=== tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [07:37] good morning [08:07] Good morning [08:09] hey pitti! Happy new year! How are you? [08:10] hey didrocks, bonjour! I'm great, I enjoyed the long holidays [08:10] and you? [08:10] I enjoyed it too, moving to my new flat :) [08:10] got everything settled? [08:10] however, I still have no Internet, so I'm on a flappy connexion [08:11] not yet, will get the bed this evening for instance :) [08:11] ah, 3G and sleeping mattress :) [08:11] yeah ;) [08:11] been 20 days on a pneumatic mattress [08:11] this has to end :) [08:12] air bed* [08:27] didrocks: so now we have to re-learn what this computer thing is :) [08:27] hello there! [08:27] hey seb128! [08:27] hey pitti didrocks [08:27] pitti: exactly, it was so nice to be away from it for some time :) [08:27] bonjour Monsieur Bacher! Bonne annee! [08:28] hey pitti, "gute neue jahre?" ;-) [08:28] didrocks: me too; in all those two weeks I didn't work for more than perhaps 4 hours; spent lots of time with my family and friends, and played Descent 1 & 2 :) [08:28] seb128: "Gesundes neues Jahr" usually, but thanks! [08:28] ;-) [08:29] Gesundes neues Jahr then! ;-) [08:29] hey guys! happy new year everyone [08:29] * pitti hugs seb128 and didrocks [08:29] I managed to not work at all in 2 weeks [08:29] * pitti hugs mvo too, Gesundes Neues! [08:29] I'm not looking forwarding opening my mailbox [08:29] pitti: ahah, Descent! That's true you got it before the holidays :) [08:29] * mvo hugs pitti, seb128, didrocks [08:29] hey mvo [08:29] happy new year! [08:29] * didrocks hugs mvo, pitti and seb128 [08:29] didrocks: I bought d2 as well now, pretty nice [08:29] happy new year mvo [08:29] * seb128 hugs mvo pitti didrocks [08:30] now I have to get used to not sleeping until 9 [08:30] new bad habits? :) [08:31] and after peaceful two weeks my daughter decided last night, that 4 in the morning is the right time to get up and wake everyone up (took a good while until we slept again). so much for a good start into the working year ;) [08:31] hehehe, kids for you! [08:32] urgh :) [08:32] pitti, or get used to sleep until 9 and work later :p [08:32] * mvo will need a lot of tea to shake of the sleepiness [08:32] I gave up on waking up early, that's not for me :p [08:32] lol@seb128 - kids help here too :p [08:32] didrocks, btw how was your moving? [08:32] you got internet at your new place? [08:33] seb128: no Internet yet. I'm on a quite flappy connexion right now… [08:33] seb128: the moving was great otherwise, thanks! :) [08:33] I'll have my bed this evening normally [08:33] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team.html -> nice, we just touched the trend line; about time to end the holidays :) [08:34] almost settled, but the moving was done with a snowy weather, quite scary :) [08:34] yeah, I had a though for you at this time [08:34] nice that you made it ;-) [08:34] weeeh, its always "fun", moving isn't it. good luck to settle everything [08:35] didrocks, where do you work from then? some coffee shop in the city ? ;-) [08:35] stealing some open wifi close by? ;-) [08:35] seb128: thanks, yeah, it was obviously not the good 2 days for planning that :) [08:35] seb128: right now, I'm on free [08:35] freewifi* [08:35] (with my parents id) [08:36] fortunately a neighbour has free, so I can connect on this with other free user id [08:36] but the connexion is sometimes down [08:36] it's ok for today with all email catching I guess [08:37] if it really goes badly, I'll go to framasoft's house where I'm invited :) [08:37] ok [08:38] when will you get your line working? [08:39] don't really know… Free has blocked all new connexion since the 15th december with its new freebox (V6) until today… [08:40] so I should see things moving starting from now. (asking to france telecom to connect my flat back and then activate Free) [08:40] the new freebox will be sent starting tomorrow [08:40] hopefully I'll get something before going to Dallas [08:41] and you? how was your holidays? [08:43] great [08:43] not touching the computer for 2 weeks was really great, I needed that [08:44] nice :) [08:44] I should be better at taking some holidays during the year this year [08:44] I was really exhausted before the holidays [08:44] otherwise really relaxing time [08:45] ah, seb128 was on vacation, that explain I didn't get much in my "apt-get upgrade" [08:45] sleep, tv, some video gaming (zelda) [08:45] nice winter weather outside for some walks [08:46] FYI, the only hard-dep missing in natty to build empathy-3 is gnome-keyring-3 [08:46] seb128: excellent ;) indeed, we have a real winter weather this year [08:47] mvo: oh, you already fixed the libgnome2-perl -> libgtk2-perl dependencies of gdebi and friends? danke! [08:47] unfortunately, ssh agent doesn't work with gnome-keyring3 from the gnome3 ppa :( [08:48] morning and happy new year everyone! [08:48] hey dpm, happy new year! [08:49] hey pitti, did you have nice holidays? [08:49] happy new year dpm! [08:49] dpm: I did! lots of family, friends, snow, and Descent playing [08:49] cool :) [08:49] heya didrocks, happy new year to you too ;) [08:56] pitti: yw [09:00] mvo: can bug 659438 be fixed in natty soon, so that we can move it to maverick-updates? [09:00] Launchpad bug 659438 in python-apt (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 4 other projects) "Installation/Removal fails because of package which could not be located (faiulre in apt.Cache.required_download) (affects: 326) (dups: 177) (heat: 1678)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/659438 [09:09] pitti: yes, might be fixed there already, I double check [09:17] oh, yeah, let's play ping mvo [09:17] mvo, what's up with my update-notifier fix to make user crash be reported under unity [09:17] ? [09:21] seb128: I looked at it its fine, I had some minor nitpick but I forgot what it was, so I will look at it again today [09:22] mvo, it would be nice if you could land it in natty [09:22] so we receive bugs about unity [09:22] mvo, thanks ;-) [09:23] makes sense of course [09:26] jasoncwarner: good morning, and happy new year! had some nice holidays? [09:29] morning [09:32] hey rodrigo_, happy new year! how are you? [09:33] happy new year pitti [09:33] and all [09:33] seb128: do you mind if I update gsettings-desktop-schemas to 0.1.3? control-center git head needs it [09:35] pitti, go for it [09:35] pitti, you can probably just sync on debian [09:36] pitti, https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gsettings-desktop-schemas/0_1_3_release [09:36] rodrigo_: ah [09:36] rodrigo_: is that any different than Debian's? [09:36] we only use the lp:ubuntu/gsettings-desktop-schemas branch anyway, so syncing will update that as well [09:36] pitti, no, so just syncing from debian should be ok [09:36] hey seb128, happy new year [09:36] cool, doing that then [09:37] hey rodrigo_, happy new year! [09:37] didrocks, same to you :) [09:38] seb128, rodrigo_: yep, binary debdiff looks fine [09:38] rodrigo_, happy new year! [09:39] also, see https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-desktop/2_91_4_release [09:42] rodrigo_: need sponsoring? can do that [09:42] pitti, yes, unless someone already updated it last week [09:43] rodrigo_: into lp:ubuntu/g-d? [09:43] pitti, no, this is g-d-3, so lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-desktop/ubuntu-gtk3 [09:43] ah [09:43] I think that's the correct branch, seb128 ^ ? [09:44] although it should probably be lp:~gnome3-team/... as robert_ancell and I discussed the week before last week [09:45] rodrigo_: hm, these branches aren't compatible [09:45] well wait, not sure about g-d-3, robert_ancell suggested to use ~gnome3 branches for stuff that is only on the gnome3 ppa [09:46] and ~ubuntu-desktop/.../ubuntugtk3 for gnome3 versions of libs [09:46] pitti, oh? [09:46] bzr: ERROR: KnitPackRepository('file:///home/martin/ubuntu/gnome3/gnome-desktop3/.bzr/repository/') [09:46] is not compatible with [09:46] RemoteRepository(bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-desktop/2_91_4_release/.bzr/) [09:46] different rich-root support [09:46] rodrigo_: my local one is the checkout of lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-desktop/ubuntu-gtk3 [09:46] * pitti tries to upgrade to 2a [09:47] rodrigo_: ah, that worked; sorry for the noise [09:47] pitti, ah ok [09:47] rodrigo_: btw, having #MISSING in *.symbols is not acceptable [09:47] rodrigo_: I'll just remove them from the .symbols, as this is only a PPA etc., but it generally means that upstream screwed up the abi [09:48] oh, that was the diff shown by dh_gensymbols, it indeed looked strange to me [09:48] pitti, right [09:49] btw, I had a problem the week before last week after upgrading, with ssh-agent never showing the password dialog, any idea if something broke there? [09:49] * rodrigo_ upgrades [09:49] works here [09:50] pitti, with all up-to-date? [09:50] rodrigo_: yes, I dist-upgraded almost every day [09:51] hmm, maybe then it's something in the gnome3 ppa that broke it, but couldn't find what, so looking again [09:53] rodrigo_: does gnome-control-center with gnome3 ppa work for you? [09:53] rodrigo_: I get a "cannot open libgtk-x11-3.0.so library blabla" error [09:54] pitti, yes, that's an upstream bug in gtk, ln -s /usr/lib/libgtk-3.0.so /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-3.0.so should fix it [09:54] rodrigo_: oh, and I'll fix the version number; 2ubuntu1 -> 0ubuntu1 [09:54] rodrigo_: heh, ok [09:55] although g-c-c doesn't work for me now though [09:55] (gnome-control-center:6793): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: specified class size for type `CcPanel' is smaller than the parent type's `GtkBin' class size [09:55] I guess it needs a recompile [09:57] rodrigo_: same here; it doesn't crash, but doesn't show anything [09:58] rodrigo_: and you didn't update the patches [09:58] ok, I'll try rebuilding it, let's see [09:58] rodrigo_: in g-d3 [09:58] pitti, hmm [09:58] Patch 00git_no_GDK_DRAWABLE.patch can be reverse-applied [09:59] rodrigo_: 100_load_desired_settings.patch isn't in series, is that intended? [09:59] rodrigo_: want to fix this yourself, or want me to? [10:00] I'll fix it [10:00] thanks [10:01] ok, so again, patches are not applied when I build locally, as it happened in my seahorse branch, any idea why that happens? [10:01] rodrigo_: please pull from lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-desktop/ubuntu-gtk3 first [10:01] rodrigo_: as I updated the branch format, merged from you, and did the version fix [10:01] ok [10:01] (pull instead of merge should work and is cleaner) [10:01] Requested 'gdk-pixbuf-2.0 >= 2.23.0' but version of GdkPixbuf is 2.22.1 [10:02] rodrigo_: ^ do you know where I can get that from? It doesn't seem to be in the PPA [10:02] I thought we should have the GTK 3 stack in natty already [10:02] 2.23 was realeased during the holidays [10:03] ah, ok [10:03] pitti, yeah [10:03] so we simply need an update of that? [10:03] want me to do that? [10:03] it's in debian experimental [10:03] i. e. merge it? [10:03] the diff with debian is probably small to null [10:03] that would be great [10:03] right on it [10:03] the gtk3 situation is weird [10:03] I'm still catching up on emails [10:03] but the ppa has a git snapshot? [10:03] seb128: that's fine; for these things I'd just rather confirm with you first [10:04] ricotz, could you not upload git snapshots to the ppa for gtk? [10:04] it's a gnome3 ppa not a crack of the day one [10:04] rodrigo_: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3/+packages doesn't seem to? [10:04] the natty version is stucked in NEW [10:04] but maybe it's ok, I read it had some crasher issue [10:05] seb128, he uploaded it because of the libgtk-x11* problem [10:05] seb128: if you talk about the new GTK, that was reverted [10:05] seb128, hi, this was intended to fix some great problems, like rodrigo_ said [10:06] seb128, so, once we have the fixed one in natty, we can remove it from the ppa [10:06] ah, I'll NEW it [10:06] 3 minutes too late, of course [10:07] seb128: so gtk+3.0 replaces the gdk-pixbuf package? [10:07] or are we talking about two different things here? [10:07] we are talking about different things I think [10:07] but I didn't really follow what happened with gtk [10:07] or the breakage ricotz and rodrigo_ are talking about [10:07] what version was broken? [10:08] I seem to remember that 2.91.8 had a problem and broke gdm for many people, and then got reverted [10:08] but I don't see evidence of that in teh changelog, so maybe it wasn't gtk+3.0 [10:08] we never had 2.91.8 in natty [10:08] or not on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+publishinghistory [10:08] hi there [10:08] Happy New year [10:08] hey baptistemm, happy new year! [10:09] pitti, gtk2.23.3 is broken and also gtk2.91.7 ;) [10:09] ricotz, rodrigo_: gtk+3.0 binNEWed, but that's still 2.91.7, and the PPA has 2.91.8~git [10:09] seb128: ah, so it was gtk2, not gtk3 [10:09] pitti, so the gtk you just newed is broken [10:10] yes [10:10] seb128: sorry If i sent you a picture of me yesterday :) [10:10] seb128: but we already have 2.91.7-0ubuntu1 in natty [10:11] seb128: i. e. the binNEW wasn't a new upstream version [10:11] oh right [10:11] so is 2.91.7 broken and how so? [10:11] it just re-adds pixbuf [10:11] seb128: jdstrand reported (with gtk2) a gdm failure; I didn't have that [10:11] beyond that I don't know details, I'm afraid [10:12] gtk3 at least works with apport and jockey etc., although only without themes [10:12] ricotz, rodrigo_: what is broken in 2.91.7 and 2.23.3? [10:13] seb128, 2.91.7 dropped some *.pc files and messed up a method return value [10:13] and i think 2.23.3 broke the api [10:13] way to go gtk guys [10:14] we should really stay away from GNOME3 this cycle [10:20] seb128: gdk-pixbuf> we have one extra patch, the rest of the diff is just noise; I'll double-check if the patch is still necessary, and merge or sync [10:25] hum, I think I'm the only one with a broken bzr right? [10:26] didrocks, I neither dist-upgraded nor finished catchup with emails [10:26] so I didn't try yet, what is broken? [10:27] I upgraded and downloaded my email in an cafe yesterday knowing my connexion today :) getting a big stacktrace on bzr branch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/549771/ [10:28] didrocks: workaround: python2.6 /usr/bin/bzr ... [10:28] pitti: ok, was going to try that, should escape ~ as bash try to interpret it with python 2.6 as a command [10:29] pitti: working well, thanks! :) [10:30] pitti, what gobject-introspection binary versions did you reject? [10:30] pitti, the bug was in 0ubuntu2 and fixed in 0ubuntu3 I think [10:30] those were maybe a leftover of the broken upload? [10:30] 0.10.0-0ubuntu1 [10:30] 2010-12-23 [10:31] seb128: ah, indeed [10:31] ok great [10:31] brb [10:35] I really like the new shotwell, BTW; spent last night until 2 am to tag all my photos, now that shotwell actually puts those into the .jpg :) [10:37] kenvandine: did you forward gdk-pixbuf 065_gir_set_packages.patch to upstream anywhere? this should be fixed there, too [10:40] morning [10:41] bonjour huats, bonne annee! [10:41] lut huats, bonne année ! [10:42] pitti, yeah, that and it handles videos now [10:42] shotwell for the win ;-) [10:42] seb128: ah, it didn't before? yes, works well now [10:42] pitti, no it didn't before ;-) [10:42] bonne année too seb128 and pitti ! [10:43] seb128: had it running for some 4 hours without a single crash; it just hangs a couple of times when the I/O from rewriting files gets too high [10:43] didrocks, btw I had fun with compiz after you left ;-) [10:43] but that's just a general linux misbehaviour [10:43] right [10:43] seb128: I saw that! You played reverting my workaround :p [10:43] didrocks, it breaks menus for some reason [10:43] seb128: that's evil, I don't make an upload at 3AM just for fun :p [10:43] and I didn't get the hang [10:44] didrocks, well there is no hang, that stacktrace of yours was a redhearing [10:44] seb128: yeah, you are lucky :) [10:44] it does crash on start for everybody though [10:44] in the unity session [10:44] unity doesn't crash in the classic session [10:44] it's really weird [10:44] about the menu, sam told me it was because of something else he already had [10:44] just the workaround make it more often [10:44] like if you enable unity in ccsm in the classic session it works [10:44] yeah, it's really a redhearing… [10:44] but it crashes in the unity session [10:45] confirmed by several people [10:45] that's why I fought it for 4 hours before deciding to go the workaround way… [10:45] * Amaranth doesn't get a hang/crash when starting unity session [10:45] I don't get the difference between classic with unity on and unity [10:45] Amaranth: try to remove the workaround in -0ubuntu3 [10:45] There shouldn't be a difference [10:45] Amaranth: and read the changelog [10:45] didrocks: oh, right, someone put it back in [10:45] bleh [10:45] I never saw that hang though :) [10:45] it's using the profile environment variable [10:45] a different code path then [10:45] it's not an hang [10:45] it's a crash on start [10:46] bug #691561 [10:46] Launchpad bug 691561 in compiz (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "compiz crash on login to Unity desktop (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 263)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/691561 [10:46] seb128: Sam wanted to know if we could get the patch for bug 691545 applied in ubuntu [10:46] Launchpad bug 691545 in libwnck (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "[natty] moving a window between workspaces changes its position (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/691545 [10:46] ^ the bug I just pointed is the crash without the workaround [10:47] yeah, not much info there [10:48] there is a debug stacktrace [10:48] Amaranth, the libwnck patch, seems fine to me, someone should add the patch to the bug and subscribe the sponsors [10:48] or get didrocks to sponsor it for you ;-) [10:48] the gconf backend is just wrong from the design in any case… I really hope in N+1 we can get the gsettings one [10:48] waouh, I'm done with email catching up [10:48] I already answered to sam I can sponsor it once I've done with my emails [10:48] well not with the bug boxes [10:48] congrats seb128 :) [10:48] lucky you :) [10:49] but everything else including debian and natty changes [10:49] I might just declare bugmail bankrupcy [10:49] oh oh oh, that bug is a dupe [10:49] set them all as read [10:49] I think that's the perfect to tell "dx will handle unity bugs now" and mark the 700 emails marked as read :) [10:49] crash in CompWindow::id() [10:49] time* [10:49] Amaranth, known issue but no patch right? [10:50] didrocks, 1982 emails in my launchpad box [10:50] Which is because screen->windows somehow ends up containing an invalid pointer and unity doesn't make sure they're valid before calling the id method [10:50] over 410 in my unity one [10:50] Amaranth, so 2 bugs, one in compiz and unity not being careful enough? [10:50] pretty much [10:51] Amaranth, bug 685418 (i'm the reporter)? i don't get this spinning cursor anymore, though. [10:51] Launchpad bug 685418 in unity "SIGSEGV in CompWindow::id() (affects: 4) (heat: 24)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/685418 [10:51] screen->windows should never have an invalid CompWindow pointer in there but if unity checked for it the problem would go away [10:51] seb128: I'm just counting the unity one, not the "general/compiz/misc". It should be no more than 1200 though… I lose :) [10:51] hey htorque, happy new year [10:52] seb128, thanks, to you (and everyone else) too :) [10:52] Amaranth, happy new year as well btw [10:52] thanks, you as well [10:52] seb128: 410 only for unity? oh, that's because you are not in the dx team and don't have upstream one it seems [10:52] that's an evil place as well :) [10:53] didrocks, right, I'm only in the unity team [10:53] happy new year Amaranth and htorque [10:53] that's enough for my taste :p [10:53] :) [10:53] hey Amaranth, happy new year! [10:53] happy new year didrocks and mvo :) [10:55] Amaranth: btw, someone proposed to package -extra. I think you're not on it, right? [10:55] didrocks: someone did it already [10:56] didrocks, I've noticed that the "Ubuntu Classic Desktop" menu entry in gdm is not translatable (or at least I could not find the translation). Do you happen to know where it comes from? [10:56] seb128, rodrigo_: do you think we should have libgnomekbd3 in natty, similar to gnome-desktop and gtk? [10:56] dpm: oh, I maybe didn't add it to the POTFILE [10:57] pitti, we can't [10:57] pitti, it's not versioned [10:57] pitti, what seb128 says [10:58] pitti, the binaries and images etc don't have a versioned dir or name [10:58] Amaranth: ok, it's the same person, it's just that I had no Internet during the holidays and was catching up today [10:58] seb128: we have abi 4, PPA has ABI 7? [10:58] seb128: ah, ok [10:58] dpm: I'll check, thanks [10:58] pitti, well it only has 3 rdepends which need to be upload together anyway [10:58] didrocks, thank you :) [10:58] seb128: and libgnomekbd 2.91 won't work with gnome 2.30? [10:58] g-s-d g-s g-c-c [10:58] pitti, it's using gtk3 [10:58] ok [10:58] Amaranth: so, once smspillaz will reorganize to have one tree and that we will split the packages, I'll rename and remove "fusion" in the name, agreed? [10:59] seb128: thanks for the heads-up; I just wondered because I remembered that we said "have the libraries, but not the apps" [10:59] pitti, there is nothing to win to update, as said only 3 rdepends [10:59] didrocks: sounds good [10:59] pitti, no worry, yeah that's still the story when possible [10:59] seb128: would make it easier (or possible) to build gtk3 stuff on natty [10:59] * Amaranth wanted to use the new 3.0 support for multiple tarballs in one source package to do that [10:59] pitti, I'm pondering rolling back gtk3 out of the CD [11:00] Amaranth: I think smspillaz wanted to only make one tarball with everything in it. But I'll check. Yeah, source 3 will be nice. Not sure if we can push the lp team for daily builds [11:01] seb128: was it just me (apport, language-selector) who pulled it in? [11:01] pitti, yes [11:01] pitti, that's a topic for the rally though I guess, will be either to get mterry and robert_ancell in the discussion [11:02] but since we will not likely update any GNOME component in natty we could as well roll back gtk3 from the cd [11:02] if you could use gtk2 stack for apport and l-s [11:02] seb128, oh, no GTK3 for natty? :( [11:03] seb128: hm, in theory we should even be able to use g-i with gtk2? [11:03] pitti, yes [11:03] if you don't need any new api [11:03] xclaesse, well it's in natty but maybe not on the default installation [11:03] xclaesse, it will still be maintained in main and uptodate [11:03] seb128: not really; I ported to some GTK3isms, but shouldn't be too hard to support both [11:03] * xclaesse hoped empathy3 would be on natty [11:03] it will be in the gnome3 ppa [11:04] dpm: confirmed, it was just missing from the POTFILES.in, do you have a bug report about it? [11:04] it's not really possible to bring one part of GNOME3 without everything [11:04] seb128: it's a lot more than apport and l-s, though [11:04] seb128: check sudo apt-get purge libgtk3.0-0 on a live system [11:04] seb128, sure it is everything or nothing... but hoped it would be everything :P [11:05] but I can perfectly understand it is risky [11:05] right, it's risky [11:05] didrocks, I don't have a bug report because I did not know against which package to file it. If you need one, I'll be more than happy to do it [11:05] we will probably have a better experience for users with the ppa [11:05] tbh I won't believe in GNOME3 into GTK 3.0 is released [11:05] since it means we will be able to update things after the natty freeze [11:05] dpm: no, it's not needed. It was just to close it in case :) [11:05] s/into/until/ [11:05] seb128: hm, libcanberra-gtk0 depends on gtk3; that looks like a bug? (only libcanberra3-gtk-0 sohuld) [11:06] pitti, indeed [11:06] seb128: and mousetweaks; the rest is transitive dependencies [11:07] I didn't check this one but should be easy enough to downgrade the version if needed [11:07] but let's discuss it next week [11:07] ack [11:07] didrocks, great, thanks. So once fixed, which package should I check out to find the string? Was it gdm? [11:07] it just feels like natty is a short target for GNOME3 [11:07] GNOME3 is still changing a lot and breaking [11:07] dpm: no, it's in gnome-session [11:08] dpm: I just pushed the bzr branch right now, will upload it with other change later this week, maybe [11:08] it's not likely we will manage to get a great GNOME3 this cycle, upstream and distro work speaking [11:09] seb128: just as a heads-up, I'm currently investigating how much effort it is to separately package the g-c-c 3 user admin portion for natty, to replace gnome-system-tools [11:09] thanks didrocks [11:09] dpm: yw :) [11:09]