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MartijnVdSmorning everyone08:14
colin_How do i set up a cannon printer pixma mp250  on 10.10 nrm08:37
MartijnVdSjust plug it in, I guess?08:40
czajkowskiAloha10:08
daubersMorning10:09
daubersTrying to figure out how to get the Christmas tree to the recycling place10:09
daubersconsidering just wrapping it in a duvet cover10:10
popey\o/ our council collects10:11
daubersOurs will take it in the green waste.... but it needs to be chopped up and I have no axer10:11
czajkowskiwe when used to put one up, the bin company would take them after Jan 7th for free with the rest of our stuff, which was handy.10:12
czajkowskimorning10:12
daubersHah! Another government .net fail https://swapathon.co.uk/10:14
czajkowskioh my10:14
PhilTTheGreatSwapathon.BusinessLogic.Model.Common.GetTotalSwaps() in C:\Development\TheGreatSwapathon.root\TheGreatSwapathon\TheGreatSwapathon.BusinessLogic\Model\Common.cs:2610:14
daubersduvet it is I think10:16
daubersah ha!10:31
daubersTree wrapped up ready for transport10:31
czajkowskiheh10:32
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dauberstree recycled11:34
czajkowskiyay11:37
czajkowskisheet and all ?11:37
daubersNo, sheet in the wash11:39
bigcalmAfternoon peoples11:39
bigcalmThought I'd be novel and try the ubuntu software centre for installing OOo Database. That works but it doesn't include drivers to access mysql servers. No obvious way of it getting the relevent drivers though11:40
MartijnVdSDo those drivers exist at all?11:41
MartijnVdSI thought it just used JDBC/ODBC11:41
bigcalmYou get the choice, but the driver for either is not installed11:41
MartijnVdS♥ pgadmin3 ;)11:42
bigcalmThe driver class 'com.mysql.jdbc.Drivedr' could not be loaded.11:42
bigcalmI don't get on well with postgress11:42
MartijnVdSbigcalm: postgresql is a bit more strict than mysql.. which is a good thing imho :)11:42
bigcalmAnyway, this isn't a fighting match between dbs :)11:43
* BigRedS turns up late and proclaims a liking of teh idea of having arbitrry perl in his sql11:43
* popey wonders if anyone is around and fancies testing my minecraft server11:48
* popey pokes bigcalm 11:48
* bigcalm hugs popey11:48
popey11:48:04  * popey wonders if anyone is around and fancies testing my minecraft server11:49
bigcalmShoot :D11:49
bigcalmaddy?11:49
popeyone mo11:49
popeyopening port11:49
bigcalmHurry hurry!11:49
bigcalmMmmm, no time for drinks11:50
popeypopeydc.dyndns.org11:50
bigcalmI've regged a short domain name for use as a urlshortener thingy. Though I think I'll start using it for my dyndns type connections to machines11:50
bigcalmTa11:50
bigcalmpopey data centre?!11:51
popeyhah11:51
popeydot com11:51
bigcalmDoh11:51
directhexMOO12:04
bigcalmLaggy at times12:05
bigcalmhi directhex12:06
* popey spies someone selling an acer aspire revo 3610 with 4GB RAM!12:15
dwatkinsQuick! ;)12:15
directhexrams! baaaa!12:15
daubersOk, minecraft question... what the bananas is this block http://dl.dropbox.com/u/912336/Screenshot.png12:33
MartijnVdScracj12:34
MartijnVdScrack*12:34
daubersMeaning?12:34
KrisWillisCoal?12:34
daubersI can't mine it :(12:35
MartijnVdSgranite?12:35
KrisWillisMaybe you need a different tool?12:35
* KrisWillis doesn't really know *that* much about it, his brother plays it12:35
daubersI tried an iron pick, didn't work12:36
bigcalmdaubers: it is the bed rock12:36
bigcalmYou can not mine it12:36
popeyyou're at the bottom of the map12:37
popeys/map/world12:37
bigcalmIt's the lower limit of the world12:37
daubersAh, boring!12:37
bigcalmI wonder if you were to mine upwards in the Nether, would you eventually reach the bedrock?12:37
brobostigonafternoonings all.12:39
bigcalmMorning12:42
brobostigonhi bigcalm12:42
czajkowskiTheOpenSourcerer: you alive?13:16
* directhex is blogging. i'm sure i'll offend more people with this one.13:22
directhexcontains at least once goatse reference. no, don't google that if you're sweet and innocent.13:22
czajkowskinot really ubuntu friendly alright13:23
matttdirecthex: too late13:32
* mattt washes his eyes with bleach13:32
matttczajkowski: the rugby meetup sounds fun ... shame ireland are bound to lose tho :)13:34
czajkowskimattt: see now come along and watch the game and have some fun so13:35
matttwill try ... haven't been to a 6 nations game in years13:36
czajkowskiwell there is 3 months notice so no excuse to make plans13:37
issyl0Hello. :)13:46
czajkowskiissyl0: hiya13:46
issyl0czajkowski: how're you?13:47
czajkowskigrand thanks you ?13:47
issyl0Yeah, not bad.13:47
issyl0A bit cold, but that's this silly house of ours...13:48
czajkowskiwhen are you back at college?13:48
issyl0czajkowski: Wednesday. :(13:49
czajkowskinot so bad13:49
issyl0I think it's Wednesday... yeah, it is.13:49
issyl0It's better than directly Tuesday.13:50
issyl0I have a Computing exam on 13th Jan.13:50
issyl0And a French speaking exam on Wednesday at 11am.13:50
issyl0But hey ho. :)13:50
MichealHHey all13:55
czajkowskiissyl0: good luck with it13:56
MichealHWant there a meeting on the 30th that never happened?13:56
MichealH*Wasnt13:56
issyl0czajkowski: thanks :)13:57
domjohnsonHmm...just came across this thread >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10307420&posted=1 >>> and I haven't got a clue - does anyone know what the problem is (not my thread...just couldn't think what it is...)13:58
domjohnson(unless the HDD is corrupt)13:58
MichealHAh, Ubuntu Forums... I havent been there for weeks :L13:58
MichealHLet me aread it13:59
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MichealHI know I shouldnt have resorted to this but: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10307492&postcount=814:20
jpdsls: cannot access /boot/grub/grub.conf: No such file or directory14:21
MichealHPost edited14:22
MichealHDoh'14:22
jpdsMichealH: You'll also need to tweak it for GRUB 1→2 changes.14:23
MichealHjpds: And what may they be?14:24
jpdsMichealH: Like the menuentry things in grub.cfg.14:25
* MichealH looks14:26
* MichealH cant get enough of Comiz <314:30
MichealH*Compiz14:30
* MichealH aims to get at lease 300 more Support posts by 201214:32
Jorahi14:34
UFVisitor2moo14:34
Joramoo14:35
MichealHUFVisitor2: Mewwww..... :P14:35
* MichealH fails14:36
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czajkowskihmm18:07
MartijnVdSczajkowski: hmm?18:07
czajkowskiTheOpenSourcerer: oi go back and look at the stats for last couple of matches smart ass!18:07
ipopeyHmmm?18:12
czajkowskiipopey: Boo18:13
ipopeyI shrank the stats recently to reduce load on the box18:13
AzelphurHmm, python sort of question, anyone have any suggestions on how I'd check if a screen instance with the name blah was currently running?18:13
czajkowskiFolks are signing up to the Rugby meet up in March :D yay http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/615/detail/18:13
dutchieAzelphur: subprocess.popen?18:14
Azelphuryea just checking screen -l was the only way I could think of too :p18:14
MartijnVdSyou could talk to screens socket and talk its protocol18:33
MartijnVdSBut that depends on screen not changing its protocol18:33
tw3_hey all18:37
MartijnVdS\o tw3_18:37
tw3_how's it going?18:38
rhundinhello it's my first time with IRC in general, any tips?18:51
Azelphur!hi rhundin18:51
Azelphur!hi | rhundin18:52
Azelphurhmm18:52
Azelphurrhundin: thing one, bots never do what you want them to do :D18:52
nperry1hi18:52
nperry!hi18:52
nperryYour right Azelphur18:52
brobostigonevening all.18:53
shaunoI wonder how nuts that exchange looks to someone who hasn't used IRC before ;)18:53
Azelphurhaha yea, probably confusing18:53
AlanBellthe hi factoid got removed because it was overused in some channels I think18:55
shaunorhundin: it's mostly common sense.  you'll spot this way of addressing messages to one person in particular by prefixing their nick.  the other big gotcha is not pasting multi-line chunks of text (there's better ways to do that, ask if you need them).  Other than that, have fun, and beware they are as crazy as they seem :)18:58
niallHey, I just recently turned on Compiz and everything was as it should be until suddenly Nautilus lost its 'appearance' settings. Now it just looks like Win98 style grey rather than the ambiance theme. I looked in ~/ for settings related to it but found none. How would I recover the appearance without messing with Compiz?19:04
shaunoI could be horribly out of date with this, but whenever I lost my appearance settings, it was because gnome-settings-daemon wasn't running.  so be worth checking that's alive19:05
rhundinshauno: thanks!19:07
niallshauno, I believe it is running just fine.19:07
niallThe problem persists after a reboot.19:08
tejaalangridge: hi....i am having a very serious problem...i am trying to install ubuntu 10.10 from a USB...but at the Username window gets stucks...19:16
tejahi....i am having a very serious problem...i am trying to install ubuntu 10.10 from a USB...but at the Username window gets stucks...19:18
MartijnVdSit gets stuck? how exactly?19:29
DJonesMartijnVdS: He didn't hang around for somebody to help19:30
MartijnVdSDJones: ah19:32
MartijnVdSDJones: I've told irssi not to show joins/parts (because of the spamlevel)19:32
DJonesHeh19:34
shaunono idea what diaspora is, but roll on Biff: The Musical20:08
brobostigonshauno: it is a openversion of facebook.20:09
veronicahi all20:14
veronicaI have a proble with 10.10 32 bit on my macbook pro 13.3 (late 2009). Sound doesn't seem to work but when I plug in my headphones I can hear it!20:15
veronicait was working on snow leopard, but don't understand what's happening now, can anyone help?20:16
DJonesveronica: Its a bit quiet here at the minute, but stay around, hopefully when it gets a bit busier somebody may be able to help20:17
czajkowskinone of the mac users I know are online atm20:17
czajkowskiveronica: drop a line to the mailing list might be more helpful that way you dont have to wait around and someone else may be able to help20:18
czajkowskiveronica: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk20:18
DJonesThe option would be to ask in #ubuntu which is the main support channel & is a lot busier20:18
czajkowskinods20:19
DJonesThe other option would be to ask in #ubuntu which is the main support channel & is a lot busier20:19
DaraelPossibly a little late, but it doesn't seem anyone's brought it up so far, and I suspect there's a few as might be interested:  There's a thread on the mailing list where Diaspora* alpha invites are being handed out by some very nice people.20:20
AlanBelldiaspora seems very popular on the list20:34
AlanBellI was on maco's diaspora server but I haven't tried it recently20:35
directhexdiaspora is facebook for identi.ca users20:35
czajkowskiaye can't see it ever taking off20:35
czajkowskibut good luck to folks wanting it to20:35
AlanBellyeah, I can't quite see the point of it20:35
AlanBellelgg I understand, closed community facebook like system you host yourself20:36
veronicaDJones, czajkowski, thanks20:40
czajkowskivxjonny: np20:44
czajkowskibah20:44
daubersMight have to rejoin facebook soon :(20:51
* brobostigon now wishes he hadnt put his diaspora handle on the ML.20:51
czajkowskidaubers: hah20:52
brobostigonsudden reuest rush.20:53
brobostigonrequest*20:53
daubersczajkowski: :( Might also need a copy of Jono's book20:53
dauberssilly people and their silly ideas20:53
czajkowskidaubers: pdf version online20:56
daubersOoooh20:58
AlanBellso with this diaspora thing are people all running their own nodes?21:01
DaraelAlanBell: Not necessarily, but they can and it'll make little-to-no difference.21:01
zleaphi all, happy new year21:02
nperryAlanBell: No using join diaspora21:03
AlanBellso there is some central server, isn't that what it is supposed to avoid?21:04
AlanBelland if I signed up on another node should I be able to sign in on the central thing or am I tied to the one I joined on?21:05
brobostigonAlanBell: i have my doubts,everyone will be able to run their own server though, but you are right, it is meant to be more decentralised.21:05
mgdmAlanBell: there's no central server, it's just that they provide one called joindiaspora.com21:06
mgdmAlanBell: along the same lines as jabber.org21:06
bittinthanks for the Diaspora invites :)21:06
nperryAlanBell: I don't think you can log in to any node21:12
DaraelYou can't.  But you can connect with anyone on another node as easily as you can connect to your own.  It's just like XMPP/jabber in that respect.21:13
AlanBellso you have to choose your node carefully then21:13
shaunoas long as federation works, it shouldn't make a huge difference21:14
DaraelAlanBell: Certainly.  But it's all encrypted underneath in any case (GPG, I believe).21:14
AlanBellso everyone is going to sign up on joindiaspora.com, then after they get to like it they might want to run their own node21:15
AlanBellI guess you can export all your stuff and import it again into your own node21:15
DaraelThat or it's being worked on.  Certainly it was on the roadmap last time I looked at it, which was a while ago.21:15
AlanBelldoes it have an API for plugins and apps?21:16
nperryAlanBell: it *should* do21:17
AlanBelland adverts/some kind of business model?21:17
brobostigonAlanBell: my thought was a gwibber plugin.21:17
AlanBellit isn't going to go anywhere until it is farmville compatible21:18
shaunoshowing your age there man.  it's cityville now :p21:18
brobostigonAlanBell: i have my doubts they will use flash to be honest, which farmville is , if memorerty serves.21:18
brobostigonmemory*21:19
AlanBellnever played any of them myself of course21:19
brobostigonme neither,21:19
AlanBellI did look at creating an app way way back21:19
brobostigonAlanBell: diaspora can give you that opportunity now, on an open and OSS platform, rather thanclosed and shut out.21:20
DJonesAlanBell: An "App" ChickenVille?21:21
shaunolooks like it's all ruby on rails.  always gives me the impression it's going to be a bit too heavy to cohabit on my vps21:21
AlanBellDJones: good idea :)21:21
ali1234also nobody will want to contribute to the code except hipsters21:21
czajkowskibrobostigon: imo it's more closed than open, on fb I can share or not share my info with hundreds of people groups clubs on diasporia I can only share it out to few people on a single server21:21
AlanBellit was actually a little widget to show things submitted to astoryforbedtime.com21:21
brobostigonczajkowski: i agree, yes, i use facebook myself, so know,yes.21:22
brobostigonczajkowski: however i meant open, as in the opensource-ness of the underlying platform, not its capabilities.21:23
nperryshauno: Some one but a how to setup a node, followed it and seemed quick21:24
bittin Somone wants a Diaspora invite?21:25
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AlanBelland it doesn't support openID so I can't log on with launchpad21:26
nperryIts supposed to be Alpha, but I would say pre-pre-pre-alpha21:27
AlanBellit was a hopeless bag of nothing back in September21:29
DJonesWasn't Diaspora slated a few months back for having a lot security flaws21:29
AlanBelllooked like something hacked together over a wet weekend21:29
DJonesHmmh, Yes, hopefully they've improved things since this http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/9/17/alert-raised-over-diaspora-security/21:30
shaunowell, they've sure got all the buzzwords ticked off :)21:31
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* Moult-remote is searching for a diaspora invite, any available? (sorry for butting in like this not like a regular)21:48
AlanBellhi Moult-remote, you are most welcome to butt in :)21:49
AlanBelldiaspora certainly seems to be capturing the imagination of some today21:49
jonathonfMoult-remote: pm me an email address and i will send one21:50
Moult-remotethanks jonathonf  :)21:50
Moult-remotewell if it takes off, i like to watch things grow21:50
Moult-remotei'm not much of a social network user though21:50
Moult-remote(got one from jonathonf (thanks!) so no need for others to offer invites)21:51
bittinyay :)21:59
brobostigonis it possible, on android, to silence certain email thread from gmail so you dont get any notification about them ?22:17
czajkowskithe disporia one getting annoying is it :)22:17
czajkowski*diaspora22:17
brobostigonczajkowski: threads, plural. yes. :)22:17
ali1234you can say "filter messages like these", then say "mark as read" in the fitler22:18
ali1234they your phone wont go off when you get one22:18
brobostigonali1234: so i could filter anything tht contains diaspora,and auto have it marked as read. ?22:19
ali1234yeah, or moved to a folder etc22:19
brobostigonali1234: i wonder how to do it, let me look.22:19
ali1234you can also "skip the inbox"22:19
ali1234you literally just select the thread then more actions-> filter messages like these22:20
ali1234you can then edit the filter however you want22:20
brobostigonali1234: thank you,22:21
ali1234it might not guess the right filter for what you want, there is that "test search" button which is very handy22:21
ali1234i recommend setting up labels and using filters to move stuff into the labels rather than just mark as unread22:22
brobostigonali1234: is this in the standere android gmail client ?22:22
ali1234no, this is in the web client22:22
ali1234i never used it on a phone22:22
ali1234an android phone that is22:22
ali1234it works great on symbian22:23
ali1234not so good on maemo22:23
brobostigonali1234: the issue i have is as czajkowski said, android giving me notifications about diaspora from he mailing list.22:23
czajkowskibrobostigon: sign out of gmail so ?22:23
ali1234yes. if you make those emails skip the inbox, android won't notify you about them22:23
ali1234or if you mark them as read, it wont notify you22:24
czajkowskior else mute your phone or turn off notifications?22:24
czajkowskiyou do have a few options22:24
ali1234at least i assume that is how it works, that's how my phone works22:24
brobostigonczajkowski: turn off notificiations, i like that idea.22:24
ali1234signing out of gmail/muting all notifications is not an option22:24
* brobostigon scp's czajkowski a drink.22:24
brobostigonnotification sound, temp off.22:26
ali1234symbian has this great feature, you can tell it during which hours to check your email22:26
ali1234so now i don't get woken up at 3am by spam messages22:27
* czajkowski points MUTE out to people22:28
brobostigonali1234: android 2.2.1 has aquiet hoursfeature, to silent notify, anything but alarms for example. very similer idea.22:28
czajkowskiamazing feature :p22:28
ali1234no, manually muting it is crap, because you either forget to mute it, or worse, you forget to unmute it, and then people wonder why you are not answering your phone22:28
ali1234then again, on the N900 you can enable silent mode just by putting it face down on a surface22:31
czajkowskihandy22:31
brobostigonali1234: onthe n900, when i first heard about that feature, i liked it.22:31
matttwewt22:32
* mattt is trying out diaspora.cmo22:33
matttlooks a bit basic at the minute tho22:33
ali1234if you took all the good things that actually work from each smartphone and threw away the rest, you might have enough to build a really good phone22:33
ali1234nokia's hardware, symbian's bulletproof phone dialer + syncing, maemo's integrated contacts (telepathy), android's overall system integration, apple's app store and web browser... this would be the perfect phone. thoughts?22:40
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brobostigonali1234: meamo's apt thingie is better, it is apt. and use normal debian-type repo's.22:42
ali1234lol, have you actually used it?22:42
ali1234it is unbearably slow22:42
ali1234i mean it literally takes half an hour to install a package using it22:43
brobostigonali1234: yes, on my n800, but i simply find it a better way of adding apps,22:43
ali1234and you can only install them one at a time22:43
ali1234the n900 one is MUCH slower than the n800 one, because there is way more software for n90022:43
ali1234but when i said apple's app store, i meant "an app store with as much stuff in it as apple's" - not necessarily thew interface22:43
brobostigonali1234: something apt-like,like that would be perfect.22:43
ali1234i honestly don't care how it works behind the scenes :)22:44
ali1234as long as it works22:44
brobostigonali1234: i do, because if it works, it works properly underneath, aswell as onto, and is foolproff ontop aswellas below.22:45
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ali1234well, the n900 pretty much proves that doesn't work well in practice...22:45
ali1234because of bad design decisions, they took a well-working system and made it much worse, with just a few trivial mistakes22:45
brobostigonali1234: ok, put the n800's apt, then. not n900's.22:46
brobostigonrussell howards good news,bbc3, brb,22:46
ali1234if you loaded all the apple app store apps into a apt repository, and added that repository to any mobile phone that used apt, it would take DAYS to updates the sources22:46
ali1234but w/e, we can add " a good package manager" to the list... not than any existing phone has one... maybe meego+rpm will work better22:47
brobostigonLOL, this chap on buzzcocks, looks like the guy from men in black, is whose head you show off, it grows back.23:15
brobostigonshoot off*23:16
brobostigonnos da, sleep well all.23:39

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