[00:17] <Guest3877> hi all. I need help to get my gfx card working in 11.04
[00:18] <holstein> Guest3877: did you find a bug report?
[00:18] <holstein> id try safe graphics mode
[00:18] <holstein> nomodeset or whatever
[00:18] <penguin42> which graphics card and how far does it get before failing?
[00:18] <holstein> that wont get you in to unity though
[00:19] <Guest3877> no but some got also problems with ati radeon
[00:19] <holstein> drag :/
[00:19] <Guest3877> its a nvidia card
[00:30] <penguin42> Guest3877: And how far it does it get?
[00:35] <Guest3877> doesnt load unity
[00:36] <Daekdroom> What card is it, Guest3877?
[00:36] <penguin42> so you see the grub boot menu, and you see the login screen?
[00:36] <Daekdroom> (model and brand
[00:36] <Guest3877> nvidia 5200fx
[00:37] <bjsnider> that piece of garbage should be using the nvidia-177 driver
[00:37] <Daekdroom> Guest3877, have you tried installing the driver for it in system > adm > hardware drivers?
[00:37] <bjsnider> sorry, 173
[00:38] <Daekdroom> Since unity doesn't load, go for classic gnome to install it.
[00:38] <Daekdroom> then reboot.
[00:38] <Guest3877> penguin: yes i see those prompts but no desktop bar when everything is loaded
[00:38] <penguin42> ok
[00:39] <Guest3877> what i find odd is 3d support was working (i think) in 10.10
[00:41] <penguin42> Guest3877: It always screws up on nvidia across new versions
[00:43] <Guest3877> even hibernation was and still a problem with the current graphic card
[00:46] <bjsnider> that graphics card isn't worth its weight in manure
[00:46] <bjsnider> it's about 6 generations out of date
[00:47] <Daekdroom> More like 7
[00:47] <Daekdroom> My X1100 is only 5-6 generations behind :P
[00:51] <Guest3877> what is the App to open a .Deb file please
[00:52] <psusi> Guest3877, question does not make sense... what are you trying to do?  install it?
[00:53] <Guest3877> psusi: yes, i need to install a diff kernel from ppa mainline
[00:58] <bjsnider> sudo dpkg -i app.deb
[00:59] <IdleOne> you don't open deb files
[01:02] <psusi> yea, dpkg -i, or just double clicking on it should open it in debi and let you install it
[01:03] <IdleOne> I think the default now is software center
[01:03] <IdleOne> been a while since I doubled clicked a deb
[01:18] <Guest3877> psusi: tks it worked thru cmd line but not from desktop?
[01:37] <Daekdroom> Hm. Why does only Tomboy's indicator integrate with Unity's sidebar and nothing else? o.o
[01:42] <nit-wit> Daekdroom, have you tried right click on a open application that shows in the side bar and having it stay there, I forget the actual wording.
[01:44] <Daekdroom> The thing is, Tomboy has the exact same options as its libindicator counterpart if I right click it, but nothing else has. It looks like it was hardcoded for Tomboy, which makes me see the whole libindicator as a waste!
[04:51] <vultraz> whats in store for the 11.04 release?
[04:51] <skilz> many things
[04:51] <vultraz> like what
[04:51] <vultraz> unity?
[04:52] <skilz> yes
[04:52] <vultraz> :)
[04:52] <vultraz> unity is good
[04:53] <vultraz> its a really nice interface
[04:55] <vultraz> simple and easy to understand
[05:01] <skilz> It is practical for touch devices and tablets ect but thats about it...
[05:02] <vultraz> well what other ground-breaking new features will be in 11.04
[05:03] <vultraz> i hope it looks aesthetically pleasing ...........
[05:06] <skilz> the rest is top secret infomation
[05:07] <skilz> you have to wait for the release to see for yourself :)
[05:10] <vultraz> ahhhhh. you're making me curious ^_^
[05:21]  * vultraz is now very curious about 11.04
[05:22] <rww> vultraz: skilz was being silly, it's not top secret. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty is the list of all the developer blueprints for natty, for example
[05:24] <vultraz> humm yes but i don't understand the blueprints :(
[07:23] <Ub3r-N00b> does anyone know how gdm themes are installed in 11.04 ?
[07:26] <Ub3r-N00b> anyone online ?
[07:27] <rww> nobody here but us chickens
[07:27] <Ub3r-N00b> hehe
[07:28] <Ub3r-N00b> mm could you help me ?
[07:28] <rww> I have no idea, hence me not answering your question ;P
[07:28] <Ub3r-N00b> good point :D
[07:33] <nit-wit> cluck ,cluck, cluck
[11:31] <richthegeek> hey all - what's the current status of Natty (major changes, anything important broken, etc)?
[11:33] <Vonor> hi. the daily natty-server-amd64.iso shuts down a little bit after the partitioning part
[11:33] <rork`> Vonor: that's a known problem, I can look up the bug report for you
[11:34] <AnggaDj98> hmm are we talking about Natty here?
[11:34] <AnggaDj98> and the bugs too?
[11:34] <rww> yes, this room is for natty
[11:36] <Vonor> rork`, it'd be enough to know how to prevent that :P I guess natty-server-amd64.iso from  december first has the same issue?
[11:38] <rork`> Vonor: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/694772 I'm not exactly sure when the problem started or if there's a workaround. It's just the topic pops up every now and then since dec 28.
[11:59] <Vonor> rork`, the cd from december first works
[13:22] <Vonor> latest aptitude segfaults
[13:23] <Vonor> apt-get too
[13:25] <Jeeves_> Hi!
[13:26] <Jeeves_> Can anyone hit me with the cluebat? I want to open a second terminal in Unity. But clicking the 'terminal'-button in the launcher takes me to the window that's allready open
[13:28] <htorque> Jeeves_, try a right-click on the launcher icon -> open new window
[13:28] <dnivra> does anyone else have issues installing python-qt4? i get a bunch of 404 Not Found.
[13:28] <Jeeves_> htorque: OMG, that needs another click?
[13:29]  * Jeeves_ marks another 'not good' for Unity
[13:29] <Jeeves_> dnivra: Have you apt-get updated lately?
[13:30] <dnivra> Jeeves_, updating.
[13:37] <dnivra> also unity's top bar never really works-i click on the nm icon nothing happens, i click on poweroff button it doesn't work. i've to manually restart gdm from one of the tty's. and also if i switch to any tty and back to tty7, the GUI is never shown. are these known issues?
[13:37] <Jeeves_> nm-applet works, but the menu ends up behind my terminal
[13:38] <dnivra> nm-applet never displays anything. neither does shutdown button.
[13:39] <dnivra> Jeeves_, are you running natty currently? if so could try switching to another tty and then switch back to tty7?
[13:39] <Jeeves_> dnivra: Just did. Works. Slowly, but it worked
[13:40] <dnivra> how about poweroff button?
[13:40] <Jeeves_> The same
[13:40] <Jeeves_> Works, but shows up behind the active window
[13:41] <dnivra> could you try one more thing? switch to classic desktop and see if it says everything crashed? happens if i switch from unity to gnome.
[13:42] <Jeeves_> That will cost me too much time for now
[13:42] <Jeeves_> I'm working :)
[13:43] <dnivra> oh sure. just try it sometime.
[13:44] <Jeeves_> Great, Openoffice doesn't show menus either :/
[13:44] <Jeeves_> dnivra: I'll switch to gnome. I think I will never like Unity anyway :)
[13:45] <dnivra> Jeeves_, i checked out unity in 10.10 and it looks pretty good. just wish it worked well.
[13:45] <dnivra> Jeeves_, open office menus? file, edit etc do work.
[13:46] <Jeeves_> dnivra: my gnome works like a charm
[13:46] <Vonor> does anyone know which package provides the openssl library? package "openssl" doesn't seem to provide /usr/lib/openssl ?
[13:46] <Jeeves_> Unity has no menu, i need more clicks to open terminals
[13:47] <Jeeves_> I don't like it.
[13:47] <penguin42> Vonor: I don't have a /u/l//openssl - what are you actually looking for?
[13:47] <Jeeves_> Maybe when it's finished, but I doubt it
[13:47] <dnivra> i think a launcher shows up in the side by default.
[13:47] <dnivra> Jeeves_, ^^ terminal launcher. gnome works like a charm but it shows the crashed stuff sometimes.
[13:47] <Vonor> penguin42, trying to compile a package that needs openssl and configure can't find the library / includes
[13:48] <Jeeves_> dnivra: Yes, it does.
[13:48] <Jeeves_> But if I want a second terminal, i need to right-click and than select another option
[13:48] <Jeeves_> that's not what I want
[13:48] <penguin42> Vonor: Try libssl-dev
[13:48] <Jeeves_> Nor do I want to browse through /usr/share/applications to find the program I want to launch
[13:49] <dnivra> and it's sad keyboard shortcuts don't work-alt + f2 or any key binding for opening a terminal.
[13:49] <Jeeves_> Anyway, it's WIP, but I suspect that my issues with Unity are features, not bugs
[13:49] <Vonor> penguin42, thanks
[13:49] <dnivra> Jeeves_, i'm surprised the menu works like that-it's not the same in 10.10 netbook-it's shows a cool interface actually.
[13:50] <Jeeves_> I don't need it cool. I need it fast and working :)
[13:50] <dnivra> Jeeves_, it's pretty fast too :).
[13:50] <penguin42> I can kind of see what they're trying to do with browing /u/s/applications - but it won't work unless it's organised
[13:50] <Jeeves_> penguin42: Maybe they can think of some way. Let's call it a menu!
[13:51] <penguin42> Jeeves_: Well if they had a directory for office stuff, a directory for games etc within that it would all work out pretty much like the menus
[13:51] <Jeeves_> Yes, it would. But it doesn't :)
[13:51] <Vonor> penguin42, that worked
[13:52] <dnivra> i actually prefer menus. alt + f2 was the best ever. works so fast.
[13:52] <penguin42> Vonor: Generally libraries and headers are -dev, then it's just a matter of finding what - apt-cache search is great for that
[13:53] <Jeeves_> Vonor: Also, http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[13:53] <Vonor> penguin42, i know, though the package is called openssl so of course i searched for openssl libraries and headers :P
[13:59] <bjsnider> Vonor, next time run the command apt-get build-dep packagename and you'll install all of its dependencies
[14:28] <coz_> hey all
[14:47] <hibba> anyone successfully installed handbrake?
[14:50] <coz_> hibba,  mm I havent tried on natty yet
[14:51] <coz_> hibba,   I know there will be at least a handful of applications that wont install until they catch up with dependencies... ubuntutweak doesnt..at least last time I tried
[14:52] <hibba> I did find this: https://edge.launchpad.net/~stebbins/+archive/handbrake-snapshots
[14:53] <coz_> hibba,   did that work?  I dont see natty listed under the filter
[14:53] <hibba> did sources list update, but it does not give any package...
[14:53] <hibba> well no..
[14:55] <coz_> hibba,  as I said... there are going to be  applications that are not going to install ...at least at this early stage
[14:57] <hibba> ok! putting on my patience hat then.
[14:58] <hibba> thanks!
[14:58] <coz_> hibba,  :)
[14:59] <hibba> yes?
[15:00] <coz_> hibba,  yeah!  you have to be a bit patient... typical applications install  like    gimp.. inkscape  etc etc
[15:03] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[15:04] <coz_> BluesKaj,  hey guy
[15:05] <BluesKaj> hi coz_, person :)
[15:05] <BluesKaj> hi genii-around
[15:05] <coz_> BluesKaj,  I am a guy  :)
[15:06]  * genii-around slides BluesKaj a delicious coffee
[15:08] <BluesKaj> thanks genii-around I'll have it with my breakfast :)
[15:11] <genii-around> In K3b I'm getting "No optical drive found. K3b did not find any optical device in your system. Solution: Make sure HAL daemon is running, it is used by K3b for finding devices. ". Yet putting in a disc results in "You have just inserted a blank CD. Choose which application to launch." etc. (Kubuntu with KDE 4.5)
[15:12] <genii-around> process list doesn't show hald
[15:13] <charlie-tca> natty should not have HAL running, as I recall. It was deprecated
[15:14]  * penguin42 is surprised k3b doesn't use solid
[15:14] <charlie-tca> been replaced by dbus, I though
[15:14] <charlie-tca> s/though/thought
[15:14] <penguin42> I'm not sure dbus replaces hal; I think dbus is just the comms mech and various things sit on dbus
[15:18] <genii-around> Should I file a bug against K3b ?
[15:18] <penguin42> it's all ludicrously complex; as far as I can tell KDE has 'solid' that has udisks, udev and hal backends
[15:18] <tsimpson> bug #696286
[15:18] <genii-around> tsimpson: Ah, thanks!
[15:18] <tsimpson> the bugs not very active, but it's there
[15:19] <BluesKaj> yup, same error here , genii-around, tsimpson
[15:23] <genii-around> Interesting. Refreshing K3b setup page containing the devices shows my drive and then it works. Just not when it starts up.
[15:23] <BluesKaj> if i need to burn any media I'll use an appropriate app like ffmpeg or mencoder or some such.
[15:24] <Vonor> hmm, a program i have compiled on a debian lenny box and on an ubuntu natty box using same options, cflags and stuff, runs fine on debian, on natty it segfaults with #1  0x000000000040538c in user_crypt (line=0x7fffffffe25e "michael", salts=<value optimized out>) at /usr/include/bits/string3.h:121
[15:26] <penguin42> Vonor: It's not necessarily a case of a bug in natty, your program could haev got lucky on lenny
[15:28] <Vonor> penguin42, guess so too. i guess it's due to a different version of gcc or one of the libs, because line 121 in string3.h handles strcpy
[15:35] <Vonor> or maybe it is because the debian is a 32bit system and the natty is a 64bit system
[15:36] <Vonor> but anyways, the fault still lays in the code of the app in both cases - so dev of the prog has been contacted :)
[15:49] <BluesKaj> genii-around, how diyou refresh K3b?
[15:50] <genii-around> BluesKaj: In K3b: Settings...Configure K3b ... Devices icon in left pane... then Refresh button lower right
[15:51] <BluesKaj> yeah genii-around I found it , still no drives
[15:53] <genii-around> BluesKaj: When I did that, was after I had inserted a blank disk and then dismissed the popup notice of what app to run, leaving the disc inserted
[15:54] <BluesKaj> ok, I'll try that later ...too lazy to get out of my easychair ...suffering from a terrible cold
[15:56] <penguin42> BluesKaj: <sigh> tell me about it, 3rd of January and I#ve already got the 1st cold of the year
[15:56] <BluesKaj> using wireless KB & mouse
[15:57] <BluesKaj> penguin42, this one's particularly tough,,, a week now and I'm not getting much better
[15:58] <penguin42> BluesKaj: That sounds like the one I had a few weeks ago.....
[16:11] <speedvin> Hello!
[16:11] <speedvin> I have a question...
[16:12] <speedvin> Where to send bug reports about the dependcies in some packages?
[16:12] <BluesKaj> !launchpad
[16:12] <speedvin> BluesKaj: but where?
[16:13] <speedvin> How to do it? I mean what to write?
[16:13] <speedvin> Package problem with dependcies?
[16:13] <charlie-tca> what package?
[16:14] <BluesKaj> zdo a serch with the keywords describing the bug first and one neds to join in oder to file a report , I  think
[16:14] <speedvin> charlie-tca: It's freepascal-unit-gfx
[16:15] <charlie-tca> !info freepascal-unti-gfx
[16:15] <charlie-tca> !info freepascal-unit-gfx
[16:15] <speedvin> If you want to use graph unit (that one is in the package) you need packages svgalib1 and svgalib1-dev
[16:15] <speedvin> !info freepsacal-units-gfx
[16:15] <speedvin> hmm
[16:15] <charlie-tca> That is not a valid ubuntu package
[16:15] <speedvin> wait ;)
[16:15] <speedvin> I will check that one again!
[16:16] <speedvin> !info fp-units-gfx
[16:16] <speedvin> :)
[16:18] <charlie-tca> Then you can use this - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs/#Filing%20bugs%20at%20Launchpad.net
[16:18] <speedvin> What do you think?
[16:18] <charlie-tca> and request the extra stuff be linked as either dependencies or recommended
[16:20] <speedvin>     http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fp-units-gfx/+filebug?no-redirect like this?
[16:21] <charlie-tca> yup
[16:21] <speedvin> charlie-tca: ok thanks for help ;)
[16:23] <charlie-tca> no problem
[16:31] <speedvin> charlie-tca: hmm it can't find fp-units-gfx package on launchpad ;(
[16:32] <charlie-tca> let me look for it
[16:33] <charlie-tca> the package on launchpad is fpc
[16:33] <charlie-tca> fp-units-gfx is part of       fpc
[16:33] <speedvin> charlie-tca: it's a meta package ;)
[16:34] <charlie-tca> it's what you file the bug against, though
[16:34] <penguin42> oh heck all the fpc stuff is quite hairy
[16:34] <speedvin> then fpc not fp-units-gfx?
[16:40] <charlie-tca> yup
[16:44] <speedvin> Ok I need to go!
[16:44] <speedvin> Bye!
[17:29] <DrHalan> hey, when will gnome3.0 arrive in natty?
[17:31] <yofel_> c
[17:31] <yofel_> meh
[17:32] <Amaranth> DrHalan: It won't
[17:32] <om26er> Amaranth, not even a single app will be 3.0?
[17:33] <Amaranth> om26er: Not unless they can work with the 2.0 components
[17:33] <om26er> :O
[17:33] <Amaranth> om26er: But since pulling in one part of GNOME 3.0 generally requires pulling in all of it I suspect we'll see little if any 3.0 stuff in natty
[17:34]  * om26er read somewhere desktop team is planning to remove gtk3 from the live cd :(
[17:34] <penguin42> Amaranth: I thought the libraries were supposed to be compatible?
[17:34] <penguin42> om26er: Not much point in having the lib on the livecd if nothing uses it
[17:34] <Amaranth> penguin42: Libraries generally are since they have SONAME changes to go with the ABI bump, yes
[17:34] <om26er> then natty would be a boring release :p
[17:35] <DrHalan> seriously?
[17:35] <Amaranth> But you need gnome-settings-daemon and such too to get proper theming and last I heard you can't run both the 2 and the 3 versions (or even install them side-by-side) and they only theme GTK2 or GTK3 apps, respectively
[17:35] <penguin42> oh that's a mess
[17:35] <Amaranth> And similar issues with other daemons that make the desktop work
[17:36] <Amaranth> keyring daemon, etc
[17:36] <DrHalan> im more excited about gnome/gtk 3.0 than i am about unity...
[17:36] <Amaranth> DrHalan: You're in luck, there is a PPA :)
[17:36] <DrHalan> i guessed so
[17:37] <Amaranth> Of course if you install everything from the PPA I'm pretty sure you can only run gnome-shell
[17:37] <Amaranth> Unless GNOME sorts things out for gnome-panel 3.0 and the PPA installs that too
[17:39] <Amaranth> DrHalan: But GNOME 3.0 without gnome-shell is pretty boring so I'm guessing that's what you're looking for
[17:43] <DrHalan> well im alos curious about the more up to date verison of the apps like epiphany or nautilus.
[17:44] <DrHalan> there shoud be RGBA-windows in gtk3.0 too i read
[17:46] <om26er> even empathy 3.0 depends on gtk3 :|
[18:06] <DrHalan> yeah but maybe it can be backportet to gtk2
[18:06] <DrHalan> so what apps still need gtk2 ?
[18:07] <DrHalan> are the ubuntu apps already protet to the new gnome-python apis?
[18:11] <bjsnider> Amaranth, what ppa is that?
[18:11] <penguin42> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/gnome3-builds ?
[18:11] <Amaranth> https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-desktop/+archive/gnome3-builds
[18:12] <Amaranth> oops, too late
[18:12] <penguin42> actually, it tells you not to use it!
[18:12] <Amaranth> DrHalan: I don't know if the RGBA by default thing happened for GTK+ 3.0
[18:12] <penguin42> https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3/+packages apparently
[18:12] <Amaranth> DrHalan: Apps can make their windows RGBA in 2.x though
[18:12] <DrHalan> yeah but i want full rgba theming
[18:12] <DrHalan> i know that some apps like the gnome-terminal already have transparency
[18:13] <Amaranth> DrHalan: afaik some of the ubuntu apps were ported to GTK+ 3.0 and friends but are being brought back down to 2.x for natty
[18:14] <Amaranth> natty+1 will get all the 3.0 stuff
[18:14] <DrHalan> so waht will natty bring except for unity
[18:15] <DrHalan> a new kernel and  xserver i guess...
[18:15] <Amaranth> new firefox, kernel, X, mesa, unity, whatever we can update without pulling in all of GNOME 3.0
[18:15] <Amaranth> That's the current plan, anyway
[18:16] <Amaranth> Jumping to 3.0 a month after it (hopefully) gets released seems a bit foolish anyway
[18:16] <Amaranth> And what would we do if it got delayed?
[18:18] <DrHalan> delay natty too ?
[18:18] <Amaranth> *shudder*
[18:18] <Amaranth> DrHalan: For how long? :)
[18:19] <DrHalan> do you seriously think that gnome3.0 will be delayed again
[18:19] <DrHalan> okay thats pretty likely :D
[18:19] <Amaranth> DrHalan: I'd say delayed or hated, based on what I've seen of it so far :/
[18:20] <DrHalan> yeah maybe a new gui-toolkit AND shell is too much...
[18:21] <Amaranth> well, the toolkit part is just removing deprecated things, massively changing how it actually draws things to the screen, and changing the input system...
[18:21] <Amaranth> oh, and how it themes things!
[18:22] <Amaranth> All good changes and they were generally small enough to be well reviewed before landing but I dunnno
[18:22] <DrHalan> yeah but the gtk-changes is what i really care about because they seem the right move
[18:23] <DrHalan> atm i have a setup with gnome-panel and docky i don't really want to trade that for unity or gnome-shell
[18:23] <Amaranth> DrHalan: from an end-user perspective GTK+ 3.0 is the same as GTK+ 2.x unless something writes a cracktastic theme engine for it
[18:23] <Amaranth> assuming the RGBA-by-default stuff actually landed
[18:23] <Amaranth> s/something/someone/
[18:24] <Amaranth> DrHalan: The major benefit in 3.0 I can see is that it should be easier to port to wayland
[18:25] <DrHalan> hehe well wayland stilll has a long way to go
[18:25] <DrHalan> atm moment it only supports OpenGL ES for example :P
[18:26] <DrHalan> and compiz needs to be ported to libwayland-sever too...
[18:27] <DrHalan> whatever g2g bye! thanks for the help
[19:04] <bjsnider> Amaranth_, why do we have a gnome 3 ppa when it seems like these are packages that already should be in natty?
[19:05] <Amaranth_> bjsnider: Because GNOME 3 is all or nothing
[19:06] <bjsnider> so move off gnome 2
[19:06] <Amaranth> bjsnider: too much stuff still needs gnome 2
[19:06] <Amaranth> and gnome 3 might be delayed, have major issues, etc
[19:06] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Just wait for natty+1 to have 3.2 :)
[19:15] <alex_mayorga> why did I get a pidgin package on today's update?
[19:16] <alex_mayorga> is it coming back?
[19:26] <alex_mayorga> I removed firefox to use firefox-4.0, now each time something tries to open a URL I get "Error showing url: Failed to execute child process "firefox" (No such file or directory)", tips to fix this?
[19:32] <alex_mayorga> looks like a mutation of bug 198449
[19:37] <penguin42> there is something a bit odd going on with the selection of processes to run for opening URLs
[19:37] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: to me or in general?
[19:37] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: General
[19:37] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: There is something that's changed and I'm not sure anyone is quite sure what
[19:38] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: oh! I thought it was due to me using a "Custom" "Preferred application", namely firefox-4.0
[19:39] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: It may be, but for me it was insisting on using firefox even though I have the preferred set to chromium
[19:39] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: was just switching to chromium to test
[19:39] <alex_mayorga> but looks like the same thing, got a bug number?
[19:40] <Amaranth> penguin42: They seem to blame it on compiz somehow
[19:40] <alex_mayorga> I got no compiz here, as far as I know
[19:41] <Amaranth> bug 687732
[19:41] <penguin42> bug 670128
[19:41] <penguin42> There are some other weird file association screwups going on as well
[19:42] <alex_mayorga> getting the bug while clicking that link :S
[19:43] <Amaranth> penguin42: that bug is a good example of the problems of mix-and-match GNOME 3
[19:44] <penguin42> Amaranth: How come?
[19:44] <Amaranth> not even glib is safe to upgrade and it isn't changing ABI :/
[19:44] <Amaranth> penguin42: "Downgrade to a glib2 that's not targetted for GNOME 3, or upgrade the control-center to GNOME 3. It's a packaging bug, with mismatching versions."
[19:44] <penguin42> ah
[19:45] <alex_mayorga> how do one does that? pardon the n00bnes
[19:45] <alex_mayorga> !control-center
[19:47] <yofel> we don't have gnome-control-center 3, you'll have to downgrade glib
[19:47] <Amaranth> Either that or we'll have to patch glib to work around this
[19:48] <alex_mayorga> yofel: would it come in eventually? I can like copying&pasting links for a couple days or so
[19:48] <yofel> probably, I don't keep track of this
[19:48] <alex_mayorga> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=654746#c7
[19:48] <Amaranth> alex_mayorga: It'll definitely be fixed before April :)
[19:49] <alex_mayorga> Amaranth: :O
[19:50] <Amaranth> ugh, my phone isn't converting the timezones on calendars
[19:50] <penguin42> Amaranth: There's some other stuff as well; things like the Places menu opening evince for some people - all odd
[19:51] <Amaranth> calendar was set for 2PM GMT+1 (so 7AM my time) and thunderbird alerted me at 6:50am but my phone just alerted me now (1:50pm)
[19:51] <yofel> Amaranth: as for apport, it checks what's set in gconf (It does that to get the right 'new-window' parameter)
[19:51] <Amaranth> penguin42: well, we don't actually have a Places menu like gnome-panel had
[19:51] <yofel> er
[19:52] <yofel> alex_mayorga: ^
[19:52] <penguin42> Amaranth: On classic desktop
[19:52] <Amaranth> penguin42: what people running Unity think is their regular Places menu is the nautilus desktop Places menu
[19:52] <yofel> alex_mayorga: what do you have set for '/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command' in gconf?
[19:53] <alex_mayorga> dunno if the Minefiel crashes I get is related as well http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/08d9a80a-cfee-45a6-b7ab-490e72110103
[19:53] <alex_mayorga> yofel: how do I check?
[19:53] <yofel> alex_mayorga: gconftool --get /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command
[19:54] <alex_mayorga> yofel: /usr/bin/firefox-4.0 %s
[19:55]  * yofel scratches head
[19:55] <alex_mayorga> looks like Minefield does set it, but crashes along the way
[19:55] <alex_mayorga> see my crash report above
[19:55] <alex_mayorga> do I bug Mozilla?
[19:55] <alex_mayorga> or is this Ubuntu's fault all along?
[19:55] <yofel> no idea about the crash, I don't use gnome
[19:58] <yofel> well, use apport-cli then until gnome-open is fixed I fear, or feel free to mess with /usr/share/pyshared/apport/ui.py line 885 yourself
[19:59] <alex_mayorga> yofel: can you note that on the actual bug, please?
[19:59] <yofel> which one? 198449?
[20:01] <alex_mayorga> yofel: looks like it, yup!
[20:08] <nperry> In the gnome-classic desktop how is it defined to launch gnome-panel, would like to replace it with awn :)
[20:20] <nperry> Hmm, seems to be that everytime I close gnome-panel it opens again
[20:20] <nperry> Grrr!
[21:48] <qzio> is there some way to reset gnome/unity settings
[21:48] <qzio> I haven't done anything special,80% in the panel quits unexpected, I need to re-add them to the panel EVERY reboot (gnome)
[21:49] <qzio> and unity is unusable since I can't create two terminals, and there is no alt+f2 launcher.
[21:49] <qzio> I hope this is because some weird settings that have entered my system, because this can't truly be the defaults.
[21:50] <qzio> I tried to delete .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gcond
[21:50] <qzio> and .metacity
[21:50] <qzio> didn't help
[22:02] <Daekdroom> qzio, Of course it's not the defaults
[22:02] <Daekdroom> qzio, Unity is not even close to how it's supposed to be at the release time.
[22:02] <Daekdroom> It's alpha quality software.
[22:17] <qzio> yeah I figured that much out :)
[22:18] <qzio> however, it kind of bugs me that a bounch of things that is functional is "unexpexted quited" upon login.
[22:18] <qzio> they work without problem if I just add them once again to the panel
[22:18] <qzio> and the next reboot, BOOM they crash
[22:19] <Daekdroom> My problems here are more like.. metacity doesn't start with classic GNOME and unity doesn't start with desktop edition :P
[22:19] <qzio> heh :)
[22:19] <Daekdroom> But I'm blaming that on the fact that it's not a fresh install.
[22:20] <qzio> m, yeah, I guess. it's alpha, But I never had this much trouble ever with an ubuntu alpha
[22:20] <qzio> I was forced to upgrade do to the kernel in 10.10. It filled my logs with rubbish.
[22:20] <qzio> I should have just backported the kernel :(
[22:21] <Daekdroom> I was going to wait longer before installing natty, but given I'm getting a new machine in a few days, I thought it wouldn't hurt to try.
[23:13] <h4f> Something happed and my mouse is now reverted (x y axis)
[23:13] <h4f> I had similar issues in before distsributions
[23:13] <h4f> how do I make it work as before
[23:14] <h4f> when I move mouse UP its going DOWN and vice versa
[23:15] <holstein> maybe http://askubuntu.com/questions/16480/inverted-mouse-axis-on-a-ubuntu-live-usb
[23:16] <alex_mayorga> h4f: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=483723 perhaps
[23:21] <h4f> thanks
[23:22] <h4f> but why did it get inverted by itself ?
[23:22] <holstein> if its happended before
[23:22] <holstein> its probably something to do with that particular hardware
[23:22] <holstein> not sure though
[23:22] <h4f> yes it happened .
[23:23] <h4f> hm. I think its after a hibernate of sleep
[23:23] <holstein> you might have one of those notebooks that dont like to wake up in buntu
[23:26] <Roey> hi
[23:26] <Roey> can anyone please help me out with this (without bouncing me to some other channel)... I don't know why, but on my Kubuntu 10.10 system, as of KDE 4.6 beta 1 up to and including RC1,  my Keyboard Settings (repeat rate, language switcher key combo, making Capslock an additional Control) are no longer respected by any app, even though the settings show up fine in Keyboard Settings
[23:27] <holstein> if you hadnt said dont bounce you, i would have said try #kubuntu ;)
[23:28] <holstein> i suppose it would be easy enough to try gnome and confirm that this is a KDE issue
[23:47] <Roey> what do you mean
[23:47] <Roey> holstein:  the problem transcends individual user accounts on this system
[23:48] <holstein> Roey: i was just wondering if this was happing in gnome as well
[23:48] <holstein> something similar
[23:52] <Roey> ahhh
[23:53] <Roey> someone in this channel or another one asked me earlier to print my x keyboard map and to search for any Keyboard Settings-introduced verbiage there
[23:53] <Roey> not that I could find it
[23:56] <holstein> hmmm
[23:56] <holstein> earlier today?
[23:56] <holstein> wasnt in here...