[00:14] <nuba> hey guy, someone should update the topic, 10.10 was released :) http://ubuntustudio.org/MaverickMeerkat
[00:14] <nuba> oops, hey guys*
[00:15] <holstein> nuba: im fine with it saying 10.04 ;)
[00:15] <holstein> jussi01: you want to do that when you get a minute?
[03:21] <Nintet> is there a compressor plugin for audio players?
[03:21] <Nintet> totem or vlc?
[03:21] <holstein> hmmm
[03:21] <holstein> there are plenty
[03:22] <holstein> you could use with JACK
[03:22] <Nintet> so i can set the threashold and gain?
[03:22] <Nintet> hmmm
[03:22] <holstein> if it comes down to that
[03:22] <Nintet> i dont have ubust
[03:22] <Nintet> i would have to install jack
[03:22] <holstein> let me look around for something in VLC
[03:22] <Nintet> and i found it hard to use
[03:22] <Nintet> http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=79240&p=262276&hilit=limiter#p262276
[03:22] <Nintet> version 1.2
[03:22] <Nintet> they are using v1.14
[03:23] <holstein> Nintet: what is the purpose?
[03:23] <holstein> is JACK too much to take on?
[03:23] <Nintet> the problem is that radio stations use the Pirate format
[03:23] <Nintet> a certain station
[03:23] <Nintet> which means... people playing vinyls
[03:23] <Nintet> and screaming into headphones
[03:23] <Nintet> through shidd mixers
[03:24] <Nintet> which is good for the clubs/cars
[03:24] <holstein> http://jamin.sourceforge.net/en/about.html
[03:24] <Nintet> but bad for my neighbors
[03:24] <holstein> this is really nice for mastering
[03:25] <Nintet> yeah, again
[03:25] <Nintet> i dont ave the realtime kernel installed
[03:25] <Nintet> what i do with linux is limited to non-realtime trackers
[03:25] <Nintet> little sample trackers so... i dont need realtime
[03:25] <holstein> you shouldnt need to push it so hard
[03:25] <holstein> that you would need it
[03:25] <holstein> BUT
[03:25] <holstein> we should be able to find a VLC solution...
[03:26] <Nintet> i mean, i would like to take anything over -6db and smash it
[03:26] <Nintet> and set the threshold to -40 or something
[03:27] <Nintet> not noticeable but gets out the big pops and explosions
[03:27] <holstein> normalize doesnt work for you?
[03:27] <holstein> in VLC
[03:27] <Nintet> i like postfish for mastering btw
[03:27] <Nintet> that has settings?
[03:27] <holstein> i cant imagine anthing 'pro' that you'll just be able to set and forget
[03:28] <Nintet> i dont even have vlc installed... i have only used totem
[03:28] <holstein> Nintet: give VLC a look
[03:28] <holstein> there are some handy things built in
[03:29] <ailo> Nintet: You might want to consider using vlc with qjackctl which can be used to remember connections. This way you can start everything up with a simple script.
[03:29] <Nintet> but dont i need a realtime kernel?
[03:29] <Nintet> i am not using ubustu
[03:29] <ailo> No need for rt
[03:30] <ailo> Just make sure the frames/period is 1024 or above.
[03:30] <Nintet> aaah
[03:30] <ailo> No need for low latency, right?
[03:30] <Nintet> riht
[03:30] <Nintet> or MIDI
[03:32] <ailo> For example vlc -> jamin -> audio out
[03:32] <Nintet> yeah
[03:33] <Nintet> dont think i need that much tho
[03:33] <Nintet> just a simple limiter/compressor
[03:33] <Nintet> jamin looks nice tho
[03:33] <Nintet> ever seen postfish?
[03:33] <Nintet> its a stand alone
[03:34] <Nintet> has an "antiverb"
[03:34] <Nintet> very useful for audio that has too much reverb and you cant get it back
[03:34] <Nintet> like old recordings of live stuff...
[03:34] <Nintet> de-verb
[03:34] <Nintet> my favorite effect
[03:35] <Nintet> i use Buzz mainly
[03:35] <Nintet> in wine
[03:37] <ailo> I am a pure data man myself. If I do some processing with say Audacity, I just try to do as little as possible. Never tried postfish. Sounds interesting.
[03:38] <Nintet> you might like it
[03:38] <Nintet> audacity i use for mastering
[03:38] <Nintet> their "mastering" plugin is quite leet
[03:38] <Nintet> it is really really good
[03:38] <Nintet> but postfish is really interesting because of the de-verb and the compressors are friendly
[03:39] <Nintet> postfish is a real hard thing to set up tho
[03:39] <Nintet> and it uses the command line so you have to be careful
[03:39] <Nintet> i have the source somewhere and everytime i install ubuntu it is a real fight to get it back up
[03:40] <Nintet> but i need it because so many peope record their vocals like garbage
[03:40] <Nintet> in a staircase for example
[03:41] <ailo> Postfish seems unmaintained for a few years..
[03:42] <Nintet> yeah
[03:42] <Nintet> not many apps with a de-verb tho
[03:42] <Nintet> i gotta go back to macos 9
[03:43] <Nintet> to find one
[03:43] <Nintet> deverbs are the most important effect to people who mix through the mail
[03:43] <Nintet> cause people dont know how to record... they think they do lol!
[03:49] <ailo> Well, just checked it out and put it in the vault.
[03:49] <ailo> http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/postfish/
[03:52] <ailo> Anyone tried lash? Maybe that could be an option for Nintet as well?
[03:55] <Nintet> when i open vlc they have ... tools => plugins and extensions
[03:55] <Nintet> what do i have to do to get the limiter to come up?
[03:58] <holstein> i see some under tools
[03:58] <holstein> preferences
[03:58] <holstein> under audio
[04:19] <Nintet> yeah just said limit output to...
[04:19] <Nintet> thats not really a compressor
[04:19] <Nintet> -=/
[04:20] <Nintet> i bet it does have some look-ahead tho
[04:50] <Nintet> yeah the vlc options have the setting..
[04:50] <Nintet> in db i guess
[04:50] <Nintet> but you have to restart it
[04:50] <Nintet> and it is affecting the sound post
[04:50] <holstein> i havent really used it
[04:50] <Nintet> past the volume slider
[04:51] <Nintet> yeah... not really that great
[04:51] <holstein> not great for 'on the fly' i suppose
[04:51] <Nintet> you know what tho...
[04:51] <Nintet> sounds good under 100%
[04:52] <Nintet> better than what i had... which was a hardware unit in my patch bay ;(
[04:52] <holstein> Nintet: you use pulse?
[04:53] <Nintet> the audio stack?
[04:53] <Nintet> no
[04:53] <holstein> hmmm
[04:54] <holstein> http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmms-mbc/
[04:54] <Nintet> i need to get down on some new linux tec
[04:54] <holstein> not sure about that description though
[04:55] <Nintet> i dont see any files
[04:56] <holstein> HEY
[04:56] <holstein> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replay_Gain
[04:56] <holstein> that sounds promising
[04:58] <Nintet> yeah but that is for recorded files...
[04:58] <Nintet> not for live streams
[04:58] <Nintet> this normalize plugin for vlc is crackin up on me
[04:59] <Nintet> i thought it was in db but it is not
[04:59] <holstein> Nintet: replay gain?
[04:59] <holstein> looks like a plugin
[05:01] <Nintet> yeah i just enabled it for rythmbox
[05:01] <Nintet> and then it dies on trying to open the stream
[05:01] <Nintet> -=(
[05:02] <Nintet> looks like it is for VLC
[05:03] <holstein> hmmm
[05:03] <holstein> well, its supported on a ton of players
[05:03] <holstein> surely one of them will do it
[05:04] <holstein> sounds like thats the action you're looking for
[05:04] <Nintet> yeah i was thinking of just a normal compressor... what i am used to
[05:05] <holstein> it'll be challenging
[05:05] <holstein> you're looking for a pro-tool
[05:05] <holstein> for a consumer level task
[05:05] <holstein> even if you find one
[05:05] <holstein> it probably wont be called 'compressor'
[05:06] <Nintet> it will suck ;)
[05:06] <holstein> probably be 'handy-volume-tool'
[05:06] <holstein> or, replay_gain ;)
[05:06] <Nintet> lol
[05:06] <holstein> not that anyone knows what gain means either
[05:06] <holstein> if you get JACK running, your options open up quite a bit
[05:07] <holstein> you can have whatever compressor you want in theory
[05:07] <Nintet> is there a VST wrapper?
[05:07] <holstein> depends on the VST
[05:07] <holstein> you wont need it though
[05:07] <holstein> if your looking to use a windows VST
[05:07] <holstein> you'll probably find a replacement you're comfortable with
[05:08] <holstein> Nintet: HEY
[05:08] <holstein> let me send you somewhere
[05:08] <holstein>  #opensourcemsuicians
[05:08] <holstein> IF anyone is around
[05:08] <holstein> they might know more about comp plugs for alsa
[05:08] <Nintet> nope
[05:08] <holstein> no what?
[05:08] <Nintet> no people arround
[05:08] <holstein> OH
[05:08] <Nintet> but thanks for the chan info
[05:08] <holstein> #opensourcemusicians ...
[05:08] <Nintet> might be useful
[05:09] <holstein> i typed it wrong*
[05:10] <Nintet> hmm
[05:11] <Nintet> actually... the replay_gain isn't doin such a bad job... just had a big record scratch
[05:12] <holstein> Nintet: :)
[05:12] <holstein> im impressed with how many things its supports
[05:12] <holstein> how many players*
[05:13] <holstein> Nintet: you got it in VLC right now?
[05:13] <Nintet> nah, i have it in rythmbox
[05:13] <Nintet> which is a shit app i thnk
[05:14] <Nintet> so i cant really tell...
[05:14] <holstein> im not crazy about it
[05:14] <holstein> i usually just use VLC
[05:14] <Nintet> but yea... compared to just stock totem with no plugin... sounds like it is doing something
[05:14] <holstein> cool
[05:14] <holstein> good to know
[05:15] <Nintet> have to get on here later...
[05:16] <Nintet> mabee someone can tell me where i can get some demo code and make some plugins or something
[05:16] <Nintet> time for sleep on the EST
[05:16] <Nintet> thanks!
[05:16] <Nintet> nite
[05:16] <holstein> GN
[06:25] <tanders12> ailo/holstein: you guys around?
[06:25] <ailo> tanders12: how is it going?
[06:26] <tanders12> good man. i been kickin butt
[06:26] <tanders12> :)
[06:26] <ailo> Did you get jack and ffado built?
[06:26] <tanders12> got ffado, jack1, and jack2/jackdmp all to compile and run
[06:26] <tanders12> ffado-mixer is workin great
[06:27] <ailo> No problems at all?
[06:27] <tanders12> well...
[06:27] <tanders12> :D
[06:28] <ailo> So what did you do to get jack working?
[06:28] <tanders12> only problem is synaptic thinks they are all uninstalled, since I removed them first. So if i try to install ardour it want to install libffado, etc. So next step is to uninstall the ones I built, then reinstall from syaptic, then rebuild and overwrite and get it working that way
[06:28] <ailo> I see
[06:29] <tanders12> the problem was ffado
[06:29] <ailo> One solution is to make your own packages and create a repo on your system.
[06:29] <tanders12> it thought i was missing some deps but I wasn't, so it didn't compile with the proper options
[06:30] <tanders12> then Arnold on the ffado mailing list recommended this:
[06:30] <tanders12> Install the package "libdbus-c++-dev" and its dependencies, run "rm .scons*
[06:30] <tanders12> cache/objects -Rf" and then try again.
[06:30] <tanders12> The alsa lib is not so important afair.
[06:30] <tanders12> worked great
[06:30] <ailo> Ok. Scons.. :)
[06:30] <tanders12> you were right about ./waf
[06:30] <tanders12> that's what you use for jack2
[06:30] <ailo> ok
[06:31] <tanders12> jack1 uses autogen.sh
[06:31] <ailo> That's the only one I built myself
[06:31] <ailo> Sorry for the confusion, then.
[06:31] <tanders12> supposedly they both interface the same
[06:32] <tanders12> jack2 isn't really a replacement per se, but an alternative. however, I wanted the multicore support so i went with it
[06:32] <tanders12> i really like the waf system
[06:32] <tanders12> makes it very clear what you are building and how to change it
[06:33] <tanders12> honestly man this has been a lot of fun but way more of a pain than it should have been. Both the FFADO and JACK documentation is horrible.
[06:33] <tanders12> I'm seriously thinking about adding some stuff to the wikis, I'm just afraid of putting in false info
[06:34] <tanders12> I know what works for me but I don't have a lot of "in depth" knowledge
[06:35] <ailo> Maybe jack could use some additions on their site, about building?
[06:36] <ailo> But, what did you think about specifically? How to set up ffado with micer on Maverick?
[06:36] <ailo> mixer..
[06:37] <tanders12> yeah
[06:37] <tanders12> like "getting FFADO and JACK working 101"
[06:38] <tanders12> i mean they don't even explain the difference between jack1 and jack2 on their site
[06:38] <tanders12> most of the good info is in the README
[06:39] <ailo> I think the README is enough for building, but not for how to set it up for a particular system.
[06:39] <tanders12> you've never used firewire audio right?
[06:39] <ailo> Nope
[06:39] <ailo> Don't have a device
[06:40] <tanders12> ah so you've never seen ffado-mixer. It's very bland compared to the flashy manufacturer mixers for windows/max. I'm toying with the idea of making a new interface as well
[06:41] <tanders12> I was thinking about why Maverick and Lucid take different things to get the permissions right, and I think it has something to do with Juju
[06:42] <ailo> Must be
[06:43] <tanders12> that's a perfect example though. I could edit the wiki and recommend ppl to add that file to /lib/udev/rules.d like I did, but maybe there's another way that is more correct. IDK, it just works for me
[06:43] <ailo> I think your way is probably the safest way to go, since the rules are for specific devices. This way they don't affect other devices at all.
[06:44] <tanders12> yeah
[06:45] <tanders12> and honestly the wiki is so bad already i don't think anyone will care if it's a little off
[06:45] <tanders12> if it works, it works
[06:45] <tanders12> btw my command line kung fu is improving rapidly :D
[06:45] <tanders12> brb
[06:46] <tanders121> back
[06:47] <tanders121> switched clients
[06:47] <tanders121> ive never really used irc or mailing lists before the last few days
[06:47] <ailo> tanders121: I'm kind of new to it too.
[06:48] <ailo> I'm sure your setup can be used as reference in the wiki. But about building stuff from source, there is the propblem with dependencies, as you mentioned.
[06:49] <tanders121> yeah readme is best for that
[06:49] <tanders121> i could include general info though
[06:50] <tanders121> and explain a little more about WHAT is happening, not just what to type in
[06:50] <ailo> No, that too, sorry. But I mean, not being able to install stuff later, because of package dependencies.
[06:50] <tanders121> oh right
[06:50] <tanders121> well ill figure that out soon enough
[06:51] <ailo> It is possible to force install a package from the .deb file.
[06:52] <ailo> You can find ardour, for instance on http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and download it.
[06:53] <tanders121> hm good idea. I just don't want to concede defeat to synaptic :P
[06:53] <tanders121> but if i cant make it work ill prolly just build ardour from source as well. I think there are slight performance advantages to it
[06:53] <ailo> I've only touched on the repo problem, but it is definitely possible to adjust that.
[06:55] <ailo> And, you can create your own. I'm going to eventually for some custom packages.
[06:56] <tanders121> ah yes I thought of doing that too
[06:56] <tanders121> but i only have 32bit systems atm
[06:57] <tanders121> can you build for 64bit on 32?
[06:57] <ailo> Don't know.
[07:04] <ailo> tanders121: Ever tried Linux From Scratch?
[07:04] <tanders121> Well here goes. I'm about to break a perfectly good system on purpose...
[07:05] <tanders121> ailo: nope but I want too :D
[07:05] <tanders121> Arch first, then maybe LFS some day
[07:06] <ailo> LFS is not so hard, at least for the base system. It's educational, though.
[07:06] <ailo> There is BLFS, which deals with Desktops, and that gets a little trickier.
[07:10] <tanders121> i think arch is a nice middlepoint. still very basic but they have a bunch of packages. I wouldn't want to have to install EVERYTHING from source
[07:15] <tanders121> brb
[07:18] <tanders12> yep, i broke it...
[07:23] <tanders12> well in gonna try and reboot before i give up on it for tonight
[07:32] <tanders12> gotta love rebooting
[07:32] <tanders12> everything works :)
[16:16] <ScabbyMadman> is there a complete package list somewhere of  ubuntustudio?
[16:18] <ScottL> hold on ScabbyMadman
[16:18] <ScabbyMadman> thanks
[16:18] <ScottL> ScabbyMadman, this is the build log with ALL the packages:  http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntustudio/natty/daily-20110103.log
[16:18] <ScottL> or
[16:19] <ScottL> here is the multimedia list of packages:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Applications
[16:20] <ScabbyMadman> Thanks ScottL ..I have  UbuntuStudio 7.04( I think) on another HD....using an old AthlonXP 2600...a little old non?
[16:20] <ScabbyMadman> that ver worked  pretty ok
[16:21] <ScottL> ScabbyMadman, oh yes, 7.04 is quite old...10.04 (the latest LTS version) is quite a bit better than 7.04
[16:21] <ScabbyMadman> great
[16:22] <ScabbyMadman> I was mightily impressed with 7.04s dvd authoring  tools to say the least
[16:26] <ScottL> mind you, 10.10 is also released but it is not an LTS version
[16:26] <ScabbyMadman> aye
[16:26] <ScabbyMadman> the .10 vers tend to be  somewhat bleeding edge, non?