[00:14] hey guy, someone should update the topic, 10.10 was released :) http://ubuntustudio.org/MaverickMeerkat [00:14] oops, hey guys* [00:15] nuba: im fine with it saying 10.04 ;) [00:15] jussi01: you want to do that when you get a minute? [03:21] is there a compressor plugin for audio players? [03:21] totem or vlc? [03:21] hmmm [03:21] there are plenty [03:22] you could use with JACK [03:22] so i can set the threashold and gain? [03:22] hmmm [03:22] if it comes down to that [03:22] i dont have ubust [03:22] i would have to install jack [03:22] let me look around for something in VLC [03:22] and i found it hard to use [03:22] http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=79240&p=262276&hilit=limiter#p262276 [03:22] version 1.2 [03:22] they are using v1.14 [03:23] Nintet: what is the purpose? [03:23] is JACK too much to take on? [03:23] the problem is that radio stations use the Pirate format [03:23] a certain station [03:23] which means... people playing vinyls [03:23] and screaming into headphones [03:23] through shidd mixers [03:24] which is good for the clubs/cars [03:24] http://jamin.sourceforge.net/en/about.html [03:24] but bad for my neighbors [03:24] this is really nice for mastering [03:25] yeah, again [03:25] i dont ave the realtime kernel installed [03:25] what i do with linux is limited to non-realtime trackers [03:25] little sample trackers so... i dont need realtime [03:25] you shouldnt need to push it so hard [03:25] that you would need it [03:25] BUT [03:25] we should be able to find a VLC solution... [03:26] i mean, i would like to take anything over -6db and smash it [03:26] and set the threshold to -40 or something [03:27] not noticeable but gets out the big pops and explosions [03:27] normalize doesnt work for you? [03:27] in VLC [03:27] i like postfish for mastering btw [03:27] that has settings? [03:27] i cant imagine anthing 'pro' that you'll just be able to set and forget [03:28] i dont even have vlc installed... i have only used totem [03:28] Nintet: give VLC a look [03:28] there are some handy things built in [03:29] Nintet: You might want to consider using vlc with qjackctl which can be used to remember connections. This way you can start everything up with a simple script. [03:29] but dont i need a realtime kernel? [03:29] i am not using ubustu [03:29] No need for rt [03:30] Just make sure the frames/period is 1024 or above. [03:30] aaah [03:30] No need for low latency, right? [03:30] riht [03:30] or MIDI [03:32] For example vlc -> jamin -> audio out [03:32] yeah [03:33] dont think i need that much tho [03:33] just a simple limiter/compressor [03:33] jamin looks nice tho [03:33] ever seen postfish? [03:33] its a stand alone [03:34] has an "antiverb" [03:34] very useful for audio that has too much reverb and you cant get it back [03:34] like old recordings of live stuff... [03:34] de-verb [03:34] my favorite effect [03:35] i use Buzz mainly [03:35] in wine [03:37] I am a pure data man myself. If I do some processing with say Audacity, I just try to do as little as possible. Never tried postfish. Sounds interesting. [03:38] you might like it [03:38] audacity i use for mastering [03:38] their "mastering" plugin is quite leet [03:38] it is really really good [03:38] but postfish is really interesting because of the de-verb and the compressors are friendly [03:39] postfish is a real hard thing to set up tho [03:39] and it uses the command line so you have to be careful [03:39] i have the source somewhere and everytime i install ubuntu it is a real fight to get it back up [03:40] but i need it because so many peope record their vocals like garbage [03:40] in a staircase for example [03:41] Postfish seems unmaintained for a few years.. [03:42] yeah [03:42] not many apps with a de-verb tho [03:42] i gotta go back to macos 9 [03:43] to find one [03:43] deverbs are the most important effect to people who mix through the mail [03:43] cause people dont know how to record... they think they do lol! [03:49] Well, just checked it out and put it in the vault. [03:49] http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/postfish/ [03:52] Anyone tried lash? Maybe that could be an option for Nintet as well? [03:55] when i open vlc they have ... tools => plugins and extensions [03:55] what do i have to do to get the limiter to come up? [03:58] i see some under tools [03:58] preferences [03:58] under audio [04:19] yeah just said limit output to... [04:19] thats not really a compressor [04:19] -=/ [04:20] i bet it does have some look-ahead tho [04:50] yeah the vlc options have the setting.. [04:50] in db i guess [04:50] but you have to restart it [04:50] and it is affecting the sound post [04:50] i havent really used it [04:50] past the volume slider [04:51] yeah... not really that great [04:51] not great for 'on the fly' i suppose [04:51] you know what tho... [04:51] sounds good under 100% [04:52] better than what i had... which was a hardware unit in my patch bay ;( [04:52] Nintet: you use pulse? [04:53] the audio stack? [04:53] no [04:53] hmmm [04:54] http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmms-mbc/ [04:54] i need to get down on some new linux tec [04:54] not sure about that description though [04:55] i dont see any files [04:56] HEY [04:56] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replay_Gain [04:56] that sounds promising [04:58] yeah but that is for recorded files... [04:58] not for live streams [04:58] this normalize plugin for vlc is crackin up on me [04:59] i thought it was in db but it is not [04:59] Nintet: replay gain? [04:59] looks like a plugin [05:01] yeah i just enabled it for rythmbox [05:01] and then it dies on trying to open the stream [05:01] -=( [05:02] looks like it is for VLC [05:03] hmmm [05:03] well, its supported on a ton of players [05:03] surely one of them will do it [05:04] sounds like thats the action you're looking for [05:04] yeah i was thinking of just a normal compressor... what i am used to [05:05] it'll be challenging [05:05] you're looking for a pro-tool [05:05] for a consumer level task [05:05] even if you find one [05:05] it probably wont be called 'compressor' [05:06] it will suck ;) [05:06] probably be 'handy-volume-tool' [05:06] or, replay_gain ;) [05:06] lol [05:06] not that anyone knows what gain means either [05:06] if you get JACK running, your options open up quite a bit [05:07] you can have whatever compressor you want in theory [05:07] is there a VST wrapper? [05:07] depends on the VST [05:07] you wont need it though [05:07] if your looking to use a windows VST [05:07] you'll probably find a replacement you're comfortable with [05:08] Nintet: HEY [05:08] let me send you somewhere [05:08] #opensourcemsuicians [05:08] IF anyone is around [05:08] they might know more about comp plugs for alsa [05:08] nope [05:08] no what? [05:08] no people arround [05:08] OH [05:08] but thanks for the chan info [05:08] #opensourcemusicians ... [05:08] might be useful [05:09] i typed it wrong* [05:10] hmm [05:11] actually... the replay_gain isn't doin such a bad job... just had a big record scratch [05:12] Nintet: :) [05:12] im impressed with how many things its supports [05:12] how many players* [05:13] Nintet: you got it in VLC right now? [05:13] nah, i have it in rythmbox [05:13] which is a shit app i thnk [05:14] so i cant really tell... [05:14] im not crazy about it [05:14] i usually just use VLC [05:14] but yea... compared to just stock totem with no plugin... sounds like it is doing something [05:14] cool [05:14] good to know [05:15] have to get on here later... [05:16] mabee someone can tell me where i can get some demo code and make some plugins or something [05:16] time for sleep on the EST [05:16] thanks! [05:16] nite [05:16] GN [06:25] ailo/holstein: you guys around? [06:25] tanders12: how is it going? [06:26] good man. i been kickin butt [06:26] :) [06:26] Did you get jack and ffado built? [06:26] got ffado, jack1, and jack2/jackdmp all to compile and run [06:26] ffado-mixer is workin great [06:27] No problems at all? [06:27] well... [06:27] :D [06:28] So what did you do to get jack working? [06:28] only problem is synaptic thinks they are all uninstalled, since I removed them first. So if i try to install ardour it want to install libffado, etc. So next step is to uninstall the ones I built, then reinstall from syaptic, then rebuild and overwrite and get it working that way [06:28] I see [06:29] the problem was ffado [06:29] One solution is to make your own packages and create a repo on your system. [06:29] it thought i was missing some deps but I wasn't, so it didn't compile with the proper options [06:30] then Arnold on the ffado mailing list recommended this: [06:30] Install the package "libdbus-c++-dev" and its dependencies, run "rm .scons* [06:30] cache/objects -Rf" and then try again. [06:30] The alsa lib is not so important afair. [06:30] worked great [06:30] Ok. Scons.. :) [06:30] you were right about ./waf [06:30] that's what you use for jack2 [06:30] ok [06:31] jack1 uses autogen.sh [06:31] That's the only one I built myself [06:31] Sorry for the confusion, then. [06:31] supposedly they both interface the same [06:32] jack2 isn't really a replacement per se, but an alternative. however, I wanted the multicore support so i went with it [06:32] i really like the waf system [06:32] makes it very clear what you are building and how to change it [06:33] honestly man this has been a lot of fun but way more of a pain than it should have been. Both the FFADO and JACK documentation is horrible. [06:33] I'm seriously thinking about adding some stuff to the wikis, I'm just afraid of putting in false info [06:34] I know what works for me but I don't have a lot of "in depth" knowledge [06:35] Maybe jack could use some additions on their site, about building? [06:36] But, what did you think about specifically? How to set up ffado with micer on Maverick? [06:36] mixer.. [06:37] yeah [06:37] like "getting FFADO and JACK working 101" [06:38] i mean they don't even explain the difference between jack1 and jack2 on their site [06:38] most of the good info is in the README [06:39] I think the README is enough for building, but not for how to set it up for a particular system. [06:39] you've never used firewire audio right? [06:39] Nope [06:39] Don't have a device [06:40] ah so you've never seen ffado-mixer. It's very bland compared to the flashy manufacturer mixers for windows/max. I'm toying with the idea of making a new interface as well [06:41] I was thinking about why Maverick and Lucid take different things to get the permissions right, and I think it has something to do with Juju [06:42] Must be [06:43] that's a perfect example though. I could edit the wiki and recommend ppl to add that file to /lib/udev/rules.d like I did, but maybe there's another way that is more correct. IDK, it just works for me [06:43] I think your way is probably the safest way to go, since the rules are for specific devices. This way they don't affect other devices at all. [06:44] yeah [06:45] and honestly the wiki is so bad already i don't think anyone will care if it's a little off [06:45] if it works, it works [06:45] btw my command line kung fu is improving rapidly :D [06:45] brb [06:46] back [06:47] switched clients [06:47] ive never really used irc or mailing lists before the last few days [06:47] tanders121: I'm kind of new to it too. [06:48] I'm sure your setup can be used as reference in the wiki. But about building stuff from source, there is the propblem with dependencies, as you mentioned. [06:49] yeah readme is best for that [06:49] i could include general info though [06:50] and explain a little more about WHAT is happening, not just what to type in [06:50] No, that too, sorry. But I mean, not being able to install stuff later, because of package dependencies. [06:50] oh right [06:50] well ill figure that out soon enough [06:51] It is possible to force install a package from the .deb file. [06:52] You can find ardour, for instance on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and download it. [06:53] hm good idea. I just don't want to concede defeat to synaptic :P [06:53] but if i cant make it work ill prolly just build ardour from source as well. I think there are slight performance advantages to it [06:53] I've only touched on the repo problem, but it is definitely possible to adjust that. [06:55] And, you can create your own. I'm going to eventually for some custom packages. [06:56] ah yes I thought of doing that too [06:56] but i only have 32bit systems atm [06:57] can you build for 64bit on 32? [06:57] Don't know. [07:04] tanders121: Ever tried Linux From Scratch? [07:04] Well here goes. I'm about to break a perfectly good system on purpose... [07:05] ailo: nope but I want too :D [07:05] Arch first, then maybe LFS some day [07:06] LFS is not so hard, at least for the base system. It's educational, though. [07:06] There is BLFS, which deals with Desktops, and that gets a little trickier. [07:10] i think arch is a nice middlepoint. still very basic but they have a bunch of packages. I wouldn't want to have to install EVERYTHING from source [07:15] brb [07:18] yep, i broke it... [07:23] well in gonna try and reboot before i give up on it for tonight [07:32] gotta love rebooting [07:32] everything works :) === jussi changed the topic of #ubuntustudio to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Studio support channel - http://ubuntustudio.org | Please be patient, not everyone is watchin'. | Ubuntu Studio 10.10 Now released | This Channel is logged! | Support forum is provided by http://ubuntuforums.org | For general ubuntu help, try #ubuntu | Ubuntu Studio does not have a live cd. | General music making and studio chatter is allowed, but try not to wande [16:16] is there a complete package list somewhere of ubuntustudio? [16:18] hold on ScabbyMadman [16:18] thanks [16:18] ScabbyMadman, this is the build log with ALL the packages: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntustudio/natty/daily-20110103.log [16:18] or [16:19] here is the multimedia list of packages: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Applications [16:20] Thanks ScottL ..I have UbuntuStudio 7.04( I think) on another HD....using an old AthlonXP 2600...a little old non? [16:20] that ver worked pretty ok [16:21] ScabbyMadman, oh yes, 7.04 is quite old...10.04 (the latest LTS version) is quite a bit better than 7.04 [16:21] great [16:22] I was mightily impressed with 7.04s dvd authoring tools to say the least [16:26] mind you, 10.10 is also released but it is not an LTS version [16:26] aye [16:26] the .10 vers tend to be somewhat bleeding edge, non?