[01:03] well the out of range has already been reported,,, something interesting though... if I install an nvidia 660gt I cant boot single monitor however with 7600gt I get out of range [01:03] 6600gt rather [01:20] unfortunately no natty for me until this is fixed :( [01:27] Ahoi, any people already using natty here? [01:27] i have an install [01:27] i consider it a testing install [01:27] both these machines are [01:27] havent updated in a while [01:27] looks nice :) === DrDank is now known as e\ectro_ [01:34] gonna try it in virtualbox :9 [01:38] i couldnt get 3d to pass through Vbox [01:38] i never have got the hang of that [02:21] hello, my brightness controls don't work on my laptop (running ubuntu 11.04) and its affecting my battery life dramatically because the brightness is always at max. [02:21] how do I fix this? [02:22] tuxxman: did you find a bug report? [02:22] no [02:27] Poppler 0.16 was released on December 27, 2010. Will this be included in Natty? [02:28] scotty^: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianImportFreeze was 10th of December, so I guess not. [02:28] scotty^: see also: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule [02:30] Thanks. That's a shame. [02:35] jMCg: You meant 30th December, right? [02:35] hey billy, what's up? [02:37] Actually, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianImportFreeze there is still some hope. [02:37] scotty^: It's half past 3, I'm fighting autoconf.. I'm getting blind. [02:37] :) [02:37] Natty FeatureFreeze is on February 24th. [02:38] At least I did provide the correct links. [02:39] yeah, thanks, although I'd already seen the release schedule. I hoping a package maintainer might have been here in the channel. But thanks for being helpful though. [02:39] Happy new year to you. [02:39] scotty^: all I ever get to hear here is: Open a ticket. Make a request.. etc.. [02:40] It's the user-friendly way of saying: Patches welcome. [02:40] :) [02:40] yeah [02:40] Which, in essence, too translates to: Fuck off, I'm busy reading comics. [02:40] I might try asking via email to ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com [02:40] lol [02:40] * jMCg *is* reading comics while watching compiles fail right now. [02:41] But I'm not a debian/ubuntu dev.. so, maybe that's just my interpretation. [02:41] !language | jMCg [02:41] jMCg: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [02:44] * scotty^ feels like some testing :) [02:44] get lost [02:44] rack off [02:44] piss off [02:44] get stuffed [02:44] go jump [02:45] ... [02:46] While I am used to #solaris -- which is not for faint of heart, I do tend to respect the local channel rules.. [02:46] yeah, I know it wasn't intentional - you just made a simple and accidental mistake [02:47] You weren't booted from the channel and I would have been surprised an annoyed if you were [02:48] Mentioning Solaris, on the other hand...... [02:48] No, what I meant is: After reading something like: 03:38:35 < ubottu> jMCg: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. --- It's generally a bad idea to start filling the channel with the exact opposite. [02:48] :) [02:48] yeah, I felt like a bit of testing though :) [02:48] scotty^: IdleOne is not a bot. [02:49] yeah, I realised that. [02:49] Hopefully I don't get banned, although I could probably survive without access to this channel. Being banned from #ubuntu would be more of a problem. [02:50] Now, on the topic of Solaris: [02:50] Evil system! :) [02:50] You do realize that most of Linux' inspiration came from SunOS/Solaris? [02:50] Nah, just kidding. [02:51] It was a pity to see Suns demise [02:51] I actually applied for a job with them when I was younger, many years ago. [02:52] Yeah, I've read a bit about Linus and Minix and Unix and Solaris, although that was a while ago and I've forgotten some of it. [02:54] any luck getting your compiles to work with autoconf? [02:54] Not that I can help you with that. [02:59] jMCg: that is news to me [03:00] the bot thing that is [03:00] and the topic in this channel is Ubuntu+1 [03:02] heh, I read that as I am a bot [03:02] sorry === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [05:04] anybody noticed firefox does not save added icons from customize list over ff restart [05:08] Volkodav, you mean the toolbar icons [05:08] yes [05:09] maybe just this theme strata reloaded [05:11] are you using a addon that is not working there was a FF update that threw out a couple of mine [05:12] Nothing special - print icon zoom etc [05:12] on restart the all gone [05:15] Sync annoying message too [05:15] * Volkodav back to Opera [05:22] hi all,i like ti test multitouch feature in netbook which 10.10/11.04 will be best for the same [05:22] in which release multitouch has more support === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as devilbot === devilbot is now known as IAmNotThatGuy === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === bilalakhtar_ is now known as cdbs [13:23] upgrade-manager -d doesn't work for me. what's up? [13:23] how do I upgrade from maverick? [13:24] wersdaluv, in the "upgrades" tab in Software Channels, you have to set it so it'll show you any release and not only LTS ones [13:24] Daekdroom, oh great. is that new? [13:24] I think it's been there for quite a long while. [13:25] not sure you can do this during devellopement cycle [13:25] you can set to automatically get only LTZ releases, or the latest [13:25] for Natty you'll need to install from live cd/usb [13:26] Daekdroom, you meant, "Updates" tab then "pre-release updates" right? [13:26] still can't see the distro upgrade button [13:26] well, i was wrong :p [13:26] wersdaluv, No. I meant at the bottom of that tab [13:27] didn't that only count for Lucid? (since it was LTS) [13:27] you can update this way , just did a sudo update-manager -d and i get 11.04 pop up :) [13:27] update-manager -d should work [13:27] Daekdroom, my setting has been "Normal releases" [13:27] Odd. [13:27] the other two are LTS only and "Never" [13:28] 11.04 pops up normally in here if I start update-manager -d [13:28] wersdaluv: did you use upgrade-manager (doesn't exist) or update-manager -d ? [13:28] yofel, upgrade-manager -d [13:28] then use the right one [13:28] what right one? [13:28] wersdaluv: update-manager -d [13:28] wersdaluv: there is no upgrade-manager [13:28] that's what I use [13:29] yep [13:29] yofel, should I uninstall all these PPAs before going 11.04? [13:29] wersdaluv: odd, sudo apt-get update and try again [13:30] Daekdroom: update-manager will disable them, so unless they have versions that conflict with ubuntu and update-manager can't resolve leave them be [13:30] (if you do you'll have to use ppa-purge) [13:30] k [13:31] system breakage, here I come! [13:31] figured it out [13:31] it wants to be plugged on AC [13:32] wow [13:32] wersdaluv: then it should say so... [13:32] I think it's fine, but system should at least tell me [13:32] yofel, +1 [13:32] wersdaluv: ubuntu-bug update-manager [13:32] yepyep [13:34] i'm considering installing natty now :( [13:34] but i know i'll get some pytho, breakages at some point so... [13:35] 20 minutes to download the packages, 2 hours to install them. [13:35] yeh it's nuts [13:35] did they alredy add force-unsafe-io to the installer? [13:35] I like the kind of breakage that doesn't actually stops you from using the system. It feels adventurous. [13:36] weird, i did a lucid to maverick a few days ago it took exept 25/30 min download, 30 minutes ton install :p [13:36] Daekdroom, you're on natty now? [13:36] Nope. Going maverick --> Natty [13:36] how do you like unity? [13:36] never actually tried it [13:36] okok [13:37] tried unity 2 weeks ago, didn't like it, has anything changed since then? (ok, I know it's incomplete) [13:37] i personally just hope i'll be able to remove and keep my awn like it is :) [13:37] remove unity* [13:47] false alarm. looks like it only worked for me when I did it on the terminal and not on alt+F2 dialog (which is also weird) [13:59] * penguin42 has used KDE for about 2-3 days now - I might stay that way [14:00] Really? I can't bare KDE [14:01] Daekdroom: I'd tried it a few times in the past, and KDE4 I think has finally got to the point I can cope - there are a few bits I don't like [14:02] I think it is too cluttered for my tastes. I'd have to try a minimalistic KDE distro if I really wanted to use it. === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as M0hi [14:40] howdy [14:41] should I let the system replace /etc/sudoers during the maverick-->natty upgrade? [14:41] did you edit it? [14:41] Daekdroom: yes if you left it default [14:42] I don't remember editing it at all, sooo. [14:42] if you edited it, you may not want to [14:42] *replaces it* [14:42] is it a recent image? [14:42] cause there was a bug in a recent sudo package [14:42] that took you SUDO away [14:42] BUGabundo, leave it at default [14:43] iirc they fixed that [14:43] oh? [14:43] well, I downloaded the upgrades now. [14:43] So unless I'm using a badly outdated mirror.. [14:43] BUGabundo, sorry wrong person [14:44] np [14:44] I'm still being hit by it on debian unstable [14:44] but fixed in ubuntu [14:44] I am still getting monitor out of range with current updates [14:45] no way to get into the system unless I install an earlier daily build and dont update at all [14:45] what grapics card and when exactly do you get that? [14:49] if it started in december maybe it's this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-December/032244.html [14:49] yofel, me? nvidia 7600gt [14:50] yofel, what's interesting is if I switche out the card to a 6600gt it boots fine but only if one monitor is plugged in ...go figure [14:51] .. [14:51] I actually thought my 7600gt went bad on me the first time this happened :) [14:51] so at this point I cannot install natty === JanC_ is now known as JanC [15:02] Wow. Unity is way different. [15:02] But it feels raw. [15:03] Because it keeps opening a nautilus folder /usr/share/applications/ [15:03] Daekdroom: Yeh I can kind of see that as a vaguely neat way of selecting apps [15:03] that is a feature [15:03] and the top bar menu and indicators aren't working or something [15:04] also a feature [15:04] heh [15:04] You're kidding, right? >.> [15:04] Daekdroom: partially [15:04] not everything works right now [15:04] Ah. [15:05] I might as well switch back to classic gnome then [15:10] compiz segfaulting with classic GNOME: checked [15:10] I'll try deleting ~/.compiz/ before filing a report on it [15:26] is FF4 the defauilt FF browser for 11.04? [15:26] Yes [15:28] ok, not liking it much so far ...looks like they're still working on the toolbars etc [15:29] BluesKaj, I'd use classic GNOME if I were you. [15:30] I actually like FF4, took a while until I got used to the missing stausbar though [15:30] Daekdroom, not a gnome user ..kde fan here [15:30] Oh. [15:31] I liked the new sound-indicator buttons! [15:32] I have sounds turned off ...too annoying :) [15:33] i'm old and grumpy , cutsy pie silliness gets under my skin [15:46] just wondering, anyone on Natty? are there some really really annoying bugs for "i'm ok for testing/bug report but not to much breakage" ? :p [15:49] no pain, no gain ? [15:49] haha [15:49] tu fais le malin, mais tu es sous natty? :> [15:49] je sais que tu va répondre "oui" [15:49] vbox using atm [15:49] cheater [15:50] :o) [15:50] j'ai fait les backups [15:50] j'ai imprimé mon grpated sur papier [15:50] je met à jour l'iso depuis rsync ... [15:51] ah tiens zniavre_ , ça te dit de tester un theme awn pour moi? [15:51] j/ #ubuntu-fr-testing ? [15:52] yep [15:52] hype: Please speak in English in this channel [15:53] sure, we moved somewhere else :) [16:40] * penguin42 is seeing quite a lof of KDE debug in .xsession-errors along the lines of '(KIconLoader): Trying to remove an entry which is already invalid. This cche is likely corrupt. [16:42] https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html => the merges page was not used for Natty dev ? [16:45] penguin42: I have those icon errors too, not sure where they come from [16:54] yofel: You patched any bugs in the kde.bugzilla - what's the normal way of pushing stuff forward - just attach the patch and sit back? [16:55] patches for kde stuff should go to http://reviewboard.kde.org, for more details you'll have to go to #kubuntu-devel or #kde-devel though [16:56] darn FF toolbar fonts aren't integrating well with kde settings I need for my large monitor [16:56] yofel: ooh right, thanks I'll have a look [17:22] Hi, how can I enable spelling checking in ooo in natty? [17:23] Anyone else got broken UTF-8 characters in terminal? [17:24] which terminal? [17:26] jMCg: konsole is working properly here [17:30] Nope.. console doesn't work either. Looks the same as Gnome Terminal. [17:30] 16:47:50 < hype> j'ai imprim� mon grpated sur papier [17:31] And the fonts look smudgy too :-/ [17:32] Aah.. much better with fontsize 12. [18:35] "Dec 30th DebianImportFreeze, Feb 24th FeatureFreeze" http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/melt is v0.5.6. 0.6.0 was just released, will hit https://edge.launchpad.net/~sunab/+archive/kdenlive-svn either tonight or next Sun. [18:35] which date defines if the .6 ver can be included? [18:42] CarlFK: since we're past DIF, it won't be auto-synced from debian even if it's updated in unstable, but you can request a manual sync until FF [18:43] yofel: cool. thanks. [18:43] um.. what needs to be in place for the request? [18:44] I am guessing i need it packaged somewhere. is the PPA good enough? [18:44] I'm talking about debian currently since we just sync the package from there currently (they have 0.5.10 in experimental currently) [18:45] sync requests should follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess [18:45] so if I get debian exp to update to .6, then .. I'll read that :) [18:45] for more details you'll have to ask in #ubuntu-motu though, my knowledge ends here [18:46] yofel: thanks a bunch. this is the kind of pointers I was hoping for [18:49] "and the Debian package is in sid" is sid still correct? [18:49] sid would be unstable [18:52] Sid is always the unstable version of Debian. [18:54] ah. thanks. was trying to figure out if I should resolve my confusion. [19:24] yofel: wee! melt .6 just hit sid - I was on my way to figure out who I needed to bribe to make that happen :) === yofel is now known as sheytyl === sheytyl is now known as yofel [19:54] It annoys me that my gnome terminal keeps starting at 80x22 instead of 80x24 [19:56] --geometry=80x24 [19:58] mongy, the thing is, 80x24 should be default. [19:58] and I can't seem to change that under gnome-terminal configs [19:58] gnome-terminal --geometry=80x24 then [19:59] update the shrortcuts for it.. [20:28] On a default Natty installation, my /etc/hosts contains the following lines, isn't it a bug to have ::1 there twice? Does anyone else also have this? [20:28] ::1 localhost6 natty [20:28] ::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback [20:30] no, it's not a bug [20:30] just means two different hostnames resolve to the same IP address. this is entirely unproblematic. [20:31] well, four, since there are two on each line [20:31] rww: I think I read a debian bug about this (for hostname and 127.0.0.1), let me find it... [20:31] I.e. that it's allowed to have them on the same line, but not on separate lines [20:32] you can have different lines with the same IP address in /etc/hosts [20:32] heck, some people using one form of ad blocking end up with thousands of lines with the same IP address in /etc/hosts. [20:33] Hmmm right I'm probably remembering a different problem then [20:33] Thank you [21:23] somone wants a Diaspora invite? [21:23] we need invites? [21:26] What is Diaspora? [21:27] a security nightmare [21:29] it's like facebook but with an admitted less regard? for security [21:29] "we aren't security experts" or something [21:32] Odd. It's nothing like the main page says === head_v is now known as head_victim === Tetsuo55 is now known as Guest83503