[03:39] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck ping you around
[03:40] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck just wondering if you have had any work done on kubuntu-docs
[04:07]  * apachelogger yawns uncontrolled
[04:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: your not going to bed makes me also not go to bed
[04:07] <apachelogger> this is outrages!
[04:10]  * vorian needs to start helping again
[04:10]  * apachelogger hugs vorian
[04:10] <apachelogger> not sure if that helps
[04:10]  * apachelogger is too tired to help himself get to bed, so... ;)
[04:11] <vorian> woot, it the helps! \o/
[04:11] <vorian> nini
[04:11] <apachelogger> vorian: are you going to bed already?
[04:11] <vorian> na
[04:11] <vorian> got a few hours yet
[04:11] <apachelogger> oh, I see, you mistook my whining for me actually doing something about it ^^
[04:12] <vorian> hehe
[04:12]  * apachelogger notes that shadeslayer stays up to 4 so apachelogger needs to stay up til 9 or so
[04:12] <apachelogger> which could be a problem since I have a meeting at noon ^^
[04:12] <vorian> I stay up til 12 mountain standard time
[04:12] <vorian> which is like 6
[04:13] <apachelogger> oh, this is confusing
[04:13] <apachelogger> whoever inveted time must have been on crack
[04:14] <vorian> my vps is british
[04:14] <vorian> so, it's a tad easier to keep track
[04:14] <apachelogger> hm, why is it british though?
[04:14] <vorian> cost
[04:15]  * apachelogger kicks his kubuntu mobile install for building kernel modules against the wrong kernel
[04:15] <vorian> it was the cheepest and fastest
[04:15] <apachelogger> fair enough :)
[04:15] <vorian> yus, totally worth it
[04:15] <vorian> all I need is to get my macbook kubuntu bugs worked out
[04:16]  * vorian thinks external mouse is the key
[04:16] <apachelogger> vorian: that would be a way to start helping again I suppose? :)
[04:16] <vorian> yus!
[04:17]  * apachelogger made ktown explode earlier
[04:17] <apachelogger> should I meet with an "accident" you know why
[04:17] <vorian> oh god, my ssh key is gone
[04:18] <apachelogger> vorian: did a wookie eat it?
[04:18] <vorian> who do I contact about my svn account
[04:18] <apachelogger> valorie: ping
[04:18] <apachelogger> vorian: kde svn?
[04:18] <vorian> yus
[04:18] <apachelogger> sysadmins
[04:18] <apachelogger> see footer of bugs.kde.org
[04:18] <vorian> okie dokie
[04:18] <apachelogger> might be that this stuff is now handled via identity.kde.org though
[04:19] <apachelogger> so you should first update that to make things go faster
[04:19] <apachelogger> then they technically should just need to run some syn script I understand
[04:19] <vorian> I see
[04:19]  * vorian is trying identity right now
[04:21] <vorian> no matching email :/
[04:21] <apachelogger> :O
[04:21] <apachelogger> sec
[04:22] <apachelogger> stalcup    Steve Stalcup                  vorian@kubuntu.org
[04:22] <vorian> oh noes
[04:22]  * vorian has no @kubuntu any more
[04:24] <apachelogger> then just file a sysadmin request
[04:26] <vorian> on irc or on bugs?
[04:26] <apachelogger> vorian: bugs
[04:26] <vorian> kk
[04:26] <apachelogger> though I suppose irc is fine too if someone has time
[04:26]  * apachelogger reboot kubuntu mobile and hopes it will not explode
[04:26] <vorian> I'll do bugs
[04:28] <apachelogger> hahaha
[04:28] <apachelogger> rofl
[04:28] <apachelogger> silly kde login sound on n900
[04:28] <apachelogger> this is epic :D
[04:41] <apachelogger> openssh just ate my n900 -.-
[04:49] <valorie> apachelogger: pong
[04:49] <apachelogger> valorie: are you running phonon-gstreamer now?
[04:50] <valorie> not at this second, but I will switch if you like
[04:50] <apachelogger> would be good to have testing of the git version
[04:50] <valorie> oh, I didn't build it yet
[04:50] <valorie> so I have only the packaged version
[04:51] <valorie> are you done with your git commit madness?
[04:51] <valorie> which I enjoyed btw
[04:51] <valorie> do I need to also build Gstreamer?
[04:51] <valorie> or will phonon-gst work with Gst from packages?
[04:52] <apachelogger> no gstreamer needed
[04:52] <apachelogger> we are not qtgstreamer, we actually consider what users and distros will have already avilable :P
[04:53] <apachelogger> actually phonon-gst should even compile on stable debian
[04:53] <apachelogger> i.e. super old gstreamer ;)
[04:53] <valorie> ok
[04:53] <apachelogger> like ancient
[04:56] <vorian> from this moment on I am 100% Kubuntu/KDE
[04:57]  * apachelogger hugs vorian and valorie
[04:58]  * apachelogger is soon 100% fedora, but no one must know about this
[04:58] <apachelogger> oh, I actually wrote that
[04:58] <apachelogger> whoops 
[04:59] <valorie> lol
[05:01] <valorie> apachelogger: is the git address git://anongit.kde.org/phonon-gstreamer ?
[05:01] <apachelogger> yes
[05:01] <valorie> danke
[05:01] <apachelogger> de rien
[05:03] <valorie> and cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr is the same?
[05:03]  * apachelogger yep
[05:03] <apachelogger> valorie: you might need apt-get build-dep phonon
[05:04] <valorie> ah
[05:04] <valorie> because: 
[05:04] <valorie> :~/kde/src/phonon-gstreamer/build$ sudo make install
[05:04] <valorie> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[05:04] <apachelogger> valorie: you should always read what cmake had to say :)
[05:04] <apachelogger> usually it will tell you at the bottom if something went wrong
[05:06] <valorie> ok, did the build-dep, but it's still saying that it doesn't have a target for install?
[05:06] <apachelogger> you need to rerun cmake
[05:06] <valorie> ok
[05:07] <valorie> of course, duh!
[05:07]  * apachelogger will now break his newly created kubuntu mobile
[05:07] <valorie> Congratulations! All external packages have been found.
[05:07] <valorie> :-)
[05:09]  * apachelogger congratulates pyth0rn on eating his cpu
[05:10] <vorian> I love that
[05:10] <valorie> when I run 
[05:10] <valorie> kbuildsycoca4 running...
[05:10] <valorie> kbuildsycoca4(8877) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry Categories in "/usr/share/applications/im-switch.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon).
[05:10] <valorie> always get that same error
[05:10] <vorian> easy fixor
[05:11] <valorie> someone should add that trailing semicolon
[05:11] <valorie> lol
[05:11]  * apachelogger wonders what silly thin im-switch could be
[05:11]  * valorie switches to gst and amarok crashes....
[05:12] <apachelogger> well
[05:12] <apachelogger> that is a phonon bug
[05:12] <apachelogger> will be fixed in 4.5
[05:12] <apachelogger> as backend switching will no longer will be done instantly
[05:12] <apachelogger> but only on app restart
[05:13] <valorie> I did update phonon, vlc, phonon-vlc before I built gst
[05:13] <valorie> normally I do quit and restart
[05:13] <valorie> backend switching has never worked well unless I do
[05:14] <apachelogger> I know
[05:14] <apachelogger> because it requires code on the backend part
[05:14] <apachelogger> and that was only ever implemented for xine
[05:14] <valorie> well, shit
[05:15] <valorie> gst crashes as soon as I press play
[05:15] <valorie> :(
[05:15] <apachelogger> get output then
[05:15] <apachelogger> as I asked in that bug :P
[05:15] <apachelogger> because I only know you crash as absolutely random
[05:15] <valorie> amarok:     [ERROR__] [MySqlStorage] "GREPME MySQLe query failed! (1030) Got error 9 from storage engine on INSERT INTO directories(deviceid,changedate,dir) VALUES (-1,1290229287,'./home/valorie/Music/Sara Bareilles/');" 
[05:15] <apachelogger> and never ever reproducible
[05:15] <valorie> this is a new one
[05:15] <apachelogger> oh
[05:16] <valorie> haven't ever seen that before
[05:16] <apachelogger> that is not from phonon :P
[05:16] <apachelogger> phew
[05:16] <valorie> nope
[05:16] <valorie> I'll run in gdb, since Dr. K was unable to start up
[05:16] <apachelogger> well
[05:17] <apachelogger> I doubt that will help with that sort of error
[05:17] <apachelogger> as the error probably caused the crash
[05:17] <apachelogger> its fun to stay at the ymca
[05:19] <valorie> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[05:19] <valorie> Phonon::Gstreamer::Backend::logMessage (this=0x0, message=..., priority=2, obj=0x9c0c00)
[05:19] <valorie>     at ../../gstreamer/backend.cpp:466
[05:19] <valorie> 466     ../../gstreamer/backend.cpp: No such file or directory.
[05:19] <valorie>         in ../../gstreamer/backend.cpp
[05:19] <valorie> sec
[05:19] <apachelogger> hm
[05:19]  * apachelogger has tab overload
[05:22] <valorie> that was right before the crash
[05:23] <apachelogger> what is odd about this is that this is 0
[05:23] <valorie> bt: http://pastebin.ca/2037500
[05:24] <apachelogger> yeah, that is not useful in this cse
[05:24] <valorie> :(
[05:24] <apachelogger> valorie: debug output is what I need :)
[05:24]  * apachelogger needs to know why this is 0
[05:24] <apachelogger> oh
[05:24] <apachelogger> ehm
[05:24] <apachelogger> yes
[05:24] <valorie> well, I added those lines to my rc file
[05:24] <apachelogger> valorie: not rc
[05:24] <apachelogger> in a shell
[05:25] <apachelogger> you need to run the exports
[05:25] <apachelogger> and then start amarok
[05:25] <valorie> ok, will do
[05:25] <apachelogger> export sets an envrionmental variable for the shell
[05:25] <apachelogger> which is then inherited by any application you start in that shell
[05:25] <apachelogger> consequently amarok (and thus phonon as it is part of amarok's context) get the vars
[05:27] <valorie> very quick crash, and Dr. K is getting the bt
[05:27] <valorie> should I post it in that bug?
[05:27] <valorie> or pastebin
[05:28] <apachelogger> valorie: I need the console output
[05:28] <apachelogger> backtrace is always the same anyway
[05:29] <valorie> oh, ok
[05:30] <valorie> http://pastebin.ca/2037504
[05:30] <valorie> I think it's missing the beginning of the output though
[05:30] <valorie> that was as much as I could get
[05:34] <apachelogger> hmmmm
[05:34] <apachelogger> "PGST(1): Source type not currently supported  (MediaObject 0x205be80)" 
[05:34] <apachelogger> "PGST(2): Begin source load  (MediaObject 0x205be80)"
[05:35] <apachelogger> lets see
[05:39] <apachelogger> oh
[05:39] <apachelogger> I cannot get rid of mp3 support
[05:39] <apachelogger> thats a first
[05:40] <apachelogger> aha!
[05:40] <apachelogger> ha!
[05:40] <apachelogger> hahaha!
[05:40] <apachelogger> valorie: got it
[05:40] <apachelogger> bingo
[05:40] <apachelogger> kaboom
[05:41] <apachelogger> valorie: missing mp3 support is the cause of evil
[05:41] <apachelogger> not that I had the slightest idea what is going wrong internally that causes the crash
[05:41] <apachelogger> but I can reproduce it
[05:42] <apachelogger> valorie: thanks for the log
[07:24] <Kubuntiac> I notice on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo "Ensure we have latest KOffice, KDevelop, Amarok etc"
[07:25] <Kubuntiac> Packages just came out for Koffice... 2.30 beta. So the plan is still to get 2.3 Final in for Natty?
[07:25] <Kubuntiac> (at least I assume 2.30b = 2.3 beta)
[07:26] <valorie> so to continue on what apachelogger and I were doing -- crash is instant if I try to play an mp3 without the needed codecs for the gst backend
[07:27] <valorie> they aren't in kubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:27] <valorie> and I suggest they be put there
[07:27] <Kubuntiac> +1
[07:27] <valorie> if gst and vlc are going to be the suggested
[07:28] <valorie> AND, maybe that package should be recommended with installation of the backend 
[07:28] <valorie> since most people want to play mp3
[07:28] <valorie> I usually play ogg, but these happen to be mp3
[07:29] <valorie> since everyone is asleep, I guess I'll write to the devel list
[11:17] <ghostcube> happy new year to all :)
[11:18] <valorie> happy new year to you, ghostcube
[11:19] <valorie> I'm just trying out spideroak for backup
[11:20] <valorie> kpackagekit couldn't install it
[11:59] <ScottK> Kubuntiac: 2.30b (for koffice) is 2.30 final, it just took a couple of tries to get to the final tars.
[12:17]  * ScottK marked the bug for KDE SC 4.4.5 update in Lucid "verification-done".
[12:17]  * ScottK waits for pitti to copy it to -updates and crosses fingers.
[13:03] <vorian> 13
[13:43] <shadeslayer> 14 
[13:43] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:48] <rbelem> afiestas, ping
[13:57] <shadeslayer> googles spam filter is the fail
[14:01] <ScottK> apachelogger: I got the nightly build stuff ~working, but no luck getting it to do parallel builds (I think if I got that ice cream would work).
[14:01] <ScottK> note: didn't make a debian package for it yet, just beating on the upstream scripts (from kdesvn)
[14:10] <afiestas> rbelem: pong
[14:11] <ScottK> afiestas: Have you gotten a chance to work on the X config stuff we discussed with RAOF yet?
[14:11] <afiestas> nope :/
[14:11] <ScottK> OK.
[14:11] <rbelem> afiestas, what do you think should I do about the nfs fileshare?
[14:12] <afiestas> well, I don't have a strong opinion about nfs right now
[14:12] <afiestas> but I do think that would be nice to improve the feature instead of removing it
[14:13] <Riddell> I'm all for scrapping the NFS code, it's ugly, unused and a potential security risk
[14:13] <afiestas> well, maybe we can rework it
[14:13] <ScottK> afiestas: I think "Use system NFS mounts" is a reasonable answer.
[14:14] <afiestas> for example, by using KAuth+mount so no ugly suids are installed
[14:14] <Riddell> why?  NFS isn't ment to be a user protocol
[14:14] <Riddell> better to use protocols which are designed for the job like SMB and webdav
[14:14] <rbelem> to make it more secure we need ipsec, nfsv4 and changes on /etc/hosts.{allow,deny}
[14:15] <rbelem> Riddell, i already started to add the webdav support :-)
[14:15] <Riddell> ooh?
[14:15] <Riddell> how?
[14:16] <afiestas> rbelem: all I said was "Just let's take 5min before remove anything"
[14:16] <afiestas> if you already did (as it seems) go ahead :p
[14:17] <Riddell> I mean it'll need a server first with an interface for adding and removing shares
[14:17] <rbelem> Riddell, starting apache on unprivileged port with mdns module :-)
[14:17] <freinhard> hi!
[14:18] <Riddell> rbelem: that sounds clever
[14:18] <rbelem> Riddell, by default it shares the ~/Public
[14:18] <Riddell> hi freinhard 
[14:18] <rbelem> Riddell, i took a look in the gnome implementation :-D
[14:19] <rbelem> afiestas, i already removed, but if most of people vote for nfs to stay I can update the patch
[14:20] <freinhard> anyone packaging digikam 1.7.0 for beta-backports
[14:21] <rbelem> afiestas, btw gnome removed nfs fileshare some time ago
[14:22] <Riddell> freinhard: not that I know of
[14:22] <ScottK> Gnome removes all kind of useful stuff.  Even though I agree in this case, that's not much of a reason.
[14:22] <rbelem> eheh :-D
[14:23] <Riddell> rbelem: do you need me to get the patch into svn?
[14:24] <Quintasan> \o
[14:24] <rbelem> Riddell, nope :-) I just need run some tests
[14:24] <rbelem> Riddell, the first patch, ksambashare, is already there :-D \o/ \o/ \o/ 
[14:27] <rbelem> Riddell, afiestas, i will send a mail to the nfs thread saying that i'm going ahead to remove it, ok?
[14:29] <Riddell> rbelem: good with me
[14:29] <Riddell> rbelem: can you e-mail me the patches then to include in our packages and I'll get those in on Wednesday
[14:29] <afiestas> rbelem: +1
[14:29] <apachelogger> rbelem: did you see sehytans kcm mockup for sharing?
[14:30] <rbelem> apachelogger, nope
[14:30] <Riddell> I haven't seen sheytan for a while
[14:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: that is because you were not around this weekend :P
[14:31] <apachelogger> rbelem: http://i.imgur.com/eYxQm.png
[14:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: he was around yesterday
[14:33] <rbelem> apachelogger, nice! :-D
[14:33] <ScottK> Riddell: This is a reminder about having a chat with cjwatson re how to deal with seeds for kubuntu/kubuntu-mobile.  I think I'm close to wanting to make a kubuntu-mobile-n900 metapackage and it'd be nice to know the general plan first.
[14:33] <apachelogger> rbelem: I was sort of suggesting that you will now implement that :P
[14:34] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, still have that on my mind, can also add to my wednesday todo list
[14:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[14:34] <rbelem> apachelogger, but some stuff are a little bit complicated, like cd/dvd sharing
[14:35] <rbelem> apachelogger, need to check which are possible
[14:35] <apachelogger> yeah, scratch that
[14:36] <apachelogger> rbelem: primarily having the interface would be good ;)
[14:36] <apachelogger> even when limited to smb provided sharing services
[14:36] <apachelogger> (namely file and print)
[14:36] <rbelem> apachelogger, for internet connection share, connman manages better. It has a an iptables module
[14:36] <rbelem> apachelogger, :-D
[14:37] <apachelogger> we should just use connman :P
[14:37] <apachelogger> for all of kubuntu
[14:37] <apachelogger> our users will love us
[14:37] <apachelogger> first we introduce broken nm integration, then we swtich to broken connman integration :D :D :D
[14:37] <ScottK> Ubuntu will eventually switch, so we need to start thinking about it.
[14:37] <apachelogger> oh noes
[14:38] <apachelogger> how will we find someone wicked enough to do the porting
[14:38] <rbelem> ScottK, when will we talk to cjwatson?
[14:38] <apachelogger> OTOH IIRC meego has some sort of connman qt library
[14:38] <ScottK> rbelem: I think Riddell will handle it.
[14:38] <rbelem> ScottK, cool :-)
[14:38] <ScottK> apachelogger: They must have something since that's the target it's developed for.
[14:39] <apachelogger> yeah, just wondering how much use that would be to us
[14:40] <rbelem> apachelogger, ScottK, i'm working with connman bluetooth
[14:40] <ScottK> Nice.
[14:41] <rbelem> tomorrow I could feedback about the qt interface for it
[15:11] <ScottK> Riddell: I was thinking about all the -dev depends we add to kdepim-dev.  Now that we build with "ld --no-add-needed", I think we ought to drop that.  Any packages that need those -dev packages will have to explicitly link against them and should have them in their build-depends directly.
[15:15] <ScottK> Meh.  Nevermind.
[15:15] <ScottK> I was thinking of something else.
[16:21] <dantti> Riddell: hey :) did you got my message about a Qt patch?
[16:35] <Riddell> dantti: don't think so
[16:36] <dantti> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/Sic7X8jV
[16:37] <dantti> Riddell: kpackagekit crashes when there is a huge list, and david faure traced the bug to this spot, he said he would open a bug in Qt but while it's not fixed....
[16:47] <Riddell> thanks dantti, will take a look on wednesday
[16:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: group selection using ctrl in muon would be nice
[16:52] <droidslayer> apachelogger: QML is the shit
[16:52] <apachelogger> how so?
[16:52] <hunger> droidslayer: shit or hit?
[16:52] <droidslayer> uses ETOOMUCHMEMORY 
[16:52] <droidslayer> hunger: former
[16:52] <maco> wait... "the shit" or "shit"? because these are opposite things
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yeah that's on the todo list. Requires a bit of changing on how the details for each package are activated
[16:53] <hunger> droidslayer: I guess it depends a lot on how it is used.
[16:54] <droidslayer> apachelogger: apparently it will use a new JS engine every time a new tab page is opened
[16:54] <apachelogger> droidslayer: how is that?
[16:54] <apachelogger> depends on how it is implemented one would suppose
[16:54] <droidslayer> apachelogger: js engine is not reusable
[16:54] <apachelogger> but generally I would assume that every tab embeds their own qwebgraphics thing
[16:55] <apachelogger> and separated js makes sense anyway
[16:55] <apachelogger> for security reasons
[16:58] <apachelogger> hm
[16:59] <apachelogger> hmmmmm
[16:59] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: what happens when one builds kwin-gles with both gl and gles installed?
[16:59]  * apachelogger notes that currently Qt will drag in gl
[16:59] <mgraesslin> gles is picked
[16:59] <mgraesslin> no problem works with mesa
[16:59] <mgraesslin> I don't understand why, but it works
[16:59] <apachelogger> ok
[16:59] <apachelogger> ^^
[17:00] <mgraesslin> my ultimative plan is to make the compositor a library which is built ones against GL and once against GLES
[17:00] <apachelogger> that would sound handy
[17:00] <mgraesslin> and then have an external app to try which one works and pick the right one at runtime
[17:00] <apachelogger> *nod*
[17:07] <apachelogger> ahh
[17:07] <apachelogger> ctest
[17:07] <apachelogger> meh
[17:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: BTW, my KDE nightly build seems to be ice creaming now.
[17:11] <apachelogger> sweet
[17:11] <apachelogger> so we only need to make it work without you giving the scripts a beatin' :D
[17:12] <ScottK> I'm going to have to get a bigger hard drive though.
[17:12] <ScottK> yes
[17:28] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1211320 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/Application.cpp Don't bother creating a temporary named variable in this function
[17:28] <highvoltage> ice creaming \o/
[17:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: as long as it is fast :D
[17:42]  * apachelogger is wondering why the kwin-gles build runs ctest
[17:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'll probably leave /var/cache on the 16 GB USB stick on that machine and then add an external HD to one of the others to host the nightly builds.
[17:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: do you want to do nightlies on box1?
[17:43]  * apachelogger would do nightlies on box3 with -j3
[17:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: It doesn't matter much which it is, we just need to pick one.
[17:43]  * apachelogger would also ask a minion to write a script for the nightly builds
[17:44] <apachelogger> ScottK: box3 
[17:44] <apachelogger> my screen names box 3 KDE 1 or somesuch ^^
[17:44] <ScottK> OK.
[17:44] <ScottK> The one at .101.
[17:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: 110
[17:45] <ScottK> Right.
[17:45] <ScottK> OK.  I meant .111 in any case, but .110 is fine.
[17:45] <apachelogger> 111 is slave to 110, clearly :D
[17:47] <ScottK> ;-)
[17:59] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: do you also get ctest when building kwin-gles?
[18:00] <mgraesslin> ctest?
[18:06] <yofel> hm, anyone an idea why our natty bootsplash looks like it can't do anti-aliasing? http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/20110103_002.jpg
[18:07] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1211331 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/CMakeLists.txt Version bump for the impending 1.0.5 release
[18:08] <maco> Riddell: the bug that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/+bug/673038 was blocking on was fixed a day after you commented
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I like how precise releaseme is: "fr"=>85.9934853420195
[18:10] <ScottK> maco: Are you in PA or DC these days?
[18:11] <maco> ScottK: today im in NY. tonight i'll be in PA. thursday & friday I'll be in MD for a job interview
[18:12] <ScottK> maco: Next time you're in the area on a weekend you might want to check out http://bookthing.org/ - My wife took me there last weekend and it was pretty cool.
[18:12] <ScottK> crimsun: ^^^ You too.
[18:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you could do matrices magic with it ;) 
[18:13] <apachelogger> maco: in PA, are you visiting lennart?
[18:13] <apachelogger> :D :D :D :D
[18:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: Wrong PA.
[18:13] <apachelogger> aww
[18:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: sorting by name in a search still does not work btw
[18:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: omg omg
[18:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i haz a blog
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it sorts by relevance
[18:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kshadeslayer.wordpress.com
[18:31] <apachelogger> does it feature nakkid pics?
[18:32] <shadeslayer> a empty blog
[18:32] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:32] <apachelogger> that is jolly boring :P
[18:32] <shadeslayer> i also own rohangarg.wordpress.com
[18:32] <shadeslayer> altho i never got around to using that domain name
[18:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yeah, but if the arrow thingy in the top bar indicates that it is sorted by name then it shall be sorting by name
[18:32] <apachelogger> additionally someone who knows what he is looking for will not care about relevance as that is completely bogus at times
[18:33] <apachelogger> like with gstreamer ;)
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> but I can't sort by relevance unless sorting is enabled
[18:33] <apachelogger> dbgsyms apparently have a higher relevance than plugins
[18:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, it still is false indication
[18:34] <apachelogger> maybe add a column with relevance?
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> but that would be an empty column
[18:34] <apachelogger> you cannot query the relevance?
[18:34] <apachelogger> I mean
[18:34] <apachelogger> what are you sorting by?
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> the relevance of the search terms as returned by the xapian search
[18:35] <apachelogger> and that cannot be stuffed into a column?
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> there isn't anything to stuff
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> it's the order the packages are returned in
[18:35] <apachelogger> nice
[18:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well
[18:36] <apachelogger> that is information, is it not? :P
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> ....which is shown by placing the packages in the proper order
[18:36] <apachelogger> relevance: {1000,999, 998...}
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> It would probably be better to change the column name
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> than to place another column with useless info
[18:37] <apachelogger> well
[18:37] <apachelogger> it would still not allow sorting by name
[18:37]  * apachelogger cannot use relveance sorting
[18:37] <apachelogger> impossible to find anything with ddebs repo enabled
[18:41] <dantti> Riddell: please upload it with kde 4.6 and maybe natty :D http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=84745
[18:42] <shadeslayer> so like ....
[18:42] <shadeslayer> its official
[18:42] <shadeslayer> i wont be attending next UDS :P
[18:43] <shadeslayer> blame this : http://www.itmindia.edu/academiccalendar/Detailed%20even%20sem%20%20Academic%20calendar%20for%20MDU%20%202010-11.pdf
[18:43] <highvoltage> shadeslayer: hmm?
[18:43]  * apachelogger blames this
[18:43] <highvoltage> ah, stupid school!
[18:44] <shadeslayer> yep
[18:44] <shadeslayer> exams right during UDS
[18:45] <shadeslayer> i cannot get these postponed ^_^
[18:48] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1211342 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/CMakeLists.txt Forgot to bump this
[18:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are just afraid
[19:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you need a bumper script
[19:02]  * apachelogger notes that releaseme2 with its improved hook capabilities will be able to do that sorta stuff ^^
[19:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: otoh i can go to conf.kde.in
[19:05] <shadeslayer> i can bunk the college fest :>
[19:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, but there is no ScottK to assign you work :P
[19:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :P
[19:06] <shadeslayer> he can assign me work over IRC :P
[19:06] <apachelogger> which is not very effective as you are always busy :P
[19:09]  * apachelogger just wanted to :wq the ubuntu wiki :O
[19:09] <apachelogger> I should have gone to bed earlier
[19:11]  * yofel wonders what he broke now...
[19:13] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Going to conf.kde.in would be nice.  Coming back with something useful accomplished would be even better.  Please plan on demoing kubuntu-mobile on your n900.
[19:14] <apachelogger> :D
[19:14] <apachelogger> lovely
[19:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: when will we get dailies for kubuntu-mobile natty?
[19:23] <ScottK> apachelogger: Someone would need to set that up.
[19:24] <ScottK> apachelogger: Do you mean ISO images?
[19:25] <apachelogger> well
[19:25] <apachelogger> img images
[19:25] <apachelogger> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-mobile/ports/daily-preinstalled/current/
[19:27] <ScottK> Ah.  Right.
[19:28] <ScottK> I think that needs cjwatson back from vacation.
[19:28] <ScottK> I'll talk to him about that after Riddell talks to him about seeds.
[19:31] <apachelogger> kthx
[19:33] <maco> hrmph
[19:33] <maco> im making a natty pbuilder and its stuck on              I: Unpacking makedev...
[19:39] <apachelogger> this issue is unkown to apachelogger
[19:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: oh, we probably need to clone the pbuilder setup from box1 to kde1
[19:46] <ScottK> Certainly.
[19:46] <ScottK> Need to get the new hard drive first.
[19:46] <apachelogger> also I am not sure we have the no sync() hook yet
[19:46] <apachelogger> which should be very healty for arm
[19:47] <ScottK> That would be nice.
[19:47]  * apachelogger gives the upgrade to natty one last chance
[19:47]  * apachelogger hopes that the n900 battery will last long enough :D
[19:48] <apachelogger> doesnt seem to charge over usb with our kernel
[19:50] <apachelogger> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[19:50] <apachelogger> No new release found
[19:50] <apachelogger> right
[19:50] <apachelogger> -.-
[19:53] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1211351 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/AvailableView.cpp We don't use this pointer at any other time in this function other than stuffing it into a list, so don't bother giving it a name.
[19:55] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1211352 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/backend.cpp SVN_SILENT: Whitespace
[20:00] <apachelogger> -rw-r--r-- 1 me me 8.5M Jan  3 20:59 ../kde-window-manager-gles_0.0+gita5cba06-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[20:00] <apachelogger> :D
[20:00] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: ^
[20:00] <mgraesslin> :-D
[20:01] <mgraesslin> awesome
[20:01] <Quintasan> lol I quit facebook
[20:01] <apachelogger> Quintasan: boring
[20:02] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: does it need solid, ksysguard and all that plunder?
[20:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: facebook, or quitting it?
[20:02] <apachelogger> Quintasan: both
[20:02] <mgraesslin> I'm not sure what KWin actually needs
[20:02] <apachelogger> ^^
[20:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: You get beer at UDS
[20:02] <mgraesslin> it should work without ksysguard and solid
[20:03] <mgraesslin> it needs kworkspace libs
[20:03] <apachelogger> hm
[20:03] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: but it could just use the regular kworkkspace lib?
[20:03] <mgraesslin> yes
[20:03] <apachelogger> ok
[20:03] <mgraesslin> everything regular should be fine
[20:03] <apachelogger> need to look into this tomorrow then
[20:09] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1211356 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/icons/hi256-app-muon.png optimizegraphics: Losslessly optimized PNG and SVGZ files with "optipng -o5" and "advdef -z -4". Reduced disk space: 4KB (0MB)
[20:31] <sheytan> apachelogger you like new stuff, right?:D
[20:31] <sheytan> shadeslayer you too, right? :D
[20:31] <Quintasan> give it give it
[20:32] <sheytan> Quintasan, apachelogger, shadeslayer: me wish this in kubuntu: http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7826/firstrun.jpg
[20:33]  * apachelogger smashes his keyboard
[20:33] <Quintasan> oh easy
[20:33] <Quintasan> get apachelogger to code it in Python
[20:33] <apachelogger> this insane flipping darth vader damn crap shoot pyth0rn
[20:33] <Quintasan> sheytan: ^
[20:33] <apachelogger> I shall eat them all
[20:33] <apachelogger> and then poops all over the other pyth0rns
[20:34]  * apachelogger stops doing mobile shit for today as everything in you bun too is made out of pyth0rn and thus not working
[20:34] <apachelogger> sheytan: not gonna happen
[20:34] <sheytan> why? :(
[20:34] <apachelogger> sheytan: hurts user experience
[20:34] <Quintasan> sheytan: logic, he will code it within few hours
[20:34]  * maco gives apachelogger cookies with sugary sprinkles on top
[20:34] <apachelogger> that should be done while installation
[20:35] <apachelogger> not between installation and first use
[20:35] <sheytan> apachelogger this sure can be there
[20:35] <sheytan> no matter for me
[20:35] <sheytan> matter is that installer will allow this
[20:35] <apachelogger> well
[20:35] <apachelogger> the you bun too installer did this (at leasf ro a while)
[20:35] <apachelogger> with windows settings at least
[20:35] <apachelogger> so it is absolutely possible
[20:35] <sheytan> imagine you can transfer all KDE settings (desktop, apps) to your new installation. How easier it would be for us
[20:35] <apachelogger> roman just needs to implement it ;)
[20:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Ain't the installer Python magic as well?
[20:36] <apachelogger> which is why I am not going to touch it
[20:36] <apachelogger> even the upgrade thing refuses to do anything
[20:36] <Quintasan> I always though Python stuff is apachelogger's area of expertise
[20:36] <apachelogger> ah
[20:37] <apachelogger> the launchpad login experience
[20:37] <apachelogger> awesome
[20:37] <Quintasan>  [trollface]
[20:37] <apachelogger> it is like awesome
[20:37] <apachelogger> or like awesome
[20:37] <Quintasan> OHSHI- KDEBINDINGS ARE BUILDING
[20:37] <apachelogger> sheytan: shtylman@gmail.com drop him na email since he is not arround it seems
[20:38] <apachelogger> sheytan: why does it make things easier for us btw?
[20:38] <Quintasan> OH MY GOD IT WORKS
[20:38] <Quintasan> yofel: HERP DERP UPLOADING
[20:38] <yofel> XD
[20:39] <sheytan> apachelogger if you have to configure your desktop and apps, with lots of changes like me, then it saves me 4 days of that game :)
[20:40] <apachelogger> do you get new machines that often? ^^
[20:40]  * apachelogger notes that some time back someone worked on transiting KDE configs with a tool, never got stable AFAIK
[20:40] <sheytan> no, but if you do, you save time :)
[20:41] <apachelogger> not an untrivial thing
[20:41] <apachelogger> should be discussed at UDS if we want to have that
[20:41] <sheytan> yeah, Ivan C. what working on something like this
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> ulysses: http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2010/12/21/muon-suite-1-1-beta-2/ <- localization for MSC should work in this release
[20:49]  * JontheEchidna goes off to play video games
[21:02] <shadeslayer> ScottK: only if Nightrose can get me one .... i dont have a N900 :PO
[21:02] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Didn't you just buy a shiny new phone?  Why was it not something useful?
[21:02] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i got a HTC Desure
[21:02] <shadeslayer> *Desire
[21:03] <shadeslayer> i will be working on getting plasma mobile on  it tho :>
[21:03] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i can install Chroots on my desire ... current instructions are for karmic tho
[21:03] <shadeslayer> so ... will be working on that in another 2-3 days
[21:03] <ScottK> Sigh.  When did we pick that for a Natty target?
[21:04]  * ScottK will remind shadeslayer that at UDS we said we wanted N900.
[21:05] <maco> i keep reading "desire" as the female name "desiree"
[21:05] <shadeslayer> sheytan: nice ... now there is a project called kwelcomewidget which can possible use that :)
[21:05] <shadeslayer> ScottK: N900 is old hardware .. i needed something fresh and snappy
[21:05] <shadeslayer> ScottK: apachelogger himself says plasma-mobile crappy 
[21:05] <shadeslayer> +is
[21:06] <apachelogger> no
[21:06]  * maco thinks we have different ideas of "old" for phones
[21:06] <shadeslayer> ScottK: it shouldnt be difficult ... ill show you wait
[21:06] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Which is why you should work on it.  It's not a finished thing.
[21:06] <apachelogger> I say that libplasma is inefficient
[21:06] <apachelogger> which is totally fixable
[21:06] <ScottK> shadeslayer: OK.  What are you coming back from the conf.kde.in with then?
[21:07] <shadeslayer> ScottK: well ... ill be QA'ing Project Neon heavily there :?
[21:07] <shadeslayer> :>
[21:07] <shadeslayer> and possibly minions
[21:07] <shadeslayer> ScottK: apachelogger so if you read this http://nexusonehacks.net/nexus-one-hacks/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-your-nexus-oneandroid/
[21:08] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Did you see asac blogged on this topic?
[21:08] <shadeslayer> i think we can switch lxde with ..... plasma-mobile :)
[21:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: that is a different post iirc
[21:08] <ScottK> shadeslayer: #lubuntu is another channel.
[21:08] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes, if you're going to do it, I'd follow his instructions.
[21:09] <shadeslayer> err.. no ... im saying he blogged about something else
[21:10] <shadeslayer> cant remember what tho
[21:10] <shadeslayer> possibly adb and ubuntu foo
[21:11] <shadeslayer> ScottK: would you like me to preview something at conf.kde.in?
[21:11] <shadeslayer> apart from plasma-mobile and Neon
[21:12] <shadeslayer> im doing a QGraphicsWebView session as well possibly
[21:13]  * ScottK supposes with that incredibly huge laptop to lug around and the weakness of youth today you'll be too tired for much else.
[21:14] <shadeslayer> interesting
[21:15] <shadeslayer> ScottK: apparently we can haz linaro gcc for android ... thats what his blog is about
[21:15] <shadeslayer> which means
[21:15] <shadeslayer> i can haz linaro stack running on my phone
[21:15] <shadeslayer> nice
[21:16] <shadeslayer> i shall poke him asking if plasma mobile can be run
[22:05] <droidslayer> ScottK: BTW what would it be to get plasma mobile to work on just device....  instead it would have been better if we could get it running on a range of devices... 
[22:06] <droidslayer> *what fun would it be 
[23:04] <ScottK> droidslayer: Sure.  Walk before you run however.
[23:04] <ScottK> apachelogger_: Look at /sdb on the .110 machine.
[23:05] <ScottK> Still needs configuring.
[23:08] <droidslayer> ScottK: yeah.. for eg need to slim down the ROM size
[23:19] <droidslayer_> I think ill buy a arduino... this week