| nuba | hey guy, someone should update the topic, 10.10 was released :) http://ubuntustudio.org/MaverickMeerkat | 00:14 |
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| nuba | oops, hey guys* | 00:14 |
| holstein | nuba: im fine with it saying 10.04 ;) | 00:15 |
| holstein | jussi01: you want to do that when you get a minute? | 00:15 |
| Nintet | is there a compressor plugin for audio players? | 03:21 |
| Nintet | totem or vlc? | 03:21 |
| holstein | hmmm | 03:21 |
| holstein | there are plenty | 03:21 |
| holstein | you could use with JACK | 03:22 |
| Nintet | so i can set the threashold and gain? | 03:22 |
| Nintet | hmmm | 03:22 |
| holstein | if it comes down to that | 03:22 |
| Nintet | i dont have ubust | 03:22 |
| Nintet | i would have to install jack | 03:22 |
| holstein | let me look around for something in VLC | 03:22 |
| Nintet | and i found it hard to use | 03:22 |
| Nintet | http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=79240&p=262276&hilit=limiter#p262276 | 03:22 |
| Nintet | version 1.2 | 03:22 |
| Nintet | they are using v1.14 | 03:22 |
| holstein | Nintet: what is the purpose? | 03:23 |
| holstein | is JACK too much to take on? | 03:23 |
| Nintet | the problem is that radio stations use the Pirate format | 03:23 |
| Nintet | a certain station | 03:23 |
| Nintet | which means... people playing vinyls | 03:23 |
| Nintet | and screaming into headphones | 03:23 |
| Nintet | through shidd mixers | 03:23 |
| Nintet | which is good for the clubs/cars | 03:24 |
| holstein | http://jamin.sourceforge.net/en/about.html | 03:24 |
| Nintet | but bad for my neighbors | 03:24 |
| holstein | this is really nice for mastering | 03:24 |
| Nintet | yeah, again | 03:25 |
| Nintet | i dont ave the realtime kernel installed | 03:25 |
| Nintet | what i do with linux is limited to non-realtime trackers | 03:25 |
| Nintet | little sample trackers so... i dont need realtime | 03:25 |
| holstein | you shouldnt need to push it so hard | 03:25 |
| holstein | that you would need it | 03:25 |
| holstein | BUT | 03:25 |
| holstein | we should be able to find a VLC solution... | 03:25 |
| Nintet | i mean, i would like to take anything over -6db and smash it | 03:26 |
| Nintet | and set the threshold to -40 or something | 03:26 |
| Nintet | not noticeable but gets out the big pops and explosions | 03:27 |
| holstein | normalize doesnt work for you? | 03:27 |
| holstein | in VLC | 03:27 |
| Nintet | i like postfish for mastering btw | 03:27 |
| Nintet | that has settings? | 03:27 |
| holstein | i cant imagine anthing 'pro' that you'll just be able to set and forget | 03:27 |
| Nintet | i dont even have vlc installed... i have only used totem | 03:28 |
| holstein | Nintet: give VLC a look | 03:28 |
| holstein | there are some handy things built in | 03:28 |
| ailo | Nintet: You might want to consider using vlc with qjackctl which can be used to remember connections. This way you can start everything up with a simple script. | 03:29 |
| Nintet | but dont i need a realtime kernel? | 03:29 |
| Nintet | i am not using ubustu | 03:29 |
| ailo | No need for rt | 03:29 |
| ailo | Just make sure the frames/period is 1024 or above. | 03:30 |
| Nintet | aaah | 03:30 |
| ailo | No need for low latency, right? | 03:30 |
| Nintet | riht | 03:30 |
| Nintet | or MIDI | 03:30 |
| ailo | For example vlc -> jamin -> audio out | 03:32 |
| Nintet | yeah | 03:32 |
| Nintet | dont think i need that much tho | 03:33 |
| Nintet | just a simple limiter/compressor | 03:33 |
| Nintet | jamin looks nice tho | 03:33 |
| Nintet | ever seen postfish? | 03:33 |
| Nintet | its a stand alone | 03:33 |
| Nintet | has an "antiverb" | 03:34 |
| Nintet | very useful for audio that has too much reverb and you cant get it back | 03:34 |
| Nintet | like old recordings of live stuff... | 03:34 |
| Nintet | de-verb | 03:34 |
| Nintet | my favorite effect | 03:34 |
| Nintet | i use Buzz mainly | 03:35 |
| Nintet | in wine | 03:35 |
| ailo | I am a pure data man myself. If I do some processing with say Audacity, I just try to do as little as possible. Never tried postfish. Sounds interesting. | 03:37 |
| Nintet | you might like it | 03:38 |
| Nintet | audacity i use for mastering | 03:38 |
| Nintet | their "mastering" plugin is quite leet | 03:38 |
| Nintet | it is really really good | 03:38 |
| Nintet | but postfish is really interesting because of the de-verb and the compressors are friendly | 03:38 |
| Nintet | postfish is a real hard thing to set up tho | 03:39 |
| Nintet | and it uses the command line so you have to be careful | 03:39 |
| Nintet | i have the source somewhere and everytime i install ubuntu it is a real fight to get it back up | 03:39 |
| Nintet | but i need it because so many peope record their vocals like garbage | 03:40 |
| Nintet | in a staircase for example | 03:40 |
| ailo | Postfish seems unmaintained for a few years.. | 03:41 |
| Nintet | yeah | 03:42 |
| Nintet | not many apps with a de-verb tho | 03:42 |
| Nintet | i gotta go back to macos 9 | 03:42 |
| Nintet | to find one | 03:43 |
| Nintet | deverbs are the most important effect to people who mix through the mail | 03:43 |
| Nintet | cause people dont know how to record... they think they do lol! | 03:43 |
| ailo | Well, just checked it out and put it in the vault. | 03:49 |
| ailo | http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/postfish/ | 03:49 |
| ailo | Anyone tried lash? Maybe that could be an option for Nintet as well? | 03:52 |
| Nintet | when i open vlc they have ... tools => plugins and extensions | 03:55 |
| Nintet | what do i have to do to get the limiter to come up? | 03:55 |
| holstein | i see some under tools | 03:58 |
| holstein | preferences | 03:58 |
| holstein | under audio | 03:58 |
| Nintet | yeah just said limit output to... | 04:19 |
| Nintet | thats not really a compressor | 04:19 |
| Nintet | -=/ | 04:19 |
| Nintet | i bet it does have some look-ahead tho | 04:20 |
| Nintet | yeah the vlc options have the setting.. | 04:50 |
| Nintet | in db i guess | 04:50 |
| Nintet | but you have to restart it | 04:50 |
| Nintet | and it is affecting the sound post | 04:50 |
| holstein | i havent really used it | 04:50 |
| Nintet | past the volume slider | 04:50 |
| Nintet | yeah... not really that great | 04:51 |
| holstein | not great for 'on the fly' i suppose | 04:51 |
| Nintet | you know what tho... | 04:51 |
| Nintet | sounds good under 100% | 04:51 |
| Nintet | better than what i had... which was a hardware unit in my patch bay ;( | 04:52 |
| holstein | Nintet: you use pulse? | 04:52 |
| Nintet | the audio stack? | 04:53 |
| Nintet | no | 04:53 |
| holstein | hmmm | 04:53 |
| holstein | http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmms-mbc/ | 04:54 |
| Nintet | i need to get down on some new linux tec | 04:54 |
| holstein | not sure about that description though | 04:54 |
| Nintet | i dont see any files | 04:55 |
| holstein | HEY | 04:56 |
| holstein | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replay_Gain | 04:56 |
| holstein | that sounds promising | 04:56 |
| Nintet | yeah but that is for recorded files... | 04:58 |
| Nintet | not for live streams | 04:58 |
| Nintet | this normalize plugin for vlc is crackin up on me | 04:58 |
| Nintet | i thought it was in db but it is not | 04:59 |
| holstein | Nintet: replay gain? | 04:59 |
| holstein | looks like a plugin | 04:59 |
| Nintet | yeah i just enabled it for rythmbox | 05:01 |
| Nintet | and then it dies on trying to open the stream | 05:01 |
| Nintet | -=( | 05:01 |
| Nintet | looks like it is for VLC | 05:02 |
| holstein | hmmm | 05:03 |
| holstein | well, its supported on a ton of players | 05:03 |
| holstein | surely one of them will do it | 05:03 |
| holstein | sounds like thats the action you're looking for | 05:04 |
| Nintet | yeah i was thinking of just a normal compressor... what i am used to | 05:04 |
| holstein | it'll be challenging | 05:05 |
| holstein | you're looking for a pro-tool | 05:05 |
| holstein | for a consumer level task | 05:05 |
| holstein | even if you find one | 05:05 |
| holstein | it probably wont be called 'compressor' | 05:05 |
| Nintet | it will suck ;) | 05:06 |
| holstein | probably be 'handy-volume-tool' | 05:06 |
| holstein | or, replay_gain ;) | 05:06 |
| Nintet | lol | 05:06 |
| holstein | not that anyone knows what gain means either | 05:06 |
| holstein | if you get JACK running, your options open up quite a bit | 05:06 |
| holstein | you can have whatever compressor you want in theory | 05:07 |
| Nintet | is there a VST wrapper? | 05:07 |
| holstein | depends on the VST | 05:07 |
| holstein | you wont need it though | 05:07 |
| holstein | if your looking to use a windows VST | 05:07 |
| holstein | you'll probably find a replacement you're comfortable with | 05:07 |
| holstein | Nintet: HEY | 05:08 |
| holstein | let me send you somewhere | 05:08 |
| holstein | #opensourcemsuicians | 05:08 |
| holstein | IF anyone is around | 05:08 |
| holstein | they might know more about comp plugs for alsa | 05:08 |
| Nintet | nope | 05:08 |
| holstein | no what? | 05:08 |
| Nintet | no people arround | 05:08 |
| holstein | OH | 05:08 |
| Nintet | but thanks for the chan info | 05:08 |
| holstein | #opensourcemusicians ... | 05:08 |
| Nintet | might be useful | 05:08 |
| holstein | i typed it wrong* | 05:09 |
| Nintet | hmm | 05:10 |
| Nintet | actually... the replay_gain isn't doin such a bad job... just had a big record scratch | 05:11 |
| holstein | Nintet: :) | 05:12 |
| holstein | im impressed with how many things its supports | 05:12 |
| holstein | how many players* | 05:12 |
| holstein | Nintet: you got it in VLC right now? | 05:13 |
| Nintet | nah, i have it in rythmbox | 05:13 |
| Nintet | which is a shit app i thnk | 05:13 |
| Nintet | so i cant really tell... | 05:14 |
| holstein | im not crazy about it | 05:14 |
| holstein | i usually just use VLC | 05:14 |
| Nintet | but yea... compared to just stock totem with no plugin... sounds like it is doing something | 05:14 |
| holstein | cool | 05:14 |
| holstein | good to know | 05:14 |
| Nintet | have to get on here later... | 05:15 |
| Nintet | mabee someone can tell me where i can get some demo code and make some plugins or something | 05:16 |
| Nintet | time for sleep on the EST | 05:16 |
| Nintet | thanks! | 05:16 |
| Nintet | nite | 05:16 |
| holstein | GN | 05:16 |
| tanders12 | ailo/holstein: you guys around? | 06:25 |
| ailo | tanders12: how is it going? | 06:25 |
| tanders12 | good man. i been kickin butt | 06:26 |
| tanders12 | :) | 06:26 |
| ailo | Did you get jack and ffado built? | 06:26 |
| tanders12 | got ffado, jack1, and jack2/jackdmp all to compile and run | 06:26 |
| tanders12 | ffado-mixer is workin great | 06:26 |
| ailo | No problems at all? | 06:27 |
| tanders12 | well... | 06:27 |
| tanders12 | :D | 06:27 |
| ailo | So what did you do to get jack working? | 06:28 |
| tanders12 | only problem is synaptic thinks they are all uninstalled, since I removed them first. So if i try to install ardour it want to install libffado, etc. So next step is to uninstall the ones I built, then reinstall from syaptic, then rebuild and overwrite and get it working that way | 06:28 |
| ailo | I see | 06:28 |
| tanders12 | the problem was ffado | 06:29 |
| ailo | One solution is to make your own packages and create a repo on your system. | 06:29 |
| tanders12 | it thought i was missing some deps but I wasn't, so it didn't compile with the proper options | 06:29 |
| tanders12 | then Arnold on the ffado mailing list recommended this: | 06:30 |
| tanders12 | Install the package "libdbus-c++-dev" and its dependencies, run "rm .scons* | 06:30 |
| tanders12 | cache/objects -Rf" and then try again. | 06:30 |
| tanders12 | The alsa lib is not so important afair. | 06:30 |
| tanders12 | worked great | 06:30 |
| ailo | Ok. Scons.. :) | 06:30 |
| tanders12 | you were right about ./waf | 06:30 |
| tanders12 | that's what you use for jack2 | 06:30 |
| ailo | ok | 06:30 |
| tanders12 | jack1 uses autogen.sh | 06:31 |
| ailo | That's the only one I built myself | 06:31 |
| ailo | Sorry for the confusion, then. | 06:31 |
| tanders12 | supposedly they both interface the same | 06:31 |
| tanders12 | jack2 isn't really a replacement per se, but an alternative. however, I wanted the multicore support so i went with it | 06:32 |
| tanders12 | i really like the waf system | 06:32 |
| tanders12 | makes it very clear what you are building and how to change it | 06:32 |
| tanders12 | honestly man this has been a lot of fun but way more of a pain than it should have been. Both the FFADO and JACK documentation is horrible. | 06:33 |
| tanders12 | I'm seriously thinking about adding some stuff to the wikis, I'm just afraid of putting in false info | 06:33 |
| tanders12 | I know what works for me but I don't have a lot of "in depth" knowledge | 06:34 |
| ailo | Maybe jack could use some additions on their site, about building? | 06:35 |
| ailo | But, what did you think about specifically? How to set up ffado with micer on Maverick? | 06:36 |
| ailo | mixer.. | 06:36 |
| tanders12 | yeah | 06:37 |
| tanders12 | like "getting FFADO and JACK working 101" | 06:37 |
| tanders12 | i mean they don't even explain the difference between jack1 and jack2 on their site | 06:38 |
| tanders12 | most of the good info is in the README | 06:38 |
| ailo | I think the README is enough for building, but not for how to set it up for a particular system. | 06:39 |
| tanders12 | you've never used firewire audio right? | 06:39 |
| ailo | Nope | 06:39 |
| ailo | Don't have a device | 06:39 |
| tanders12 | ah so you've never seen ffado-mixer. It's very bland compared to the flashy manufacturer mixers for windows/max. I'm toying with the idea of making a new interface as well | 06:40 |
| tanders12 | I was thinking about why Maverick and Lucid take different things to get the permissions right, and I think it has something to do with Juju | 06:41 |
| ailo | Must be | 06:42 |
| tanders12 | that's a perfect example though. I could edit the wiki and recommend ppl to add that file to /lib/udev/rules.d like I did, but maybe there's another way that is more correct. IDK, it just works for me | 06:43 |
| ailo | I think your way is probably the safest way to go, since the rules are for specific devices. This way they don't affect other devices at all. | 06:43 |
| tanders12 | yeah | 06:44 |
| tanders12 | and honestly the wiki is so bad already i don't think anyone will care if it's a little off | 06:45 |
| tanders12 | if it works, it works | 06:45 |
| tanders12 | btw my command line kung fu is improving rapidly :D | 06:45 |
| tanders12 | brb | 06:45 |
| tanders121 | back | 06:46 |
| tanders121 | switched clients | 06:47 |
| tanders121 | ive never really used irc or mailing lists before the last few days | 06:47 |
| ailo | tanders121: I'm kind of new to it too. | 06:47 |
| ailo | I'm sure your setup can be used as reference in the wiki. But about building stuff from source, there is the propblem with dependencies, as you mentioned. | 06:48 |
| tanders121 | yeah readme is best for that | 06:49 |
| tanders121 | i could include general info though | 06:49 |
| tanders121 | and explain a little more about WHAT is happening, not just what to type in | 06:50 |
| ailo | No, that too, sorry. But I mean, not being able to install stuff later, because of package dependencies. | 06:50 |
| tanders121 | oh right | 06:50 |
| tanders121 | well ill figure that out soon enough | 06:50 |
| ailo | It is possible to force install a package from the .deb file. | 06:51 |
| ailo | You can find ardour, for instance on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and download it. | 06:52 |
| tanders121 | hm good idea. I just don't want to concede defeat to synaptic :P | 06:53 |
| tanders121 | but if i cant make it work ill prolly just build ardour from source as well. I think there are slight performance advantages to it | 06:53 |
| ailo | I've only touched on the repo problem, but it is definitely possible to adjust that. | 06:53 |
| ailo | And, you can create your own. I'm going to eventually for some custom packages. | 06:55 |
| tanders121 | ah yes I thought of doing that too | 06:56 |
| tanders121 | but i only have 32bit systems atm | 06:56 |
| tanders121 | can you build for 64bit on 32? | 06:57 |
| ailo | Don't know. | 06:57 |
| ailo | tanders121: Ever tried Linux From Scratch? | 07:04 |
| tanders121 | Well here goes. I'm about to break a perfectly good system on purpose... | 07:04 |
| tanders121 | ailo: nope but I want too :D | 07:05 |
| tanders121 | Arch first, then maybe LFS some day | 07:05 |
| ailo | LFS is not so hard, at least for the base system. It's educational, though. | 07:06 |
| ailo | There is BLFS, which deals with Desktops, and that gets a little trickier. | 07:06 |
| tanders121 | i think arch is a nice middlepoint. still very basic but they have a bunch of packages. I wouldn't want to have to install EVERYTHING from source | 07:10 |
| tanders121 | brb | 07:15 |
| tanders12 | yep, i broke it... | 07:18 |
| tanders12 | well in gonna try and reboot before i give up on it for tonight | 07:23 |
| tanders12 | gotta love rebooting | 07:32 |
| tanders12 | everything works :) | 07:32 |
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| ScabbyMadman | is there a complete package list somewhere of ubuntustudio? | 16:16 |
| ScottL | hold on ScabbyMadman | 16:18 |
| ScabbyMadman | thanks | 16:18 |
| ScottL | ScabbyMadman, this is the build log with ALL the packages: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntustudio/natty/daily-20110103.log | 16:18 |
| ScottL | or | 16:18 |
| ScottL | here is the multimedia list of packages: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Applications | 16:19 |
| ScabbyMadman | Thanks ScottL ..I have UbuntuStudio 7.04( I think) on another HD....using an old AthlonXP 2600...a little old non? | 16:20 |
| ScabbyMadman | that ver worked pretty ok | 16:20 |
| ScottL | ScabbyMadman, oh yes, 7.04 is quite old...10.04 (the latest LTS version) is quite a bit better than 7.04 | 16:21 |
| ScabbyMadman | great | 16:21 |
| ScabbyMadman | I was mightily impressed with 7.04s dvd authoring tools to say the least | 16:22 |
| ScottL | mind you, 10.10 is also released but it is not an LTS version | 16:26 |
| ScabbyMadman | aye | 16:26 |
| ScabbyMadman | the .10 vers tend to be somewhat bleeding edge, non? | 16:26 |
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