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| rsalveti | morning | 11:07 |
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| rsalveti | ogra: getting back to work I believe the main issue for getting images is the u-boot mkimage transition | 11:07 |
| rsalveti | for some reason people decided to remove it first before fixing the archive | 11:08 |
| rsalveti | to be faster than debian, but this is still being discussed there | 11:08 |
| rsalveti | ogra: and something would be good to have a final conclusion is the kernel for omap 3, and trying to use the linaro one | 11:09 |
| rsalveti | if not this week, at least let's have a discussion next one | 11:09 |
| janimo | do pandaboard wlan work on natty? I installed the mavertick packages from TI PPA but they don;t seem to work (no chip found by modprobe) | 11:10 |
| ogra | rsalveti, i'd like to solve it this week | 11:10 |
| ogra | depending on workload | 11:10 |
| rsalveti | yeah | 11:11 |
| ogra | for mkimage we're waiting for the MIR | 11:11 |
| ogra | i agree, it was bad to remove uboot-mkimage first, complain to lool | 11:11 |
| rsalveti | janimo: hm, I believe you need to get a new wlan package | 11:11 |
| ogra | not that the images did build though | 11:11 |
| rsalveti | well, we got a broken image for days just because of the mkimage mess | 11:12 |
| rsalveti | the package was removed at 12-14 | 11:12 |
| ogra | yep | 11:12 |
| rsalveti | but yeah, still waiting for the MIR | 11:12 |
| rsalveti | janimo: try using https://launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/omap-trunk | 11:13 |
| rsalveti | ogra: another thing is that I got a new x-loader package for omap 3 and omap 4, and will try to update it this week | 11:14 |
| rsalveti | the good thing is that I'm building both from the same sources | 11:14 |
| rsalveti | so one less package at the archive | 11:14 |
| lool | ogra: Why complain to me? | 11:15 |
| rsalveti | janimo: http://omappedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_OMAP_trunk | 11:16 |
| janimo | rsalveti: thanks. upgrading to that PPA now | 11:16 |
| rsalveti | janimo: ti updated most packages for 10.10 | 11:16 |
| rsalveti | but natty is using the same kernel | 11:16 |
| rsalveti | janimo: you may need a new x-loader | 11:16 |
| janimo | rsalveti: hmm, does that affect the wlan chip? | 11:16 |
| rsalveti | if you're using the latest natty's kernel | 11:16 |
| lool | ogra: I didn't trigger the mkimage issues; the packages were automatically imported from Debian | 11:16 |
| janimo | am using 35- 1001 I think | 11:17 |
| rsalveti | janimo: not directly I believe, but it's good to use the new x-loader with latest kernel | 11:17 |
| lool | ogra: I just noticed because I have mkimage on my laptop and I saw the uboot-mkimage package as obsolete after an upgrade | 11:17 |
| ogra | hmm, so removals happen automatically ? | 11:18 |
| janimo | rsalveti: but uBoot actually uses the kernel image on the first partition, and regardless of what I upgrade to on / that kernel is used still right? | 11:18 |
| ogra | i thought that needs manual action | 11:18 |
| ogra | then i dont blame you :) | 11:18 |
| rsalveti | I believe it was manually removed | 11:18 |
| rsalveti | but it wasn't lool | 11:18 |
| lool | ogra: I have no idea whether they happen automatically; I didn't request removal, and I'm not an archive admin | 11:18 |
| rsalveti | janimo: yes, but after a kernel update the flash-kernel tool is called | 11:19 |
| rsalveti | and then it upgrades the kernel from the first partition | 11:19 |
| janimo | ah, ok | 11:19 |
| janimo | did not know that | 11:19 |
| rsalveti | lool: ogra: bug 674904 | 11:23 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 674904 in uboot-mkimage (Ubuntu) "Please remove uboot-mkimage from the archive (affects: 1) (heat: 77)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/674904 | 11:23 |
| * ogra rants a bit on that bug | 11:26 | |
| ogra | asac, are you still active in the MIR team (i.e. could you approve u-boot) ? | 11:27 |
| asac | ogra: is that upstream u-boot? | 11:30 |
| * asac thought we already had some u-boot in main | 11:31 | |
| hrw | I even made a patch for u-boot to ship uboot-mkimage transitional | 11:31 |
| hrw | http://pastebin.com/g49n8Jde | 11:32 |
| lool | asac: it's upstream u-boot | 11:32 |
| asac | ogra: bug id please | 11:32 |
| hrw | lool: can you finally review it? | 11:33 |
| lool | asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/u-boot/+bug/692613 | 11:33 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 692613 in u-boot (Ubuntu) "[MIR] u-boot (affects: 1) (heat: 509)" [Undecided,New] | 11:33 |
| ogra | bug 692613 | 11:33 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 692613 in u-boot (Ubuntu) "[MIR] u-boot (affects: 1) (heat: 509)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/692613 | 11:33 |
| lool | hrw: Ah right; I have it in my TODO for a while, I wanted to fix some small things and fix the i386 build issue as well, but didn't get to it before the break; sorry about that | 11:33 |
| hrw | lool: happens. next time I will request bugs/reviews probably so others could look too | 11:34 |
| lool | asac: uboot-mkimage was in main, and uboot-envtools is in main; uboot-mkimage is gone and was a fork of the upstream u-boot code | 11:34 |
| asac | lool: ftbfs on i386 | 11:35 |
| asac | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/u-boot/2010.12~rc2-1ubuntu1 | 11:35 |
| lool | hrw: Note that the package name will change too, so I expect we will have to do another round | 11:35 |
| lool | asac: I've noted that in the MIR | 11:35 |
| asac | lool: does this ship anything besides uboot-mkimage? | 11:35 |
| asac | e.g. any u-boot bootloader? | 11:35 |
| lool | asac: Yes; it ships u-boot | 11:35 |
| lool | asac: but we don't use these images | 11:35 |
| lool | the Debian maintainer is semi-convinced that we need to split mkimage in a separate package | 11:36 |
| asac | lool: so no: http://paste.ubuntu.com/549796/ | 11:36 |
| lool | This is discussed in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594937 | 11:36 |
| ubot2 | Debian bug 594937 in u-boot "u-boot: Create binary package for each supported machine instead of for each architecture" [Wishlist,Open] | 11:36 |
| asac | not a single relevant bootloader for ubuntu ;) | 11:36 |
| ogra | nah | 11:37 |
| lool | asac: It's the Debian package | 11:37 |
| asac | couldnt we at least produce omap3 from that source? | 11:37 |
| ogra | theoretically we could | 11:37 |
| lool | asac: I don't see any harm in keeping whatever Debian maintains; we don't care about the bootloader bits | 11:37 |
| rsalveti | but we're using the linaro one for that | 11:37 |
| ogra | right | 11:37 |
| rsalveti | for both omap 3 and omap 4 | 11:38 |
| lool | I don't see why we should move away of Linaro's u-boot | 11:38 |
| ogra | we would have two omap source packages again (linaro omap4 and debian omap3) it would somehow defeat the purpose of unifying but techincally we could indeed build the omap3 binary | 11:39 |
| ogra | and i belive there is work going on in debian to actually do that | 11:39 |
| asac | i would prefer to wait for u-boot-tools to arrive from debian ... until then couldnt we just use one of our existing u-boot packages to provide mkimage | 11:39 |
| * ogra remembers a discussion about building official debian omap3 kernels, they will for sure also build bootloaders if they do that | 11:40 | |
| lool | asac: Well, we could split u-boot in two in the way that we anticipate Debian to do it and provide the patch | 11:40 |
| asac | right | 11:40 |
| asac | thats fine with me | 11:40 |
| lool | and by we, I obviously don't specifically mean me :-) | 11:41 |
| guerby | rsalveti, hi and happy new year :) | 11:42 |
| rsalveti | guerby: hey! | 11:42 |
| rsalveti | happy new year! | 11:42 |
| guerby | rsalveti, my pandaboard still freeze every few days, did you get any feedback from TI on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/+bug/690370 ? | 11:42 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 690370 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu) "Strange out of memory on pandaboard (affects: 1) (heat: 202)" [Undecided,New] | 11:42 |
| rsalveti | guerby: ti is getting back to work today too, so I expect something this week | 11:43 |
| guerby | rsalveti, ok great! thanks for your work on this. I'm still hoping to put the pandaboard online :) | 11:43 |
| rsalveti | guerby: sure, will try to do some work on this bug this week | 11:43 |
| ian_brasil | my membership of ubuntu-mobile is due to expire - is this team deprecated now? | 11:44 |
| ogra | yep | 11:46 |
| ogra | if you are intrested in arm work, there is ubuntu-armel | 11:46 |
| * hrw will look at uboot/i386 ftfbs | 11:50 | |
| ogra | hrw, i doubt thats easily solveable without a package split | 11:51 |
| lool | hrw: see u-boot mailing-list | 11:52 |
| lool | hrw: I propose two fixes; the maintainer of the board says he is working on sending the patc h | 11:52 |
| lool | hrw: I think we should just send two patches | 11:52 |
| hrw | lool: official uboot ml one? | 11:52 |
| lool | hrw: Yes | 11:53 |
| lool | hrw: MID 20101220111358.GA28532@bee.dooz.org | 11:53 |
| hrw | lool: author name would be better... | 11:55 |
| hrw | gmane lacks mid search | 11:55 |
| lool | hrw: It does have it | 12:46 |
| lool | hrw: http://mid.gmane.org/20101220111358.GA28532%40bee.dooz.org | 12:46 |
| hrw | ok, thx | 12:52 |
| aksh1 | hi all , i have downloaded http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/maverick/ubuntu-10.10-r3-minimal-armel.tar.7z | 17:35 |
| aksh1 | how to install unity in that | 17:36 |
| aksh1 | to create a netbook image | 17:36 |
| rsalveti | aksh1: if you're using this rootfs already then you just need to install unity, but it doesn't work that well with GL ES | 17:39 |
| aksh1 | rsalveti, then do i need to do any changes ? | 17:41 |
| rsalveti | aksh1: you need to install the unity package | 17:41 |
| aksh1 | rsalveti, but you told that it doesn't work well | 17:42 |
| aksh1 | with GL ES | 17:42 |
| rsalveti | aksh1: sure, I wouldn't recommend to use it with gl es | 17:43 |
| rsalveti | you can, but it's very slow and crashes a lot | 17:43 |
| rsalveti | that will be fixed for natty | 17:43 |
| aksh1 | rsalveti, what will be the best | 17:43 |
| rsalveti | for now on arm the efl netbook interface is the best option | 17:44 |
| rsalveti | or other wm like xfce | 17:44 |
| aksh1 | rsalveti, how about lxde | 17:44 |
| aksh1 | which is good better performance in xfce4 and lxde | 17:44 |
| rsalveti | aksh1: could be, just never tried | 17:45 |
| ogra | ion surely has the better performance ;) | 17:45 |
| rsalveti | I'd use evilwm | 17:46 |
| rsalveti | :P | 17:46 |
| ogra | heh | 17:46 |
| aksh1 | evilwm ? | 17:47 |
| * ogra always loved wm2 | 17:47 | |
| rsalveti | evilwm is a very minimal wm | 17:47 |
| rsalveti | you can only open a terminal with it hehe | 17:47 |
| rsalveti | and move it | 17:48 |
| ogra | wm2 already has a tasklist | 17:48 |
| ogra | and shiny window decorations | 17:48 |
| ogra | ogra@ac100:~$ apt-cache show wm2|grep -i size | 17:49 |
| ogra | Installed-Size: 116 | 17:49 |
| ogra | Size: 33096 | 17:49 |
| ogra | ogra@ac100:~$ apt-cache show evilwm|grep -i size | 17:49 |
| ogra | Installed-Size: 96 | 17:49 |
| ogra | Size: 30236 | 17:49 |
| ogra | hmm, but evilwm wins the size battle | 17:49 |
| aksh1 | rsalveti, i am looking a wm with full fledged gui to test utouch | 17:49 |
| rsalveti | ogra: ;-) | 17:49 |
| ogra | i guess you cant have bling without paying for it ;) | 17:50 |
| ogra | aksh1, then take the efl launcher | 17:51 |
| janimo | GrueMaster: I get banshee UI coming up over ssh -X and I can use the menus. no crash so far | 18:00 |
| * janimo has just started banshee for the first time ever | 18:00 | |
| GrueMaster | Interesting. | 18:00 |
| janimo | last liune in the log is [Info 19:58:16.396] nereid Client Started | 18:00 |
| janimo | so right before you see the exception | 18:01 |
| janimo | this is an up-todate natty on pandaboard | 18:01 |
| GrueMaster | same here/ | 18:03 |
| GrueMaster | Will try normal desktop to see if it is a netbook-ui issue. | 18:03 |
| GrueMaster | Nope, still fails. Different error though, but I suspect the root is the same. | 18:10 |
| ogra | did you wash your fingers before firing it up ? its very fragile ;) | 18:12 |
| janimo | GrueMaster: so you can reproduce on panda/natty too? | 18:12 |
| GrueMaster | This is panda/natty. | 18:12 |
| janimo | ok | 18:12 |
| janimo | within seconds from startup? | 18:12 |
| GrueMaster | yes. | 18:12 |
| janimo | can you check if it crashes with ssh -X too? | 18:13 |
| janimo | not that it should be much of a difference | 18:13 |
| GrueMaster | It doesn't stay up long enough to use the menus. Will try ssh -x. | 18:13 |
| janimo | just to make sure I can try reproduce without pulling out the HDMI cable | 18:13 |
| janimo | which means no dual monitor on my workstation :D | 18:13 |
| GrueMaster | Also, I am not getting any window frames in classic desktop mode. | 18:13 |
| GrueMaster | (different issue). | 18:14 |
| ogra | GrueMaster, remove maximus or disable it in the session settings | 18:15 |
| ogra | i thought i had solved that one in maverick | 18:15 |
| ogra | is that a maverick->natty upgrade ? | 18:15 |
| ogra | or a plain natty install | 18:15 |
| janimo | FYI mine is a natty image made with rootstock | 18:16 |
| ogra | ah | 18:17 |
| ogra | dont trust rootstock | 18:17 |
| ogra | its as close as possible to a real install, but after all not identical | 18:17 |
| rsalveti | ogra: alsa-utils is still broken :-) | 18:19 |
| rsalveti | another package to fix soon | 18:19 |
| ogra | yeah | 18:19 |
| ogra | first images ... then packages | 18:19 |
| rsalveti | sure | 18:19 |
| ogra | i also have a broken shadow to fix and doko slowly gets nasty | 18:19 |
| GrueMaster | ogra: This is the last natty image prior to mkimage snafu, updated to latest packages. | 18:20 |
| ogra | k | 18:20 |
| ogra | thx | 18:20 |
| ogra | that should have the fixed maximus | 18:20 |
| ogra | keep the pieces until next week and i'll take a look | 18:20 |
| janimo | ogra: rootstock is recommened in the wiki, it is no longer to be used? | 18:21 |
| rsalveti | janimo: it's ok to use it | 18:21 |
| janimo | are there better ways to do the same? | 18:21 |
| rsalveti | but while reproducing issues, the best option is to use the preinstalled image | 18:21 |
| janimo | ok | 18:21 |
| ogra | janimo, rootstock is o for building for unsupported HW, for test and development images, but you will only get 100% identical results on the real images | 18:21 |
| ogra | s/o/ok/ | 18:21 |
| rsalveti | just because the supported images are the preinstalled ones | 18:22 |
| janimo | I used rsalveti's instructions to have / on an external USB drive so could not really use the preinstalled image | 18:22 |
| ogra | there is no guarantee that rootstock builds 100% the same as we do with the preinstalled image | 18:22 |
| ogra | s | 18:22 |
| janimo | it is much much faster this way that on SD card | 18:22 |
| janimo | well probabaly not the same, but for individual user space app testing I think there should be no differences | 18:23 |
| rsalveti | janimo: sure, while debugging and building stuff the usb disk usage is the best option | 18:23 |
| rsalveti | but while reproducing and testing bugs, try using the preinstalled one | 18:23 |
| ogra | the setup might differ | 18:23 |
| aksh1 | i have installed plymouth and updated initrd using update-initramfs -u | 18:23 |
| aksh1 | do i need to change boot commandline | 18:23 |
| ogra | rootstock doesnt track what changes are in oem-config for example | 18:23 |
| aksh1 | mem=512M console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 omapfb.mode=dvi:hd720-24@60 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootwait is my commandline | 18:23 |
| ogra | so if you use rootstock and set up a user from cmdline, your user setup might be different | 18:24 |
| ogra | the way we build the image with rootstock isnt 100% identicaql to livecd-rootfs so fixes that go in there might not be in rootstock | 18:24 |
| ogra | etc etc | 18:24 |
| ogra | aksh1, add quiet and splash as keywords | 18:25 |
| ogra | and make sure your boot setup uses the uInitrd indeed | 18:26 |
| aksh1 | ogra, i am not sure uInitrd updated one is used while booting | 18:28 |
| aksh1 | bcoz default initrd will get updated in /boot/ folder and beagleboard has other /boot partition | 18:29 |
| ogra | any reason why you didnt use one of the official netbook images for the beagle ? | 18:30 |
| ogra | you wouldnt have to fiddle with that now | 18:30 |
| aksh1 | ogra, want to know how to create similar image | 18:31 |
| ogra | well, the same things i wrote for janimo above apply to these images since they are built with rootstock ... they are "similar" but not identical | 18:33 |
| GrueMaster | ogra: I looked at the image and maximus is not running while in classic desktop. I have plenty of SD cards, so I will preserve this one for you to eval. | 18:33 |
| ogra | things like the bootloader setup definitely differ heavily | 18:33 |
| ogra | GrueMaster, weird, maximus isnt running but you dont get window borders either ? | 18:34 |
| GrueMaster | nope. | 18:35 |
| ogra | sounds more like metacity being broken | 18:35 |
| ogra | unless | 18:35 |
| ogra | hmm | 18:35 |
| ogra | i heard roumors that metacity would be dropped in favor of a 2D compiz | 18:35 |
| ogra | not sure what the status on that is | 18:35 |
| GrueMaster | ogra: http://members.dsl-only.net/~tdavis/Screenshot.png | 18:37 |
| GrueMaster | Apparently, compiz is the registered WM currently running. | 18:43 |
| ogra | aha | 18:44 |
| ogra | so thats likely a 2D compiz bug then | 18:44 |
| ogra | i think the code is very very young | 18:44 |
| davidm | ogra, http://www.viewsonic.com/gtablet/spec.htm | 18:45 |
| GrueMaster | must be. There is no compiz-config utility installed. grrr, | 18:45 |
| ogra | davidm, hmm, sounds like the folio you can buy here | 18:46 |
| rsalveti | interesting | 18:47 |
| aksh1 | ogra, after adding quiet splash it is giving kernel panic | 18:47 |
| aksh1 | http://pastebin.com/6xyZksqq | 18:47 |
| ogra | if its the same, it is overpriced, very bad android adaptions, very bad touchscreen | 18:47 |
| GrueMaster | I was emailed info on this: http://www.tangent-tycoon.com | 18:48 |
| rsalveti | very bad android adaptations is kind of expected | 18:48 |
| rsalveti | but not a bad touchscreen | 18:48 |
| GrueMaster | I asked if we could get some eval units to install a real OS, but no reply. | 18:48 |
| rsalveti | GrueMaster: very very ugly hehe :-) | 18:48 |
| rsalveti | ubuntu should be a lot better | 18:49 |
| GrueMaster | 120GB HD. 2Gb ram. Just to run Win7 POS edition. | 18:49 |
| rsalveti | ouch | 18:50 |
| * rsalveti takes a break | 18:50 | |
| * ogra thinks the galaxy is the only serious ipad competitor atm | 18:50 | |
| GrueMaster | 1.87 lbs. I think my netbook is lighter. | 18:51 |
| ogra | yeah | 18:51 |
| ogra | mine surely is (700grams) | 18:51 |
| ogra | :) | 18:51 |
| GrueMaster | Heh. To get the extended battery version, you have to buy it with Win7 Pro. | 18:53 |
| GrueMaster | $100 difference. | 18:53 |
| GrueMaster | $595 or $695. | 18:53 |
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