[00:09] <nit-wit> pigy, probably to under powered a swell
[00:09] <nit-wit> *as well
[00:09] <geirha> debian might have builds for older macs, I don't think ubuntu has.
[00:13] <holstein> pigy: i have had decent luck with suse PPC
[00:13] <holstein> but i plan on using my old ppc macs as ssh boxes
[00:13] <holstein> gonna get the ppc buntu server
[00:14] <pigy> it starts to install .. then at a point screen goes blank.. and sound like something it happening
[00:14] <pigy> but can see anything
[00:17] <holstein> pigy: i had graphics issues
[00:17] <holstein> i got to a desktop with 10.04
[00:17] <holstein> i forget how
[00:17] <holstein> maybe safe graphics mode
[00:19] <pigy> on prompt i installe with live-powerpc
[00:21] <holstein> do what you want, but i have 2 PPC macs
[00:22] <holstein> one slower and one faster than yours
[00:22] <holstein> and im not going to run gnome on them
[00:30] <n9vv> I have tried every daily build of natty and I can not get any one of them to boot.  Every one panics and won't even open an install dialogue. My PC is a Dell Dimension desktop 5150 cual core with 2GB RAM and 2 SATA disks. I have tried both USB and CDROM .iso booting with no luck.
[00:32] <holstein> n9vv: did you try that last 'stable' iso
[00:32] <holstein> whatever alpha that was...
[00:32] <holstein> not that thats going to help
[00:32] <holstein> hmmm...
[00:32] <n9vv> :-) yes I did try the 11.04 Alpha-1 and it seemed to install o.k. on my little mITX Atom 330. But not on my Dell.
[00:33] <n9vv> I believe the date was December 2, 2010.
[00:33] <holstein> n9vv: what graphics card is that?
[00:33] <n9vv> Nvidia 8600GT
[00:33] <holstein> did you try F6 nomodeset
[00:34] <n9vv> no, sorry, I did not know about F6.  I kept trying CTRL+ALT+Fx to get to a text window. I tried CTRL+F8 to get X to run -- no luck.
[00:43] <pigy> how long does the install tak
[00:43] <pigy> *take
[00:44] <pigy> i bot ubuntu@ prompt
[00:44] <n9vv> Right now I am trying to install today's build from a USB stick on the mITX Atom 330. The install menu came up, I made the choice to INSTALL and then it went BLACK SCREEN OF DEATH (BSOD) <g> took about 15 seconds
[00:48] <n9vv> Hummm.... this time I rebooted (hard power off/on boot) and selected the "HELP" screen.  I got what looked like a root white letters on black fast long list of commands that looked like it was booting.  then BSOD  :-(
[00:49] <holstein> n9vv: this is a live CD ?
[00:50] <n9vv> Well I thought it was the USB equivalent of a LiveCD.  I used Unetbootin to creat it.
[00:51] <holstein> n9vv: have you tried
[00:51] <holstein> when booting
[00:51] <holstein> you'll see options at the bottom
[00:51] <holstein> F6
[00:52] <holstein> i think its nomodeset
[00:52] <n9vv> O.K. I don't see any options at the bottom, but I will try F6 to see how it runs. Thank you very much for the suggestion.
[00:52] <holstein> you'll either see F6 down there or not
[00:53] <holstein> its right at the beginning
[00:53] <holstein> or it was...
[00:54] <holstein> i installed from an alternate installer disc
[00:54] <n9vv> Right. No F6. I also tried building the USB stick with LiLi USB Creator and same thing. BSOD.
[00:55] <n9vv> O.K. I haven't tried the ALTERNATE and I sure can. I don't think I saw it in the daily build.  Maybe I should just drop back to the December 02 Alpha-1?
[00:56] <holstein> n9vv: nah
[00:56] <holstein> the alternate might do the same thing
[00:56] <holstein> im suggesting you try whatever 'safe graphics mode' has become
[00:57] <holstein> you can only install fromt he alternate disc
[00:57] <pigy> looks like i installed ubuntu but only text and dont see gui. im in command prompt can i launch a gui from here ?
[00:57] <holstein> cant run live and check it out
[00:57] <holstein> pigy: what did you install?
[00:58] <pigy> i typed live vidoe=ofonly
[00:58] <pigy> and then got me to prompt with ubuntu@ubuto
[00:59] <pigy> read artcile to change xorg.cofing but dont see that file
[00:59] <pigy> only dir i see in command is destop
[01:00] <n9vv> Pigy, can you type in "startx" at the command prompt?
[01:02] <pigy> get errors
[01:02] <pigy> like screens not found
[01:03] <n9vv> Pigy - right, I have seen the same thing. There is no xorg.conf any more in /etc/X11/ and I was lost at that point.
[01:08] <n9vv> o.k. I will leave the chat for now. I found a torrent of the Natty Alpha-1 and will download it and try to build another .iso USB or CDROM. Thank you all .  HAPPY HEALTHY NEW YEAR!
[02:45] <shawn146> hi everyone
[02:45] <shawn146> can someoen help out a noob
[02:45] <shawn146> since everybody in teh distro channel is asleep
[02:45] <shawn146> and i would like to get this distro working before tomorrow
[02:46] <holstein> whats up shawn146 ?
[02:47] <shawn146> i am still trying to install JLime on my Jornada 720
[02:47] <holstein> shawn146: OH
[02:47] <holstein> i remember you ;)
[02:47] <shawn146> lol
[02:47] <shawn146> i used to be in here awhile ago lol
[02:47] <holstein> i dont think you're going to get much help in a buntu channel
[02:47] <holstein> unfortunately
[02:47] <shawn146> for other stuff lol
[02:48] <shawn146> oh
[02:48] <holstein> i remember reading that page you had
[02:48] <shawn146> which one
[02:48] <holstein> and it seemed challenging
[02:48] <holstein> maybe it was one i just googled
[02:48] <shawn146> oh the kernal panic post
[02:48] <shawn146> or thread
[02:48] <holstein> the install page
[02:48] <shawn146> oh
[02:48] <shawn146> i stil get that error
[02:48] <holstein> shawn146: is there no other option?
[02:48] <shawn146> well let me get on teh pc that has the CF prot
[02:48] <holstein> shawn146: are you seeing desktop yet?
[02:48]  * shawn146 has his ubuntu live cd
[02:48] <shawn146> ;)
[02:49] <shawn146> no
[02:49] <shawn146> kernal panic
[02:49] <holstein> drag....
[02:49] <shawn146> every time
[02:49] <holstein> probably just need to try some different kernels i guess
[02:49] <shawn146> since i am not using ane xternal cf card reader, its reading differently
[02:49] <shawn146> i did install taht kernal
[02:49] <holstein> who knows what though
[02:49] <shawn146> new one, still kernal panic
[02:50] <holstein> is there a bios on that thing?
[02:50] <shawn146> i even deleted the older boot kernal and the modules folder
[02:50] <shawn146> yea
[02:50] <shawn146> but s not that that i need
[02:50] <holstein> can you go in the bios and disable things?
[02:50] <shawn146> let me see
[02:50] <holstein> i know theres not much on there
[02:51] <holstein> but maybe you could disable the pcmica
[02:51] <holstein> pcmcia*
[02:51] <holstein> and the modem
[02:51] <holstein> and whatever other ports you can find
[02:51] <holstein> see if a kernel boots
[02:51] <shawn146> oh ti doesn't ajve a cmos
[02:51] <shawn146> or bios
[02:51] <shawn146> it boots from rom
[02:51] <holstein> hmmm
[02:52] <shawn146> interesting lol
[02:53] <shawn146> lemme get down there
[02:53] <shawn146> if myd ads not already home
[02:53] <shawn146> ko i'l be on another nick in a bit
[02:53] <holstein> shawn146: maybe you should consider a netbook
[02:54] <holstein> they are quite reasonably priced ;)
[02:54] <shawn146> i know
[02:54] <shawn146> i am a computer enthusiast
[02:54] <shawn146> i like old stuff a little more than new stuff
[02:55] <shawn146> beign i never seen it before, ro used one lol
[02:55] <shawn146> *or
[02:55] <shawn146> brb
[03:05] <shawn156> back
[03:05] <shawn156> on the livecd pc
[03:05] <shawn156> harrison
[03:05] <shawn156> err holstein i mena
[03:05] <shawn156> sorry
[03:06] <shawn156> reisio here?
[03:07] <holstein> yup
[03:07] <shawn156> reisio?
[03:07] <holstein> i was just looking around to see if puppy would run on there
[03:07] <shawn156> huh
[03:07] <shawn156> ohh
[03:07] <shawn156> lol
[03:07] <shawn156> gentoo does
[03:07] <shawn156> ive seen a version
[03:07] <holstein> AH
[03:07] <holstein> cool
[03:07] <holstein> maybe you can see what kernel is being used
[03:07] <shawn156> lol
[03:08] <shawn156> ok now back to business lol
[03:08] <holstein> that was said to be the issue with puppy
[03:08] <shawn156> you want to try screen sharing?
[03:08] <shawn156> oh
[03:08] <shawn156> same with jlime lol
[03:10] <holstein> http://badaboum.bidibom.free.fr/linux-jornada-fs/
[03:10] <shawn156> you want to try vnc holstein
[03:11] <holstein> check out http://www.lowlevel.cz/log/pivot/entry.php?id=41
[03:11] <holstein> http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~simigern/jornada-7xx/linux-2.4.31-j720/
[03:11] <holstein> i think thats your kernel ^^
[03:11] <holstein> its a 2.4
[03:12] <shawn156> 2.6.25?
[03:12] <shawn156> oh
[03:12] <holstein> not sure if thats going to limit your choices of distros
[03:12] <shawn156> i am trying to use 2.6.25
[03:12] <holstein> shawn146: if you got it all just ready to go
[03:12] <holstein> and dump a kernel in
[03:12] <holstein> try that one
[03:12] <shawn156> hey can you do vnc on ubuntu?
[03:12] <holstein> i do locally
[03:12] <shawn156> oh :(
[03:12] <holstein> i usually use teamviewer
[03:12] <shawn156> how do you it over the internet
[03:13] <shawn156> can that work on ubuntu?
[03:13] <holstein> with family members or whatever
[03:13] <holstein> yup
[03:13] <shawn156> i use it on windows
[03:13] <shawn156> how?
[03:13] <holstein> theres a 'linux' verion
[03:13] <shawn156> is their a linux versio
[03:13] <shawn156> wow
[03:13] <holstein> uses wine though
[03:13] <shawn156> lol
[03:13] <holstein> but works great
[03:13] <shawn156> i'l get it
[03:13] <holstein> not sure how much of wine it uses
[03:13] <holstein> i like that its win lin and osx
[03:14] <shawn156> should i use the beta release or the dummy version
[03:14] <shawn156> what wine?
[03:14] <holstein> i didnt do anything special
[03:14] <holstein> whatever buntu had worked
[03:14] <shawn156> oh http://www.teamviewer.com/download/index.aspx?os=linux
[03:14] <shawn156> AWSOME ^_^
[03:15] <shawn156> guess i don't neet wine lol
[03:15] <holstein> it'll use it
[03:15] <holstein> you'll see if you use it
[03:15] <holstein> i cant do it now though
[03:15] <shawn156> why
[03:15] <shawn156> :(
[03:15] <holstein> i gotta hang with my special lady :)
[03:15] <shawn156> i was hoping for now
[03:15] <shawn156> oh
[03:15] <holstein> going to take in a movie
[03:15] <shawn156> i was hoping to get this done before school tomorrow
[03:16] <shawn156> oh :(
[03:16] <holstein> shawn146: try that kernel
[03:16] <shawn156> to show my friends
[03:16] <shawn156> i am a noob
[03:16] <holstein> that 2.4 one
[03:16] <shawn156> is their anyone else here that understands my problem?
[03:16] <holstein> however you did the other one
[03:16] <shawn156> i switched to 2.6.25
[03:16] <shawn156> kernal
[03:16] <holstein> yeah, just do the same thing you did there
[03:16] <shawn156> -_-
[03:16] <holstein> but with those files
[03:16] <shawn156> its soemthing with progs.txt
[03:16] <holstein> im not really going to be very helpful
[03:16] <shawn156> probably
[03:16] <shawn156> oh
[03:17] <holstein> i just use kernels from the repos
[03:17] <holstein> maybe add a PPA here and there
[03:17] <holstein> you should be able to look at the CF card
[03:17] <shawn156> ppa?
[03:17] <holstein> mount it in another machine
[03:17] <holstein> and drop that kernel in
[03:17] <shawn156> i can't
[03:17] <holstein> hmmm
[03:17] <shawn156> i don't have a cf reader on my laptop
[03:17] <holstein> that would be handy...
[03:18] <holstein> you got one on a printer or something?
[03:18] <shawn156> nope printer doesn't support cf
[03:18] <holstein> that would be ideal
[03:18] <holstein> not sure how else your going to get at it
[03:18] <shawn156> actually
[03:18] <holstein> hmmm
[03:18] <shawn156> it does
[03:18] <shawn156> wow
[03:18] <shawn156> thats surprising
[03:19] <holstein> all the how-to's i see that i feel like i could wrap my mind around need you to mount that CF card somehow
[03:19] <shawn156> hmm
[03:19] <shawn156> i will see if i can use that printer lol
[03:19] <shawn156> its card reader lol
[03:19] <holstein> i like this one
[03:19] <holstein> http://badaboum.bidibom.free.fr/linux-jornada-fs/
[03:20] <holstein> you should be able to follow that guide pretty much right down the list
[03:20] <shawn156> ouch
[03:20] <holstein> if you can mount the card in your printer
[03:20] <shawn156> its not really specific on troubleshooting
[03:21] <holstein> shawn146: that guide?
[03:21] <holstein> i bet it'll just work :)
[03:21] <shawn156> hmm
[03:21] <shawn156> ifk
[03:21] <shawn156> >.>
[03:21] <holstein> hopefully you dont need to troubleshoot anthing
[03:21] <shawn156> oh well i will try the printer lol
[03:22] <holstein> yup ... thats the way to do it
[03:22] <holstein> prepare the disk there, and boot it up
[03:24] <shawn156> k
[03:24] <shawn156> after i isntall linux on my laptop :P
[03:24] <shawn156> *install
[03:34] <pigy> man installing on this older imac buble is tuff
[03:43] <shawn146> ok back upstairs
[03:43] <shawn146> and my dad actually gave my the printer lol
[03:43] <shawn146> he was about to throw it away
[03:52] <shawn146> holstein you afk?
[03:53] <holstein> not really
[03:53] <holstein> i can see the screen
[03:53] <holstein> whats up?
[03:55] <shawn146> oh lol
[03:55] <shawn146> thought you left
[03:55] <shawn146> just preparing to restart the laptop
[03:55] <shawn146> and possibly install ubuntu lol
[03:56] <shawn146> hmm i ahve 76 BG's free
[03:56] <shawn146> should be enough lol
[03:56] <shawn146> well 30 BG's for linux
[03:56] <shawn146> if not 40-50
[03:56] <shawn146> should i do 40 GB's?
[03:58] <shawn146> holstein:
[03:59] <holstein> up to you
[03:59] <shawn146> oh lol
[03:59] <shawn146> :P
[03:59] <holstein> you can always read the win hard drive in linux
[03:59] <holstein> not so easy the other way around
[04:05] <shawn146> lol
[04:05] <shawn146> ima make apartition
[04:05] <shawn146> will that hurt windows?
[04:05] <shawn146> if partitioning with ubuntu?
[04:05] <shawn146> or shoudl i make the partition with windows?
[04:06] <holstein> windows doesnt like for you to plan on getting rid or it
[04:06] <holstein> of*
[04:06] <shawn146> huh
[04:06] <holstein> if i were you
[04:06] <shawn146> it gives you the option of partitioning while windows is running
[04:07] <holstein> i would back everthing up
[04:07] <holstein> important
[04:07] <holstein> just in case
[04:07] <shawn146> i already partitioned a partition for holding my back-ups
[04:07] <shawn146> already did :P
[04:07] <shawn146> =+)
[04:07] <holstein> the buntu installer will ask to install beside windows
[04:07] <shawn146> oh
[04:07] <holstein> i dont think you can resize partitions in windows
[04:08] <holstein> you can in gparted
[04:08] <holstein> and thats what the live CD will do
[04:08] <holstein> any installer disc will do that
[04:08] <shawn146> ima make the partition in windows as a prerequisite
[04:08] <holstein> shawn146: you'll need to shrink the current partition
[04:08] <shawn146> i ahve used GPARted before and it crapped up my windows xp
[04:08] <holstein> and you cant make an ext partition from xp
[04:08] <holstein> or windows
[04:09] <shawn146> and i wasn't able to use that xp install anymore
[04:09] <holstein> shawn146: just use the installer
[04:09] <holstein> i'll just do it automagically
[04:09] <shawn146> i am gonna do it with windows 7 :|
[04:09] <holstein> go for it
[04:09] <holstein> does it resize partitions?
[04:09] <shawn146> yes
[04:09] <holstein> i guess you can just leave blank unpartioned space
[04:10] <shawn146> it actually shrinks them too
[04:10] <shawn146> taht functionality came in play in vista
[04:10] <holstein> thats what you need
[04:10] <holstein> do what makes you feel comfortable
[04:11] <shawn146> lol
[04:13] <shawn146> crap
[04:13] <shawn146> i did 400.00
[04:13] <shawn146> although this partitions only 350 GB;s
[04:13] <shawn146> i wonder if it will error
[04:13] <shawn146> and let me do only 4000
[04:13] <shawn146> *40.00
[04:13] <holstein> dont know about that partioner
[04:14] <shawn146> way
[04:14] <holstein> theres a little slider in the buntu one
[04:14] <shawn146> it says 39.00 lol
[04:15] <shawn146> wut am i thinking lol
[04:16] <nit-wit> W7 if you don't pre format the ntfs partition will make the partition before or after it unallocated
[04:16] <shawn146> i will keep it as unallocated
[04:16] <shawn146> lol
[04:17] <nit-wit> shawn146, do you understand it could make a install Ubuntu unallocated=gone
[04:17] <shawn146> ?
[04:19] <nit-wit> shawn146, if your asking a question you might want to phrase it out
[04:20] <shawn146> what do you mean by that
[04:22] <nit-wit> shawn146, with a w7 install to a unallocated it makes two partions a boot 200Mib and the OS this for some reason screws up the partition before or after the 2 W7 partitions. If you make a ntfs preformatted with a bootflag with gparted is easiest W7 goes in the one partition and ;eaves everything intact
[04:22] <nit-wit> *leaves
[04:23] <nit-wit> holstein, not trying to interrupt just looking around and noticed the unallocated for the W7 partition
[04:24] <holstein> nah
[04:24] <holstein> go for it
[04:24] <holstein> ive always just let buntu do it
[04:24] <nit-wit> I thought it was a w7 after ubuntu my mistake
[04:25] <shawn146> oh lol
[04:25] <shawn146> ubuntu ahs its own partition selection screen lol
[04:25] <nit-wit> sorry cary on
[04:26] <shawn146> well i will boot into teh 10.10 Livecd i ahve :D
[04:26] <nit-wit> *carry
[04:26] <shawn146> *have
[04:26] <shawn146> and whya rethere restricted drivers?
[04:27] <shawn146> *whya re
[04:27] <shawn146> *why are]
[04:30] <shawn146> oh well
[04:57] <shawn146> back
[04:58] <holstein> shawn146: how did it go?
[04:58] <shawn146> i pulled up the install after selecting try live cd
[04:58] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedDrivers
[04:58] <shawn146> i found the extra unallocated partition, and parked all of the others to not be used
[04:58] <shawn146> *marked
[04:58] <holstein> a bit about them
[04:59] <shawn146> the partition is /dev/sda6
[04:59] <shawn146> \as ext4
[04:59] <shawn146> it is selected for format
[04:59] <shawn146> but when i hit install
[04:59] <shawn146> it says no root file  system is defined
[05:00] <shawn146> Please correct this from the partitioning menu.
[05:00] <holstein> right
[05:00] <holstein> again, another reason why i just let the istaller do it
[05:01] <holstein> you're in custom partitioning
[05:01] <holstein> you could probably say 'let ubuntu automatically partion using the extra empty space'
[05:02] <shawn146> how
[05:02] <holstein> im not sure what your looking at
[05:02] <holstein> BUT it should be earlier than where you are
[05:02] <holstein> if you can go 'back'
[05:02] <holstein> maybe the first partitioner screen
[05:02] <holstein> you'll want ubuntu to have a few partitions
[05:03] <holstein> a swap partition
[05:03] <holstein> you can do that in the custom gparted tool there
[05:03] <holstein> if you want
[05:05] <sidracer> anyone know if unetbootin has a channel?
[05:05] <shawn146> how do i partition this freespace to the appropriate size?
[05:06] <sidracer> use gparted
[05:07] <shawn146> and how would i tell gparted to partition?
[05:08] <sidracer> what are you running now?
[05:09] <shawn146> ubuntu livecd
[05:09] <sidracer> i am running kubuntu actually on this partition so i have to remember.. ;)    it should be in the menu
[05:09] <sidracer> system or administration?
[05:10] <holstein> the installer will offer to do it automatically
[05:10] <sidracer> called gparted partition editior or smth
[05:10] <holstein> using gparted
[05:10] <sidracer> you want to resize your partitions beforehand?
[05:11] <shawn146> well it wont do it itself
[05:11] <shawn146> and id own't want it using any other partition
[05:11] <shawn146> it wills crew up things
[05:11] <holstein> shawn146: im not sure you're in the proper place
[05:11] <holstein> its always offered to partition for me in the past
[05:11] <holstein> either resizing
[05:11] <holstein> or not
[05:12] <sidracer> do you have other partitions on there?
[05:12] <holstein> shawn146: if you want to do it that way
[05:12] <holstein> you'll need to RTFM a bit
[05:12] <shawn146> yes i do
[05:12] <holstein> and figure out how to make a swap part
[05:12] <sidracer> you need to know which one it is...like sdaX where x is a number
[05:12] <holstein> and set that part and a / part
[05:12] <shawn146> hmm
[05:12] <shawn146> can we do vnc
[05:14] <sidracer> go to a terminal and type sudo fdisk -l
[05:15] <sidracer> how many partitions do you have?
[05:15] <sidracer> and how many drives?
[05:15] <shawn146> 6
[05:15] <shawn146> 1 harddrive
[05:15] <sidracer> are they 'sda....' with numbers after the sda?
[05:16] <sidracer> do you run windows or is just linux?  what are the file format?
[05:16] <shawn146> well ehre screencap
[05:17] <sidracer> screencap?   are you putting a screen shot in pastebin?   i don't know about that stuff... i don't use irc much
[05:17] <shawn146> http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/6572/partitions.png
[05:17] <shawn146> i run windows
[05:18] <shawn146> but i am installing linux
[05:18] <shawn146> side
[05:19] <sidracer> did you use all four of your primary partitions?
[05:20] <shawn146> huh?
[05:20] <sidracer> looks like you might have but i might be confused ;) ... if you try to create a partition in the 'unallocated' space, what happens?
[05:21] <nit-wit> sidracer, sda5 is a windows extended
[05:21] <shawn146> whats with /dev/sda4 extended?
[05:21] <shawn146> as 97.66BG's
[05:21] <shawn146> *BG's
[05:21] <holstein> i think you should spread that back out
[05:21] <shawn146> GB's
[05:21] <holstein> and do a wubi install
[05:22] <shawn146> ???
[05:22] <sidracer> looks messy to me... but, when i mess mine up, i do it over... ;)
[05:22] <sidracer> nit-wit: yeah, i guess so.......
[05:23] <shawn146> we  the DellUtility and RECOVER and OS are the ones id efinately need
[05:23] <holstein> assuming they still work after grub
[05:23] <shawn146> and i made another partitiona s a backup
[05:23] <holstein> i dont know how that works
[05:23] <nit-wit> sidracer, actually sda4
[05:23] <holstein> ive always just wiped 'em out
[05:23] <shawn146> that 97.66 GB's is my own made back up partition
[05:24] <shawn146> i jsut want to use the 41 GB's
[05:24] <sidracer> yeah, sda 4 extended but why is there some unallocated above?
[05:25] <shawn146> umm no i don't want to touch the extended, that is my backups
[05:25] <sidracer> anyway, you should be able to format that one ext3 or ext4 with the unallocated space if you used logical partitions
[05:25] <shawn146> and idk why ther is 1 MB unallocated
[05:26] <shawn146> its all one harddrive
[05:26] <holstein> http://techie-buzz.com/foss/install-ubuntu-10-10-inside-windows.html
[05:26] <sidracer> because you didn't use up the entire drive, that's why
[05:26] <sidracer> been there, done that... i say, always set up your partitions before installing
[05:27] <sidracer> if you have windows already... then make sure you have the space you want... that's my rule of thumb
[05:27] <shawn146> i do
[05:27] <sidracer> laptops have these recovery partitions..  i don't know anything about them but they probably use up a primary partition
[05:28] <shawn146> that unallocated | unallocated | 41.02 GB's | --- | --- is the one i want
[05:28] <sidracer> well, when you right click for options can you format that unallocated space?
[05:29] <shawn146> yes i can make a NEW partition
[05:29] <sidracer> can you choose ext3 or ext4?
[05:30] <shawn146> should i do 4?
[05:30] <sidracer> yeah, 4... then when it's done, make a note of which 'sda NUMBER' it gets
[05:30] <shawn146> k
[05:31] <shawn146> wut woa
[05:31] <sidracer> sda6 maybe
[05:31] <shawn146> It is not possible to create moer than 4 primary partitions
[05:31] <sidracer> then when you run the ubuntu installer, make sure you choose 'sda6' for where you install ubuntu
[05:31] <holstein> might want swap space too
[05:32] <holstein> dont have to though
[05:32] <shawn146> oiyh  i don't want to crap up anything
[05:32] <shawn146> ESPECIALLY my partition with everything i need
[05:32] <sidracer> it might be easier to resize it after it's formatted, though?   but, yeah, i see holstein's point
[05:33] <holstein> shawn146: and you want to be aware of what is going to happen to the MBR
[05:33] <shawn146> wut
[05:33] <holstein> and what GRUB is and does
[05:33] <sidracer> yeah, i think you should read up on it first, shawn... might be a good idea
[05:33] <holstein> OR just do a wubi
[05:34] <holstein> wubi is installed inside your windows part
[05:34] <sidracer> i think you could format it and then resize... shrink it... it would leave unallocated space and then you could format the smaller space left as swap
[05:34] <sidracer> holstein: does that sound right?
[05:34] <holstein> you just uninstall it like a program
[05:34] <holstein> it = ubuntu
[05:34] <sidracer> but, i would read a bit about partitioning and gparted first... and grub 2 as well
[05:34] <holstein> sidracer: yeah, that'll work
[05:35] <holstein> i like it :)
[05:35] <holstein> yeah, its the MBR and GRUB that i would be most concerned with
[05:35] <holstein> with those restore partitions
[05:35] <sidracer> i think that's what i would do just because it makes sense to me and i can picture it ...;-)
[05:35] <shawn146> wel the unallocated is ONLY where i want linux
[05:35] <holstein> since we're not given discs anymore to run fixmbr from :/
[05:36] <holstein> shawn146: right
[05:36] <holstein> but GRUB is what you will get outside of that part
[05:36] <shawn146> oh
[05:37] <holstein> just so you know fully what you're getting into
[05:37] <holstein> used to be
[05:37] <holstein> folk would put the linux boot loader on a floppy
[05:37] <holstein> you put the floppy in
[05:37] <sidracer> yeah, and if you can save up some money, get a large disk drive and store your backups and data on it! :)
[05:37] <holstein> boot from that
[05:37] <holstein> and you're in linux
[05:37] <holstein> if its out
[05:38] <holstein> you get the windows booter
[05:38] <holstein> whatever thats called
[05:39] <holstein> you can have grub installed on that partition
[05:39] <sidracer> i wanted to boot up via usb stick but i can't...
[05:39] <holstein> but windows wont let you boot it then
[05:39] <sidracer> but grub will detect windows, right?
[05:39] <holstein> yup
[05:40] <sidracer> i don't think grub should be his problem as long as he installs it in the mbr
[05:40] <holstein> i havnet had any problems with it *not* detecting it
[05:40] <holstein> the few times ive done that
[05:40] <holstein> sidracer: yeah, i'll work
[05:40] <holstein> but reverting
[05:40] <sidracer> if he picks the root directory... then he'll get in a jam
[05:40] <holstein> getting back to this start
[05:40] <holstein> state*
[05:40] <holstein> without a windows recovery disc
[05:40] <holstein> thats what im not sure about
[05:41] <sidracer> no copy of windows?
[05:41] <holstein> maybe... shawn146 ?
[05:41] <holstein> i just saw that restore partition
[05:41] <holstein> and thats usually all you get these days
[05:41] <pyrx> Say hi:msg # hi! | msg # how is everyone?
[05:42] <sidracer> yeah, i don't know what's that about... it's in so many laptops now
[05:42] <holstein> i dont mind it
[05:42] <holstein> i think its handy
[05:42] <holstein> BUT when the drive fails, its gone
[05:42] <shawn146> hi
[05:42] <sidracer> what's it for?  i assume it just rebuilds the windows bootloader?
[05:42] <holstein> i used one once
[05:43] <holstein> on a compaq
[05:43] <shawn146> wow
[05:43] <holstein> just restored the disc to 'out of the box' state
[05:43] <sidracer> oh
[05:43] <sidracer> so wipes out anything on there?
[05:43] <holstein> this one did
[05:44] <holstein> but i might have told it to
[05:44] <sidracer> i guess that's more reason to save your data on another separate drive
[05:44] <holstein> i dont remember if there was a 'resotoritive' option
[05:44] <holstein> restorative*
[05:44] <holstein> sidracer: well, in theory
[05:44] <holstein> this would wipe that partition ;)
[05:44] <shawn146> if my dad is willing to spend hefty bucks
[05:44] <sidracer> i'm going to dual booting, actually, but i won't save anything on my partitions... just basic install plus installed apps but no data at all
[05:45] <sidracer> shawn, why is sda3 almost full?  is that your data on there?
[05:46] <shawn146> yess
[05:46] <shawn146> its the os drive, plus all of the stuff that i am using
[05:46] <sidracer> i think you're living dangerously ;)
[05:46] <holstein> hehe
[05:46] <holstein> not too bad i suppose
[05:47] <sidracer> i don't understand why some ppl leave data on their drives when they do stuff with gparted and grub
[05:47] <holstein> i like backups to be on a seperate drive
[05:47] <sidracer> for sure
[05:47] <shawn146> oh
[05:47] <shawn146> i need to buy a drive for that
[05:47] <sidracer> but, with that much space, you could have several partitions of stuff ... or experiment...
[05:48] <holstein> if something happens to that partition table
[05:48] <sidracer> shawn146: you should.... just to be safe
[05:48] <shawn146> but i have ot get a job
[05:48] <shawn146> and wait a couple months
[05:48] <shawn146> untill i can make money
[05:48] <holstein> you'd be using something like photorec to bit copy all that backup data
[05:48] <holstein> crossing your fingers the whole time ;)
[05:48] <sidracer> i am re-doing my system and that is what i will do
[05:48] <shawn146> lol
[05:48] <sidracer> i have a 1tb with about 700gb left
[05:49] <sidracer> and i am switching my 500gb drive to ntfs so any windows stuff will go on that
[05:49] <sidracer> and i have left a 320gb drive for os
[05:49] <shawn146> ah
[05:49] <sidracer> reason i'm not using the 500gb is because it's older... i looked it up on disk charts and it's also slow ;)
[05:50] <sidracer> even though it's a 7200rpm
[05:50] <sidracer> so, if i need to run gparted on the 320gb... i can do it without worrying too much ;)
[05:51] <sidracer> i had data scattered everywhere... some was backed up but some wasn't
[05:51] <shawn146> oh
[05:51] <sidracer> i just finished tonight... i have about 2gb to move to a drive and i am ready to clean :)
[05:52] <sidracer> but, i wanted to run a live cd called system rescue cd via usb stick but i can't get unetbootin to work! :-/ grrrrrrrr
[05:52] <shawn146> oh
[05:53] <sidracer> so, now i have to use up a cd to burn about 300mb ...annoying
[05:53] <holstein> hmmm
[05:53] <shawn146> oh
[05:54] <holstein> i havnet tried system rescue from ubuntubootin
[05:54] <sidracer> shawn, you might want to use a cloning software sometime too... to clone your system as is
[05:54] <shawn146> oh
[05:54] <sidracer> like partition ghost or clonezilla....
[05:54] <sidracer> holstein: yeah?
[05:55] <sidracer> well, it doesn't work for me... i think it's an awful program
[05:55] <holstein> i found https://www.sysresccd.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3144
[05:55] <shawn146> oh
[05:55] <sidracer> i thought booting from usb would have caught on by now
[05:55] <holstein> its got a bad certificate
[05:55] <holstein> but i went there anyways
[05:56] <sidracer> it's a good cd
[05:56] <holstein> i unetboot lots of other stuff though
[05:56] <sidracer> very helpful and many options
[05:56] <pyrx> Do you need some help sidracer?
[05:56] <holstein> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ is the one i tend to use most
[05:56] <sidracer> pyrx:  i don't think anyone can help me
[05:56] <pyrx> Do you need some help sidracer?
[05:56] <shawn146> i have ultimatebootcd lol
[05:56] <shawn146> had it for years now lol
[05:57] <sidracer> i resigned that it won't work
[05:57] <sidracer> i had that one too
[05:57] <holstein> alright.. im out
[05:57] <holstein> GN all
[05:57] <sidracer> i just wanted to create the most latest versions
[05:57] <sidracer> gn holstein...thanks for your help
[05:57] <pyrx> Do you need some help sidracer?
[05:58] <shawn146> aww
[05:58] <shawn146> your leaving
[05:58] <shawn146> ?
[05:58] <shawn146> holstein:
[05:59] <pyrx> oh sorry about that
[06:00] <sidracer> pyrx:  you sure asked a lot... lol
[06:00] <sidracer> do you have experience with unetbootin?
[06:00] <shawn146> i do
[06:00] <shawn146> :
[06:00] <shawn146> |
[06:01] <pyrx> i was trying mirc scripts, turns out that only works when somebody else says the text
[06:01] <shawn146> oh
[06:02] <sidracer> i couldn't create a live usb of sytem rescue cd
[06:02] <sidracer> it gives me all these options on a black screen... in text... what the?
[06:03] <sidracer> why is it giving me an option to run DBAN?!? lol
[06:03] <shawn146> lol
[06:03] <shawn146> i love hdat2 in emergencybootcd
[06:04] <shawn146> it fixes all fo my bad sectors
[06:09] <shawn146> wb
[07:14] <jermza> Hi there. Quick question about Gimp...
[07:14] <Cheri703> !question
[07:14] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[07:14] <Cheri703> :)
[07:14] <Cheri703> I know...some about gimp
[07:15] <karthick87> jermza: Ask your question..
[07:15] <jermza> When using the cursor keys, the distance the object is moved is very small. Where is the setting to greaten that distance?
[07:15] <Cheri703> if you press shift and your arrow it should jump (I believe)
[07:16] <jermza> Is there a setting where you can adjust that default distance?
[07:23] <Cheri703> from what I can find, it looks like the only adjustable distance is the "snap" distance when using snap to guides or snap to grid
[07:23] <Cheri703> shift + arrow works decently well
[07:24] <Cheri703> in my experience
[07:24] <jermza> Thanks Cheri.  The jump is quite a big one, though!
[07:24] <Cheri703> well, it just depends on what you need
[07:24] <Cheri703> let me check something
[07:24] <jermza> And the default nudge is quite small.  So I'm just wanting to increase the nudge distance (and decrease the jump distance).
[07:25] <jermza> BTW, I know this is for Ubuntu, but I'm new to Ubuntu and have been a Photoshop junkie for years, but am enjoying Gimp (but still learning the sharp learning curve).
[07:27] <Cheri703> yeah, unless it's SPECIFICALLY photo editing, I tend to use inkscape
[07:28] <Cheri703> but then I used corel draw as a kid, not photoshop
[07:28] <Cheri703> so I'm more familiar with that style
[07:29] <Cheri703> does pressing and holding the arrow not move it fast enough? depends on your key repeat, I guess, but mine moves pretty quick
[07:30] <Cheri703> if you hold ctrl while dragging, it will "snap to" lines, so if you're going for horizontal, vertical, or diagonal, it will stay within those bounds
[09:19] <jermza> Again, not sure about non-Ubuntu-related questions, but, as a newbie, Evolution is part of Ubuntu to me. :-)  What I want to know is: is there a way to merge inboxes if I'm using IMAP?
[09:20] <jermza> If I use Evolution IMAP, to connect to Gmail, it loads two inboxes.  One of them is "On This Computer" and the other "Gmail".
[09:21] <jermza> Is there a way to get messages to load into the inbox "On This Computer"?
[09:26] <UndiFineD> jermza: we are open to all questions, but i do not use evolution
[09:26] <UndiFineD> I think "On This Computer" is a local folder
[09:26] <jermza> Okay, thanks.  I'll wait for someone to help.
[09:27] <UndiFineD> you could also try on #ubuntu
[09:27] <jermza> In Apple Mail, IMAP brings the mail into the local inbox, so that there is one inbox rather than two.
[09:53] <jermza> In Ubuntu, when I double click on a picture, it opens in a little image in the Eye Of Gnome viewer.  Silly question, but, is there a setting to automatically re-adjust the size of the window, so that when I scroll through images, the window adjusts accordingly?
[09:53] <jermza> Currently, the window stays the size of the 1st image
[09:54] <jermza> I can't seem to find a setting to change that.
[12:07] <yax51> ok I'm trying to install 9.10 on my desktop via LiveCD
[12:07] <yax51> was able to boot into he menu to install, but when I run the full install option,
[12:07] <yax51> I only get the ubuntu symbol, then a blank screen
[12:08] <yax51> any ideas?
[12:20] <jermza> How do I activate the Windows key on my keyboard?  And, by extention, how do I give it a command?
[12:21] <hobgoblin> jermza: in gnome - sys -prefs - keyboard shortcuts
[12:22] <hobgoblin> and I've no idea what you mean by activate it
[12:23] <jermza> Where exactly in Keyboard Shortcuts?
[12:26] <hobgoblin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MappingWindowsKey
[13:05] <yax51> Ok I think I found out why it won't install, however I don't know how to fix it
[13:06] <yax51> cp: cannot stat '/custom-installation/initrd-override/*' No such file or directory
[13:06] <yax51> anyone know how to fix that?
[13:09] <CensoredBiscuit> yax51
[13:10] <yax51> yo
[13:10] <CensoredBiscuit> were you tr
[13:10] <CensoredBiscuit> trying WUBI?
[13:10] <yax51> yes
[13:11] <CensoredBiscuit> A lot of people dont use wubi for that reason
[13:11] <yax51> aaaah
[13:11] <CensoredBiscuit> I would suggest a full install
[13:11] <CensoredBiscuit> either dual-boat or w.e
[13:11] <yax51> thats what I'm trying to do
[13:12] <CensoredBiscuit> Wubi isn't a good way to do that
[13:12] <yax51> a full install after a hard drive wipe (although XP is being gay and wont let me format)
[13:12] <CensoredBiscuit> I would just boot to live cd
[13:12] <CensoredBiscuit> do you know how to do that?
[13:13] <yax51> yeah, I was able to get into the install menu
[13:13] <CensoredBiscuit> then what was the issue with live cd
[13:13] <yax51> but when I do the full install, it just gives me the ubuntu symbol for a little bit then a blank screen
[13:14] <yax51> and when I hit escape I get that error
[13:14] <CensoredBiscuit> hmm whats your system?
[13:14] <yax51> a POS compaq
[13:15] <yax51> its my moms old computer, that is pretty much dead
[13:16] <CensoredBiscuit> I would need module numvers
[13:17] <yax51> I have no idea, I think it might be compaq FS740
[13:19] <CensoredBiscuit> in all honesty yax51 it just seems ubuntu just doesnt like that system
[13:19] <yax51> I figured as much......
[13:19] <CensoredBiscuit> maybe it would be best to stick with XP sorry
[13:20] <CensoredBiscuit> I mean I googled the  module number
[13:20] <yax51> I was wondering if an older distro wold work better, seeing as its an old machine
[13:20] <CensoredBiscuit> maybe xubuntu
[13:20] <CensoredBiscuit> or lubuntu
[13:21] <yax51> thats what I'm thinking, is got a 1.20 ghz processor and only 224 megs of ram
[13:24] <yax51> know where I can sill get xubuntu or lubuntu?
[13:24] <JoeMaverickSett> yax51: why not try lubuntu then? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu :)
[13:25] <yax51> can't seem to find it on the ubuntu page
[13:26] <yax51> nice! thanks!
[13:26] <yax51> this seems like it would run on my POS :)
[13:28] <yax51> now when making a live CD what would be the best way to go?
[13:29] <yax51> I was using brasero to burn it into an install disk....
[13:29] <JoeMaverickSett> yax51: burn it with the lowest possible speed.
[13:30] <yax51> ok....just out of curiosity how does that make a difference?
[13:31] <JoeMaverickSett> yax51: "A slower writing speed is less likely to result in a badly burned CD. Badly burned Ubuntu CDs can freeze up in the middle of booting up or installing." :)
[13:31] <yax51> aaaa that makes sense
[13:31] <JoeMaverickSett> quoted from this website; http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/iso :)
[13:32] <yax51> nice!
[13:32] <JoeMaverickSett> yax51: you would want to bookmark that site also, very handy indeed. :)
[13:32] <yax51> I wonder if that was the case with my other one.....
[13:32] <JoeMaverickSett> yax51: might have been. did you also check the md5sum?
[13:33] <yax51> the who?
[13:33] <JoeMaverickSett> yax51: did you check the md5sum of the downloaded iso?
[13:33] <JoeMaverickSett> yax51: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[13:34] <yax51> no.....you guys are smart!!
[13:39] <yax51> cool its good!!
[13:40] <JoeMaverickSett> good luck then. :)
[13:48] <yax51> here goes nothing........
[13:49] <JoeMaverickSett> there goes something. :D
[13:53] <yax51> yeah, it still doesn't like my 9.10 install......I'm downloading lubuntu right now, and that might go better...
[13:54] <yax51> but it's taking awhile as I've only got 150KB/sec speed :(
[14:07] <yax51> ok random question, does anyone know if there is a linux mobile? other then andriod?
[14:09] <head_victim> meego is still in development
[14:12] <yax51> hmmm....meego 1.1 is available...
[14:15] <yax51> I'll have to keep an eye on that! it seems pretty cool
[14:22] <head_victim> yax51: I'm still hoping to see it on a device I can use :/.
[14:22] <head_victim> I don't like the concept of android because from what I can read it doesn't like you storing personal info anywhere but on google's servers, which I won't do.
[14:26] <yax51> head_victim: I totally agree!! I have the HTC touch pro 2, but it's still too early to tell if it's supported
[14:28] <jermza> When I open a folder, there is that Ubuntu One ticker that sits at the top, prompting synchronising etc.
[14:28] <jermza> How do I hide it?
[14:29] <jermza> (Hide but keep active)
[14:37] <geirha> It does? Any folder or just the Ubuntu One folder and folders under it?
[14:46] <yax51> hmmm ok i've download lubuntu 10.10, and burned the iso, but it won't boot up....
[14:46] <yax51> am I doing something wrong?
[14:47] <head_victim> What sort of error message is it giving oyu
[14:47] <head_victim> you*
[14:47] <yax51> its not, it just wont boot from the cd
[14:48] <yax51> I don't want to use wubi....is there another way/
[14:48] <head_victim> Ah you probably need to change the bios settings to boot off the cd first
[14:49] <yax51> I did....it works with the failed 9.10 cd....
[14:50] <head_victim> So it doesn't boot at all, sits at a cursor, sits on a blank screen or boots into the normal hdd?
[14:50] <yax51> boots into normal hd
[14:50] <jermza> Anyone know how I can hide the Ubuntu One "synchronise" ticker at the top of my folder windows?
[14:51] <head_victim> jermza: sorry I haven't ever used Ubuntu One
[14:51] <head_victim> yax51: sounds to me like a bios not booting into CD or the CD not working (corrupted, not burned properly, damaged, etc)
[14:52] <yax51> hmmm
[14:54] <hobgoblin> jermza: try right clicking in a folder with the ticker in and then go to the ubuntuone options - hide ribbon - think that should work
[14:55] <yax51> either that or this computer is an old POS that doesn't want to do anything......
[14:56] <jermza> Yes that worked. Thanks.
[14:57] <hobgoblin> jermza: cool
[15:20] <yax51> ok is there any other way to make it boot from the cd?
[15:21] <yax51> ive changed te bios to read from the cd
[15:21] <yax51> I've even gone to a one time boot setup, but still nothing
[15:33] <hobgoblin> wb
[15:38] <yax51> GRRR ANGER!!!
[15:44] <yax51> I will not let this POS computer defeat me!!!!
[15:48] <jermza> In the top panel, under my name, there is a drop-down menu that relates to my chat options.  At the top of that drop-down, there is a little field called "post something" (which allows me to post to Twitter, it seems)
[15:49] <jermza> Must I delete the "post something" bit?  If I leave it, then will it be included in my posted message?  (I'm too scared to try...)
[15:57] <yax51> any reasons as to why a computer won't boot from a cd? but will discover it?
[15:58] <doez> yax51, corrupt or bad data?
[15:59] <Yorvyk> yax51, at what speed are you burning
[15:59] <yax51> slowest possible
[16:00] <yax51> I am trying to install lubuntu 10.10, and the md5sum is good
[16:01] <yax51> I was able to get it to boot a couple of time before, with 9.10, but it didn't want to install....but now it won't even boot that cd anymore
[16:01] <doez> yax51, you could try booting from a USB.
[16:06] <yax51> yeah, this computer is so old it doesn't have that option
[16:06] <yax51> i tried though
[16:06] <jermza> Anyone know anything about the social media post option in the top panel?
[16:07] <JoeMaverickSett> jermza: i think you should delete it, coz i tried it just now, and it went with a "<message>Post to: twitter..." :)
[16:08] <JoeMaverickSett> the last few times i used it, i always delete that "Post to: twitter.."
[16:08] <aveilleux> yax51: have you tried the Netboot intall CD?
[16:08] <aveilleux> yax51: If the CD drive's going bad, and you have a decent Internet connection, it might be the way to go.
[16:08] <yax51> hmmm no I havent
[16:09] <jermza> okay... something for the developers to fix, it seems
[16:09] <jermza> small attention to detail
[16:09] <yax51> that good work....
[16:09] <aveilleux> yax51: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[16:10] <aveilleux> yax51: I've never used it to install anything other than the command-line install, I'm not entirely sure you can install the "Desktop" (graphical system) right off the Netboot.
[16:10] <hobgoblin> you can
[16:10] <aveilleux> thanks, hobgoblin
[16:10] <aveilleux> hobgoblin: Is it one of the menu options? I've never looked at the menu.
[16:11] <hobgoblin> from memory you install it - apt-get blah
[16:11] <aveilleux> hobgoblin: Oh, no, that's not what I meant.
[16:11] <hobgoblin> just looking over some bookmarks - see if I've still got stuff
[16:11] <hobgoblin> no I know what you meant ...
[16:11] <aveilleux> hobgoblin: I meant going straight from netboot to desktop.
[16:12] <yax51> well we'll find out here in a minute! ;)
[16:12] <Yorvyk> \o
[16:12] <aveilleux> yax51: This might help you if you can't get a desktop right off the Netboot CD: http://minimal-desktop.blogspot.com/p/guide.html
[16:13] <hobgoblin> bookmarks all gone in the last great clear out - though there is a pyschocat page that's easy enough to follow
[16:13] <yax51> cool thanks
[16:13] <aveilleux> yax51: The guide there uses the Alternate install CD, so the installation will be slightly different, but it's all pretty straightforward.
[16:13] <yax51> also anyone know how to start a network boot?
[16:13] <aveilleux> yax51: You mean the Netboot CD, or something else>
[16:13] <aveilleux> ?*
[16:14] <hobgoblin> if there's a problem with the cd drive it might have as much trouble with that
[16:15] <aveilleux> hobgoblin: I've found that the amount of data on the Netboot CD is usually little enough. It barely reads 10M off the disc anyhow, and gets the rest from the Internet
[16:15] <Yorvyk> yax51, can you swap cd drives between two machines
[16:15] <hobgoblin> I know = the alternate is not 10Mb though
[16:15] <aveilleux> Who put that button there
[16:15] <hobgoblin> I know = the alternate is not 10Mb though - I said
[16:15] <hobgoblin> it was elfy aveilleux - I'll get him later
[16:15] <aveilleux> hobgoblin: That's why I suggested the Netboot.
[16:16] <hobgoblin> aveilleux: we are both suggesting the same thing ...
[16:18] <aveilleux> hobgoblin: are we?
[16:18] <hobgoblin> think so
[16:19] <hobgoblin> anyway - I'm not here really
[16:21] <yax51> what I mean is do I do a network boot on the machine I am trying to install onto?
[16:21] <aveilleux> yax51: No. You burn the Netboot installation CD (which I linked above -- Called the "Minimal CD") and run that. It contains network boot code that will automatically fetch what you need from the Internet.
[16:22] <yax51> aaaah nice
[16:22] <jermza> What is Emerald Theme Manager?  Did it come with Ubuntu?
[16:22] <aveilleux> jermza: Emerald merged with Compiz a while back. Compiz comes with Ubuntu by default, yes.
[16:23] <jermza> Okay, so I'll lave it there.
[16:23] <jermza> leave*
[16:23] <aveilleux> jermza: "Emerald" is the default windowing manager for Compiz (as opposed to Metacity for GNOME), but it makes no difference since Ubuntu uses Compiz with Metacity.
[16:24] <hobgoblin> emerald's not installed as default - might be part of compiz - but emerald itself isn't default
[16:32] <jermza> Does anyone know if Evolution's tasks and calendar sync to the mail?
[16:32] <jermza> eg, if I  flag a mail as imortant, then - like in Outlook = does it add it to the tasks?  Currently, it doesn't, and I'm wondering if there is a setting that I missed.
[16:33] <aveilleux> jermza: Is it IMAP or POP?
[16:33] <jermza> IMAP
[16:34] <aveilleux> Hm, what kind of server is it? Exchange>
[16:34] <aveilleux> ?*
[16:34] <jermza> Gmail
[16:34] <aveilleux> Very interesting. IMAP labels should stay regardless of what client... though I wouldn't put it past Outlook to not place the labels on the server end (just lay them on the client)
[16:34] <jermza> But I use my local calendar
[16:36] <aveilleux> jermza: Is your calendar set to sync to the Gmail one?
[16:36] <jermza> I'll check.... hang on
[16:38] <jermza> Where is that setting?
[16:38] <jermza> Where do I check that?
[16:39] <aveilleux> jermza: http://www.ehow.com/how_4488736_sync-evolution-calendar-google-calendar.html
[16:39] <aveilleux> jermza: I don't actually use Evolution so it's a little out of my experience
[16:40] <jermza> I'm actually wanting to sync to my local calendar
[16:40] <jermza> but any calendar will do, I suppose
[16:40] <aveilleux> jermza: What do you mean, "local calendar"?
[16:41] <jermza> hang on, I'm not looking to sync my calendars....  I'm wondering how to add a task by simply flagging a mail - in Outlook, if you flag a mail as Important, then it adds it to Outlook's tasks as something to follow-up.
[16:42] <jermza> I already have my Google calendar synced.
[16:42] <aveilleux> That sounds like an Evolution function -- I wouldn't know about that
[16:52] <MrAnthrope> You can sync your local calendar to gmail?
[16:54] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: What do you mean by "local calendar"?
[16:54] <MrAnthrope> ohnm. I thought you were talking about the one in the task bar.
[16:55] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: That doesn't store tasks in it, does it?
[16:55] <MrAnthrope> Just looking, no. :)
[18:05] <zkriesse> Ok, I have a question
[18:05] <aveilleux> zkriesse: I might have an answer :D
[18:05] <zkriesse> I need to make a .sh script (bash) which will run a .php file
[18:05]  * zkriesse knows nothing of bash to go easy
[18:06] <aveilleux> Well instead of making a bash script, you can make a PHP script (#!/usr/bin/php instead of #!/bin/bash as the first line)
[18:07] <zkriesse> Ok, lemme give a bit more detail
[18:08] <zkriesse> My dad has a php script/file that he has to run at a certain time each day...on windows he uses a .bat file to run it...and since he also uses task manager it is set to run at pc startup, checks if it is running or not and if it isn't it starts the .bat file which in turn starts the php file
[18:09] <zkriesse> BUT, since the server is using CentOS and he knows nothing of Linux he looked at me.....
[18:09] <aveilleux> zkriesse: Can you pastebin the batch file? I can translate it into bash.
[18:09] <zkriesse> SeriouslY?
[18:10] <aveilleux> Well yest
[18:10] <aveilleux> -t
[18:10] <zkriesse> I'd give you a hug
[18:10] <aveilleux> I like hugs :D
[18:10]  * zkriesse gives hugs to aveilleux 
[18:10] <aveilleux> :D
[18:11] <zkriesse> Ok hold on..tryin to get the .bat file from my dad
[18:12] <zkriesse> http://pastebin.com/yQrWbHNJ
[18:12] <zkriesse> It goes in a day
[18:13] <zkriesse> actually, this is the proper style he has http://pastebin.com/MvYYPZVM
[18:13] <zkriesse> First one is null
[18:13] <aveilleux> That uh
[18:14] <aveilleux> doesn't check to see if the file is being run already
[18:14] <aveilleux> It just kinda does run.
[18:15] <zkriesse> which one
[18:15] <aveilleux> Both.
[18:15] <zkriesse> The first link? First link is bad...use second one
[18:15] <zkriesse> Ah...well that's what he gave me
[18:15] <zkriesse> he uses windows task manager to check for it
[18:15] <aveilleux> Well I'll write what he wants, I guess
[18:15] <aveilleux> ps can do that just fine
[18:16] <zkriesse> ps?
[18:16] <aveilleux> Where is the PHP file located? /var/www-data/BETA/MSI-Flex/ ?
[18:16] <zkriesse> lemme ask
[18:16] <aveilleux> zkriesse: ps, you know, the CLI process manager
[18:16] <zkriesse> ah
[18:17]  * zkriesse facepalms
[18:18] <zkriesse> C:\WebServer\Apache2.2\htdocs\BETA\MSI-Flex\ap_jobs.php and the ar_jobs would be located the same..
[18:18] <zkriesse> Make sense?
[18:20] <aveilleux> Well
[18:20] <aveilleux> I kinda need to know where it's located in CentOS.
[18:20] <aveilleux> Since the Apache data folder is in different places on Windows and Linux.
[18:20] <zkriesse> ok give me a second
[18:22] <zkriesse> trying to remember where it would go
[18:26] <zkriesse> Ok, it'd be in the /var/www/ folder
[18:26] <zkriesse> He says he can modify it to fit what he wants but he needs the basic shell/skeleton
[18:26]  * zkriesse hates being in the middle
[18:27] <aveilleux> Okay
[18:27] <zkriesse> Am I making any sense or am I just blowing bubbles :D
[18:27] <aveilleux> It makes sense
[18:27] <aveilleux> Does he need it to loop forever like that?
[18:29] <zkriesse> I believe so
[18:29] <zkriesse> Just as confused as you aveilleux
[18:30] <zkriesse> :D
[18:32] <aveilleux> zkriesse: Can he run a quick test command for me, please?
[18:32] <zkriesse> On windows?
[18:32] <aveilleux> zkriesse: On CentOS
[18:32] <zkriesse> Ah I can run it on buntu
[18:32] <aveilleux> Well I need it to be run on the server
[18:32] <zkriesse> ok lemme ask
[18:32] <zkriesse> What's the command?
[18:32] <aveilleux> To make sure the output of ps is as expected
[18:33] <aveilleux> Well first tell him to run nano & #to get nano running in the background
[18:33] <aveilleux> Then have him run: ps -ef |grep nano |grep -v grep |cut -d ' ' -f 6
[18:33] <aveilleux> And tell me the output
[18:34] <zkriesse> we can't
[18:34] <zkriesse> It's a locked server apparently
[18:35] <aveilleux> Well uh
[18:35] <zkriesse> None of the customers will allow outside world access to it
[18:35] <aveilleux> then he can't run scripts at startup, can he
[18:35] <zkriesse> hell I have no idea
[18:35] <zkriesse> This is what he asked for, Im trying to give it to him
[18:35] <aveilleux> This is about what he wants http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/549935/
[18:35] <aveilleux> Do you want me to comment it?
[18:36] <zkriesse> sure
[18:38] <aveilleux> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/549939/
[18:39] <zkriesse> thanks very much
[18:40] <aveilleux> No problem
[18:40] <aveilleux> Let me know how it works out
[18:40] <zkriesse> will do
[18:42] <BR> how is everyone doing today?
[18:44] <aveilleux> Pretty okay, BR
[18:44] <BR> thats good
[18:44] <BR> anyone tried out plan 9 before
[18:45] <aveilleux> BP: this Plan 9? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs
[18:46] <BR> yeah
[18:46] <aveilleux> BP: I've played around with it, but not much more than a cursory look
[18:47] <BR> yeah thats what Im doing too waiting for it to finish installing
[18:47] <BR> have you tried out archlinux before
[18:48] <aveilleux> BR: I have
[18:48] <BR> how is it
[18:49] <aveilleux> BR: It's a much different experience from Ubuntu, certainly. Much of the system has to be built up from the ground.
[18:49] <BR> yeah I tried to install it once before and never got even far thinkin about tried to get it to install
[20:58] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[21:25] <vzwguyjay> hello all
[21:25] <vzwguyjay> i am having an issue with trying to install something and it states it cannot commit to /etc hg
[21:34] <red-raven> hey guys.
[21:34] <Silver_Fox_> Hello red-raven
[21:35] <Silver_Fox_> How are you?
[21:35] <red-raven> so, i have a new Linux project (possible)
[21:35] <red-raven> good, how about you Silver_Fox?
[21:35] <Silver_Fox_> I am fine thank you red-raven :)
[21:38] <red-raven> im rehabilitating an old Dell Dimension 3000. its got viruses galor. It has XP on it. what i want to do is format the HD, but keep XP, so its factory-new. haven't used it in a while, so not many files i  need from it. then i want to dual boot linux on it. any way to wipe it but keep XP?
[21:40] <Silver_Fox_> red-raven: can  you fix all the windows viruses ?
[21:41] <red-raven> it a virus called norton. ive tried to no avail. a girl at my school killed the same one on hers, but im not sure how. id rather just restore it.
[21:42] <Silver_Fox_> I am not amazingly brilliant with window but i thought norton was an anti-virus program ?
[21:45] <red-raven> norTON is, norTEL is desgined to fool you into mistaking its for norton. its a false security program that claims a lot of things are "security threats", when really they are just programs that have the capacity to kill it, like DOS and other REAL security programs
[21:52] <red-raven> Silver_Fox, anyways, it has all the major components intact even though it wasn't used for so long. decent HD (don't know size or partitions), RAM (not much, but enough) Wireless antena, monitor, and all the other good stuff work. its just slowed down after all these years and then the virus didn't help.
[22:01] <red-raven> Silver_Fox, do you know if this will run Linux?
[22:01] <red-raven> http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/dell-dimension-3000-pentium/4507-3118_7-31223771.html
[22:05] <Silver_Fox_> which distribution  do you wish to install ?
[22:11] <pleia2> red-raven: yeah, it might be a bit slow with 512M of RAM (we have a lab with similar dells, working to upgrade to 1G on them all)
[22:12] <red-raven> Probably the standared Ubuntu. But this is my second time doing it, so i might want to have a little fun doing it. any others you can recomend to experiment with that would work on it? this is going to be my "mess with it and if it breaks, oh well. format and reinstall".
[22:12] <red-raven> would it be possible to convince it to use a pin drive as RAM? or am i crazy>
[22:12] <red-raven> ?*
[22:12] <pleia2> pin drive?
[22:12] <Silver_Fox_> Hey pleia2 ,  its been a while.  things keeping well? :)
[22:13] <pleia2> Silver_Fox_: hey :) yep, all is well
[22:13] <red-raven> yes. like leave a USB pluged in all the time and have it use it like an extra stick of RAM.
[22:13] <pleia2> red-raven: a usb stick?
[22:13] <red-raven> is it possible to convince it to do that?
[22:13] <red-raven> yes.
[22:14] <pleia2> those have limited writes, not at all good to use as a ram (swap) partition
[22:14] <red-raven> ohhhhhhh ok. darn. well, worth a shot.
[22:14] <pleia2> it may work for a couple of weeks, but it'll be slow and you'll destroy the drive
[22:14] <red-raven> to much power?
[22:14] <Silver_Fox_> the speed would too slow for usb ram
[22:15] <red-raven> ok. so i might upgrade it later.
[22:16] <red-raven> anyways, back to the last question. any good distros that A: it can run and B: are good for a person who's just wants to experiment with linux/computers in general?
[22:16] <Silver_Fox_> slitaz
[22:16] <red-raven> Never heard of it.
[22:17] <Silver_Fox_> http://www.slitaz.org/en/
[22:17] <red-raven> ok so its designed to be Ubuntu light?
[22:23] <yax51> I AM VICTORIOUS!!!!!
[22:24] <red-raven> CONGRATS! at what exactly?
[22:24] <yax51> I was basically trying to do what red-raven is doing, except get rid of XP....
[22:25] <red-raven> lol awesome. i have parents that want XP on it, sooo..... but its no loss if i toast it. its old and we have laptops now, so i dont get why they care.
[22:26] <yax51> red-raven: I ended up scrapping the whole machine and just installed ubuntu on a fresh one........
[22:27] <yax51> red-raven: there wasn't much I could do with all the viruses....windows wouldn't even function enough to start to get rid of them
[22:27] <red-raven> fresh machine?
[22:27] <yax51> yup, had a few spares
[22:28] <red-raven> oh ok. well can't i just restore the whole brick to how it was when it came to me? and then XP would still be on it. or is the only option nuclear?
[22:28] <yax51> it was a compaq FS740, so I wasn't upset at all about losing one, if anything I can pick it for spare parts ;
[22:29] <WastedWillow> Nerver an problem with spare parts
[22:29] <yax51> I couldn't figure out a way, though with the ubuntu live CD you're supposed to be able to format or partition the hdd
[22:29] <yax51> but my hdd was so jacked up, that didn't work....
[22:29] <red-raven> nope.
[22:29] <yax51> it had a 1.2 ghz processor, and 224 megs or RAM
[22:30] <yax51> of*
[22:30] <yax51> it was basically dead, and only still lived out of spite
[22:30] <red-raven> so in order to get it back to the point where its got nothing but XP, i have to manually remove the viruses?
[22:30] <yax51> pretty mch
[22:30] <yax51> *much, good luck with that
[22:31] <yax51> you could try the live CD and see what happens.....
[22:31] <red-raven> fudge. maybe i can get to DOS before it does. seems like the only option. any way to cage or at least stall it while i put in the codes?
[22:32] <yax51> maybe run as administrator......but I don't know, thats how I was able to do ANYTHING
[22:32] <yax51> I had to log in as admin...
[22:33] <red-raven> there are no admin profiles on it. i didn't know about computers as much at the time.
[22:34] <yax51> when you go to the profile log in, hit ctrl-alt-del twice and a dialog box will come up, type in administrator as the name, and the default password is password....
[22:34] <red-raven> ok. idk the name though.
[22:35] <red-raven> it was me and my bro's.  but my parents set it up.....
[22:35] <yax51> the name should be administrator
[22:35] <red-raven> oh ok thx.
[22:35] <yax51> np
[22:35] <red-raven> ill boot it up real quick.
[22:35] <yax51> cool
[22:35] <red-raven> lol. quick. riiiiiight....
[22:35] <yax51> and by real quick you mean at least 5 min. ;)
[22:39] <WastedWillow> Haha
[22:39] <WastedWillow> What all is it you're trying to do
[22:39] <red-raven> hey its up.
[22:40] <red-raven> wipe an old dell dimension 3000, keep XP on it, and Dual boot Ubuntu or something.
[22:40] <WastedWillow> Gotcha
[22:40] <red-raven> but its got an infestation i need to kill first.
[22:40] <WastedWillow> Are you trying save stuff on it?
[22:40] <WastedWillow> Or just not wipe it
[22:41] <red-raven> i need a few things, but once i have them all the rest is toast.
[22:41] <red-raven> ok, its up, but i have to empty the dish washer. BRB.
[22:44] <WastedWillow> Can ubuntu read and write the windows filesys?
[22:44] <WastedWillow> Thus just pluck it off to a usb driver or something like that
[22:46] <red-raven> what do you mean?
[22:47] <WastedWillow> I was thinking boot into the live cd, then if ubuntu can see the windows driver
[22:47] <WastedWillow> drive* pardon me
[22:48] <WastedWillow> then just take it off, skip xp entirely
[22:51] <red-raven> yah but i need XP intact.
[22:51] <red-raven> do the cammnds and methods from this site seem legit: http://www.removevirus.org/virus-and-spyware-news/remove-nortel-antivirus-291
[22:52] <WastedWillow> What kind of virus
[22:54] <red-raven> nortel. fake security. popups, slowdowns, file curruptions, and it can take down anything that can kill it.
[22:54] <yax51> you don't have an XP disc?
[22:54] <red-raven> crap. my desktop keeps poping up, reloading, over and over again. i can't open CMD.
[22:54] <holstein> unless you're gaming, i think its nice to have windows in virtualbox
[22:54] <holstein> ontop of buntu
[22:54] <red-raven> maybe.
[22:55] <holstein> you have those 'snapshots' to revert to
[22:55] <holstein> i do that for family members sometimes
[22:55] <holstein> i call a snapshot 'pre-virus' ;)
[22:57] <WastedWillow> try running combofix in safe mode
[22:57] <holstein> theres an AVG live cd
[22:58] <red-raven> im booting into safe mode now.
[22:59] <holstein> with networking ;)
[23:03] <red-raven> ok, it up in safe mode as the admin. now to end you, freakish abomination which has caused me so much pain....
[23:05] <yax51> death to XP!!!!
[23:06] <red-raven> no no no just nortel.
[23:06] <red-raven> ok WTF. the processes aren't in the task manager in safe mode!
[23:06] <yax51> aaaah the OTHER freakish abomination that has caused so much pain.....
[23:07] <red-raven> yes. but where are the processes!?
[23:08] <yax51> I don't know...it is safe mod, so maybe you can't access them in safe mode
[23:11] <red-raven> but if they aren't running, then that means.....the virus must not be active right now. also meaning that i can kill it and it wont put up a fight.
[23:13] <yax51> in theory
[23:13] <red-raven> WTFFFFFFFFFFFF! the registrys aren't there eitheR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:13] <yax51> HAHAHA!!!!
[23:14] <yax51> sorry I haven't slept yet, and I found that really amusing
[23:15] <red-raven> lol. i hate it. when im in safe mode, it hides like a coward.
[23:16] <red-raven> none of the things i need to delete are here!!!!!!! WTFFFFFFF!
[23:18] <yax51> I'm going to try the AVG recovery disc, and see if that helps...
[23:19] <red-raven> i can't kill it in normal mode, can't find it in safe mode......wtf....
[23:21] <red-raven> anyone got any ideas?
[23:21] <yax51> red-raven: did you try a recovery disc?
[23:21] <WastedWillow> Well, try this
[23:21] <WastedWillow> open regedit
[23:21] <red-raven> i might do that. would have liked to get some stuff off first....
[23:22] <red-raven> ok done. now what?
[23:22] <WastedWillow> go to hkey(current user)>software>microsoft>windows>current>run
[23:22] <WastedWillow> and look in there for a random string of #s
[23:23] <red-raven> only two files. {default} and MSMSGS.
[23:24] <red-raven> i did that already though. the website i found guided me there.
[23:24] <WastedWillow> sorry
[23:24] <WastedWillow> just kinda thinking
[23:24] <WastedWillow> my other two thoughts
[23:25] <WastedWillow> download malware anti malware
[23:25] <WastedWillow> and combofix
[23:25] <red-raven> out of disk space...
[23:25] <WastedWillow> they're pretty small
[23:25] <WastedWillow> hrm
[23:25] <red-raven> oMB
[23:25] <WastedWillow> haha
[23:25] <WastedWillow> got another comp and a usb driver?
[23:25] <WastedWillow> dammit, drive*
[23:26] <red-raven> idk. might try it. dont want to infect another USB thought...
[23:26] <pleia2> WastedWillow, red-raven, can you take this windows cleanup discussion elsewhere? it's very off-topic here
[23:26] <WastedWillow> its in order for him to dual boot!
[23:26] <WastedWillow> but okies
[23:27] <pleia2> you're welcome to return when you get to that point :)
[23:27] <red-raven> any other modes i  could try booting into? i saw a bunch there.
[23:27] <WastedWillow> sounds good
[23:27] <red-raven> ok i will. any good IRCs i could try?
[23:28] <collinp> There's #windows
[23:28] <collinp> This is a Ubuntu support channel, though.
[23:29] <red-raven> is #windows any good, or will i get a bunch of M$-tards?
[23:29] <holstein> only one way to find out
[23:29] <collinp> I'm not entirely certain of what you mean by that. It's a Windows support channel.
[23:29] <pleia2> !M$
[23:29] <ubot2> Please don't use silly misspellings to denigrate other operating systems. It makes users of that system feel attacked, and hurts Ubuntu advocacy by making the community look unreasonable.
[23:30] <holstein> hey, you can always call M$ ;)
[23:30] <holstein> lol
[23:30] <holstein> sorry
[23:30] <holstein> microsoft*
[23:30] <red-raven> ok, im about to go where no sane person has gone before...into the underworld, that is the windows IRC..... see you on the other side....
[23:31] <holstein> red-raven: good luck :)
[23:31] <yax51> red-raven: beware the trolls!!
[23:31] <WastedWillow> well as far as ubuntu goes
[23:31] <WastedWillow> im learning
[23:31] <WastedWillow> I can install and do the essentials
[23:31] <WastedWillow> but I wanted to ask for a goal
[23:32] <WastedWillow> I know I should probably figure it out, but I work better with something to
[23:32] <WastedWillow> do
[23:32] <holstein> WastedWillow: i have been slowly adding tasks in the commandline
[23:33] <yax51> WastedWillow: what are you trying to do?
[23:34] <red-raven> the urge to troll this thing is so tempting....
[23:34] <collinp> Do not troll the Windows channels unless you wish to reflect badly upon Ubuntu.
[23:35] <collinp> Ubuntu is a jumping off point for previous Windows and Apple users. This isn't the place to go bashing either.
[23:35] <yax51> red-raven: I went in for advice, and got accused of being a troll....
[23:36] <WastedWillow> I don't know much about linux
[23:36] <WastedWillow> and tbh, I want to learn more
[23:36] <collinp> I learned as I went.
[23:36] <collinp> Find something you enjoy about Linux and work on that.
[23:36] <holstein> WastedWillow: do you need a server for anything?
[23:36] <holstein> maybe a file server
[23:36] <holstein> ssh or something
[23:36] <collinp> You'll acquire more and more knowledge as you go along.
[23:36] <collinp> It's not something you can learn overnight.
[23:36] <red-raven> im not going in the name of ubuntu lol.
[23:37] <holstein> that can be handy, and since its not your main machine, i think that can be less stressful
[23:37] <WastedWillow> MAybe I'll get an older box and make a server, I like that!
[23:37] <collinp> You're in an Ubuntu channel, and the Ubuntu channel sent you there.
[23:38] <red-raven> fine......
[23:38] <holstein> WastedWillow: http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi
[23:38] <holstein> that was a pretty fun way for me to get in the terminal everyday
[23:38] <holstein> and i use screen a lot now
[23:44] <WastedWillow> OKay, I will be back soon I hope
[23:44] <nit-wit> red-raven, I have ##windows in my favorites some good help there at times
[23:45] <red-raven> ok ok..... its useless so far though....
[23:49] <nit-wit> red-raven, do you have a XP cd
[23:49] <nit-wit> red-raven, does it have a recovery partition
[23:50] <wilkanaut> holstein: score!
[23:50] <holstein> wilkanaut: you running irssi in screen ?
[23:51] <wilkanaut> yes
[23:51] <holstein> :)
[23:51] <wilkanaut> err wait, not in screen
[23:51] <wilkanaut> on it
[23:51] <holstein> well
[23:51] <holstein> thats easy enough for later if you want to
[23:53] <holstein> wilkanaut: other little things too
[23:53] <holstein> next time you want to make a folder
[23:53] <holstein> try it in the command line