21:34] <apachelogger> oh
[21:34] <Quintasan> if noone will have bought it till then I'm going to bring one for u
[21:34] <shadeslayer> and KDE in Java
[21:34] <apachelogger> I should not have told you that
[21:34] <apachelogger> darn
[21:34] <apachelogger> everyone pleae meet with an "accident"
[21:34]  * apachelogger does not have time to take care of that
[21:34] <shadeslayer> sure
[21:34] <apachelogger> thanks, I appreciate it
[21:34]  * shadeslayer throws Java at Quintasan
[21:35]  * shadeslayer throws bzr at yofel
[21:35]  * shadeslayer git reverts sheytan
[21:35] <yofel> ouch
[21:35] <apachelogger> :O
[21:35] <apachelogger> this is horror
[21:35] <yofel> heavy...
[21:35]  * shadeslayer sudo rm -rf apachelogger
[21:35] <apachelogger> a blood bath
[21:35] <apachelogger> omg
[21:35] <shadeslayer> also
[21:35]  * yofel throws anit-Stuttgart_21 beer at shadeslayer
[21:35] <yofel> s/anit/anti/
[21:35] <shadeslayer> sudo apt-get remove --purge shadeslayer Riddell valorie apachelogger
[21:36] <shadeslayer> wait no
[21:36] <shadeslayer> s/apachelogger/agateau
[21:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[21:36] <yofel> shadeslayer: no christmas presents for you this year
[21:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i wonder where these incidents are reported :>
[21:36] <shadeslayer> sudo apt-get remove --purge santa
[21:36] <apachelogger> actually
[21:37] <apachelogger> they get reported to my trashbin
[21:37] <shadeslayer> oh btw didnt you know?
[21:37] <apachelogger> no
[21:37] <shadeslayer> i chrooted into your machine
[21:37] <apachelogger> yes
[21:37] <shadeslayer> so
[21:37] <apachelogger> no
[21:37] <shadeslayer> IM IN YOUR SYSTEMZ
[21:37] <apachelogger> yes
[21:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Kubuntu-2011 same procedure as every year : 2 releases and many bugs
[21:38] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: all your slash proc are belong to me?
[21:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: uh
[21:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: all your / belong to me
[21:38] <apachelogger> you are the first to get that ;)
[21:39]  * apachelogger is a sneaky topic writer ;)
[21:39] <shadeslayer> you win 100 internets for that
[21:39] <shadeslayer> also
[21:40] <apachelogger> that is 5 billion INR
[21:40] <shadeslayer> aww .. no kubotu
[21:40] <apachelogger> Quintasan: are you UDS?
[21:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: or just 5 Euros
[21:40] <apachelogger> yeah
[21:40] <shadeslayer> and i thought rbelem was UDS
[21:40] <apachelogger> for that sort of money you get a house around here
[21:40] <shadeslayer> oh .. wow .... Europe is cheap :P
[21:41] <apachelogger> yes
[21:41] <apachelogger> not like the US
[21:41] <shadeslayer> i can probably buy the whole of Europe for 100 Euros
[21:41] <apachelogger> you only get a door knob or something
[21:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: europe got more houses than that^!!
[21:42] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[21:42] <shadeslayer> well
[21:42] <apachelogger> so
[21:42] <apachelogger> the next phonon release will be called iguanos
[21:42] <apachelogger> discuss!
[21:43] <shadeslayer> qrc:/browser/Browser.qml:43:1: module "Qt.labs.folderlistmodel" is not installed 
[21:43] <shadeslayer> whee
[21:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: does it fix the sound?
[21:43] <apachelogger> in dragon, yes
[21:43] <apachelogger> thanks to fedora ;)
[21:43] <shadeslayer> i dont care if its called "shadeslayer" 
[21:43] <apachelogger> you lazy kubuntu folks do not contribute to phonon!!!!@
[21:43] <shadeslayer> i do care if it fixes amarok and sound
[21:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we try to fix Kubuntu
[21:44] <shadeslayer> see that is why Fedora is broken
[21:44] <apachelogger> good luck with that
[21:44] <apachelogger> no
[21:44] <apachelogger> fedora is working awesome since I work on it
[21:44] <shadeslayer> people work on KDE projects too much :P
[21:44] <shadeslayer> omg you switched to fedora?
[21:44] <shadeslayer> Y U NO LONGER A KUBUNTU DEV
[21:45] <ulysses> TRAITOR
[21:45] <apachelogger> jealous you are
[21:45] <apachelogger> it is the way of the dark side!
[21:45] <shadeslayer> quick someone take away upload rights from apachelogger before he uploads something with a dep on locusts
[21:45] <apachelogger> lolcode?
[21:45]  * yofel goes installing openSUSE while watching apachelogger getting ripped apart
[21:46]  * shadeslayer shoots BB gun in yofel's direction
[21:47]  * apachelogger notes that Nightrose has been running opensuse for weeks now
[21:47] <apachelogger> discuss!
[21:47] <Nightrose> -.-
[21:47] <Nightrose> lies!
[21:47] <shadeslayer> well
[21:47] <shadeslayer> give it 4 months
[21:48] <apachelogger> cause you're hot then youre cold
[21:48] <apachelogger> youre yes then youre no
[21:48] <apachelogger> !
[21:48] <shadeslayer> lol
[21:48] <apachelogger> opensuse are rupy overlords
[21:48] <shadeslayer> why cant we be loved like openSuse
[21:48] <apachelogger> they haz websith made out of rupy
[21:49] <apachelogger> I tell you why
[21:49] <apachelogger> because we do not go out there
[21:49] <apachelogger> and tell them
[21:49] <shadeslayer> maybe we should be using OBS in the first place
[21:49] <apachelogger> QVector<User*> them;
[21:49] <apachelogger> for example
[21:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer does not have a blog
[21:49] <apachelogger> ...
[21:49] <apachelogger> for example
[21:49] <shadeslayer> that just went over my head
[21:50] <shadeslayer> OH
[21:50] <shadeslayer> OHHH
[21:50] <apachelogger> apachelogger only blogs nerdgasms
[21:50] <shadeslayer> yes
[21:50] <apachelogger> for example
[21:50] <apachelogger> yofel doesnt have a blog
[21:50] <shadeslayer> i have to make a blog
[21:50] <shadeslayer> plz2suggest domain name
[21:50] <apachelogger> for example Nightrose does not go to conferences and does talks on how awesome opensuse is
[21:50] <apachelogger> ehm
[21:50] <apachelogger> kubuntu
[21:50] <shadeslayer> i haz to blog about QGraphicsWebView
[21:50] <apachelogger> for example
[21:50] <yofel> hey, I barely find stuff to put on identi.ca, forget a blog ^^
[21:50] <shadeslayer> and get it to planetkde
[21:50] <apachelogger> kubuntu2 is not yet there
[21:50] <apachelogger> and we need it
[21:50] <shadeslayer> and then achieve world domination 
[21:51] <apachelogger> yofel: you need to make stuff up
[21:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: without actually doing anything
[21:51] <apachelogger> one day I want us to own all the planet!
[21:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: just do : git clone apachelogger
[21:51] <apachelogger> coordinated planet attack
[21:51] <shadeslayer> and voila
[21:51] <yofel> XD
[21:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: --mirror
[21:52] <apachelogger> that reminds me
[21:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: throw in some heavy words like QML and QGS and QGV and QGraphicsWebView and your done
[21:52]  * apachelogger wanders off to fix0r the branchery
[21:52] <rbelem> shadeslayer, i was at uds :-)
[21:52] <shadeslayer> !!!
[21:52] <shadeslayer> rbelem: thats why!!!
[21:53] <rbelem> hum???
[21:53] <shadeslayer> nvm
[21:54] <apachelogger> nev0r mend
[21:54] <rbelem> shadeslayer, i did not read the log, i'm a little bit lazy :-) what were you talk about?
[21:54] <apachelogger> push push push
[21:54]  * apachelogger hugs rbelem
[21:54] <markit> I want to set something globally, and I can put a config file in /etc/kde4, that corresponds to ~/.kde/share/config/ for each user. But what if I want to set globally a file that, in a home, would be in ~/.kde/share/apps/app_name?
[21:55] <shadeslayer> omg omg
[21:55] <apachelogger> rbelem: a little bit?!?!? :O
[21:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yofel http://gitorious.org/build-tool/kde-trunk-recipe
[21:55] <apachelogger> wah?
[21:55] <shadeslayer> \o.
[21:55] <shadeslayer> \o/
[21:55] <shadeslayer> \o/
[21:55] <shadeslayer> \o/
[21:55] <shadeslayer> \o/
[21:55] <rbelem> apachelogger, :-D
[21:55]  * rbelem hugs apachelogger back
[21:56] <apachelogger> markit: I do not think that is possible
[21:56] <apachelogger> markit: a strace will tell
[21:56] <markit> apachelogger: I'm not that "guru"
[21:56] <markit> I have that "/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js" loads "twitter", and I want it not to do
[21:57] <markit> but if I change such a file, next update of kde will revert it back
[21:57] <apachelogger> strace -f -o log somekdeapp
[21:57] <apachelogger> then quit the app and take a look at the log file
[21:57] <markit> so I need a global way to set it
[21:57] <apachelogger> grep -it for apps/appname
[21:57] <apachelogger> for example
[21:57] <apachelogger> hm
[21:57] <apachelogger> oh
[21:57] <apachelogger> possibly I will be eating cia for kde in a bit
[21:58] <markit> what do you mean? (I'm not native english speaker)
[21:58] <apachelogger> markit: mean by what exactly?
[21:59] <markit> what does " will be eating cia for kde in a bit" mean?
[21:59] <shadeslayer> lol
[22:00] <shadeslayer> markit: cia = cia.vc and kde is well ... KDE :P
[22:00] <shadeslayer> or maybe he means CIA
[22:00]  * markit googling for cia.vc
[22:00] <markit> ah, CIA ok
[22:00] <shadeslayer> which would become ....erm ... rather .... messy
[22:00] <markit> so he means that will investigate this stuff or not?
[22:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: clarify!!!
[22:01] <shadeslayer> lol
[22:01] <markit> lol
[22:01] <apachelogger> I mean CIA
[22:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger->setClarifymode(true);
[22:01] <apachelogger> segfault
[22:01] <markit> ok, so you are trying to figure out?
[22:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you are buggy
[22:01]  * markit lost in the conversation
[22:01] <shadeslayer> i need to fix0r you
[22:01] <apachelogger> you are calling nonexistant functions!~!!!
[22:02] <apachelogger> also if you fix me I end up with funny layout
[22:02]  * apachelogger does not want that
[22:02] <shadeslayer> rofl
[22:02] <shadeslayer> my layout works now!
[22:02] <shadeslayer> a bit of a hack tho
[22:02] <shadeslayer> anyhow lets help markit
[22:02] <shadeslayer> markit: so you want to remove the plasmoid?
[22:03] <markit> shadeslayer: yes, I want students have the clean desktop without that distracting plasmoid :)
[22:03] <markit> (a ltsp-kubuntu based installation for a school)
[22:03] <markit> I've had so far a very hard time find config by config how to set globally things the way I need
[22:04] <markit> and I've only 2 big missing point at the moment
[22:04] <shadeslayer> hmm
[22:04] <markit> one is the "twitter" plasmoid
[22:04] <apachelogger> markit: maybe you should just ditch kubuntu-default-setitngs?
[22:04] <apachelogger> and create your own?
[22:04] <markit> the other is limit the user to just "logout" (not hybernate, switch user, lock, etc)
[22:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ENOTUSERFRIENDLY
[22:04] <apachelogger> yeah, but admin friendly
[22:04] <shadeslayer> that
[22:04] <apachelogger> that is what the whole system is made for
[22:05] <shadeslayer> true
[22:05] <markit> apachelogger: probably each time I update, kubuntu-default-setitngs are restored... I've put my global settings in /etc/kde4 so far
[22:05] <apachelogger> one could also cascade on the kubuntu-default-settings ;)
[22:05] <shadeslayer> cascade?
[22:05] <apachelogger> markit: well, not if you remove the package
[22:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes
[22:05] <markit> oh, there is a package? wow
[22:05] <shadeslayer> markit: lol :P
[22:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: lol! :P
[22:06] <markit> a bit drastic...
[22:06] <apachelogger> markit: http://techbase.kde.org/SysAdmin/Kiosk/Introduction
[22:07] <markit> apachelogger: thanks, I've read it
[22:07] <apachelogger> oh, wlel then you should know how ot casecade ontop of kubuntu-default-settings ;)
[22:07] <markit> in fact, as I said, I'm acting in /etc/kde4
[22:07] <apachelogger> yeah, but that is not very suitable
[22:07] <markit> but this time is not a usual setting
[22:07] <apachelogger> you could just create a new profile and stack that ontop of kubuntu-default-settings
[22:07] <apachelogger> that way you also solve the problem with share/apps
[22:08] <apachelogger> as profiles can have that, whereas /etc apparently cannot
[22:08] <markit> [22:54] <markit> I want to set something globally, and I can put a config file in /etc/kde4, that corresponds to ~/.kde/share/config/ for each user. But what if I want to set globally a file that, in a home, would be in ~/.kde/share/apps/app_name?
[22:08] <apachelogger> markit: take a look at /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile
[22:08] <shadeslayer> omg
[22:08] <shadeslayer> i just realized something
[22:08] <apachelogger> you can put *everything* you can put in .kde also in a kiosk profile
[22:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i did not send you the user profile thingy :P
[22:08] <markit> apachelogger: ok, thanks a lot
[22:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I no
[22:09] <shadeslayer> ok good
[22:09] <shadeslayer> because i lost it somewhere
[22:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: only martin and scott did IIRC
[22:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please write again
[22:09] <shadeslayer> aww
[22:09] <apachelogger> the only reason I did not yet rant about that is because more important things are on my todo
[22:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fix rekonq or wirte user profile
[22:09] <apachelogger> like a bazillion of them
[22:09] <apachelogger> but eventually
[22:09] <apachelogger> ...
[22:09] <shadeslayer> anyhow ... i need to sleep
[22:10] <shadeslayer> and to think of a wp domain name
[22:10] <markit> last question, since you are so kind and know a lot... I want to not have the user have the "lock", "switch user" "hybernate" stuff in K menu... any config for that?
[22:10] <shadeslayer> markit: probably no
[22:10] <markit> shadeslayer: is really a problem in multiuser... ltsp for instance
[22:10] <shadeslayer> i suppose if you dont give the users sudo access they cant do it
[22:11] <shadeslayer> but im not sure on this
[22:11] <markit> hybernate works even if not sudo
[22:11] <shadeslayer> hmm...no idea on that
[22:11] <markit> I had to modify a script so this capability is not detected, but is an hack and each update reverts things back
[22:11] <shadeslayer> but iirc ... removing sudo removes some stuff
[22:12] <shadeslayer> markit: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=901642
[22:13] <shadeslayer> markit: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SuspendHowto
[22:13] <markit>  the /etc/default/acpi-support did not worked last time I tried
[22:14] <shadeslayer> oh oh 
[22:14] <shadeslayer> theres a dbus interface  for it
[22:14] <shadeslayer> lets see
[22:14] <markit> I had to edit /usr/bin/pm-is-supported and add exit 1 on top
[22:15] <markit> I've the fear KDE in general, or in kubuntu in particular, is focusing more and more in "single user", killing the best feature in GNU/Linux, that is solid multiuser support
[22:15] <markit> hope I'm wrong
[22:16] <markit> but trying to setup ltsp has been so far really frustrating on this regard
[22:16] <shadeslayer> markit: check qdbus and org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.Inhibit
[22:18] <shadeslayer> aha!
[22:18] <markit> mm seems that disables AUTOMATIC hybernation, not the possibility to hybernate 
[22:18] <shadeslayer> markit: http://paste.kde.org/1695
[22:18] <shadeslayer> markit: what about method bool org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanHibernate()
[22:19] <markit> how can I set it by bash and have it permanent? I'm not a kde developer (unfortunatly)
[22:20] <shadeslayer> hmm
[22:22]  * apachelogger just had a good flood session with CIA :D
[22:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is dbus-send the preferred method for this?
[22:22] <apachelogger> it was awesome
[22:22] <apachelogger> pino will kill me
[22:22] <shadeslayer> :S
[22:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: qdbus
[22:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: for what?
[22:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: he should
[22:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: disabling hibernate
[22:23] <apachelogger> qdbus
[22:23] <apachelogger> from where? a script?
[22:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: qdbus org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.Inhibit /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement/Inhibit org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanHibernate
[22:23] <shadeslayer> bash
[22:23] <shadeslayer> how do we set it to false
[22:23] <apachelogger> well, depends on the script and its usage but generally qdbus
[22:23] <markit> well, I would love to have it set permanently disabled
[22:23] <apachelogger> as dbus-send is a PITA to use
[22:23] <markit> not disable "on the fly"
[22:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you cannot?
[22:23] <shadeslayer> yes, but  i cant get : qdbus org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.Inhibit /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement/Inhibit org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanHibernate 'false' : to wrok
[22:23] <apachelogger> that is a getter
[22:24] <apachelogger> as inidcated by the ()
[22:24] <apachelogger> if you could set something it woudl be (bool state) or somesuch
[22:25] <shadeslayer>  qdbus org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.Inhibit /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement/Inhibit org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanSuspendChanged (bool false)
[22:25] <shadeslayer> zsh: unknown file attribute
[22:25] <apachelogger> dude
[22:25] <apachelogger> srsly
[22:25] <apachelogger> loose the () 
[22:25] <apachelogger> and the bool
[22:26] <shadeslayer> still same thing
[22:26] <apachelogger> well
[22:26] <apachelogger> from the sounds of it is a signal
[22:26] <apachelogger> ...
[22:26] <shadeslayer> erm ... apparently yes
[22:26] <shadeslayer> doh
[22:26] <shadeslayer> there's a method
[22:26] <shadeslayer> can i use that?
[22:27] <apachelogger> wah?
[22:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: method bool org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanHibernate()
[22:28] <shadeslayer> omg ive lost qdbus output
[22:28] <apachelogger> dude
[22:28] <apachelogger> read the name
[22:28] <apachelogger> canHibernate
[22:28] <apachelogger> and returns a bool
[22:28] <apachelogger> now what could this be :P
[22:29] <shadeslayer> checking whether or not it can hibernate
[22:29] <shadeslayer> well then
[22:29] <shadeslayer> no idea
[22:29] <shadeslayer> could be done by dbus-send ... no idea tho
[22:29] <markit> don't you agree that some development should be done to ease life for multiuser environment? :)
[22:29] <apachelogger> like?
[22:30] <markit> like be able to control these aspects
[22:30] <markit> with global settings
[22:30] <apachelogger> what aspects?
[22:30] <shadeslayer> sheytan: can you post those mockups to the mailing list? :)
[22:30] <shadeslayer> sheytan: rekonq AT kde DOT org
[22:30] <markit> hybernate, lock, change user
[22:30] <apachelogger> what about them?
[22:30] <sheytan> shadeslayer do i have to subscribe?
[22:30] <shadeslayer> yes ...
[22:31] <shadeslayer> sheytan: how do we get back to you then! :P
[22:31] <shadeslayer> its low traffic
[22:31] <markit> apachelogger: default ltsp with kubuntu setup, every student, even if not belonging to sudo, can hybernate the server
[22:31] <sheytan> shadeslayer ok, will tomorrow :)
[22:31] <shadeslayer> sheytan: sure ... thanks!
[22:31] <markit> each student can lock or login with different user
[22:31] <markit> etc
[22:31] <markit> in short, is an hell
[22:32] <shadeslayer> i found something :P
[22:32] <shadeslayer> markit: http://i.imgur.com/jOMyu.png
[22:32] <markit> and is really hard to set thing globally... I've spent really a lot of time
[22:32] <markit> shadeslayer: is ONLY for reboot, not hybernate
[22:33] <shadeslayer> yeah .. trying to find somthing for hibernate
[22:33] <markit> shadeslayer: also should be extended to let specify an user, not only root
[22:33] <markit> i.e. remote: teacher
[22:33] <shadeslayer> markit: that would have to blamed on KDE upstream
[22:33] <markit> shadeslayer: I'm not "blaming", just politely arguing
[22:34] <markit> since often developers take it "personal" and say is not important, instead of face the problem
[22:34] <markit> so since you have been so kind to try to figure out how to solve, and found is not easy / possible, sure will back me on this :)
[22:35] <apachelogger> markit: well, if I am not mistaken switching should be controllable via consolekit
[22:36] <apachelogger> hibernate via hal most likely
[22:36] <markit> apachelogger: I would be very happy just removing the possibility from K menu
[22:36] <shadeslayer> hibernate is via pm-utils which is hal ...
[22:36] <apachelogger> markit: you could still hibernate from shell
[22:36] <markit> shadeslayer: I need acpid
[22:37] <markit> apachelogger: yes, but the possibility that a student hits the menu item is much higher
[22:37] <apachelogger> markit: you can configure hal to your liking by adding profiles or whatever they call it
[22:37] <apachelogger> markit: yeah, but if deactivated or locked to root in hal, then it is absolutely impossible for a student to do it 
[22:37] <apachelogger> which I would deem saver
[22:38] <markit> I'll try to setup a edubuntu and see if they have the same issues, and if they don't, I will try to file a request in kde bug tracker
[22:38] <markit> I do love kde, that's why I'm trying to use it with ltsp, but I'm really in troubles so far
[22:39] <markit> thanks a lot for your help and suggestions!
[22:39] <shadeslayer> sorry we couldnt help out :(
[22:39] <apachelogger> markit: kde has ltsp integration problems
[22:39] <apachelogger> well, kde 3 had some supporting stuff
[22:40] <apachelogger> sadly currently no one has an interst in working on it
[22:40] <markit> apachelogger: in #ltsp they suggested me to give up kde in fact...
[22:40] <apachelogger> and business interst also seems low
[22:40] <apachelogger> markit: that is currious
[22:40] <shadeslayer> well that you can do one thing
[22:40] <markit> give up kde and ltsp
[22:40] <markit> since they all use gnome
[22:40] <apachelogger> usually I get asked to do LTSP stuff in KDE at least twice a year ^^
[22:40] <shadeslayer> dude
[22:40] <shadeslayer> DUDE
[22:40] <apachelogger> whut?
[22:40] <shadeslayer> install gdm instead of kdm
[22:40] <shadeslayer> and no hibernate or reboot etc
[22:41] <shadeslayer> inside kmenu :P
[22:41] <shadeslayer> since it does not support it
[22:41] <apachelogger> oh
[22:41] <apachelogger> true
[22:41] <markit> REALLY?
[22:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just exchange the login manager :P
[22:41] <shadeslayer> its a workaround :P
[22:41] <apachelogger> eh
[22:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeaj
[22:41] <apachelogger> markit: ^
[22:41] <apachelogger> well
[22:41] <apachelogger> that will only work until 11.04
[22:41] <shadeslayer> right
[22:41] <apachelogger> I think someone did integrate support for it 
[22:41] <shadeslayer> that's no dm i think
[22:41] <markit> 11.04 is going to kill X-Window, so I will abandon kubuntu anyway
[22:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, someone did work on making KDM interoperate with gnome
[22:42] <shadeslayer> ah
[22:42] <apachelogger> no idea if the same applies vice versa
[22:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: iirc its not fixed in 4.6
[22:42] <apachelogger> I certainly told the guy to look into that too ^^
[22:42] <markit> in any case, the ltsp stuff is very important for schools...is so sad is not considered much in KDE
[22:42] <shadeslayer> well
[22:42] <apachelogger> markit: considering is not the problem, finding time and interest is
[22:42] <markit> now with "fat clients" support is even better
[22:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: its going to break again
[22:43] <shadeslayer> since KDM will move to plasma tech
[22:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: most certainly, canonical is redoing gdm :P
[22:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lolwat
[22:43] <apachelogger> plasma does not influence the backend works of KDM
[22:43] <shadeslayer> theyre re-doing gdm too @_@
[22:43] <apachelogger> well
[22:43] <apachelogger> I figure
[22:43] <apachelogger> since they redo everything
[22:43] <shadeslayer> just make your own DE for christs sake 
[22:43] <shadeslayer> yeah
[22:43] <apachelogger> they will also go after gdm at some point
[22:43] <apachelogger> as it uses a legacy gnome sessoin
[22:43] <shadeslayer> yep
[22:44] <apachelogger> exchanging that with unity tech would seem sensible
[22:44] <shadeslayer> markit: so basically just install gdm and you will be fine for now :P
[22:44] <markit> shadeslayer: I'll try tomorrow, thanks again
[22:44] <markit> bye
[22:44] <markit> and thanks for the work on KDE :)
[22:44] <shadeslayer> no problem :)
[22:45] <shadeslayer> ah well
[22:45] <shadeslayer> oh boi
[22:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: im sleeping
[22:45] <shadeslayer> its 4AM
[22:45] <shadeslayer> cya
[22:45] <apachelogger> I can see that
[22:45] <apachelogger> that is why you are typing
[22:45] <apachelogger> clearly you are sleeping
[22:45] <shadeslayer> :P
[22:46] <shadeslayer> s/im sleeping/im going to sleep
[22:46] <shadeslayer> night all
[22:46] <apachelogger> nini