[08:05] <didrocks> good morning
[09:23] <MacSlow> Greetings everybody
[09:23] <MacSlow> *sigh*
[09:24] <didrocks> Good morning MacSlow!
[09:24] <MacSlow> hey didrocks
[10:14] <apw> can anyone tell me how to get rid of AM/PM on the new indicatory clocky thing?
[10:15] <apw> and indeed how to get the date back in the clocky thing
[10:42] <mpt> apw, implement <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=settings-clock.jpg> :-)
[10:56] <apw> mpt, joy
[10:57] <seb128> or http://askubuntu.com/questions/17226/how-do-i-show-the-date-in-the-clock-indicator
[10:58] <seb128> that's at least for the date
[10:58] <seb128> not sure you can change the format, that comes from the locale
[11:45] <apw> do we already know that on random logins the theme is incorrectly set, showin nice coloured icons instead of our black and white ones ?
[11:55] <seb128> apw, it's likely gnome-settings-daemon failing to start
[11:56] <seb128> there is some bug about it
[11:56] <seb128> would be interesting to know if you have anything in .xsession-errors about g-s-d
[11:56] <seb128> or a crash
[11:56] <apw> seb128, no crash reported by apport
[11:57] <apw> seb128, and it was running still when i logged out
[11:59] <apw> seb128, scratch that, wrong machine.... no crash reported though, lost the error log on the affected box, will look next time
[12:01] <apw> do we know about the NM applet 'connecting' animation being missing?
[14:44] <jcastro> wb njpatel!
[15:12] <jcastro> cando_: jamalta: fagan: vish: I'm doing a unity report today on the bitesizes, if you've claimed a bug and have no progress and want to throw it back in the pool today would be the day to do that.
[15:12] <jcastro> also, if you did anything cool in the meantime let me know
[15:14] <cando_> jcastro, i've a bug half-finished...but sincerely i've not time to do it...(univ exams..).. :(
[15:14] <cando_> my branch is linked to the bug...
[15:14] <jcastro> no worries
[15:14] <jcastro> want me to ask if someone wants to finish it?
[15:14] <lamalex> API, how is it coming?
[15:15] <API> lamalex, fine, although I spent most of yesterday revamping my development environment
[15:15] <cando_> jcastro, i would like to finish it but i understand that i can't take this bug for me forever..
[15:15] <cando_> so yes...
[15:15] <API> I still used the "long path" to compile unity
[15:15] <API> anyway
[15:15] <jcastro> it's ok, it's not like people are stomping on you trying to take it. :)
[15:15] <API> I have the code to load the bridge
[15:15] <API> done
[15:16] <API> now I need to test it (a freeze last time I tested it)
[15:16] <cando_> jcastro, meanwhile should i assign that bug back to nobody?
[15:17] <jcastro> cando_: nah, let's just roll with it, we have plenty in the meantime
[15:17] <cando_> jcastro, :)...ok thanks jorge
[15:18] <jcastro> you're the one doing us the favor, I don't want to come across as whiny. :)
[15:18] <ronoc> njpatel, hey, developing indicators in unity, trying to kill me indicator-applet so that i can run my own
[15:18] <cando_> ;)
[15:18] <ronoc> can't right click on the applet
[15:18] <ronoc> killall indicator-applet ?
[15:19] <jcastro> cando_: You don't take as long as DBO does, for example.
[15:20] <seb128> ronoc, you can right click on the handle on the left
[15:20] <cando_> ahahah, ok...^^
[15:21] <ronoc> seb128, can't see this handle, left of the panel ?
[15:21] <njpatel> ronoc, killall unity-panel-service
[15:21] <ronoc> cool
[15:22] <njpatel> you might need to then run it, but it should autostart again
[15:22] <seb128> ronoc, oh, you are using unity
[15:22] <seb128> ronoc, I though that was under GNOME
[15:22] <njpatel> ronoc, that'll re-load all the indicators
[15:22] <didrocks> just be quicker than the autostart :)
[15:22] <ronoc> yep moved this morning
[15:23] <ronoc> njpatel, anyway i can stop it from running again, I want to run up my service and indicator
[15:24] <njpatel> ronoc, mm, I didn't right the autostart code, there might not be a easy way to disable that yet :/
[15:25] <cando_> jcastro, forget me..i want to finish this bug..i can stop my study for an hour..eheheh..but i need some mentoring: can you point me to somebody willing to help?
[15:25] <seb128> njpatel, ronoc: I don't think there is one no
[15:26] <jcastro> cando_: DBO probably, but really, you should study
[15:26] <ronoc> seb128, right must continue developing on classic desktop then
[15:26] <cando_> jcastro, no problem.. :)
[15:26] <cando_> DBO, have you got some time for a quick mentoring?
[15:27] <DBO> cando_, yes
[15:27] <cando_> DBO, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/688407
[15:28] <cando_> i've already written the quick list..i've to write the callback for the Empty trash
[15:29] <DBO> cando_, I think the idea is to use gio here
[15:29] <DBO> looking at it
[15:29] <cando_> i've looked to unity-private, but obviuosly it's in vala...i've looked to nautilus code and it's pretty difficult..my question is: is there a simple way?or should i use (like in nautilus) gio_schedule?
[15:32] <DBO> cando_, probably should do it how nautilus does
[15:32] <DBO> do you have the code snippet handy?
[15:32] <cando_> if the latter...it's a pretty big thing, right? (i've never used gio_schedule and simils)..i've to create the jobs and so on..
[15:32] <cando_> yep..just a moment
[15:33] <cando_> DBO, http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/tree/libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-operations.c
[15:33] <cando_> from row 6118
[15:35] <DBO> cando_, okay what this does in all its complexity is delete everything contained in the trash: file
[15:35] <cando_> DBO, yes...but do we need that complexity? the jobs and the schedules?
[15:36] <DBO> no
[15:36] <DBO> you could do this all inline
[15:36] <didrocks> njpatel: I'm adding a global variable for disabling the autostart
[15:37] <cando_> DBO, really? sorry but...it won't be a problem if a i have a very full bin?
[15:37] <DBO> cando_, you should still do it async
[15:37] <DBO> but you shouldn't need a job for that
[15:38] <cando_> DBO, ok..i'll try...thanks!
[15:38] <njpatel> didrocks, awesome!
[15:41] <lamalex> DBO, didn't you write trash emptying for docky via gio?
[15:42] <DBO> lamalex, yeah but I dont honestly care that it did not account for things like nfs
[15:44] <lamalex> didrocks, how does your super key merge affect super + e and the other compiz bindings?
[15:46] <jcastro> is holding down super going to still do the number overlays like in 10.10?
[15:47] <seb128> jcastro, it should
[15:50] <lamalex> DBO, cando_ nautilus added a dbus api for file ops, is empty trash one of them?
[15:51] <DBO> counting on nautilus to be present is not a good idea
[15:51] <cando_> really?didn't know...
[15:51] <lamalex> erm, maybe it hasn't been added yet anyway
[15:54] <seb128> lamalex, it's in GNOME3 which is not in natty
[15:54] <seb128> well the dbus interfaces
[15:54] <seb128> not sure the trash empty action has one
[16:01] <gs> Hello everyone! mostly technical discussion here? anyway I wrote a blog post on Unity and interface design you might be interested in, would love to get some feedback: http://georgesullivan.wordpress.com/2011/01/02/unity-a-missed-oportunity/
[16:02] <lamalex> seb128, ah ok
[16:08] <coz_> hey all
[17:01] <didrocks> I need some testing on different hw…
[17:01] <didrocks> can people try to run: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test; echo $?
[17:01] <didrocks> and give the result (should be 0 or 1) here?
[17:03] <lamalex> didrocks, sure
[17:04] <dbarth> it returns 0 for me didrocks
[17:04] <lamalex> didrocks, does nux need to be from trunk or is the packaged version ok
[17:04] <dbarth> and i'm running unity right now
[17:04] <didrocks> lamalex: packaged version is ok
[17:04] <didrocks> dbarth: thanks :)
[17:05] <lamalex> didrocks, I also get a 0 return code
[17:05] <didrocks> just that we had a segfaulty version on some card some weeks ago and I want to ensure that some random hw config is working now :)
[17:05] <didrocks> lamalex: thanks!
[17:05] <lamalex> I'm on a macbook pro, nvidia graphics
[17:05] <didrocks> I think dbarth is on ATI
[17:06] <didrocks> seb gave me for intel
[17:06] <cyphermox> kvalo, ping?
[17:06] <didrocks> but if other wants to play the game, they're welcome :)
[17:06] <didrocks> cyphermox: !!! I'm sure you want to try /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test; echo $? and give the result here! :)
[17:07] <cyphermox> sure
[17:07] <cyphermox> it's 0
[17:08] <didrocks> \o/ thanks cyphermox
[17:08] <didrocks> jcastro was the one having the segfault IIRC
[17:08] <Omega> What do I need to install to be able to run that?
[17:08] <cyphermox> didrocks, I'm on a system with an i3 though, so Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12) for the graphics card... not much in terms of difference
[17:09] <didrocks> Omega: if you have unity, you should have it
[17:09] <didrocks> Omega: nux-tools is the package containing it
[17:09] <didrocks> cyphermox: well, it's mostly testing we don't have a segfault at least :)
[17:10] <jcastro> didrocks: I get 0 on nvidia
[17:10] <cyphermox> fair enough.. no segfault, unless I happily go hacking in unity ;)
[17:10] <didrocks> hehe :)
[17:10] <didrocks> thanks jcastro!
[17:11] <cyphermox> btw, I re-added the wifi strength icons in nm-applet: http://twitpic.com/3n0a95. That's just  on my system for now, but the animations are back in, the padlock for VPN over whatever connection is on, and this.
[17:11] <cyphermox> what's the process for shipping a few more icons with the ubuntu-mono-* themes? is there anything special?
[17:12] <jcastro> cyphermox: cool, I'll add that to my unity report!
[17:13] <cyphermox> jcastro, I need to ship icons for it to work though
[17:13] <didrocks> cyphermox: awesome \o/
[17:13] <jcastro> right, disclaimer, etc.
[17:13] <cyphermox> I quickly made the ones I needed in inkscape locally, since it's just inserting the padlock on the existing ones to create new files.
[17:13] <cyphermox> but I guess that's not quite kosher ;)
[17:16] <didrocks> Omega: did you have a change to test it?
[17:18] <seb128> cyphermox, try talking to sladen about those
[17:18] <cyphermox> seb128, thanks
[17:19]  * sladen looks at cyphermox 
[17:20] <cyphermox> sladen, I'd like to ship more icons with the ubuntu-mono-* themes, basically, new icons for the gsm and wifi signal strength drawings but with the nm-vpn padlock included, and one of the same for wired
[17:21] <cyphermox> that way nm-applet doesn't need to composite icons to add the padlock, which it can't do in the context of indicators anyway
[17:23] <jcastro> didrocks: typical thursday/friday unity upload this week?
[17:23] <jcastro> didrocks: also, anything of significance you'd like to see mentioned?
[17:23] <sladen> cyphermox: would it be possible to dynamically composite/combine them at package build-time
[17:24] <didrocks> jcastro: let's try/hope we can go on Thursday. As I'll be on a plane on Friday, I prefer to avoid last minute issues :)
[17:24] <cyphermox> sladen, well, I guess it would be, but wouldn't that be done in the theme's package and not by nm-applet?
[17:25] <didrocks> jcastro: in trunk? not yet landed? well, there is improved drag and drop from the panel (as if it was a real title), some little new options to control the panel
[17:25] <sladen> cyphermox: the plan is long-term to get more stuff (such as uniform adding of shadows) done with code, to make the most efficient use of artist/human time
[17:25] <didrocks> and the launcher
[17:25] <didrocks> jcastro: but nothing really important this week, bug fixes and such
[17:25] <jcastro> yep, got a list of those
[17:25] <jcastro> this will be a nice rollup report
[17:25] <cyphermox> sladen, fair enough. anyway all I need is already available, just need to layer the two images
[17:26] <cyphermox> I just have no idea how to do this on the command line yet
[17:26] <didrocks> great :)
[17:26] <sladen> cyphermox: yeah, as long as nm-applet is pulling in uniquely-named icons it the way in which they are produced (human, package build stage, dynamically, application) can be tweaked, but their the names are suitably abstracted that's probably not easily done
[17:27] <sladen> cyphermox: man convert  should do it, but if they are vectors, it would be good to keep them as vectors
[17:27] <cyphermox> sladen, right
[17:27] <cyphermox> sladen, for now, I was creating images with the same name, -sec appended to the end, and coded nm to look for images with that name
[17:28] <sladen> cyphermox: what's 'sec' ?
[17:28] <sladen> cyphermox: but I think you're on the right path!
[17:28] <cyphermox> sladen, was short for "secure" or whatever. just to note there is a padlock ;)
[17:29] <sladen> cyphermox: okay, my preference would be to spell it out as '-secure' so that it's obvious even for idiots like me
[17:29] <cyphermox> no problem
[17:29] <sladen> cyphermox: if you have a script that codifies what you want to do, I can look over it/help/assist
[17:30] <cyphermox> sladen, sure, I'll do a quick search to find a way to script this and write up something
[17:30] <cyphermox> any idea if this is done elsewhere already?
[17:33] <sladen> cyphermox: if there's a Makefile somewhere you should be able to do    out-secure.image: in-nonsecure-1.image in-padlock.image  \n   convert ... $< $@
[17:34] <sladen> cyphermox: or probably even just   %-secure.image: %.image padlock.image
[17:34] <cyphermox> heh, I was expecting convert to break vectors
[17:36] <kvalo> cyphermox: pong
[17:40] <Omega> didrocks: Sadly, no ):
[17:41] <didrocks> Omega: no worry :)
[17:41] <Omega> I need to find a usb stick.
[17:45] <sladen> cyphermox: convert does indeed produce ugly bitmapness.  inkscape commandline doesn't quite work.  One pointer I've found is to however https://launchpad.net/memaker does it
[17:46] <sladen> cyphermox: and another is a trival XML joiner
[18:16] <cando> jcastro, don't know if you have already written your bitesize report...but i'm fixing my bug..
[18:17] <jcastro> cando: I've got it queued up, but I can add an addenum like tomorrow, that would be brilliant!
[18:17] <jcastro> that way I can get a pic of it, etc.
[18:17] <cando> :) fine
[18:18] <jcastro> ok now set it for review and go back to studying. :)
[18:18] <jcastro> I don't want to be responsible if you mess up an exam, heh
[18:18] <cando> i've still to add the confirmation dialog..
[18:18] <cando> ahahah ok!
[18:18] <cando> after that i'll study..:)
[18:34] <Omega> jono: try /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test; echo $? and give the result here! :>
[18:35] <jono> Omega, not on my compiz unity box right now
[18:35] <Omega> Ah, same problem here ):
[18:51] <achiang> hello, if i think there's a papercut bug in a package (gnome-system-tools package -> time-admin binary package), what is the proper way to mark it so that someone can decide if it's actually a papercut or not?
[18:54] <achiang> is it simple as just filing the bug and then tagging it with papercut?
[18:54] <achiang> or possibly bitesize?
[19:20] <sense> achiang: File a bug in the 'hundredpapercuts' project at Launchpad and someone will process it.
[19:21] <achiang> sense: ah, thank you.
[19:21] <sense> yw
[20:04] <cando> DBO, sorry  a small question...why g_file_delete deletes also not empty folders? the docs says the opposite:If the file is a directory, it will only be deleted if it is empty.
[20:05] <DBO> cando, its a bit of a safety measure really
[20:05] <DBO> its kind of related to the reason we dont allow hardlinking of directories
[20:06] <cando> so in the patch i don't have to do a recursive deletion?
[20:07] <DBO> you do
[20:07] <DBO> you must recursively delete
[20:07] <cando> mmm ok
[20:15] <lamalex> DFS FTW
[20:24] <lamalex> tedg, is there any way to do more custom layouts in an indicator? Can entire widget be sent over?
[20:25] <tedg> lamalex, No, we want everything to be declaritive.  But, the goal is to support more complex layouts.
[20:26] <tedg> lamalex, We have some ideas whiteboarded out, but I need to type them up and make them more complete.
[20:26] <lamalex> cool
[20:27] <lamalex> I really miss international clock from the gnome panel
[20:27] <tedg> lamalex, Having the multiple timezones in the menu?
[20:27] <lamalex> tedg, yah
[20:27] <tedg> lamalex, klattimer has that on his plate after getting the EDS integration in.
[20:28] <lamalex> :D
[20:31] <lamalex> DBO, did you figure out what was up in nux that was blocking that guy's dual monitor support patches?
[20:31] <DBO> ah fudge I forgot to follow up on that
[20:31] <DBO> my mistake
[20:38] <jcastro> tedg: if you've got time today/tomorrow I'd like a quick skype
[20:39] <tedg> jcastro, np. Can we just use the phone?
[20:40] <jcastro> sure, want me to call you?
[20:42] <tedg> jcastro, Sure, either way.
[23:43] <achiang> hm, what package contains the icons for the window controls? (close, minimize, maximize)