[00:42] <MutantTurkey> netsplits :/
[00:49] <rmg51> got to love those netsplits :-D
[00:56] <MutantTurkey> :p
[02:47] <ChinnoDog> anyone know how I might be able to start a remote X session and launch only gnome-panel without the desktop? I am connecting using NX from Windows.
[02:49] <ChinnoDog> ooh. If I run /usr/bin/gnome-panel it will launch but then some of the applets crash
[03:11] <jthan> ChinnoDog: I feel like jedijf would be best to answer that.
[03:11] <jthan> Why do you want to launch gnome-panel remotely?
[03:12] <jthan> I only said about jedijf because everytime I had a remote session question, or talked about x forwarding, he knew the answer.
[03:12] <ChinnoDog> The visual styling isn't working either. I also tried running /usr/bin/xinit but I get the same thing. No visual styling is applied to gnome-panel though.
[03:18] <ChinnoDog> If I run /etc/X11/Xsession I get gnome-panel with visual styling but also get the desktop and a bazillion little title bars without any windows attached to them.
[03:51] <ChinnoDog> I can't figure it out
[03:51]  * ChinnoDog headdesk
[03:53] <ChinnoDog> What provides the visual styling? The window manager? I don't know how that gets launched.
[04:04] <jthan> ChinnoDog: umm..
[04:04] <jthan> metacity-replace :-P
[04:04]  * jthan doesn't think you can run that one remotely
[04:48] <ChinnoDog> I think gnome-session might be the key
[05:10] <ChinnoDog> it IS gnome-session
[05:10] <ChinnoDog> if I pstree I can see it
[14:57] <jedijf> jthan: you don't have to qualify recommending me......or do you? :P
[15:00] <andrew> Do we really need Boxbe invites via the list?
[15:01] <jedijf> seriously
[15:01] <jedijf> central pa folk iirc
[15:02] <andrew> honestly, once is one thing, but twice?
[15:16] <mikedep333> anybody have a recommendation for a screen recorder for windows? I'm preparing tutorial videos for the museum I volunteer for. Right now I'm using camstudio, but it's rough around the edges. At least it can create flash animations (which save tons of space compared to video files.)
[15:17] <mikedep333> also, windows 7 has psr.exe
[15:17] <mikedep333> which is nice
[15:17] <mikedep333> http://camstudio.org/
[15:17] <JonathanD> I typically have used camstudio :)
[15:17] <mikedep333> http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090111/windows-7-problem-steps-recorder-miracle-tool/
[15:18] <mikedep333> JonathanD, yeah
[15:18] <mikedep333> I'm using the oct2010 beta version
[15:18] <JonathanD> and then go back and reduce the file using other tools
[15:18] <mikedep333> by default, it does 300FPS for the videos
[15:18] <mikedep333> which made them huge
[15:18] <mikedep333> I set it down to 15
[15:18] <mikedep333> it has an flash animation convertor
[15:18] <JonathanD> I prefer the huge files, lets me tinker without re-recording
[15:18] <mikedep333> yeah
[15:19] <mikedep333> so amazon.com makes you use their MP3 downloader to download the MP3's you purchase from them (at least for albums, maybe not for individual songs)
[15:19] <mikedep333> at least they have a linux version
[15:20] <mikedep333> I presume that there isn't any DRM on the MP3's once downloaded (I think DRM isn't even possible with MP3's)
[15:21] <mikedep333> JonathanD, do you have a recommmendation for an IRC client for windows?
[15:21] <mikedep333> right now I'm using an xchat build called ychat
[15:21] <JonathanD> irssi running somewhere else ;)
[15:21] <mikedep333> it seems to work best out of those I've tried
[15:21] <mikedep333> lol
[15:21] <mikedep333> I generally prefer to avoid CLI apps for things like IRC
[15:21] <JonathanD> I have too many windows for a gui client.
[15:22] <mikedep333> yeah
[15:22] <JonathanD> one of these days I'll try to make one myself that works a bit differently.
[15:22] <JonathanD> xchat is probably the most usable gui client.
[15:23] <JonathanD> although MS comic chat is clearly a close second.
[15:24] <mikedep333> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ&feature=player_embedded
[15:24] <mikedep333> wow
[15:24] <mikedep333> irssi.org has that on its frontpage
[15:25] <mikedep333> this is going to my youtube list
[15:25] <mikedep333> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=21BA3922659341DA
[15:25] <mikedep333> "Silly Portrayals of Hacking"
[15:28] <JonathanD> hah
[15:28] <JonathanD> I'm on a boat!
[15:30] <mikedep333> gonna update the software on my Dad's GPS
[15:30] <mikedep333> from windows of course, It's a Garmin
[15:30] <mikedep333> it's probably worth no more than $50 now, but to update the maps (not just the software) costs like $100
[16:47] <andrew> jthan: So, what did you get at The Clymb?
[16:48] <andrew> If anyone else is interested in The Clymb, have an invite: http://www.theclymb.com/invite-from/AndrewKeyes
[17:19] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[18:48] <rhpot1991> mikedep333: you can normally get lifetime update cards for cheaper on amazon
[18:48] <rhpot1991> I got one for 50 or so
[19:34] <ChinnoDog> hello BeckySanderlin`x
[22:16] <ChinnoDog> Anyone here use DigiKam to organize their photos?
[22:32] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[22:33] <ChinnoDog> ...
[22:34] <SamuraiAlba> Wassup, ChinnoDog?
[22:35] <ChinnoDog> Trying to figure out if there is a safe way to add a ppa with latest version of DigiKam but not allow installation of any of the other packages in the PPA
[22:35] <SamuraiAlba> Not sure.
[22:35] <andrew> just down the deb from the ppa?
[22:35] <SamuraiAlba> I havent received updates for ubuntu in 2 weeks.  Were there any?
[22:36] <andrew> philly parking authority?
[22:36] <ChinnoDog> andrew: but a) what about dependencies and b) then I won't get updates
[22:36] <andrew> ChinnoDog: true
[22:36] <ChinnoDog> I want to block all packages except the one I want
[22:36] <andrew> dependencies should be easy, but updates will be a pain
[22:36] <andrew> dunno, haven't had that problem yet
[22:36] <andrew> i'd google, but I need to head home
[22:36] <SamuraiAlba> I want the n900 *sniffle*
[22:37] <andrew> ChinnoDog: #3 makes me think you aren't alone in that desire: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/19915/
[22:39] <ChinnoDog> So, that probably means I can't do it...
[22:39] <ChinnoDog> :-(
[22:43] <ChinnoDog> Newest in Maverick repos is 1.4, latest is 1.7
[22:44] <ChinnoDog> Apparently it appears in PPAs on a regular basis. It makes me wonder why official repos don't get updated.
[23:04] <ChinnoDog> I added repo, installed select packages, and then removed it
[23:10] <pleia2> official repos only get security and major bug fixes after release, not new versions of the package
[23:10] <pleia2> that's why PPAs exist :)
[23:11] <ChinnoDog> The official repo is 3 versions behind though
[23:11] <ChinnoDog> Oh. You mean that 10.10 will never have > 1.4 because that is what was available at release time
[23:12] <pleia2> 1.3 was current whem maverick froze
[23:12] <pleia2> yes
[23:12] <pleia2> but freeze time is long before release
[23:12] <pleia2> so it's what was current in august
[23:12] <pleia2> 1.4 didn't come out until august 28th, after freeze
[23:13] <pleia2> er, 25th
[23:13] <pleia2> freeze was early august
[23:13] <ChinnoDog> So if you want newer packages the best thing is to have an official ppa?
[23:13] <ChinnoDog> meaning official for the package, not Ubuntu official
[23:14] <pleia2> depends on the package, if you trust upstream to write good packages, sure
[23:14] <pleia2> it's not always a safe assumption though :)
[23:15] <ChinnoDog> k. got it.
[23:17] <jedijf> see why ya need a farm