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nit-witpigy, probably to under powered a swell00:09
nit-wit*as well00:09
geirhadebian might have builds for older macs, I don't think ubuntu has.00:09
holsteinpigy: i have had decent luck with suse PPC00:13
holsteinbut i plan on using my old ppc macs as ssh boxes00:13
holsteingonna get the ppc buntu server00:13
pigyit starts to install .. then at a point screen goes blank.. and sound like something it happening00:14
pigybut can see anything00:14
holsteinpigy: i had graphics issues00:17
holsteini got to a desktop with 10.0400:17
holsteini forget how00:17
holsteinmaybe safe graphics mode00:17
pigyon prompt i installe with live-powerpc00:19
holsteindo what you want, but i have 2 PPC macs00:21
holsteinone slower and one faster than yours00:22
holsteinand im not going to run gnome on them00:22
n9vvI have tried every daily build of natty and I can not get any one of them to boot.  Every one panics and won't even open an install dialogue. My PC is a Dell Dimension desktop 5150 cual core with 2GB RAM and 2 SATA disks. I have tried both USB and CDROM .iso booting with no luck.00:30
holsteinn9vv: did you try that last 'stable' iso00:32
holsteinwhatever alpha that was...00:32
holsteinnot that thats going to help00:32
holsteinhmmm...00:32
n9vv:-) yes I did try the 11.04 Alpha-1 and it seemed to install o.k. on my little mITX Atom 330. But not on my Dell.00:32
n9vvI believe the date was December 2, 2010.00:33
holsteinn9vv: what graphics card is that?00:33
n9vvNvidia 8600GT00:33
holsteindid you try F6 nomodeset00:33
n9vvno, sorry, I did not know about F6.  I kept trying CTRL+ALT+Fx to get to a text window. I tried CTRL+F8 to get X to run -- no luck.00:34
pigyhow long does the install tak00:43
pigy*take00:43
pigyi bot ubuntu@ prompt00:44
n9vvRight now I am trying to install today's build from a USB stick on the mITX Atom 330. The install menu came up, I made the choice to INSTALL and then it went BLACK SCREEN OF DEATH (BSOD) <g> took about 15 seconds00:44
n9vvHummm.... this time I rebooted (hard power off/on boot) and selected the "HELP" screen.  I got what looked like a root white letters on black fast long list of commands that looked like it was booting.  then BSOD  :-(00:48
holsteinn9vv: this is a live CD ?00:49
n9vvWell I thought it was the USB equivalent of a LiveCD.  I used Unetbootin to creat it.00:50
holsteinn9vv: have you tried00:51
holsteinwhen booting00:51
holsteinyou'll see options at the bottom00:51
holsteinF600:51
holsteini think its nomodeset00:52
n9vvO.K. I don't see any options at the bottom, but I will try F6 to see how it runs. Thank you very much for the suggestion.00:52
holsteinyou'll either see F6 down there or not00:52
holsteinits right at the beginning00:53
holsteinor it was...00:53
holsteini installed from an alternate installer disc00:54
n9vvRight. No F6. I also tried building the USB stick with LiLi USB Creator and same thing. BSOD.00:54
n9vvO.K. I haven't tried the ALTERNATE and I sure can. I don't think I saw it in the daily build.  Maybe I should just drop back to the December 02 Alpha-1?00:55
holsteinn9vv: nah00:56
holsteinthe alternate might do the same thing00:56
holsteinim suggesting you try whatever 'safe graphics mode' has become00:56
holsteinyou can only install fromt he alternate disc00:57
pigylooks like i installed ubuntu but only text and dont see gui. im in command prompt can i launch a gui from here ?00:57
holsteincant run live and check it out00:57
holsteinpigy: what did you install?00:57
pigyi typed live vidoe=ofonly00:58
pigyand then got me to prompt with ubuntu@ubuto00:58
pigyread artcile to change xorg.cofing but dont see that file00:59
pigyonly dir i see in command is destop00:59
n9vvPigy, can you type in "startx" at the command prompt?01:00
pigyget errors01:02
pigylike screens not found01:02
n9vvPigy - right, I have seen the same thing. There is no xorg.conf any more in /etc/X11/ and I was lost at that point.01:03
n9vvo.k. I will leave the chat for now. I found a torrent of the Natty Alpha-1 and will download it and try to build another .iso USB or CDROM. Thank you all .  HAPPY HEALTHY NEW YEAR!01:08
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shawn146hi everyone02:45
shawn146can someoen help out a noob02:45
shawn146since everybody in teh distro channel is asleep02:45
shawn146and i would like to get this distro working before tomorrow02:45
holsteinwhats up shawn146 ?02:46
shawn146i am still trying to install JLime on my Jornada 72002:47
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holsteinshawn146: OH02:47
holsteini remember you ;)02:47
shawn146lol02:47
shawn146i used to be in here awhile ago lol02:47
holsteini dont think you're going to get much help in a buntu channel02:47
holsteinunfortunately02:47
shawn146for other stuff lol02:47
shawn146oh02:48
holsteini remember reading that page you had02:48
shawn146which one02:48
holsteinand it seemed challenging02:48
holsteinmaybe it was one i just googled02:48
shawn146oh the kernal panic post02:48
shawn146or thread02:48
holsteinthe install page02:48
shawn146oh02:48
shawn146i stil get that error02:48
holsteinshawn146: is there no other option?02:48
shawn146well let me get on teh pc that has the CF prot02:48
holsteinshawn146: are you seeing desktop yet?02:48
* shawn146 has his ubuntu live cd02:48
shawn146;)02:48
shawn146no02:49
shawn146kernal panic02:49
holsteindrag....02:49
shawn146every time02:49
holsteinprobably just need to try some different kernels i guess02:49
shawn146since i am not using ane xternal cf card reader, its reading differently02:49
shawn146i did install taht kernal02:49
holsteinwho knows what though02:49
shawn146new one, still kernal panic02:49
holsteinis there a bios on that thing?02:50
shawn146i even deleted the older boot kernal and the modules folder02:50
shawn146yea02:50
shawn146but s not that that i need02:50
holsteincan you go in the bios and disable things?02:50
shawn146let me see02:50
holsteini know theres not much on there02:50
holsteinbut maybe you could disable the pcmica02:51
holsteinpcmcia*02:51
holsteinand the modem02:51
holsteinand whatever other ports you can find02:51
holsteinsee if a kernel boots02:51
shawn146oh ti doesn't ajve a cmos02:51
shawn146or bios02:51
shawn146it boots from rom02:51
holsteinhmmm02:51
shawn146interesting lol02:52
shawn146lemme get down there02:53
shawn146if myd ads not already home02:53
shawn146ko i'l be on another nick in a bit02:53
holsteinshawn146: maybe you should consider a netbook02:53
holsteinthey are quite reasonably priced ;)02:54
shawn146i know02:54
shawn146i am a computer enthusiast02:54
shawn146i like old stuff a little more than new stuff02:54
shawn146beign i never seen it before, ro used one lol02:55
shawn146*or02:55
shawn146brb02:55
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shawn156back03:05
shawn156on the livecd pc03:05
shawn156harrison03:05
shawn156err holstein i mena03:05
shawn156sorry03:05
shawn156reisio here?03:06
holsteinyup03:07
shawn156reisio?03:07
holsteini was just looking around to see if puppy would run on there03:07
shawn156huh03:07
shawn156ohh03:07
shawn156lol03:07
shawn156gentoo does03:07
shawn156ive seen a version03:07
holsteinAH03:07
holsteincool03:07
holsteinmaybe you can see what kernel is being used03:07
shawn156lol03:07
shawn156ok now back to business lol03:08
holsteinthat was said to be the issue with puppy03:08
shawn156you want to try screen sharing?03:08
shawn156oh03:08
shawn156same with jlime lol03:08
holsteinhttp://badaboum.bidibom.free.fr/linux-jornada-fs/03:10
shawn156you want to try vnc holstein03:10
holsteincheck out http://www.lowlevel.cz/log/pivot/entry.php?id=4103:11
holsteinhttp://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~simigern/jornada-7xx/linux-2.4.31-j720/03:11
holsteini think thats your kernel ^^03:11
holsteinits a 2.403:11
shawn1562.6.25?03:12
shawn156oh03:12
holsteinnot sure if thats going to limit your choices of distros03:12
shawn156i am trying to use 2.6.2503:12
holsteinshawn146: if you got it all just ready to go03:12
holsteinand dump a kernel in03:12
holsteintry that one03:12
shawn156hey can you do vnc on ubuntu?03:12
holsteini do locally03:12
shawn156oh :(03:12
holsteini usually use teamviewer03:12
shawn156how do you it over the internet03:12
shawn156can that work on ubuntu?03:13
holsteinwith family members or whatever03:13
holsteinyup03:13
shawn156i use it on windows03:13
shawn156how?03:13
holsteintheres a 'linux' verion03:13
shawn156is their a linux versio03:13
shawn156wow03:13
holsteinuses wine though03:13
shawn156lol03:13
holsteinbut works great03:13
shawn156i'l get it03:13
holsteinnot sure how much of wine it uses03:13
holsteini like that its win lin and osx03:13
shawn156should i use the beta release or the dummy version03:14
shawn156what wine?03:14
holsteini didnt do anything special03:14
holsteinwhatever buntu had worked03:14
shawn156oh http://www.teamviewer.com/download/index.aspx?os=linux03:14
shawn156AWSOME ^_^03:14
shawn156guess i don't neet wine lol03:15
holsteinit'll use it03:15
holsteinyou'll see if you use it03:15
holsteini cant do it now though03:15
shawn156why03:15
shawn156:(03:15
holsteini gotta hang with my special lady :)03:15
shawn156i was hoping for now03:15
shawn156oh03:15
holsteingoing to take in a movie03:15
shawn156i was hoping to get this done before school tomorrow03:15
shawn156oh :(03:16
holsteinshawn146: try that kernel03:16
shawn156to show my friends03:16
shawn156i am a noob03:16
holsteinthat 2.4 one03:16
shawn156is their anyone else here that understands my problem?03:16
holsteinhowever you did the other one03:16
shawn156i switched to 2.6.2503:16
shawn156kernal03:16
holsteinyeah, just do the same thing you did there03:16
shawn156-_-03:16
holsteinbut with those files03:16
shawn156its soemthing with progs.txt03:16
holsteinim not really going to be very helpful03:16
shawn156probably03:16
shawn156oh03:16
holsteini just use kernels from the repos03:17
holsteinmaybe add a PPA here and there03:17
holsteinyou should be able to look at the CF card03:17
shawn156ppa?03:17
holsteinmount it in another machine03:17
holsteinand drop that kernel in03:17
shawn156i can't03:17
holsteinhmmm03:17
shawn156i don't have a cf reader on my laptop03:17
holsteinthat would be handy...03:17
holsteinyou got one on a printer or something?03:18
shawn156nope printer doesn't support cf03:18
holsteinthat would be ideal03:18
holsteinnot sure how else your going to get at it03:18
shawn156actually03:18
holsteinhmmm03:18
shawn156it does03:18
shawn156wow03:18
shawn156thats surprising03:18
holsteinall the how-to's i see that i feel like i could wrap my mind around need you to mount that CF card somehow03:19
shawn156hmm03:19
shawn156i will see if i can use that printer lol03:19
shawn156its card reader lol03:19
holsteini like this one03:19
holsteinhttp://badaboum.bidibom.free.fr/linux-jornada-fs/03:19
holsteinyou should be able to follow that guide pretty much right down the list03:20
shawn156ouch03:20
holsteinif you can mount the card in your printer03:20
shawn156its not really specific on troubleshooting03:20
holsteinshawn146: that guide?03:21
holsteini bet it'll just work :)03:21
shawn156hmm03:21
shawn156ifk03:21
shawn156>.>03:21
holsteinhopefully you dont need to troubleshoot anthing03:21
shawn156oh well i will try the printer lol03:21
holsteinyup ... thats the way to do it03:22
holsteinprepare the disk there, and boot it up03:22
shawn156k03:24
shawn156after i isntall linux on my laptop :P03:24
shawn156*install03:24
pigyman installing on this older imac buble is tuff03:34
shawn146ok back upstairs03:43
shawn146and my dad actually gave my the printer lol03:43
shawn146he was about to throw it away03:43
shawn146holstein you afk?03:52
holsteinnot really03:53
holsteini can see the screen03:53
holsteinwhats up?03:53
shawn146oh lol03:55
shawn146thought you left03:55
shawn146just preparing to restart the laptop03:55
shawn146and possibly install ubuntu lol03:55
shawn146hmm i ahve 76 BG's free03:56
shawn146should be enough lol03:56
shawn146well 30 BG's for linux03:56
shawn146if not 40-5003:56
shawn146should i do 40 GB's?03:56
shawn146holstein:03:58
holsteinup to you03:59
shawn146oh lol03:59
shawn146:P03:59
holsteinyou can always read the win hard drive in linux03:59
holsteinnot so easy the other way around03:59
shawn146lol04:05
shawn146ima make apartition04:05
shawn146will that hurt windows?04:05
shawn146if partitioning with ubuntu?04:05
shawn146or shoudl i make the partition with windows?04:05
holsteinwindows doesnt like for you to plan on getting rid or it04:06
holsteinof*04:06
shawn146huh04:06
holsteinif i were you04:06
shawn146it gives you the option of partitioning while windows is running04:06
holsteini would back everthing up04:07
holsteinimportant04:07
holsteinjust in case04:07
shawn146i already partitioned a partition for holding my back-ups04:07
shawn146already did :P04:07
shawn146=+)04:07
holsteinthe buntu installer will ask to install beside windows04:07
shawn146oh04:07
holsteini dont think you can resize partitions in windows04:07
holsteinyou can in gparted04:08
holsteinand thats what the live CD will do04:08
holsteinany installer disc will do that04:08
shawn146ima make the partition in windows as a prerequisite04:08
holsteinshawn146: you'll need to shrink the current partition04:08
shawn146i ahve used GPARted before and it crapped up my windows xp04:08
holsteinand you cant make an ext partition from xp04:08
holsteinor windows04:08
shawn146and i wasn't able to use that xp install anymore04:09
holsteinshawn146: just use the installer04:09
holsteini'll just do it automagically04:09
shawn146i am gonna do it with windows 7 :|04:09
holsteingo for it04:09
holsteindoes it resize partitions?04:09
shawn146yes04:09
holsteini guess you can just leave blank unpartioned space04:09
shawn146it actually shrinks them too04:10
shawn146taht functionality came in play in vista04:10
holsteinthats what you need04:10
holsteindo what makes you feel comfortable04:10
shawn146lol04:11
shawn146crap04:13
shawn146i did 400.0004:13
shawn146although this partitions only 350 GB;s04:13
shawn146i wonder if it will error04:13
shawn146and let me do only 400004:13
shawn146*40.0004:13
holsteindont know about that partioner04:13
shawn146way04:14
holsteintheres a little slider in the buntu one04:14
shawn146it says 39.00 lol04:14
shawn146wut am i thinking lol04:15
nit-witW7 if you don't pre format the ntfs partition will make the partition before or after it unallocated04:16
shawn146i will keep it as unallocated04:16
shawn146lol04:16
nit-witshawn146, do you understand it could make a install Ubuntu unallocated=gone04:17
shawn146?04:17
nit-witshawn146, if your asking a question you might want to phrase it out04:19
shawn146what do you mean by that04:20
nit-witshawn146, with a w7 install to a unallocated it makes two partions a boot 200Mib and the OS this for some reason screws up the partition before or after the 2 W7 partitions. If you make a ntfs preformatted with a bootflag with gparted is easiest W7 goes in the one partition and ;eaves everything intact04:22
nit-wit*leaves04:22
nit-witholstein, not trying to interrupt just looking around and noticed the unallocated for the W7 partition04:23
holsteinnah04:24
holsteingo for it04:24
holsteinive always just let buntu do it04:24
nit-witI thought it was a w7 after ubuntu my mistake04:24
shawn146oh lol04:25
shawn146ubuntu ahs its own partition selection screen lol04:25
nit-witsorry cary on04:25
shawn146well i will boot into teh 10.10 Livecd i ahve :D04:26
nit-wit*carry04:26
shawn146*have04:26
shawn146and whya rethere restricted drivers?04:26
shawn146*whya re04:27
shawn146*why are]04:27
shawn146oh well04:30
shawn146back04:57
holsteinshawn146: how did it go?04:58
shawn146i pulled up the install after selecting try live cd04:58
holsteinhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedDrivers04:58
shawn146i found the extra unallocated partition, and parked all of the others to not be used04:58
shawn146*marked04:58
holsteina bit about them04:58
shawn146the partition is /dev/sda604:59
shawn146\as ext404:59
shawn146it is selected for format04:59
shawn146but when i hit install04:59
shawn146it says no root file  system is defined04:59
shawn146Please correct this from the partitioning menu.05:00
holsteinright05:00
holsteinagain, another reason why i just let the istaller do it05:00
holsteinyou're in custom partitioning05:01
holsteinyou could probably say 'let ubuntu automatically partion using the extra empty space'05:01
shawn146how05:02
holsteinim not sure what your looking at05:02
holsteinBUT it should be earlier than where you are05:02
holsteinif you can go 'back'05:02
holsteinmaybe the first partitioner screen05:02
holsteinyou'll want ubuntu to have a few partitions05:02
holsteina swap partition05:03
holsteinyou can do that in the custom gparted tool there05:03
holsteinif you want05:03
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sidraceranyone know if unetbootin has a channel?05:05
shawn146how do i partition this freespace to the appropriate size?05:05
sidraceruse gparted05:06
shawn146and how would i tell gparted to partition?05:07
sidracerwhat are you running now?05:08
shawn146ubuntu livecd05:09
sidraceri am running kubuntu actually on this partition so i have to remember.. ;)    it should be in the menu05:09
sidracersystem or administration?05:09
holsteinthe installer will offer to do it automatically05:10
sidracercalled gparted partition editior or smth05:10
holsteinusing gparted05:10
sidraceryou want to resize your partitions beforehand?05:10
shawn146well it wont do it itself05:11
shawn146and id own't want it using any other partition05:11
shawn146it wills crew up things05:11
holsteinshawn146: im not sure you're in the proper place05:11
holsteinits always offered to partition for me in the past05:11
holsteineither resizing05:11
holsteinor not05:11
sidracerdo you have other partitions on there?05:12
holsteinshawn146: if you want to do it that way05:12
holsteinyou'll need to RTFM a bit05:12
shawn146yes i do05:12
holsteinand figure out how to make a swap part05:12
sidraceryou need to know which one it is...like sdaX where x is a number05:12
holsteinand set that part and a / part05:12
shawn146hmm05:12
shawn146can we do vnc05:12
sidracergo to a terminal and type sudo fdisk -l05:14
sidracerhow many partitions do you have?05:15
sidracerand how many drives?05:15
shawn146605:15
shawn1461 harddrive05:15
sidracerare they 'sda....' with numbers after the sda?05:15
sidracerdo you run windows or is just linux?  what are the file format?05:16
shawn146well ehre screencap05:16
sidracerscreencap?   are you putting a screen shot in pastebin?   i don't know about that stuff... i don't use irc much05:17
shawn146http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/6572/partitions.png05:17
shawn146i run windows05:17
shawn146but i am installing linux05:18
shawn146side05:18
sidracerdid you use all four of your primary partitions?05:19
shawn146huh?05:20
sidracerlooks like you might have but i might be confused ;) ... if you try to create a partition in the 'unallocated' space, what happens?05:20
nit-witsidracer, sda5 is a windows extended05:21
shawn146whats with /dev/sda4 extended?05:21
shawn146as 97.66BG's05:21
shawn146*BG's05:21
holsteini think you should spread that back out05:21
shawn146GB's05:21
holsteinand do a wubi install05:21
shawn146???05:22
sidracerlooks messy to me... but, when i mess mine up, i do it over... ;)05:22
sidracernit-wit: yeah, i guess so.......05:22
shawn146we  the DellUtility and RECOVER and OS are the ones id efinately need05:23
holsteinassuming they still work after grub05:23
shawn146and i made another partitiona s a backup05:23
holsteini dont know how that works05:23
nit-witsidracer, actually sda405:23
holsteinive always just wiped 'em out05:23
shawn146that 97.66 GB's is my own made back up partition05:23
shawn146i jsut want to use the 41 GB's05:24
sidraceryeah, sda 4 extended but why is there some unallocated above?05:24
shawn146umm no i don't want to touch the extended, that is my backups05:25
sidraceranyway, you should be able to format that one ext3 or ext4 with the unallocated space if you used logical partitions05:25
shawn146and idk why ther is 1 MB unallocated05:25
shawn146its all one harddrive05:26
holsteinhttp://techie-buzz.com/foss/install-ubuntu-10-10-inside-windows.html05:26
sidracerbecause you didn't use up the entire drive, that's why05:26
sidracerbeen there, done that... i say, always set up your partitions before installing05:26
sidracerif you have windows already... then make sure you have the space you want... that's my rule of thumb05:27
shawn146i do05:27
sidracerlaptops have these recovery partitions..  i don't know anything about them but they probably use up a primary partition05:27
shawn146that unallocated | unallocated | 41.02 GB's | --- | --- is the one i want05:28
sidracerwell, when you right click for options can you format that unallocated space?05:28
shawn146yes i can make a NEW partition05:29
sidracercan you choose ext3 or ext4?05:29
shawn146should i do 4?05:30
sidraceryeah, 4... then when it's done, make a note of which 'sda NUMBER' it gets05:30
shawn146k05:30
shawn146wut woa05:31
sidracersda6 maybe05:31
shawn146It is not possible to create moer than 4 primary partitions05:31
sidracerthen when you run the ubuntu installer, make sure you choose 'sda6' for where you install ubuntu05:31
holsteinmight want swap space too05:31
holsteindont have to though05:32
shawn146oiyh  i don't want to crap up anything05:32
shawn146ESPECIALLY my partition with everything i need05:32
sidracerit might be easier to resize it after it's formatted, though?   but, yeah, i see holstein's point05:32
holsteinshawn146: and you want to be aware of what is going to happen to the MBR05:33
shawn146wut05:33
holsteinand what GRUB is and does05:33
sidraceryeah, i think you should read up on it first, shawn... might be a good idea05:33
holsteinOR just do a wubi05:33
holsteinwubi is installed inside your windows part05:34
sidraceri think you could format it and then resize... shrink it... it would leave unallocated space and then you could format the smaller space left as swap05:34
sidracerholstein: does that sound right?05:34
holsteinyou just uninstall it like a program05:34
holsteinit = ubuntu05:34
sidracerbut, i would read a bit about partitioning and gparted first... and grub 2 as well05:34
holsteinsidracer: yeah, that'll work05:34
holsteini like it :)05:35
holsteinyeah, its the MBR and GRUB that i would be most concerned with05:35
holsteinwith those restore partitions05:35
sidraceri think that's what i would do just because it makes sense to me and i can picture it ...;-)05:35
shawn146wel the unallocated is ONLY where i want linux05:35
holsteinsince we're not given discs anymore to run fixmbr from :/05:35
holsteinshawn146: right05:36
holsteinbut GRUB is what you will get outside of that part05:36
shawn146oh05:36
holsteinjust so you know fully what you're getting into05:37
holsteinused to be05:37
holsteinfolk would put the linux boot loader on a floppy05:37
holsteinyou put the floppy in05:37
sidraceryeah, and if you can save up some money, get a large disk drive and store your backups and data on it! :)05:37
holsteinboot from that05:37
holsteinand you're in linux05:37
holsteinif its out05:37
holsteinyou get the windows booter05:38
holsteinwhatever thats called05:38
holsteinyou can have grub installed on that partition05:39
sidraceri wanted to boot up via usb stick but i can't...05:39
holsteinbut windows wont let you boot it then05:39
sidracerbut grub will detect windows, right?05:39
holsteinyup05:39
sidraceri don't think grub should be his problem as long as he installs it in the mbr05:40
holsteini havnet had any problems with it *not* detecting it05:40
holsteinthe few times ive done that05:40
holsteinsidracer: yeah, i'll work05:40
holsteinbut reverting05:40
sidracerif he picks the root directory... then he'll get in a jam05:40
holsteingetting back to this start05:40
holsteinstate*05:40
holsteinwithout a windows recovery disc05:40
holsteinthats what im not sure about05:40
sidracerno copy of windows?05:41
holsteinmaybe... shawn146 ?05:41
holsteini just saw that restore partition05:41
holsteinand thats usually all you get these days05:41
pyrxSay hi:msg # hi! | msg # how is everyone?05:41
sidraceryeah, i don't know what's that about... it's in so many laptops now05:42
holsteini dont mind it05:42
holsteini think its handy05:42
holsteinBUT when the drive fails, its gone05:42
shawn146hi05:42
sidracerwhat's it for?  i assume it just rebuilds the windows bootloader?05:42
holsteini used one once05:42
holsteinon a compaq05:43
shawn146wow05:43
holsteinjust restored the disc to 'out of the box' state05:43
sidraceroh05:43
sidracerso wipes out anything on there?05:43
holsteinthis one did05:43
holsteinbut i might have told it to05:44
sidraceri guess that's more reason to save your data on another separate drive05:44
holsteini dont remember if there was a 'resotoritive' option05:44
holsteinrestorative*05:44
holsteinsidracer: well, in theory05:44
holsteinthis would wipe that partition ;)05:44
shawn146if my dad is willing to spend hefty bucks05:44
sidraceri'm going to dual booting, actually, but i won't save anything on my partitions... just basic install plus installed apps but no data at all05:44
sidracershawn, why is sda3 almost full?  is that your data on there?05:45
shawn146yess05:46
shawn146its the os drive, plus all of the stuff that i am using05:46
sidraceri think you're living dangerously ;)05:46
holsteinhehe05:46
holsteinnot too bad i suppose05:46
sidraceri don't understand why some ppl leave data on their drives when they do stuff with gparted and grub05:47
holsteini like backups to be on a seperate drive05:47
sidracerfor sure05:47
shawn146oh05:47
shawn146i need to buy a drive for that05:47
sidracerbut, with that much space, you could have several partitions of stuff ... or experiment...05:47
holsteinif something happens to that partition table05:48
sidracershawn146: you should.... just to be safe05:48
shawn146but i have ot get a job05:48
shawn146and wait a couple months05:48
shawn146untill i can make money05:48
holsteinyou'd be using something like photorec to bit copy all that backup data05:48
holsteincrossing your fingers the whole time ;)05:48
sidraceri am re-doing my system and that is what i will do05:48
shawn146lol05:48
sidraceri have a 1tb with about 700gb left05:48
sidracerand i am switching my 500gb drive to ntfs so any windows stuff will go on that05:49
sidracerand i have left a 320gb drive for os05:49
shawn146ah05:49
sidracerreason i'm not using the 500gb is because it's older... i looked it up on disk charts and it's also slow ;)05:49
sidracereven though it's a 7200rpm05:50
sidracerso, if i need to run gparted on the 320gb... i can do it without worrying too much ;)05:50
sidraceri had data scattered everywhere... some was backed up but some wasn't05:51
shawn146oh05:51
sidraceri just finished tonight... i have about 2gb to move to a drive and i am ready to clean :)05:51
sidracerbut, i wanted to run a live cd called system rescue cd via usb stick but i can't get unetbootin to work! :-/ grrrrrrrr05:52
shawn146oh05:52
sidracerso, now i have to use up a cd to burn about 300mb ...annoying05:53
holsteinhmmm05:53
shawn146oh05:53
holsteini havnet tried system rescue from ubuntubootin05:54
sidracershawn, you might want to use a cloning software sometime too... to clone your system as is05:54
shawn146oh05:54
sidracerlike partition ghost or clonezilla....05:54
sidracerholstein: yeah?05:54
sidracerwell, it doesn't work for me... i think it's an awful program05:55
holsteini found https://www.sysresccd.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=314405:55
shawn146oh05:55
sidraceri thought booting from usb would have caught on by now05:55
holsteinits got a bad certificate05:55
holsteinbut i went there anyways05:55
sidracerit's a good cd05:56
holsteini unetboot lots of other stuff though05:56
sidracervery helpful and many options05:56
pyrxDo you need some help sidracer?05:56
holsteinhttp://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ is the one i tend to use most05:56
sidracerpyrx:  i don't think anyone can help me05:56
pyrxDo you need some help sidracer?05:56
shawn146i have ultimatebootcd lol05:56
shawn146had it for years now lol05:56
sidraceri resigned that it won't work05:57
sidraceri had that one too05:57
holsteinalright.. im out05:57
holsteinGN all05:57
sidraceri just wanted to create the most latest versions05:57
sidracergn holstein...thanks for your help05:57
pyrxDo you need some help sidracer?05:57
shawn146aww05:58
shawn146your leaving05:58
shawn146?05:58
shawn146holstein:05:58
pyrxoh sorry about that05:59
sidracerpyrx:  you sure asked a lot... lol06:00
sidracerdo you have experience with unetbootin?06:00
shawn146i do06:00
shawn146:06:00
shawn146|06:00
pyrxi was trying mirc scripts, turns out that only works when somebody else says the text06:01
shawn146oh06:01
sidraceri couldn't create a live usb of sytem rescue cd06:02
sidracerit gives me all these options on a black screen... in text... what the?06:02
sidracerwhy is it giving me an option to run DBAN?!? lol06:03
shawn146lol06:03
shawn146i love hdat2 in emergencybootcd06:03
shawn146it fixes all fo my bad sectors06:04
shawn146wb06:09
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jermzaHi there. Quick question about Gimp...07:14
Cheri703!question07:14
ubot2Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)07:14
Cheri703:)07:14
Cheri703I know...some about gimp07:14
karthick87jermza: Ask your question..07:15
jermzaWhen using the cursor keys, the distance the object is moved is very small. Where is the setting to greaten that distance?07:15
Cheri703if you press shift and your arrow it should jump (I believe)07:15
jermzaIs there a setting where you can adjust that default distance?07:16
Cheri703from what I can find, it looks like the only adjustable distance is the "snap" distance when using snap to guides or snap to grid07:23
Cheri703shift + arrow works decently well07:23
Cheri703in my experience07:24
jermzaThanks Cheri.  The jump is quite a big one, though!07:24
Cheri703well, it just depends on what you need07:24
Cheri703let me check something07:24
jermzaAnd the default nudge is quite small.  So I'm just wanting to increase the nudge distance (and decrease the jump distance).07:24
jermzaBTW, I know this is for Ubuntu, but I'm new to Ubuntu and have been a Photoshop junkie for years, but am enjoying Gimp (but still learning the sharp learning curve).07:25
Cheri703yeah, unless it's SPECIFICALLY photo editing, I tend to use inkscape07:27
Cheri703but then I used corel draw as a kid, not photoshop07:28
Cheri703so I'm more familiar with that style07:28
Cheri703does pressing and holding the arrow not move it fast enough? depends on your key repeat, I guess, but mine moves pretty quick07:29
Cheri703if you hold ctrl while dragging, it will "snap to" lines, so if you're going for horizontal, vertical, or diagonal, it will stay within those bounds07:30
jermzaAgain, not sure about non-Ubuntu-related questions, but, as a newbie, Evolution is part of Ubuntu to me. :-)  What I want to know is: is there a way to merge inboxes if I'm using IMAP?09:19
jermzaIf I use Evolution IMAP, to connect to Gmail, it loads two inboxes.  One of them is "On This Computer" and the other "Gmail".09:20
jermzaIs there a way to get messages to load into the inbox "On This Computer"?09:21
UndiFineDjermza: we are open to all questions, but i do not use evolution09:26
UndiFineDI think "On This Computer" is a local folder09:26
jermzaOkay, thanks.  I'll wait for someone to help.09:26
UndiFineDyou could also try on #ubuntu09:27
jermzaIn Apple Mail, IMAP brings the mail into the local inbox, so that there is one inbox rather than two.09:27
jermzaIn Ubuntu, when I double click on a picture, it opens in a little image in the Eye Of Gnome viewer.  Silly question, but, is there a setting to automatically re-adjust the size of the window, so that when I scroll through images, the window adjusts accordingly?09:53
jermzaCurrently, the window stays the size of the 1st image09:53
jermzaI can't seem to find a setting to change that.09:54
yax51ok I'm trying to install 9.10 on my desktop via LiveCD12:07
yax51was able to boot into he menu to install, but when I run the full install option,12:07
yax51I only get the ubuntu symbol, then a blank screen12:07
yax51any ideas?12:08
jermzaHow do I activate the Windows key on my keyboard?  And, by extention, how do I give it a command?12:20
hobgoblinjermza: in gnome - sys -prefs - keyboard shortcuts12:21
hobgoblinand I've no idea what you mean by activate it12:22
jermzaWhere exactly in Keyboard Shortcuts?12:23
hobgoblinhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/MappingWindowsKey12:26
yax51Ok I think I found out why it won't install, however I don't know how to fix it13:05
yax51cp: cannot stat '/custom-installation/initrd-override/*' No such file or directory13:06
yax51anyone know how to fix that?13:06
CensoredBiscuityax5113:09
yax51yo13:10
CensoredBiscuitwere you tr13:10
CensoredBiscuittrying WUBI?13:10
yax51yes13:10
CensoredBiscuitA lot of people dont use wubi for that reason13:11
yax51aaaah13:11
CensoredBiscuitI would suggest a full install13:11
CensoredBiscuiteither dual-boat or w.e13:11
yax51thats what I'm trying to do13:11
CensoredBiscuitWubi isn't a good way to do that13:12
yax51a full install after a hard drive wipe (although XP is being gay and wont let me format)13:12
CensoredBiscuitI would just boot to live cd13:12
CensoredBiscuitdo you know how to do that?13:12
yax51yeah, I was able to get into the install menu13:13
CensoredBiscuitthen what was the issue with live cd13:13
yax51but when I do the full install, it just gives me the ubuntu symbol for a little bit then a blank screen13:13
yax51and when I hit escape I get that error13:14
CensoredBiscuithmm whats your system?13:14
yax51a POS compaq13:14
yax51its my moms old computer, that is pretty much dead13:15
CensoredBiscuitI would need module numvers13:16
yax51I have no idea, I think it might be compaq FS74013:17
CensoredBiscuitin all honesty yax51 it just seems ubuntu just doesnt like that system13:19
yax51I figured as much......13:19
CensoredBiscuitmaybe it would be best to stick with XP sorry13:19
CensoredBiscuitI mean I googled the  module number13:20
yax51I was wondering if an older distro wold work better, seeing as its an old machine13:20
CensoredBiscuitmaybe xubuntu13:20
CensoredBiscuitor lubuntu13:20
yax51thats what I'm thinking, is got a 1.20 ghz processor and only 224 megs of ram13:21
yax51know where I can sill get xubuntu or lubuntu?13:24
JoeMaverickSettyax51: why not try lubuntu then? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu :)13:24
yax51can't seem to find it on the ubuntu page13:25
yax51nice! thanks!13:26
yax51this seems like it would run on my POS :)13:26
yax51now when making a live CD what would be the best way to go?13:28
yax51I was using brasero to burn it into an install disk....13:29
JoeMaverickSettyax51: burn it with the lowest possible speed.13:29
yax51ok....just out of curiosity how does that make a difference?13:30
JoeMaverickSettyax51: "A slower writing speed is less likely to result in a badly burned CD. Badly burned Ubuntu CDs can freeze up in the middle of booting up or installing." :)13:31
yax51aaaa that makes sense13:31
JoeMaverickSettquoted from this website; http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/iso :)13:31
yax51nice!13:32
JoeMaverickSettyax51: you would want to bookmark that site also, very handy indeed. :)13:32
yax51I wonder if that was the case with my other one.....13:32
JoeMaverickSettyax51: might have been. did you also check the md5sum?13:32
yax51the who?13:33
JoeMaverickSettyax51: did you check the md5sum of the downloaded iso?13:33
JoeMaverickSettyax51: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM13:33
yax51no.....you guys are smart!!13:34
yax51cool its good!!13:39
JoeMaverickSettgood luck then. :)13:40
yax51here goes nothing........13:48
JoeMaverickSettthere goes something. :D13:49
yax51yeah, it still doesn't like my 9.10 install......I'm downloading lubuntu right now, and that might go better...13:53
yax51but it's taking awhile as I've only got 150KB/sec speed :(13:54
yax51ok random question, does anyone know if there is a linux mobile? other then andriod?14:07
head_victimmeego is still in development14:09
yax51hmmm....meego 1.1 is available...14:12
yax51I'll have to keep an eye on that! it seems pretty cool14:15
head_victimyax51: I'm still hoping to see it on a device I can use :/.14:22
head_victimI don't like the concept of android because from what I can read it doesn't like you storing personal info anywhere but on google's servers, which I won't do.14:22
yax51head_victim: I totally agree!! I have the HTC touch pro 2, but it's still too early to tell if it's supported14:26
jermzaWhen I open a folder, there is that Ubuntu One ticker that sits at the top, prompting synchronising etc.14:28
jermzaHow do I hide it?14:28
jermza(Hide but keep active)14:29
geirhaIt does? Any folder or just the Ubuntu One folder and folders under it?14:37
yax51hmmm ok i've download lubuntu 10.10, and burned the iso, but it won't boot up....14:46
yax51am I doing something wrong?14:46
head_victimWhat sort of error message is it giving oyu14:47
head_victimyou*14:47
yax51its not, it just wont boot from the cd14:47
yax51I don't want to use wubi....is there another way/14:48
head_victimAh you probably need to change the bios settings to boot off the cd first14:48
yax51I did....it works with the failed 9.10 cd....14:49
head_victimSo it doesn't boot at all, sits at a cursor, sits on a blank screen or boots into the normal hdd?14:50
yax51boots into normal hd14:50
jermzaAnyone know how I can hide the Ubuntu One "synchronise" ticker at the top of my folder windows?14:50
head_victimjermza: sorry I haven't ever used Ubuntu One14:51
head_victimyax51: sounds to me like a bios not booting into CD or the CD not working (corrupted, not burned properly, damaged, etc)14:51
yax51hmmm14:52
hobgoblinjermza: try right clicking in a folder with the ticker in and then go to the ubuntuone options - hide ribbon - think that should work14:54
yax51either that or this computer is an old POS that doesn't want to do anything......14:55
jermzaYes that worked. Thanks.14:56
hobgoblinjermza: cool14:57
yax51ok is there any other way to make it boot from the cd?15:20
yax51ive changed te bios to read from the cd15:21
yax51I've even gone to a one time boot setup, but still nothing15:21
hobgoblinwb15:33
yax51GRRR ANGER!!!15:38
yax51I will not let this POS computer defeat me!!!!15:44
jermzaIn the top panel, under my name, there is a drop-down menu that relates to my chat options.  At the top of that drop-down, there is a little field called "post something" (which allows me to post to Twitter, it seems)15:48
jermzaMust I delete the "post something" bit?  If I leave it, then will it be included in my posted message?  (I'm too scared to try...)15:49
yax51any reasons as to why a computer won't boot from a cd? but will discover it?15:57
doezyax51, corrupt or bad data?15:58
Yorvykyax51, at what speed are you burning15:59
yax51slowest possible15:59
yax51I am trying to install lubuntu 10.10, and the md5sum is good16:00
yax51I was able to get it to boot a couple of time before, with 9.10, but it didn't want to install....but now it won't even boot that cd anymore16:01
doezyax51, you could try booting from a USB.16:01
yax51yeah, this computer is so old it doesn't have that option16:06
yax51i tried though16:06
jermzaAnyone know anything about the social media post option in the top panel?16:06
JoeMaverickSettjermza: i think you should delete it, coz i tried it just now, and it went with a "<message>Post to: twitter..." :)16:07
JoeMaverickSettthe last few times i used it, i always delete that "Post to: twitter.."16:08
aveilleuxyax51: have you tried the Netboot intall CD?16:08
aveilleuxyax51: If the CD drive's going bad, and you have a decent Internet connection, it might be the way to go.16:08
yax51hmmm no I havent16:08
jermzaokay... something for the developers to fix, it seems16:09
jermzasmall attention to detail16:09
yax51that good work....16:09
aveilleuxyax51: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD16:09
aveilleuxyax51: I've never used it to install anything other than the command-line install, I'm not entirely sure you can install the "Desktop" (graphical system) right off the Netboot.16:10
hobgoblinyou can16:10
aveilleuxthanks, hobgoblin16:10
aveilleuxhobgoblin: Is it one of the menu options? I've never looked at the menu.16:10
hobgoblinfrom memory you install it - apt-get blah16:11
aveilleuxhobgoblin: Oh, no, that's not what I meant.16:11
hobgoblinjust looking over some bookmarks - see if I've still got stuff16:11
hobgoblinno I know what you meant ...16:11
aveilleuxhobgoblin: I meant going straight from netboot to desktop.16:11
yax51well we'll find out here in a minute! ;)16:12
Yorvyk\o16:12
aveilleuxyax51: This might help you if you can't get a desktop right off the Netboot CD: http://minimal-desktop.blogspot.com/p/guide.html16:12
hobgoblinbookmarks all gone in the last great clear out - though there is a pyschocat page that's easy enough to follow16:13
yax51cool thanks16:13
aveilleuxyax51: The guide there uses the Alternate install CD, so the installation will be slightly different, but it's all pretty straightforward.16:13
yax51also anyone know how to start a network boot?16:13
aveilleuxyax51: You mean the Netboot CD, or something else>16:13
aveilleux?*16:13
hobgoblinif there's a problem with the cd drive it might have as much trouble with that16:14
aveilleuxhobgoblin: I've found that the amount of data on the Netboot CD is usually little enough. It barely reads 10M off the disc anyhow, and gets the rest from the Internet16:15
Yorvykyax51, can you swap cd drives between two machines16:15
hobgoblinI know = the alternate is not 10Mb though16:15
aveilleuxWho put that button there16:15
hobgoblinI know = the alternate is not 10Mb though - I said16:15
hobgoblinit was elfy aveilleux - I'll get him later16:15
aveilleuxhobgoblin: That's why I suggested the Netboot.16:15
hobgoblinaveilleux: we are both suggesting the same thing ...16:16
aveilleuxhobgoblin: are we?16:18
hobgoblinthink so16:18
hobgoblinanyway - I'm not here really16:19
yax51what I mean is do I do a network boot on the machine I am trying to install onto?16:21
aveilleuxyax51: No. You burn the Netboot installation CD (which I linked above -- Called the "Minimal CD") and run that. It contains network boot code that will automatically fetch what you need from the Internet.16:21
yax51aaaah nice16:22
jermzaWhat is Emerald Theme Manager?  Did it come with Ubuntu?16:22
aveilleuxjermza: Emerald merged with Compiz a while back. Compiz comes with Ubuntu by default, yes.16:22
jermzaOkay, so I'll lave it there.16:23
jermzaleave*16:23
aveilleuxjermza: "Emerald" is the default windowing manager for Compiz (as opposed to Metacity for GNOME), but it makes no difference since Ubuntu uses Compiz with Metacity.16:23
hobgoblinemerald's not installed as default - might be part of compiz - but emerald itself isn't default16:24
jermzaDoes anyone know if Evolution's tasks and calendar sync to the mail?16:32
jermzaeg, if I  flag a mail as imortant, then - like in Outlook = does it add it to the tasks?  Currently, it doesn't, and I'm wondering if there is a setting that I missed.16:32
aveilleuxjermza: Is it IMAP or POP?16:33
jermzaIMAP16:33
aveilleuxHm, what kind of server is it? Exchange>16:34
aveilleux?*16:34
jermzaGmail16:34
aveilleuxVery interesting. IMAP labels should stay regardless of what client... though I wouldn't put it past Outlook to not place the labels on the server end (just lay them on the client)16:34
jermzaBut I use my local calendar16:34
aveilleuxjermza: Is your calendar set to sync to the Gmail one?16:36
jermzaI'll check.... hang on16:36
jermzaWhere is that setting?16:38
jermzaWhere do I check that?16:38
aveilleuxjermza: http://www.ehow.com/how_4488736_sync-evolution-calendar-google-calendar.html16:39
aveilleuxjermza: I don't actually use Evolution so it's a little out of my experience16:39
jermzaI'm actually wanting to sync to my local calendar16:40
jermzabut any calendar will do, I suppose16:40
aveilleuxjermza: What do you mean, "local calendar"?16:40
jermzahang on, I'm not looking to sync my calendars....  I'm wondering how to add a task by simply flagging a mail - in Outlook, if you flag a mail as Important, then it adds it to Outlook's tasks as something to follow-up.16:41
jermzaI already have my Google calendar synced.16:42
aveilleuxThat sounds like an Evolution function -- I wouldn't know about that16:42
MrAnthropeYou can sync your local calendar to gmail?16:52
aveilleuxMrAnthrope: What do you mean by "local calendar"?16:54
MrAnthropeohnm. I thought you were talking about the one in the task bar.16:54
aveilleuxMrAnthrope: That doesn't store tasks in it, does it?16:55
MrAnthropeJust looking, no. :)16:55
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zkriesseOk, I have a question18:05
aveilleuxzkriesse: I might have an answer :D18:05
zkriesseI need to make a .sh script (bash) which will run a .php file18:05
* zkriesse knows nothing of bash to go easy18:05
aveilleuxWell instead of making a bash script, you can make a PHP script (#!/usr/bin/php instead of #!/bin/bash as the first line)18:06
zkriesseOk, lemme give a bit more detail18:07
zkriesseMy dad has a php script/file that he has to run at a certain time each day...on windows he uses a .bat file to run it...and since he also uses task manager it is set to run at pc startup, checks if it is running or not and if it isn't it starts the .bat file which in turn starts the php file18:08
zkriesseBUT, since the server is using CentOS and he knows nothing of Linux he looked at me.....18:09
aveilleuxzkriesse: Can you pastebin the batch file? I can translate it into bash.18:09
zkriesseSeriouslY?18:09
aveilleuxWell yest18:10
aveilleux-t18:10
zkriesseI'd give you a hug18:10
aveilleuxI like hugs :D18:10
* zkriesse gives hugs to aveilleux 18:10
aveilleux:D18:10
zkriesseOk hold on..tryin to get the .bat file from my dad18:11
zkriessehttp://pastebin.com/yQrWbHNJ18:12
zkriesseIt goes in a day18:12
zkriesseactually, this is the proper style he has http://pastebin.com/MvYYPZVM18:13
zkriesseFirst one is null18:13
aveilleuxThat uh18:13
aveilleuxdoesn't check to see if the file is being run already18:14
aveilleuxIt just kinda does run.18:14
zkriessewhich one18:15
aveilleuxBoth.18:15
zkriesseThe first link? First link is bad...use second one18:15
zkriesseAh...well that's what he gave me18:15
zkriessehe uses windows task manager to check for it18:15
aveilleuxWell I'll write what he wants, I guess18:15
aveilleuxps can do that just fine18:15
zkriesseps?18:16
aveilleuxWhere is the PHP file located? /var/www-data/BETA/MSI-Flex/ ?18:16
zkriesselemme ask18:16
aveilleuxzkriesse: ps, you know, the CLI process manager18:16
zkriesseah18:16
* zkriesse facepalms18:17
zkriesseC:\WebServer\Apache2.2\htdocs\BETA\MSI-Flex\ap_jobs.php and the ar_jobs would be located the same..18:18
zkriesseMake sense?18:18
aveilleuxWell18:20
aveilleuxI kinda need to know where it's located in CentOS.18:20
aveilleuxSince the Apache data folder is in different places on Windows and Linux.18:20
zkriesseok give me a second18:20
zkriessetrying to remember where it would go18:22
zkriesseOk, it'd be in the /var/www/ folder18:26
zkriesseHe says he can modify it to fit what he wants but he needs the basic shell/skeleton18:26
* zkriesse hates being in the middle18:26
aveilleuxOkay18:27
zkriesseAm I making any sense or am I just blowing bubbles :D18:27
aveilleuxIt makes sense18:27
aveilleuxDoes he need it to loop forever like that?18:27
zkriesseI believe so18:29
zkriesseJust as confused as you aveilleux18:29
zkriesse:D18:30
aveilleuxzkriesse: Can he run a quick test command for me, please?18:32
zkriesseOn windows?18:32
aveilleuxzkriesse: On CentOS18:32
zkriesseAh I can run it on buntu18:32
aveilleuxWell I need it to be run on the server18:32
zkriesseok lemme ask18:32
zkriesseWhat's the command?18:32
aveilleuxTo make sure the output of ps is as expected18:32
aveilleuxWell first tell him to run nano & #to get nano running in the background18:33
aveilleuxThen have him run: ps -ef |grep nano |grep -v grep |cut -d ' ' -f 618:33
aveilleuxAnd tell me the output18:33
zkriessewe can't18:34
zkriesseIt's a locked server apparently18:34
aveilleuxWell uh18:35
zkriesseNone of the customers will allow outside world access to it18:35
aveilleuxthen he can't run scripts at startup, can he18:35
zkriessehell I have no idea18:35
zkriesseThis is what he asked for, Im trying to give it to him18:35
aveilleuxThis is about what he wants http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/549935/18:35
aveilleuxDo you want me to comment it?18:35
zkriessesure18:36
aveilleuxhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/549939/18:38
zkriessethanks very much18:39
aveilleuxNo problem18:40
aveilleuxLet me know how it works out18:40
zkriessewill do18:40
BRhow is everyone doing today?18:42
aveilleuxPretty okay, BR18:44
BRthats good18:44
BRanyone tried out plan 9 before18:44
aveilleuxBP: this Plan 9? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs18:45
BRyeah18:46
aveilleuxBP: I've played around with it, but not much more than a cursory look18:46
BRyeah thats what Im doing too waiting for it to finish installing18:47
BRhave you tried out archlinux before18:47
aveilleuxBR: I have18:48
BRhow is it18:48
aveilleuxBR: It's a much different experience from Ubuntu, certainly. Much of the system has to be built up from the ground.18:49
BRyeah I tried to install it once before and never got even far thinkin about tried to get it to install18:49
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Silver_Fox_Hello.20:58
vzwguyjayhello all21:25
vzwguyjayi am having an issue with trying to install something and it states it cannot commit to /etc hg21:25
red-ravenhey guys.21:34
Silver_Fox_Hello red-raven21:34
Silver_Fox_How are you?21:35
red-ravenso, i have a new Linux project (possible)21:35
red-ravengood, how about you Silver_Fox?21:35
Silver_Fox_I am fine thank you red-raven :)21:35
red-ravenim rehabilitating an old Dell Dimension 3000. its got viruses galor. It has XP on it. what i want to do is format the HD, but keep XP, so its factory-new. haven't used it in a while, so not many files i  need from it. then i want to dual boot linux on it. any way to wipe it but keep XP?21:38
Silver_Fox_red-raven: can  you fix all the windows viruses ?21:40
red-ravenit a virus called norton. ive tried to no avail. a girl at my school killed the same one on hers, but im not sure how. id rather just restore it.21:41
Silver_Fox_I am not amazingly brilliant with window but i thought norton was an anti-virus program ?21:42
red-ravennorTON is, norTEL is desgined to fool you into mistaking its for norton. its a false security program that claims a lot of things are "security threats", when really they are just programs that have the capacity to kill it, like DOS and other REAL security programs21:45
red-ravenSilver_Fox, anyways, it has all the major components intact even though it wasn't used for so long. decent HD (don't know size or partitions), RAM (not much, but enough) Wireless antena, monitor, and all the other good stuff work. its just slowed down after all these years and then the virus didn't help.21:52
red-ravenSilver_Fox, do you know if this will run Linux?22:01
red-ravenhttp://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/dell-dimension-3000-pentium/4507-3118_7-31223771.html22:01
Silver_Fox_which distribution  do you wish to install ?22:05
pleia2red-raven: yeah, it might be a bit slow with 512M of RAM (we have a lab with similar dells, working to upgrade to 1G on them all)22:11
red-ravenProbably the standared Ubuntu. But this is my second time doing it, so i might want to have a little fun doing it. any others you can recomend to experiment with that would work on it? this is going to be my "mess with it and if it breaks, oh well. format and reinstall".22:12
red-ravenwould it be possible to convince it to use a pin drive as RAM? or am i crazy>22:12
red-raven?*22:12
pleia2pin drive?22:12
Silver_Fox_Hey pleia2 ,  its been a while.  things keeping well? :)22:12
pleia2Silver_Fox_: hey :) yep, all is well22:13
red-ravenyes. like leave a USB pluged in all the time and have it use it like an extra stick of RAM.22:13
pleia2red-raven: a usb stick?22:13
red-ravenis it possible to convince it to do that?22:13
red-ravenyes.22:13
pleia2those have limited writes, not at all good to use as a ram (swap) partition22:14
red-ravenohhhhhhh ok. darn. well, worth a shot.22:14
pleia2it may work for a couple of weeks, but it'll be slow and you'll destroy the drive22:14
red-ravento much power?22:14
Silver_Fox_the speed would too slow for usb ram22:14
red-ravenok. so i might upgrade it later.22:15
red-ravenanyways, back to the last question. any good distros that A: it can run and B: are good for a person who's just wants to experiment with linux/computers in general?22:16
Silver_Fox_slitaz22:16
red-ravenNever heard of it.22:16
Silver_Fox_http://www.slitaz.org/en/22:17
red-ravenok so its designed to be Ubuntu light?22:17
yax51I AM VICTORIOUS!!!!!22:23
red-ravenCONGRATS! at what exactly?22:24
yax51I was basically trying to do what red-raven is doing, except get rid of XP....22:24
red-ravenlol awesome. i have parents that want XP on it, sooo..... but its no loss if i toast it. its old and we have laptops now, so i dont get why they care.22:25
yax51red-raven: I ended up scrapping the whole machine and just installed ubuntu on a fresh one........22:26
yax51red-raven: there wasn't much I could do with all the viruses....windows wouldn't even function enough to start to get rid of them22:27
red-ravenfresh machine?22:27
yax51yup, had a few spares22:27
red-ravenoh ok. well can't i just restore the whole brick to how it was when it came to me? and then XP would still be on it. or is the only option nuclear?22:28
yax51it was a compaq FS740, so I wasn't upset at all about losing one, if anything I can pick it for spare parts ;22:28
WastedWillowNerver an problem with spare parts22:29
yax51I couldn't figure out a way, though with the ubuntu live CD you're supposed to be able to format or partition the hdd22:29
yax51but my hdd was so jacked up, that didn't work....22:29
red-ravennope.22:29
yax51it had a 1.2 ghz processor, and 224 megs or RAM22:29
yax51of*22:30
yax51it was basically dead, and only still lived out of spite22:30
red-ravenso in order to get it back to the point where its got nothing but XP, i have to manually remove the viruses?22:30
yax51pretty mch22:30
yax51*much, good luck with that22:30
yax51you could try the live CD and see what happens.....22:31
red-ravenfudge. maybe i can get to DOS before it does. seems like the only option. any way to cage or at least stall it while i put in the codes?22:31
yax51maybe run as administrator......but I don't know, thats how I was able to do ANYTHING22:32
yax51I had to log in as admin...22:32
red-raventhere are no admin profiles on it. i didn't know about computers as much at the time.22:33
yax51when you go to the profile log in, hit ctrl-alt-del twice and a dialog box will come up, type in administrator as the name, and the default password is password....22:34
red-ravenok. idk the name though.22:34
red-ravenit was me and my bro's.  but my parents set it up.....22:35
yax51the name should be administrator22:35
red-ravenoh ok thx.22:35
yax51np22:35
red-ravenill boot it up real quick.22:35
yax51cool22:35
red-ravenlol. quick. riiiiiight....22:35
yax51and by real quick you mean at least 5 min. ;)22:35
WastedWillowHaha22:39
WastedWillowWhat all is it you're trying to do22:39
red-ravenhey its up.22:39
red-ravenwipe an old dell dimension 3000, keep XP on it, and Dual boot Ubuntu or something.22:40
WastedWillowGotcha22:40
red-ravenbut its got an infestation i need to kill first.22:40
WastedWillowAre you trying save stuff on it?22:40
WastedWillowOr just not wipe it22:40
red-raveni need a few things, but once i have them all the rest is toast.22:41
red-ravenok, its up, but i have to empty the dish washer. BRB.22:41
WastedWillowCan ubuntu read and write the windows filesys?22:44
WastedWillowThus just pluck it off to a usb driver or something like that22:44
red-ravenwhat do you mean?22:46
WastedWillowI was thinking boot into the live cd, then if ubuntu can see the windows driver22:47
WastedWillowdrive* pardon me22:47
WastedWillowthen just take it off, skip xp entirely22:48
red-ravenyah but i need XP intact.22:51
red-ravendo the cammnds and methods from this site seem legit: http://www.removevirus.org/virus-and-spyware-news/remove-nortel-antivirus-29122:51
WastedWillowWhat kind of virus22:52
red-ravennortel. fake security. popups, slowdowns, file curruptions, and it can take down anything that can kill it.22:54
yax51you don't have an XP disc?22:54
red-ravencrap. my desktop keeps poping up, reloading, over and over again. i can't open CMD.22:54
holsteinunless you're gaming, i think its nice to have windows in virtualbox22:54
holsteinontop of buntu22:54
red-ravenmaybe.22:54
holsteinyou have those 'snapshots' to revert to22:55
holsteini do that for family members sometimes22:55
holsteini call a snapshot 'pre-virus' ;)22:55
WastedWillowtry running combofix in safe mode22:57
holsteintheres an AVG live cd22:57
red-ravenim booting into safe mode now.22:58
holsteinwith networking ;)22:59
red-ravenok, it up in safe mode as the admin. now to end you, freakish abomination which has caused me so much pain....23:03
yax51death to XP!!!!23:05
red-ravenno no no just nortel.23:06
red-ravenok WTF. the processes aren't in the task manager in safe mode!23:06
yax51aaaah the OTHER freakish abomination that has caused so much pain.....23:06
red-ravenyes. but where are the processes!?23:07
yax51I don't know...it is safe mod, so maybe you can't access them in safe mode23:08
red-ravenbut if they aren't running, then that means.....the virus must not be active right now. also meaning that i can kill it and it wont put up a fight.23:11
yax51in theory23:13
red-ravenWTFFFFFFFFFFFF! the registrys aren't there eitheR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!23:13
yax51HAHAHA!!!!23:13
yax51sorry I haven't slept yet, and I found that really amusing23:14
red-ravenlol. i hate it. when im in safe mode, it hides like a coward.23:15
red-ravennone of the things i need to delete are here!!!!!!! WTFFFFFFF!23:16
yax51I'm going to try the AVG recovery disc, and see if that helps...23:18
red-raveni can't kill it in normal mode, can't find it in safe mode......wtf....23:19
red-ravenanyone got any ideas?23:21
yax51red-raven: did you try a recovery disc?23:21
WastedWillowWell, try this23:21
WastedWillowopen regedit23:21
red-raveni might do that. would have liked to get some stuff off first....23:21
red-ravenok done. now what?23:22
WastedWillowgo to hkey(current user)>software>microsoft>windows>current>run23:22
WastedWillowand look in there for a random string of #s23:22
red-ravenonly two files. {default} and MSMSGS.23:23
red-raveni did that already though. the website i found guided me there.23:24
WastedWillowsorry23:24
WastedWillowjust kinda thinking23:24
WastedWillowmy other two thoughts23:24
WastedWillowdownload malware anti malware23:25
WastedWillowand combofix23:25
red-ravenout of disk space...23:25
WastedWillowthey're pretty small23:25
WastedWillowhrm23:25
red-ravenoMB23:25
WastedWillowhaha23:25
WastedWillowgot another comp and a usb driver?23:25
WastedWillowdammit, drive*23:25
red-ravenidk. might try it. dont want to infect another USB thought...23:26
pleia2WastedWillow, red-raven, can you take this windows cleanup discussion elsewhere? it's very off-topic here23:26
WastedWillowits in order for him to dual boot!23:26
WastedWillowbut okies23:26
pleia2you're welcome to return when you get to that point :)23:27
red-ravenany other modes i  could try booting into? i saw a bunch there.23:27
WastedWillowsounds good23:27
red-ravenok i will. any good IRCs i could try?23:27
collinpThere's #windows23:28
collinpThis is a Ubuntu support channel, though.23:28
red-ravenis #windows any good, or will i get a bunch of M$-tards?23:29
holsteinonly one way to find out23:29
collinpI'm not entirely certain of what you mean by that. It's a Windows support channel.23:29
pleia2!M$23:29
ubot2Please don't use silly misspellings to denigrate other operating systems. It makes users of that system feel attacked, and hurts Ubuntu advocacy by making the community look unreasonable.23:29
holsteinhey, you can always call M$ ;)23:30
holsteinlol23:30
holsteinsorry23:30
holsteinmicrosoft*23:30
red-ravenok, im about to go where no sane person has gone before...into the underworld, that is the windows IRC..... see you on the other side....23:30
holsteinred-raven: good luck :)23:31
yax51red-raven: beware the trolls!!23:31
WastedWillowwell as far as ubuntu goes23:31
WastedWillowim learning23:31
WastedWillowI can install and do the essentials23:31
WastedWillowbut I wanted to ask for a goal23:31
WastedWillowI know I should probably figure it out, but I work better with something to23:32
WastedWillowdo23:32
holsteinWastedWillow: i have been slowly adding tasks in the commandline23:32
yax51WastedWillow: what are you trying to do?23:33
red-raventhe urge to troll this thing is so tempting....23:34
collinpDo not troll the Windows channels unless you wish to reflect badly upon Ubuntu.23:34
collinpUbuntu is a jumping off point for previous Windows and Apple users. This isn't the place to go bashing either.23:35
yax51red-raven: I went in for advice, and got accused of being a troll....23:35
WastedWillowI don't know much about linux23:36
WastedWillowand tbh, I want to learn more23:36
collinpI learned as I went.23:36
collinpFind something you enjoy about Linux and work on that.23:36
holsteinWastedWillow: do you need a server for anything?23:36
holsteinmaybe a file server23:36
holsteinssh or something23:36
collinpYou'll acquire more and more knowledge as you go along.23:36
collinpIt's not something you can learn overnight.23:36
red-ravenim not going in the name of ubuntu lol.23:36
holsteinthat can be handy, and since its not your main machine, i think that can be less stressful23:37
WastedWillowMAybe I'll get an older box and make a server, I like that!23:37
collinpYou're in an Ubuntu channel, and the Ubuntu channel sent you there.23:37
red-ravenfine......23:38
holsteinWastedWillow: http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi23:38
holsteinthat was a pretty fun way for me to get in the terminal everyday23:38
holsteinand i use screen a lot now23:38
WastedWillowOKay, I will be back soon I hope23:44
nit-witred-raven, I have ##windows in my favorites some good help there at times23:44
red-ravenok ok..... its useless so far though....23:45
nit-witred-raven, do you have a XP cd23:49
nit-witred-raven, does it have a recovery partition23:49
wilkanautholstein: score!23:50
holsteinwilkanaut: you running irssi in screen ?23:50
wilkanautyes23:51
holstein:)23:51
wilkanauterr wait, not in screen23:51
wilkanauton it23:51
holsteinwell23:51
holsteinthats easy enough for later if you want to23:51
holsteinwilkanaut: other little things too23:53
holsteinnext time you want to make a folder23:53
holsteintry it in the command line23:53

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