[01:03] <cozziemoto> well the out of range has already been reported,,, something interesting though... if I install an nvidia 660gt  I cant boot single monitor however  with 7600gt  I get out of range
[01:03] <cozziemoto> 6600gt rather
[01:20] <cozziemoto> unfortunately  no natty for me until this is fixed :(
[01:27] <DrHalan> Ahoi, any people already using natty here?
[01:27] <holstein> i have an install
[01:27] <holstein> i consider it a testing install
[01:27] <penguin42> both these machines are
[01:27] <holstein> havent updated in a while
[01:27] <holstein> looks nice :)
[01:34] <DrHalan> gonna try it in virtualbox :9
[01:38] <holstein> i couldnt get 3d to pass through Vbox
[01:38] <holstein> i never have got the hang of that
[02:21] <tuxxman> hello, my brightness controls don't work on my laptop (running ubuntu 11.04) and its affecting my battery life dramatically because the brightness is always at max.
[02:21] <tuxxman> how do I fix this?
[02:22] <holstein> tuxxman: did you find a bug report?
[02:22] <tuxxman> no
[02:27] <scotty^> Poppler 0.16 was released on December 27, 2010.  Will this be included in Natty?
[02:28] <jMCg> scotty^: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianImportFreeze was 10th of December, so I guess not.
[02:28] <jMCg> scotty^: see also: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[02:30] <scotty^> Thanks.  That's a shame.
[02:35] <scotty^> jMCg: You meant 30th December, right?
[02:35] <scotty^> hey billy, what's up?
[02:37] <scotty^> Actually, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianImportFreeze there is still some hope.
[02:37] <jMCg> scotty^: It's half past 3, I'm fighting autoconf.. I'm getting blind.
[02:37] <scotty^> :)
[02:37] <scotty^> Natty FeatureFreeze is on February 24th.
[02:38] <jMCg> At least I did provide the correct links.
[02:39] <scotty^> yeah, thanks, although I'd already seen the release schedule.  I hoping a package maintainer might have been here in the channel.  But thanks for being helpful though.
[02:39] <scotty^> Happy new year to you.
[02:39] <jMCg> scotty^: all I ever get to hear here is: Open a ticket. Make a request.. etc..
[02:40] <jMCg> It's the user-friendly way of saying: Patches welcome.
[02:40] <scotty^> :)
[02:40] <scotty^> yeah
[02:40] <jMCg> Which, in essence, too translates to: Fuck off, I'm busy reading comics.
[02:40] <scotty^> I might try asking via email to ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com
[02:40] <scotty^> lol
[02:40]  * jMCg *is* reading comics while watching compiles fail right now.
[02:41] <jMCg> But I'm not a debian/ubuntu dev.. so, maybe that's just my interpretation.
[02:41] <IdleOne> !language | jMCg
[02:44]  * scotty^ feels like some testing :)
[02:44] <scotty^> get lost
[02:44] <scotty^> rack off
[02:44] <scotty^> piss off
[02:44] <scotty^> get stuffed
[02:44] <scotty^> go jump
[02:45] <jMCg> ...
[02:46] <jMCg> While I am used to #solaris -- which is not for faint of heart, I do tend to respect the local channel rules..
[02:46] <scotty^> yeah, I know it wasn't intentional - you just made a simple and accidental mistake
[02:47] <scotty^> You weren't booted from the channel and I would have been surprised an annoyed if you were
[02:48] <scotty^> Mentioning Solaris, on the other hand......
[02:48] <jMCg> No, what I meant is: After reading something like: 03:38:35 < ubottu> jMCg: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. --- It's generally a bad idea to start filling the channel with the exact opposite.
[02:48] <scotty^> :)
[02:48] <scotty^> yeah, I felt like a bit of testing though :)
[02:48] <jMCg> scotty^: IdleOne is not a bot.
[02:49] <scotty^> yeah, I realised that.
[02:49] <scotty^> Hopefully I don't get banned, although I could probably survive without access to this channel.  Being banned from #ubuntu would be more of a problem.
[02:50] <jMCg> Now, on the topic of Solaris:
[02:50] <scotty^> Evil system! :)
[02:50] <jMCg> You do realize that most of Linux' inspiration came from SunOS/Solaris?
[02:50] <scotty^> Nah, just kidding.
[02:51] <scotty^> It was a pity to see Suns demise
[02:51] <scotty^> I actually applied for a job with them when I was younger, many years ago.
[02:52] <scotty^> Yeah, I've read a bit about Linus and Minix and Unix and Solaris, although that was a while ago and I've forgotten some of it.
[02:54] <scotty^> any luck getting your compiles to work with autoconf?
[02:54] <scotty^> Not that I can help you with that.
[02:59] <IdleOne> jMCg: that is news to me
[03:00] <IdleOne> the bot thing that is
[03:00] <IdleOne> and the topic in this channel is Ubuntu+1
[03:02] <IdleOne> heh, I read that as I am a bot
[03:02] <IdleOne> sorry
[05:04] <Volkodav> anybody noticed firefox does not save added icons from customize list over ff restart
[05:08] <nit-wit> Volkodav, you mean the toolbar icons
[05:08] <Volkodav> yes
[05:09] <Volkodav> maybe just this theme strata reloaded
[05:11] <nit-wit> are you using a addon that is not working there was a FF update that threw out a couple of mine
[05:12] <Volkodav> Nothing special - print icon zoom etc
[05:12] <Volkodav> on restart the all gone
[05:15] <Volkodav> Sync annoying message too
[05:15]  * Volkodav back to Opera
[05:22] <aksh1> hi all,i like ti test multitouch feature in netbook which 10.10/11.04 will be best for the same
[05:22] <aksh1> in which release multitouch has more support
[13:23] <wersdaluv> upgrade-manager -d doesn't work for me. what's up?
[13:23] <wersdaluv> how do I upgrade from maverick?
[13:24] <Daekdroom> wersdaluv, in the "upgrades" tab in Software Channels, you have to set it so it'll show you any release and not only LTS ones
[13:24] <wersdaluv> Daekdroom, oh great. is that new?
[13:24] <Daekdroom> I think it's been there for quite a long while.
[13:25] <hype> not sure you  can do this during devellopement cycle
[13:25] <hype> you can set to automatically get only LTZ releases, or the latest
[13:25] <hype> for Natty you'll need to install from live cd/usb
[13:26] <wersdaluv> Daekdroom, you meant, "Updates" tab then "pre-release updates" right?
[13:26] <wersdaluv> still can't see the distro upgrade button
[13:26] <hype> well, i was wrong :p
[13:26] <Daekdroom> wersdaluv, No. I meant at the bottom of that tab
[13:27] <yofel> didn't that only count for Lucid? (since it was LTS)
[13:27] <hype> you can update this way , just did a sudo update-manager -d and i get 11.04 pop up :)
[13:27] <yofel> update-manager -d should work
[13:27] <wersdaluv> Daekdroom, my setting has been "Normal releases"
[13:27] <Daekdroom> Odd.
[13:27] <wersdaluv> the other two are LTS only and "Never"
[13:28] <Daekdroom> 11.04 pops up normally in here if I start update-manager -d
[13:28] <yofel> wersdaluv: did you use upgrade-manager (doesn't exist) or update-manager -d ?
[13:28] <wersdaluv> yofel, upgrade-manager -d
[13:28] <yofel> then use the right one
[13:28] <wersdaluv> what right one?
[13:28] <yofel> wersdaluv: update-manager -d
[13:28] <yofel> wersdaluv: there is no upgrade-manager
[13:28] <wersdaluv> that's what I use
[13:29] <wersdaluv> yep
[13:29] <Daekdroom> yofel, should I uninstall all these PPAs before going 11.04?
[13:29] <yofel> wersdaluv: odd, sudo apt-get update   and try again
[13:30] <yofel> Daekdroom: update-manager will disable them, so unless they have versions that conflict with ubuntu and update-manager can't resolve leave them be
[13:30] <yofel> (if you do you'll have to use ppa-purge)
[13:30] <Daekdroom> k
[13:31] <Daekdroom> system breakage, here I come!
[13:31] <wersdaluv> figured it out
[13:31] <wersdaluv> it wants to be plugged on AC
[13:32] <wersdaluv> wow
[13:32] <yofel> wersdaluv: then it should say so...
[13:32] <wersdaluv> I think it's fine, but system should at least tell me
[13:32] <wersdaluv> yofel, +1
[13:32] <yofel> wersdaluv: ubuntu-bug update-manager
[13:32] <wersdaluv> yepyep
[13:34] <hype> i'm considering installing natty now :(
[13:34] <hype> but i know i'll get some pytho, breakages at some point so...
[13:35] <Daekdroom> 20 minutes to download the packages, 2 hours to install them.
[13:35] <penguin42> yeh it's nuts
[13:35] <yofel> did they alredy add force-unsafe-io to the installer?
[13:35] <Daekdroom> I like the kind of breakage that doesn't actually stops you from using the system. It feels adventurous.
[13:36] <hype> weird, i did a lucid to maverick a few days ago it took exept 25/30 min download, 30 minutes ton install :p
[13:36] <hype> Daekdroom, you're on natty now?
[13:36] <Daekdroom> Nope. Going maverick --> Natty
[13:36] <hype> how do you like unity?
[13:36] <hype> never actually tried it
[13:36] <hype> okok
[13:37] <yofel> tried unity 2 weeks ago, didn't like it, has anything changed since then? (ok, I know it's incomplete)
[13:37] <hype> i personally just hope i'll be able to remove and keep my awn like it is :)
[13:37] <hype> remove unity*
[13:47] <wersdaluv> false alarm. looks like it only worked for me when I did it on the terminal and not on alt+F2 dialog (which is also weird)
[13:59]  * penguin42 has used KDE for about 2-3 days now - I might stay that way
[14:00] <Daekdroom> Really? I can't bare KDE
[14:01] <penguin42> Daekdroom: I'd tried it a few times in the past, and KDE4 I think has finally got to the point I can cope - there are a few bits I don't like
[14:02] <Daekdroom> I think it is too cluttered for my tastes. I'd have to try a minimalistic KDE distro if I really wanted to use it.
[14:40] <BUGabundo> howdy
[14:41] <Daekdroom> should I let the system replace /etc/sudoers during the maverick-->natty upgrade?
[14:41] <penguin42> did you edit it?
[14:41] <IdleOne> Daekdroom: yes if you left it default
[14:42] <Daekdroom> I don't remember editing it at all, sooo.
[14:42] <IdleOne> if you edited it, you may not want to
[14:42] <Daekdroom> *replaces it*
[14:42] <BUGabundo> is it a recent image?
[14:42] <BUGabundo> cause there was a bug in a recent sudo package
[14:42] <BUGabundo> that took you SUDO away
[14:42] <coz_> BUGabundo,  leave it at default
[14:43] <yofel> iirc they fixed that
[14:43] <coz_> oh?
[14:43] <Daekdroom> well, I downloaded the upgrades now.
[14:43] <Daekdroom> So unless I'm using a badly outdated mirror..
[14:43] <coz_> BUGabundo,  sorry wrong person
[14:44] <BUGabundo> np
[14:44] <BUGabundo> I'm still being hit by it on debian unstable
[14:44] <BUGabundo> but fixed in ubuntu
[14:44] <coz_> I am still getting monitor out of range with current updates
[14:45] <coz_> no way to get into the system unless I install an earlier  daily build and dont update at all
[14:45] <yofel> what grapics card and when exactly do you get that?
[14:49] <yofel> if it started in december maybe it's this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-December/032244.html
[14:49] <coz_> yofel,   me?   nvidia 7600gt
[14:50] <coz_> yofel,  what's interesting is if I switche out the card to a 6600gt  it boots fine but only if one monitor is plugged in  ...go figure
[14:51] <yofel> ..
[14:51] <coz_> I actually thought  my 7600gt  went bad on me the first time this happened :)
[14:51] <coz_> so at this point I cannot install  natty
[15:02] <Daekdroom> Wow. Unity is way different.
[15:02] <Daekdroom> But it feels raw.
[15:03] <Daekdroom> Because it keeps opening a nautilus folder /usr/share/applications/
[15:03] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Yeh I can kind of see that as a vaguely neat way of selecting apps
[15:03] <IdleOne> that is a feature
[15:03] <Daekdroom> and the top bar menu and indicators aren't working or something
[15:04] <IdleOne> also a feature
[15:04] <IdleOne> heh
[15:04] <Daekdroom> You're kidding, right? >.>
[15:04] <IdleOne> Daekdroom: partially
[15:04] <IdleOne> not everything works right now
[15:04] <Daekdroom> Ah.
[15:05] <Daekdroom> I might as well switch back to classic gnome then
[15:10] <Daekdroom> compiz segfaulting with classic GNOME: checked
[15:10] <Daekdroom> I'll try deleting ~/.compiz/ before filing a report on it
[15:26] <BluesKaj> is FF4 the defauilt FF browser for 11.04?
[15:26] <Daekdroom> Yes
[15:28] <BluesKaj> ok, not liking it much so far ...looks like they're still working on the toolbars etc
[15:29] <Daekdroom> BluesKaj, I'd use classic GNOME if I were you.
[15:30] <yofel> I actually like FF4, took a while until I got used to the missing stausbar though
[15:30] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom, not a gnome user ..kde fan here
[15:30] <Daekdroom> Oh.
[15:31] <Daekdroom> I liked the new sound-indicator buttons!
[15:32] <BluesKaj> I have sounds turned off ...too annoying :)
[15:33] <BluesKaj> i'm old and grumpy , cutsy pie silliness gets under my skin
[15:46] <hype> just wondering, anyone on Natty? are there some really really annoying bugs for "i'm ok for testing/bug report but not to much breakage" ? :p
[15:49] <zniavre_> no pain, no gain ?
[15:49] <hype> haha
[15:49] <hype> tu fais le malin, mais tu es sous natty? :>
[15:49] <hype> je sais que tu va répondre "oui"
[15:49] <zniavre_> vbox using atm
[15:49] <hype> cheater
[15:50] <zniavre_> :o)
[15:50] <hype> j'ai fait les backups
[15:50] <hype> j'ai imprimé mon grpated sur papier
[15:50] <hype> je met à jour l'iso depuis rsync ...
[15:51] <hype> ah tiens zniavre_ , ça te dit de tester un theme awn pour moi?
[15:51] <zniavre_>  j/ #ubuntu-fr-testing ?
[15:52] <hype> yep
[15:52] <IdleOne> hype: Please speak in English in this channel
[15:53] <hype> sure, we moved somewhere else :)
[16:40]  * penguin42 is seeing quite a lof of KDE debug in .xsession-errors along the lines of '(KIconLoader): Trying to remove an entry which is already invalid.  This  cche is likely corrupt.
[16:42] <dupondje> https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html => the merges page was not used for Natty dev ?
[16:45] <yofel> penguin42: I have those icon errors too, not sure where they come from
[16:54] <penguin42> yofel: You patched any bugs in the kde.bugzilla - what's the normal way of pushing stuff forward - just attach the patch and sit back?
[16:55] <yofel> patches for kde stuff should go to http://reviewboard.kde.org, for more details you'll have to go to #kubuntu-devel or #kde-devel though
[16:56] <BluesKaj> darn FF toolbar fonts aren't integrating well with kde settings I need for my large monitor
[16:56] <penguin42> yofel: ooh right, thanks I'll have a look
[17:22] <edgy> Hi, how can I enable spelling checking in ooo in natty?
[17:23] <jMCg> Anyone else got broken UTF-8 characters in terminal?
[17:24] <penguin42> which terminal?
[17:26] <edgy> jMCg: konsole is working properly here
[17:30] <jMCg> Nope.. console doesn't work either. Looks the same as Gnome Terminal.
[17:30] <jMCg> 16:47:50 < hype> j'ai imprimï¿½ mon grpated sur papier
[17:31] <jMCg> And the fonts look smudgy too :-/
[17:32] <jMCg> Aah.. much better with fontsize 12.
[18:35] <CarlFK> "Dec 30th   DebianImportFreeze,  Feb 24th  FeatureFreeze"  http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/melt is v0.5.6.  0.6.0 was just released, will hit https://edge.launchpad.net/~sunab/+archive/kdenlive-svn either tonight or next Sun.
[18:35] <CarlFK> which date defines if the .6 ver can be included?
[18:42] <yofel> CarlFK: since we're past DIF, it won't be auto-synced from debian even if it's updated in unstable, but you can request a manual sync until FF
[18:43] <CarlFK> yofel: cool. thanks.
[18:43] <CarlFK> um.. what needs to be in place for the request?
[18:44] <CarlFK> I am guessing i need it packaged somewhere.  is the PPA good enough?
[18:44] <yofel> I'm talking about debian currently since we just sync the package from there currently (they have 0.5.10 in experimental currently)
[18:45] <yofel> sync requests should follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[18:45] <CarlFK> so if I get debian exp to update to .6, then .. I'll read that :)
[18:45] <yofel> for more details you'll have to ask in #ubuntu-motu though, my knowledge ends here
[18:46] <CarlFK> yofel: thanks a bunch.  this is the kind of pointers I was hoping for
[18:49] <CarlFK> "and the Debian package is in sid"  is sid still correct?
[18:49] <yofel> sid would be unstable
[18:52] <Daekdroom> Sid is always the unstable version of Debian.
[18:54] <CarlFK> ah.  thanks.  was trying to figure out if I should resolve my confusion.
[19:24] <CarlFK> yofel: wee!   melt .6 just hit sid -  I was on my way to figure out who I needed to bribe to make that happen :)
[19:54] <Daekdroom> It annoys me that my gnome terminal keeps starting at 80x22 instead of 80x24
[19:56] <mongy> --geometry=80x24
[19:58] <Daekdroom> mongy, the thing is, 80x24 should be default.
[19:58] <Daekdroom> and I can't seem to change that under gnome-terminal configs
[19:58] <mongy> gnome-terminal --geometry=80x24  then
[19:59] <mongy> update the shrortcuts for it..
[20:28] <alkisg> On a default Natty installation, my /etc/hosts contains the following lines, isn't it a bug to have ::1 there twice? Does anyone else also have this?
[20:28] <alkisg> ::1	localhost6	natty
[20:28] <alkisg> ::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
[20:30] <rww> no, it's not a bug
[20:30] <rww> just means two different hostnames resolve to the same IP address. this is entirely unproblematic.
[20:31] <rww> well, four, since there are two on each line
[20:31] <alkisg> rww: I think I read a debian bug about this (for hostname and 127.0.0.1), let me find it...
[20:31] <alkisg> I.e. that it's allowed to have them on the same line, but not on separate lines
[20:32] <rww> you can have different lines with the same IP address in /etc/hosts
[20:32] <rww> heck, some people using one form of ad blocking end up with thousands of lines with the same IP address in /etc/hosts.
[20:33] <alkisg> Hmmm right I'm probably remembering a different problem then
[20:33] <alkisg> Thank you
[21:23] <bittin> somone wants a Diaspora invite?
[21:23] <CarlFK> we need invites?
[21:26] <Daekdroom> What is Diaspora?
[21:27] <virtuald> a security nightmare
[21:29] <CarlFK> it's like facebook but with an admitted less regard? for security
[21:29] <CarlFK> "we aren't security experts" or something
[21:32] <Daekdroom> Odd. It's nothing like the main page says