[00:14] <ScottK> $ sudo df -h /dev/sdb1
[00:14] <ScottK> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[00:14] <ScottK> /dev/sdb1             917G  200M  871G   1% /var/cache
[00:14] <ScottK> apachelogger_: ^^^ I think that will be enough.
[00:15] <ScottK> apachelogger_: If you'd move over the pbuildering magics that'd be nice.
[00:17] <apachelogger_> ok
[00:20] <ScottK> Since quanta is apparently dead, what do I use instead?
[00:22] <apachelogger_> I thought milian worked on quanta, or maybe I am being confused
[00:23] <ScottK> He's done some.
[00:23] <ScottK> The commits are mostly like "oops, made it build again"
[00:23] <ScottK> It appears substantially unported though.
[00:24] <ScottK> There's a big UNPORTED directory that looks scarily large.
[01:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: one shall use kate then
[02:06] <ScottK> Actually the KDE 3 version of Quanta doesn't totally suck.
[03:01] <vorian> 2/
[03:08] <ScottK> 3/
[03:20] <maco> ScottK: "oops, made it build again"? haha i would call that more "yay" than "oops"
[03:20] <Daskreech> 4/
[10:25] <shadeslayer> lol
[10:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i havent published anything yet, and i still have 24 views :P
[10:26] <shadeslayer> wait no
[10:26] <shadeslayer> 24 views *today*
[10:26] <shadeslayer> 37 views in total ^_^
[11:28] <ScottK> maco: The oops part was it'd gotten broken due to being out of sync again.  I probably lacked a comma.
[11:38] <milian> apachelogger: ScottK: both of you have a point, on one hand I did work on quanta otoh I don't have much time for that right now
[11:38] <milian> and it's still far from being finished
[11:39] <ScottK> milian: I don't do a lot of web site work and so I'm coming back to it after an absence and it seems to me that Quanta (the KDE3 one) is still pretty hard to beat.  I hope you find the time.  My comments certainly aren't meant as criticism.  We've all got stuff we want to get to and can't.
[11:40] <milian> no no, I didn#t take it as criticism
[11:40] <milian> I find it very sad myself that I don't find any time for it
[11:56] <Quintasan|Droid> Riddell: ping
[12:32] <apachelogger> milian: you should get a minion :)
[12:33] <apachelogger> milian: btw, do any of the projects you work on use likeback?
[12:36] <milian> apachelogger: what is likeback (no they don't)
[12:37] <milian> and I actually do have some mionions
[12:37] <milian> I spent considerable time incorporating patches by other contributors
[12:38] <apachelogger> well, then you need an apprentice for that ^^
[12:38] <apachelogger> one must always seek to have enough minions so that one can chase after fun things to do
[12:39] <apachelogger> milian: likeback is the feedback thingy in amarok and kmess and akunambol
[12:39] <milian> why should I use it?
[12:39] <milian> we have bugs.kde.org, mailing lists and our channel
[12:39] <milian> and we get lots of feedback that way
[12:39] <apachelogger> which I recently turned into a library, and since the api interfaces of likeback are less than library friendly and less than scalable I was wondering if you knew any api consumers from whom I could get feedback ^^
[12:39] <apachelogger> milian: it is inside the application
[12:40] <apachelogger> allowing for instant like or dislike expression
[12:40] <milian> I dislike the idea to implement that :)
[12:40] <milian> as I said, we get lots of feedback
[12:40]  * apachelogger is not on a promo tour though as he finds the system rather silly implemeneted
[12:40] <milian> I don#t want to get even more random "this sucks" "this rocks" messages
[12:41] <milian> bug reports and wishrequests is all I need
[12:42] <apachelogger> milian: but is it what the user needs ;)
[12:42] <apachelogger> considering the bad UX every bug tracking system out there provides
[12:44] <milian> then improve that rather than introduce yet another place to dump data
[12:44] <milian> really, devs come first :P
[12:44] <apachelogger> milian: it is not meant to dump data
[12:44] <apachelogger> well
[12:44] <apachelogger> not as a BTS anyway
[12:44] <milian> bko neither and it's used for that
[12:44] <milian> even irc is used for bugreports (by some, and of course they get ignored)
[12:44] <milian> don't tell me this system is not abused for that
[12:45] <apachelogger> because there is the concept of reporting an issue and there is the concept of not liking something and with FLOSS we tend to mix those two
[12:45] <apachelogger> which in turn leads to frustated people on both ends because the systems we use are only equipped for one of those things
[12:46] <milian> I disagree
[12:46] <apachelogger> of course one must also consider that drawing a line between a wish that actually qualifies as issue and those wishes that are really just wishes is difficult
[12:46] <milian> if something is an issue then it's something not liked
[12:46] <milian> and vice versa
[12:46] <apachelogger> and the fact that multiple wishes make an issue does not help either ^^
[12:47] <apachelogger> milian: vice versa that does not work
[12:47] <apachelogger> a user can dislike the fact that, well, hm, kde apps have window buttons on the right
[12:48] <apachelogger> that could be an issue for KDE but it is not
[12:48] <apachelogger> from an ubuntu POV it is an issue
[12:48] <apachelogger> there is a large difference in the clearity of issueness if one may call it that way
[13:05] <ScottK> Now you've gone and scare him off.
[13:05] <ScottK> scare/scared
[13:17] <milian> apachelogger: then he should report it to ubuntu not to me
[15:22] <apachelogger> milian: well yes, just saying that something that is out of your scope and/or interest can be a showstopper in a different context
[15:25] <rgreening> kmail is unbelievably slow with IMAP now. Akonadi == teh suk for my Kmail/IMAPzorz
[15:26] <rgreening> marking mail read sits in wait spin for ever
[15:26] <apachelogger> well
[15:26] <apachelogger> only for the first week or so
[15:26] <rgreening> ?
[15:26] <apachelogger> then it will have synced everything and happyly work ^^
[15:26] <rgreening> Been like that since before xmas
[15:27] <apachelogger> then your setup is the broken
[15:27] <rgreening> in fact mid dec.
[15:27] <rgreening> hmm.. I staRTED FROM A CLEAN ACCOUNT DIR.
[15:27] <rgreening> sry about caps
[15:27] <rgreening> misstyped
[15:27] <rgreening> :)
[15:28] <al> oh, only one week of unusable mail
[15:28] <al> gee, that's fine then
[15:28] <rgreening> so, if starting from a clean dir, causes a broken setup, its our fault and not specific to my setup
[15:28] <rgreening> my mail finally got marked read.
[15:28] <rgreening> gee...
[15:29]  * rgreening thinks I'll have to start using gmail directly
[15:29] <rgreening> lol
[15:29] <rgreening> anyone else using gmail/imap under the new KDE? 
[15:29] <apachelogger> yes
[15:30] <rgreening> just curious on setup/experiences...
[15:30] <apachelogger> works perfectly
[15:30] <rgreening> and how many folders and emails do you have?
[15:30] <rgreening> I have probably 10K messages and about 20 folders.
[15:30] <rgreening> maybe its a folder/collection/message# issue with akonadi
[15:32] <apachelogger> let me count
[15:32] <apachelogger> 39 folders
[15:32] <apachelogger> no clue about amount of mails, but gmail says there are 1.5 gib of them
[15:33] <rgreening> I have emails dating back to Gmails launch plus imports from my hotmail, so I have a lot of mail. Maybe its related
[15:34] <apachelogger> maybe ur intarwebs is just slow?
[15:34] <freeflying> Riddell: is it a bug that settings under /etc/X11Xsession.d/ can't be used in natty?
[15:34] <apachelogger> akonadi is sort of designed for having all sorts of shit lying around
[15:34] <rgreening> Nope. I have a 100Mbps connection to the backbone (I run the local ISP)
[15:34] <rgreening> so, BW should not be any issue
[15:34] <rgreening> and we are talking txt
[15:35] <rgreening> txt xfers and basic IMAP msging is minimal traffic... 
[15:35] <rgreening> at least for the basic comms
[15:36] <rgreening> and this all worked 10000% better prior to the akonadi/IMAP introduction.
[15:36] <ScottK> And considering Kmail and IMAP always kind of sucked, that's saying something.
[15:37] <rgreening> :)
[15:37] <rgreening> happy new yr ScottK :)
[15:38] <ScottK> Happy New Year rgreening.
[15:38] <rgreening> I got me a kindle 3G for xmas. kikass
[15:38] <rgreening> :)
[15:39] <rgreening> free 3G and web browsing on it lol.. though browsing is experimental, and not the best, at least its free.
[16:14] <shadeslayer> rbelem: yayy http://code.google.com/p/android-cruft/wiki/LucidWithAndroid
[16:14] <shadeslayer> so i just need to install kubuntu mobile on it and im set
[16:15] <highvoltage> on the Kubuntu Website it says "Debian, supply most of our packages". That should be "supplies", shouldn't it?
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[16:28] <ScottK> ~ninjas | KDE SC 4.5.5 tarballs need packaging.
[16:28] <ScottK> OK.  That wasn't very dramatic.
[16:28] <ScottK> !ninjas | KDE SC 4.5.5 tarballs need packaging.
[16:29] <apachelogger> no time ubottu
[16:29] <txwikinger> hi ScottK! Happy New Year
[16:29]  * ScottK thinks rgreening should jump in and blow the dust off his packaging skilz.
[16:29] <ScottK> Happy New Year txwikinger.
[16:30]  * ScottK won't be able to look at it until tomorrow at the earliest.
[16:32] <shadeslayer> i can look at them on 6th after coming back from my exam
[16:32] <shadeslayer> cya .. battery finished
[16:48] <mfraz74> just did an upgrade to kde 4.6 and now k3b can't see any optical devices on my computer
[16:52] <ScottK> IIRC k3b needs to use solid/udisks instead of hal.
[16:52] <mfraz74> k3b - make sure hal daemon is running, it is used by k3b for finding devices
[16:52] <apachelogger> might use backend dependent solid functions
[16:53] <apachelogger> apparently phonon's deivce list magic did that
[16:53] <mfraz74> ScottK: how do i change it?
[16:53] <ScottK> mfraz74: Not sure.  Someone needs to look into it, but I'm ENOTIME today.
[16:53] <ScottK> Maybe afiestas knows.
[17:01] <mfraz74> looks like i can't do anything with the drive, I just put a DVD in and nothing happens
[17:12] <afiestas> mfraz74: should be fixed for rc2
[17:13] <mfraz74> filed bug 697304 anyway
[17:15] <mfraz74> btw, how do i stop device notifier from finding my twonky servers?
[17:34] <Riddell> Quintasan_: pong
[17:56] <rgreening> ScottK: yeah. I should. Been a rough few months for me at the office. We'll see how the new year fares. hopefully I'll have a little more time/motivation. Been low on those of late. 
[18:05] <vorian> ScottK: I can work on them tonight
[18:11] <Riddell> valorie: work on which?
[18:47] <CIA-39> [trunk] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20110104184655-c34d9f0wfcl5xzt1 * (debian/changelog debian/control src/DebugFinder.cpp) * Use "pretty" includes for QApt: - Bump minimum QApt version to the first version these were present
[18:59] <CIA-39> [trunk] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20110104185851-iexuy2hyisnn6u0c * debian/changelog Set to unreleased
[19:04] <CIA-39> [trunk] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20110104190420-9832dcfgsbvg1jip * (debian/changelog src/DebugInstaller.cpp) * Make the strings for error dialogs consistent * Make string consistently past-tense for error messages.
[19:22] <CIA-39> [trunk] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20110104192016-12lpnp00jiq2w0os * src/DebugInstaller.cpp Compile fix
[19:23] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1211739 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Don't bother naming the temporary variable here. It doesn't hurt readability and is a tiny bit faster
[19:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: is your proposal for conf.kde.in about fluffy?
[19:31] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nope
[19:31] <apachelogger> :O
[19:31] <apachelogger> omg
[19:31] <Riddell> ooh, Nightrose is coming to conf.kde.in?
[19:32] <apachelogger> also I did not yet hear back regarding fosdem
[19:32] <Nightrose> Riddell: trying
[19:32] <Nightrose> apachelogger: neither
[19:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: no I should poke him about fosdem
[19:32] <Nightrose> Riddell: are you going?
[19:32] <Riddell> Nightrose: yep, pretty sure I will
[19:32] <Nightrose> \o/
[19:32] <Riddell> I've always fancied going to India
[19:32] <apachelogger> which reminds me that I should talk to claudia
[19:32] <Nightrose> same here
[19:32] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1211740 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (package.cpp package.h) Add a QString overload for Package::controlField(), and also give both apidox
[19:32] <Nightrose> Riddell: do you know who else is on the list yet?
[19:33] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how to best contact claudia?
[19:33] <Riddell> Nightrose: there's a list?
[19:33] <Nightrose> email
[19:33]  * apachelogger throws stones at amarok
[19:33] <apachelogger> Nightrose: thx
[19:33] <Riddell> I know seaLne has been asked
[19:33] <Nightrose> Riddell: well no - just who's going :D
[19:33] <Nightrose> ok
[19:33] <Riddell> and shadeslayer will probably go
[19:34] <Nightrose> i heard frank wants to come too but not sure
[20:49] <yofel> rc2 tars are out \o/
[21:48] <Quintasan|Droid> Sput: any chances for quassel client for android? :3
[21:49] <Sput> well. someone tells me that the Qt port to android is making progress
[21:49] <Sput> at the same time, we seem to have gotten a contributor who wants to write a mobile-capable UI
[21:49] <Sput> so we'll see...
[21:50] <Quintasan|Droid> Sput: that would be awesome,  I think you could get at least 2 beers at UDS :P
[21:51] <Sput> we'll see how it goes :)
[22:26] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1211761 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (7 files in 3 dirs) Update my copyright dates on files I have touched since new years in a vain attempt to get myself to stop writing 2010 on everything
[22:27] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1211762 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp package.cpp package.h) SVN_SILENT: Update my copyright dates for files I have touched this year
[23:35] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1211784 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp SVN_SILENT: Stylistic changes