[06:51] Wann === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann-holiday === oubiwann-holiday is now known as oubiwann_ === oubiwann_ is now known as oubiwann === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann_ === oubiwann_ is now known as oubiwann === doko_ is now known as doko [15:59] * skaet looks around and sees some familiar nicks :) [16:00] * micahg waves [16:00] hello skaet, happy new year! [16:00] * charlie-tca waves [16:00] :) [16:00] #startmeeting [16:00] Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is skaet. [16:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:00] Happy New Year all! [16:00] Not sure if we'll have quorum or not, but a quick run through of the agenda, so we know the questions to ask this week seems appropriate. [16:00] happy new year to all! [16:01] Agenda can be found: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/StableReleaseAgenda [16:01] Reminder, please follow the convention of using ".." on a separate line when you've finished typing. Also, If someone wants to comment on the last point, please "o/", so we know to wait. [16:02] and with that probably a good idea to start off... [16:03] [TOPIC] open action items [16:03] New Topic: open action items [16:03] marjo - any update on the SRU test reports being added into the agenda? [16:04] skaet: please mark that one done; we'll include starting this week [16:04] awesome! thanks marjo. [16:04] victorp, how about the cert ones? [16:05] hmm, no victorp yet... [16:05] any other updates to the open action items? [16:06] ok, moving on [16:06] [TOPIC] Bug updates [16:06] New Topic: Bug updates [16:07] since last month there's been about +37 bugs opened for maverick, +24 on lucid. [16:07] urgh; hopefully most of them as part of SRU uploads? [16:07] not sure [16:08] just started looking at the numbers this morning, and I think some serious triaging may be needed. [16:08] esp. with 10.04.2 scheduled for next month the lucid ones are a bit of a concern. [16:08] skaet: will follow up w/ bdmurray re: triaging [16:08] thanks marjo. :) [16:09] pitti, where are things standing with karmic SRU release right now? (did one go out?) [16:09] skaet - hi [16:09] skaet: very few; basically the kernel churn, and there are two untested papyon/tomboy packages in -proposed [16:10] .. [16:10] thanks pitti. [16:10] What about the Karmic kernel still in -proposed? [16:11] sconklin: untested, and -ec2 doesn't even have a tracking bug [16:11] see bug 683474 [16:11] Launchpad bug 683474 in linux (Ubuntu Karmic) "Karmic: 2.6.31-22.70 -proposed tracker" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683474 [16:11] we're only testing maverick and lucid [16:12] Karmic falls back to the old "time in proposed" [16:12] hmm, this probably needs to be made clearer then in the process docs. [16:12] if that's the concensus. [16:13] so we still need someone in the community to install and test that kernel [16:13] pitti, sconklin: pedro tested http://people.canonical.com/~pedro/kernel/kernel-2.6.31-22.70/ [16:13] well, Ideally everything would get all testing, but we're resource-bound [16:14] we schedule runs (of earlier) in when there are gaps with maverick/lucid testing? [16:14] marjo, that's the right kernel [16:14] marjo: ah, nice! so we can consider this done [16:15] sconklin: so that leaves the -ec2 one [16:15] bug updated [16:15] pitti: only if we agree that HW cert tests did not have to be run, see bug report please [16:15] marjo: it was a security update only, so I think that's fine [16:15] pitti: ack [16:15] marjo, victorp, skaet - I'm dependent on the people who do the testing to determine what's possible. We need to figure out what we're doing as a rule and document it [16:15] we just need to guard against misbuilds and grave errors here [16:15] pitti, sconklin I guess i can try to get some generic boot/regression testing done for ec2 either today or tomorrow [16:15] pitti: agreed [16:16] smb`: thanks [16:16] smb`: that sounds fine [16:16] sconklin, pitti, agreed. [16:16] ec2 is basically just on kvm, isn't it? so that shouldn't be too hard to test [16:16] sconklin - agreed , I am happy to document the hwcert part , let me know where [16:16] smb thanks. [16:17] ok, moving on... [16:17] [TOPIC] 10.04.2 [16:17] New Topic: 10.04.2 [16:17] sconklin, any update on the kernel milestoned bugs? [16:18] There was one bug milestoned, and I just chatted with Robbie - it's probably going to be rescheduled [16:18] thanks sconklin. :) [16:19] any one around from foundations today? (cjwatson's on holiday) === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-lunch [16:19] hmm, no bugs tagged against server at the moment so we're good there. [16:19] pitti, any update on the desktop milestoned ones? [16:20] skaet: I updated the wiki page [16:20] pitti, thanks! :) [16:20] the summary is that none of them are currently being worked on [16:20] one is just a "do it" thing (geode), the other two are pretty much "won'tfix" [16:20] we don't currently have active work on 10.04.2 in teh desktop team [16:21] is there something we should focus on? [16:21] .. [16:21] any chance we'll get someone to work on OOo? [16:21] between now and Feb? [16:21] skaet, see the ML, doko already did it seems [16:22] skaet: question for Jason, I don't have an update since december [16:22] holidays.. [16:22] doko heroically packaged LibO for natty, though [16:22] (not finished yet) [16:22] ogra, cool. will look into it a bit more. was just looking at top level status this morning. [16:23] pitti, fair 'nuf. will follow up with jason, and keep fingers crossed on the rest. [16:24] will dig into the 10.04.2 bugs in more detail this week and next. release is 2/17, so there's still time. [16:24] any questions/comments? [16:24] about 10.04.2 in general? [16:24] [TOPIC] Stable Release Updates [16:24] New Topic: Stable Release Updates [16:25] micahg, yup sorry... [16:25] yes, I was wondering about the release timeline WRT freezes [16:25] * micahg apologizes for not raising a hand [16:26] micahg, no worries. will take an action to set the date, and broadcast. [16:26] * skaet will go back into the precedent emails :) [16:27] anyone else? [16:27] ok, back to Stable Release [16:28] sconklin, know you're just back, but anything on the hot plate? [16:28] Not that I'm aware of, but I haven't even cleared email yet [16:28] same here [16:28] skaet: what di you to know about foundations? [16:28] thanks sconklin, ogra [16:29] doko, just wondering if any updates on the 10.04.2 milestoned bugs from foundations team. [16:29] sorry, don't know [16:30] no worries. [16:30] pitti, sconklin - so I'm guessing no need for a hw cert run, or regression runs this week? [16:30] skaet: not that I can see [16:31] if there are resources, then how about testing karmic? [16:31] skaet: we're going to discuss today whether we can upload a new cycle start by Friday. [16:31] victorp, marjo ^^ [16:31] skaet: ack [16:31] sconklin, ack [16:32] rtg__, discussed and someone is on it [16:32] rtg__, see earlier in log. [16:32] sconklin, victorp, marjo, when is the next reasonable date to aim for lucid/maverick then? [16:32] rtg_ we would like to focus this week on natty [16:33] sorry, my machine wedged and I must have missed it [16:33] skaet - date to start or to release? [16:33] skaet: we'd really like to hit Friday upload but don't know if we can make it [16:33] victorp, what's natty? :-) [16:33] skaet - I would like to avoid a "2nd week" during the rally [16:34] We'll let everyone know by tomorrow morning [16:34] victorp, sconklin - how about aim for testing cycle, week after rally then, and release that thursday? [16:34] bjf - dont know anymore :) [16:34] That would put first week during the rally [16:34] "Verification Phase" [16:34] skaet: two possible conflicts: 1) rally 2) US holiday 17 January [16:35] marjo, sconklin - true [16:35] skaet: more concerned about rally conflict [16:35] skaet - I wanted to clarify one thing - if we call it a "regression week" and we release on thursday, that means that the proposed kernels for regression have to be made available the thursday before, right? [16:35] but should be manageable [16:36] marjo - not for hw cert as laptops need to be rebooted manually and might not have anyone in the lab [16:36] victorp, yes, kernels should be avail week before. [16:36] skaet - thanks [16:36] victorp: ack [16:36] let's please try to use the names "verification phase" and "testing phase" [16:36] so, should we just aim for releasing on Jan 20, or Jan 27? [16:37] sconklin, I'll go mark up the interlock that way if it will help. [16:37] skaet: yeah, naming was not handled well by me at the outset, and I'm trying to unify everything now [16:37] thanks [16:38] ok - will do. [16:38] sconklin ack [16:38] skaet - I vote for the 27th [16:39] right now shedule has 1/6 and 1/27 as release dates for SRU targets. Does it make sense to drop 1/27 and just go with 1/20? [16:39] heh [16:39] * skaet types too slow for victorp [16:40] if there's nothing on the hot burner, some focus on natty and the lucid 10.04.2 bugs makes sense. [16:40] skaet - 1/20 means the verification phase is during the rally, is that ok? [16:40] victorp, good point. [16:40] skaet: if we're voting, then i vote for release on 1/27 [16:40] ok, 1/27 it is. [16:41] any other topics to discuss today on the SRU side? [16:41] going once? [16:42] twice? [16:42] ok, probably time to end the meeting. [16:42] thanks everyone for participating. :) [16:42] \o/ [16:42] #endmeeting [16:42] Meeting finished at 10:42. [16:42] skaet: thx! [16:42] thanks for holding the first meeting this year ;) [16:42] thanks skaet - sorry for my late appearance ! [16:42] same here [16:42] somehow my gcal notification didnt go off it seems [16:42] thanks marjo, victorp, ogra, pitti, sconklin, bjf! [16:43] thanks all [16:44] thanks skaet [16:45] thanks micahg :) [16:45] will see if we can nail down that freeze shortly. :) [16:46] skaet: great, thanks [16:46] micahg, thanks for bringing it up. :) [17:03] ogra: sure you're not using an iphone alarm :) === Ursinha-lunch is now known as Ursinha === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:34] czajkowski, i dont use apple products ;) [17:38] ogra: no exuse so :) hope you had a good christmas [17:39] i did [17:39] * ogra has a new housemate :) [17:39] http://www.grawert.net/bodo.jpg [17:41] ahh cat! [17:41] awww. [17:41] cats freak me out [17:42] and also scare me === bilalakhtar_ is now known as cdbs === bilalakhtar_ is now known as cdbs [18:09] * DJones offers czajkowski a kebab stick to deal with the cat [18:10] another thing that should be not be allowed, Kebabs! [18:10] tell that to the turks [18:10] ogra: do you go to FOSDEM ? [18:10] i'm pondering [18:10] depends a bit on the weather [18:11] you should it is full of awesome! [18:11] czajkowski: Kebabs are good as long as its not a donner kebab [18:11] i guess i'll decide it spontaneous ... i havent been there since 2006 [18:13] is it full of kebab? [18:15] czajkowski: you don't like kebab? [18:59] o/ [19:00] * barry waves [19:03] cjwatson, persia, cody-somerville, bdrung: We have a DMB meeting now, don't we? [19:03] yes, we have! [19:04] we do? I thought it wasn't for another hour [19:04] and usually its another hour after that :P [19:04] cody-somerville: Did it move? [19:04] not that I know of. [19:04] maybe google calendar is just broken crap [19:04] "date -u" shows Mo 3. Jan 19:04:34 UTC 2011 [19:04] Then I'm reasonably sure it's now. Reasonably being the operative word. [19:05] I don't think the current time is being debated :) [19:05] the wiki page says the meeting is at 1900 utc [19:05] It's whether that happens to coincide with the time set for this meeting. === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [19:05] Wciked . [19:05] Wicked, even. [19:05] * soren <--- Now with improved typing. [19:05] hmm... I don't see an event on the fridge calendar for the DMB meeting [19:05] I'm pretty sure there used to be one [19:05] :) [19:06] Don't believe everything you read. [19:06] Or don't read. [19:08] * cody-somerville creates new events. [19:08] ugh, and you can't use UTC :( [19:08] What do you have to use? [19:08] cody-somerville: ^ [19:09] * cody-somerville is looking up a timezone that he can use that always matches UTC. [19:09] Iceland. [19:09] Something/Reykjavik [19:09] cody-somerville: ^ [19:09] They have no DST and are at UTC+0. [19:10] cool [19:11] I forget what the Something is. Politically, Iceland is European, but it's probably Atlantic/Reykjavik or something. [19:13] wow. what happened to google calendars. Its all hard to use now. I can't see where to make an event repeating and had a hard time finding out how to set the time (its on a separate tab :S) [19:13] oh, there it is [19:14] where are the others? [19:15] Holiday in the UK [19:15] FYI, I added DMB meeting to Fridge Calendar. It should be the right time from now on. Can everyone check to make sure it shows up right for them? [19:16] dang, so likely no quorum? [19:16] * geser is here now [19:17] That makes four of us. [19:19] then let's begin. [19:20] chair? [19:20] Sure, go ahead. [19:20] Wow, you walked right into that one. [19:20] i was asking who want to be chair? [19:22] I know. I was just jokingly assuming you were volunteering. [19:22] cody-somerville: maybe you? you should have been the chair for the last meeting. === cody-somerville changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs [19:23] ^^ Calendar now understands 'UTC' FYI [19:23] okay [19:23] #startmeeting [19:23] Meeting started at 13:23. The chair is cody-somerville. [19:23] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [19:23] Rock! [19:24] but someone else has to do the write up and update the agenda + minutes on wiki :P [19:24] [TOPIC] Review of previous action items [19:24] New Topic: Review of previous action items [19:24] * Colin Watson to find a convenient time for a meeting for Martin Pool's application. [19:24] Colin Watson isn't present, carrying action item [19:24] [TOPIC] Administrative Matters [19:24] New Topic: Administrative Matters [19:24] * Review Marco Rodrigues participation in Ubuntu Development [19:25] cody-somerville: the fridge calendar says "The calendar below is in GMT (no daylight savings)." [19:25] I sent out an e-mail while I was on vacation to Marco with details of the consensus we reached at the last DMB meeting. [19:25] thanks for sending the mail. [19:26] bdrung, I changed the timezone of the calendar to that iceland one soren said. It doesn't have daylights saving so will always be GMT+0 which is UTC [19:26] Anything else to discuss regarding Marco? I haven't got a response back from him. [19:26] Waiting on him, them. [19:26] then. [19:26] * Review responsibilities and requirements of DMB delegates (CodySomerville) [19:27] I'll write an e-mail up about this and send it to the list. We can discuss at meeting after that. [19:27] * stgraber just noticed the meeting. Kind of around if you need me [19:27] [TOPIC] Package Sets [19:27] New Topic: Package Sets [19:27] No applications this week. [19:27] [TOPIC] PerPackageUploader Applications [19:27] New Topic: PerPackageUploader Applications [19:27] * MartinPool/DeveloperApplication [19:27] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinPool/DeveloperApplication [19:27] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinPool/DeveloperApplication [19:28] stgraber: Sorry, forgot to ping you, too :( [19:28] He doesn't appear to be on IRC at the moment. [19:28] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Contributing Developer Applications [19:28] New Topic: Ubuntu Contributing Developer Applications [19:28] No applications this week. [19:28] any questions left that didn't get asked on the last meeting? [19:28] [TOPIC] MOTU Applications [19:28] New Topic: MOTU Applications [19:29] * Angel Abad [19:29] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AngelAbad/MOTUApplication [19:29] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AngelAbad/MOTUApplication [19:29] Hi, Im here! [19:29] angelabad, Hello. Please introduce yourself and explain why you feel you should be granted MOTU status. [19:30] Hi, Im Angel Abad from Basque [19:31] Country (Spain), Im universe contributor, and I work specially [19:31] in merges and sync, also im debian maintainer and in dd process, I think [19:31] I have good skills for packaging and I can help a lot in Universe packages [19:32] you can see my endorsements, I think them are good endrosements. [19:32] angelabad, Have you ever packaged any software from scratch? [19:32] cody-somerville, not for ubuntu, but yes for Debian [19:33] you can see my packages http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=angelabad%40gmail.com [19:33] perl packages are group packages, but others like almanah or dajax are packaged for me from scratch [19:33] angelabad: you wrote "sometimes poorly tested software is included in Ubuntu distribution". do you have any idea how to improve the quality? [19:34] bdrung, sincerely no, I think this is the result of unstable sync [19:35] angelabad, Is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mango-lassi/001+dfsg-3 a sync? [19:36] cody-somerville, yes [19:36] * cody-somerville wishes Launchpad would make that more obvious. [19:36] angelabad: so we should sync from testing instead? [19:37] bdrung, I dont know, but a possibility would be to wait some days after sync with unstable, only an idea... [19:39] angelabad: wait some days? you mean, that a unstable package should only synced if it is x days old? [19:40] bdrung, yes [19:40] interesting suggestion [19:41] angelabad: you could start a discussion on the ubuntu-devel mailing list [19:42] bdrung, ok! [19:43] angelabad, Are you familiar with the SRU and freeze exception policies? [19:44] cody-somerville, sincerelly not much, I know I must work more on SRUs, but I promise to work hard on it [19:45] angelabad: did you know that for lucid we actually did sync from testing instead of unstable? (sorry to interrupt) [19:46] maco, no [19:46] i dont know that [19:50] I'm ready to vote. [19:50] me too [19:50] me too [19:52] * soren pokes cody-somerville [19:53] [VOTE] MOTU Application: Angel Abad [19:53] Please vote on: MOTU Application: Angel Abad. [19:53] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [19:53] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [19:53] +1 [19:53] +1 received from bdrung. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [19:53] +1 [19:53] +1 received from geser. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [19:53] +1 [19:53] +1 received from soren. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [19:54] +1 [19:54] +1 received from stgraber. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [19:54] +0 [19:54] Abstention received from cody-somerville. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4 [19:54] #endvote [19:54] [ENDVOTE] [19:54] Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 4 [19:55] angelabad, Congratulations. [19:55] thanks a lot for your votes! [19:55] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Core Developer Applications [19:55] New Topic: Ubuntu Core Developer Applications [19:55] * Barry Warsaw [19:55] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BarryWarsaw/MyApplication [19:55] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BarryWarsaw/MyApplication [19:55] * barry waves [19:56] barry, Hello Barry. Please take a moment to introduce yourself and why you feel you should be granted Core Developer status. [19:57] i'm barry warsaw, and i have been on the platform foundations team @ canonical for (iirc) over a year now. i have been a python core dev for 15+ years, been doing s/w development for maybe 30. working on becoming a dd. i am intimately involved in the python 2.7 transition for natty. [19:58] * geser points also at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/12/20/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t12:00 for some questioning of barry (and poolie) at the last (informal) meeting [19:59] having core dev status would greatly help natty dev as it would reduce the lag for fixing 2.7 transition issues (there is no python package set, and i understand will not be because of complexity). i think i have a pretty good grasp of packaging, and am not afraid to ask questions [19:59] geser: thanks, yes we had a long discussion at the last meeting before the new year [19:59] i've done a few packages from scratch and have fixed a bunch of existing packages [20:01] barry: what's the current status of becoming DD? [20:02] bdrung: it's going slowly because i'm concentrating on ubuntu, and it takes longer to get turnaround on sponsored packages in debian. but it's progressing and i intend to make another push at it after the platform rally [20:02] i've got my own packages and am adopting more to help out with. i'm pretty active in debian-python [20:02] Do you do any work outside of Python in Ubuntu or Debian? [20:04] cody-somerville: atm no, but that's still includes a wide range of technology (e.g. because of embedding, c and c++ is included). the 2.7 transition is consuming my time this cycle, but i'm certainly comfortable in c, c++, java at the very least. i'm a good software breaker and fixer :) [20:04] i've got a firm grasp of autotools too [20:05] barry, Have you ever completed the freeze exception process, SRU process, or security update process in Ubuntu? [20:06] cody-somerville: i have not had occasion to yet. i've read the docs, but until you actually do it... i vaguely remember assisting others with a few such requests [20:08] Does anyone else have any questions for barry? [20:09] [VOTE] Ubuntu Core Developer Application: Barry Warsaw [20:09] Please vote on: Ubuntu Core Developer Application: Barry Warsaw. [20:09] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [20:09] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [20:10] -0 Although a smart guy who I'm sure will be a core developer some day, unfortunately currently does not meet criteria for Core Dev. [20:11] err [20:11] -1 Although a smart guy who I'm sure will be a core developer some day, unfortunately currently does not meet criteria for Core Dev. [20:11] -1 received from cody-somerville. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1 [20:12] +1 [20:12] +1 received from geser. 1 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0 [20:16] +0 [20:16] Abstention received from bdrung. 1 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0 [20:19] soren, stgraber: ? [20:19] +1 [20:19] +1 received from soren. 2 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1 [20:19] Sorry, phased out for a bit there. [20:20] [ENDVOTE] [20:20] Final result is 2 for, 1 against. 1 abstained. Total: 1 [20:20] geser: Thanks for the nudge. [20:20] barry, Unfortunately your application for Core Developer status has been denied for the time being. [20:21] cody-somerville, bdrung can you describe what you would like to see from me for you to be able to comfortably give me a +1? i will be back :) [20:21] barry, I recommend being move involved with the Ubuntu development processes before applying again. I also want to see solid endorsements on your application and preferably no negative ones. [20:22] barry, I also recommend branching out from just python stuff. [20:22] barry, That is critical. You need to be a generalist to be a core developer. [20:23] barry, If you were applying for upload permissions to just python stuff, I would have gave +1 - something you might also consider instead of core developer in the near future. [20:23] cody-somerville: okay, i understand you want proof of that. i am a generalist who is consumed in one area right now. [20:23] unfortunately there is no way that i know of to ask for upload permissions to just python stuff :( [20:24] barry, Request the creation of a python package set [20:25] cody-somerville: IIRC cjwatson has already said he's unwilling to administer such a package set. [20:25] won't happen [20:25] cody-somerville: that was mentioned last time and i think cjwatson said it was unfeasible [20:25] cody-somerville: i did that on ubuntu-devel a few months ago and received silence. also, at the last meeting cjwatson effectively shot that down as being too complicate (probably rightly so) [20:25] *python toolchain package set [20:25] barry: would MOTU + PPU help in the mean-time? Or are you touching too many main packages? [20:26] tumbleweed: i am touching many main packages ;) [20:26] i have ppu to a few but it seems infeasible to ask for ppu on everything i'm going to touch [20:26] * micahg thinks python toolchain packageset sounds like a good idea, but isn't sure how many packages that is or if it helps [20:27] Anyhow, lets wrap up. [20:27] [topic] Select a chair for the next meeting [20:27] New Topic: Select a chair for the next meeting [20:28] no volunteers? Okay. [20:28] #endmeeting [20:28] Meeting finished at 14:28. [20:28] geser, Would you be kind enough to take care of the meeting minutes for me? :) [20:28] thank you guys [20:29] cody-somerville: sure, can do [20:29] There's plenty of prior art to granting people with narrow focus core-dev privs. [20:30] Riddell tells me that when he got core dev privs, he was told to try to stick to packages that start with K [20:30] and see also cjwatson mail to the dmb mailing list about being us to "conservative" [20:30] subject? [20:30] maco: luckily the the kernel starts with "l" :) [20:30] * bdrung was interrupted by an phone call. [20:31] well, there are guidelines on teh wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#Ubuntu%20Core%20Developers [20:31] cody-somerville: don't remember and don't have access to my mailbox right now, but it was short after the last meeting (Dec 20th) [20:31] micahg, indeed [20:32] micahg: yes, but those guidelines aren't terribly specific [20:32] barry will be core dev someday and he will most likely continue to have a narrow focus on python stuff [20:32] given my job description, yes ;) [20:33]