[03:55] <Ganymede> Hello, I was thinking of installing Ubuntu 10.04 for some of our researchers as computer nodes. I want to install server so they will be supported for 5 years and they won't have to be touched after I leave. However, sometimes the researchers might want a desktop with vnc4server so I would have to install ubuntu-desktop. Will installing ubuntu-desktop on an Ubuntu server transform it into Ubuntu Desktop so that it would only have 3 years
[03:55] <Ganymede>  of support?
[03:56] <Ganymede> s/computer nodes/compute nodes/
[04:03] <Ganymede> Hmm...I meant to ask in #ubuntu-server...
[08:04] <didrocks> good morning
[08:12] <pitti> Good morning
[08:22] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[08:22] <TheMuso> How was your break?
[08:23] <pitti> hey TheMuso, happy new year!
[08:23] <TheMuso> pitti: You too.,
[08:23] <pitti> very relaxing indeed
[08:24] <TheMuso> Good to hear.
[08:24] <didrocks> hey TheMuso! happy new year :)
[08:24] <TheMuso> didrocks: You too.
[08:34] <pitti> argh, bummer - I sent the meeting reminder without waiting for Seb's reminder-reminder again
[08:35] <pitti> didrocks: do you want me to do bryceh's compiz merge, or do you have other stuff to upload?
[08:35] <didrocks> pitti: are you deprecating seb then? :)
[08:36] <didrocks> pitti: I have other pending stuff to upload
[08:37] <pitti> didrocks: ok, I'll just commit it to the branch then
[08:37] <pitti> bryceh: btw, you should have push rights, too
[08:38] <pitti> argh, he forgot the link, I'll comment on the MP
[08:39] <didrocks> right, and let me check the xorg hook as well
[09:21] <seb128> hey
[09:22] <didrocks> good morning seb128
[09:22] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[09:22] <pitti> seb128: quickly, remind me about the meeting reminder before you read mail
[09:26] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti
[09:26] <seb128> oh, meeting reminder reminder to remind, thanks pitti ;-)
[09:49] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:50] <seb128> hey rodrigo_
[09:51] <rodrigo_> hi seb128
[09:52] <pitti> good morning rodrigo_
[09:52] <rodrigo_> hi pitti
[10:02] <rodrigo_> dbarth__, I just got a notification about a weekly a11y call, where is that?
[10:04] <dbarth__> rodrigo_: hi
[10:04] <dbarth__> i'm trying to find api and setup a skype conf call
[10:04] <rodrigo_> ok
[10:04] <rodrigo_> dbarth__, he's not around irc, it seems
[10:05] <dbarth__> right
[10:07] <kklimonda> good morning
[10:09] <rodrigo_> hey kklimonda
[10:10] <kklimonda> hey rodrigo_, how was your christmas?
[10:10] <rodrigo_> kklimonda, lots of days off, so great, yours?
[10:11] <kklimonda> rodrigo_: it was pretty good, a little too cold though and I've barely managed to go back for new year's eve :)
[10:11] <kklimonda> get*
[10:11] <kklimonda> I've also managed to break my amazon account
[10:12] <rodrigo_> crazy partiing on new year's eve?
[10:12] <rodrigo_> pitti, I've just submitted g-c-c 2.91.4 to the gnome3 ppa, and this now works, as opposed to what we talked yesterday
[10:12] <seb128> mvo, hey
[10:13] <rodrigo_> pitti, seems it just needed a rebuild
[10:13] <rodrigo_> kklimonda, broke it? how?
[10:13] <kklimonda> rodrigo_: meh, I was home at 5am ;)
[10:13] <rodrigo_> :)
[10:14] <kklimonda> rodrigo_: I've managed to create two separate accounts with the single email address - one for the store, another for aws
[10:14] <mvo> hey seb128
[10:14] <seb128> mvo, sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday but update-notifier doesn't work
[10:14] <kklimonda> rodrigo_: now I'm trying to access s3 and I get weird errors - I've already managed to lock myself out of the aws account.. ;)
[10:14] <pitti> rodrigo_: ah, nice
[10:15] <seb128> mvo, I see you rewrote everything I did, thanks for mentioning me in the changelog anyway :p
[10:15] <mvo> seb128: oh - thats bad - what specifically?
[10:15] <seb128> mvo, it does
[10:15] <seb128> ** (update-notifier:4084): DEBUG: crashreport_check
[10:15] <seb128> but report no crash
[10:15] <seb128> where I've some in /var/crash
[10:15] <seb128> it doesn't react if I touch one as well
[10:15] <mvo> seb128: oh, odd. worked for me, let me try again.
[10:16] <mvo> seb128: and I did not quite change every line, just a few (not because of your code but because of my old crufty code that was there before)
[10:16] <huats> morning
[10:17] <seb128> mvo, well you did things I pondered doing, like adding a debug-misc rather than dropping those g_print ;-)
[10:17] <seb128> mvo, you are less lazy than me :p
[10:17] <seb128> hey huats
[10:17] <huats> hello seb128
[10:17] <mvo> seb128: lol
[10:18] <seb128> mvo, you replaced the g_spaw call by the one that let you send stdout to null as well which I was not sure was a win because of all the NULL arguments to set ;-)
[10:19] <mvo> seb128: yeah, the stdlog stuff is a bit dubious, it gives a pointer to a file descriptior that then needs reading, I was not sure if there are no leaks (fd leaks) if that does not get closed properly so I thought it would be better to use the _close_stdout flag of gspawn
[10:20] <mvo> and yes, NULL 10x times
[10:20] <mvo> python default args ftw!
[10:21] <seb128> mvo, hum
[10:21] <seb128>    if (!gtk_status_icon_is_embedded (ta->tray_icon) &&
[10:21] <seb128>        crashreports_found > 0 &&
[10:21] <seb128>        !system_crashes) {
[10:21] <seb128>       g_debug("unity handler");
[10:21] <ubot2> seb128: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[10:21] <seb128> ubot2, shut up you ;-)
[10:21] <ubot2> Factoid 'shut up you ;-)' not found
[10:22] <seb128> mvo, why the "!system_crashes"?
[10:23] <mvo> seb128: well, if we omit that the use may get greeted with a gksu window, but I guess what we actually should do is to modify run_apport so that it spawns a dialog if it needs gksu or tweak apport to ask politely about that
[10:23] <seb128> mvo, the patch the way I wrote it make the user crashes only to be reported
[10:23] <mvo> seb128: i.e. the user logs in, u-n runs 60s later and suddenly there is a gksu window out of the blue
[10:24] <seb128> mvo, well I added a similar "gtk_status_icon_is_embedded (ta->tray_icon)" in run_apport
[10:24] <seb128> in my version
[10:24] <seb128> which leaded to have the user crashes reported
[10:24] <seb128> but the system ones ignored
[10:24] <seb128> your variant makes everything ignored when there is a system crash
[10:24] <seb128> which was what we had before already
[10:25] <mvo> seb128: did that work? I don't think the code is clever enough, once there is one system crash it will still not launch it
[10:25] <seb128> mvo, it did work, run_apport has a if, else
[10:25] <seb128>    if (check_system_crashes()) {
[10:25] <seb128> run with sudo
[10:25] <seb128> else
[10:25] <seb128> run
[10:25] <seb128>  
[10:26] <seb128> mvo, I did add a "if gtk_status_icon_is_embedded (ta->tray_icon)" in the first case
[10:26] <seb128> like
[10:27] <seb128> let me find my merge proposal, my local diff got overwriten when I pulled your update
[10:27] <mvo> but check_system_crashes() will return TRUE if there is any system crash
[10:27] <seb128> and?
[10:27] <seb128> that just makes apport_run() to be called
[10:27] <seb128> then you can check if there is a systray and no-op the call
[10:27] <mvo> aha, I see now, indeed, my mistake
[10:28] <seb128> to avoid spawning gksu
[10:28] <mvo> I make up for this by adding a dialog "system crashes detected, do you want to report them", ok?
[10:28] <seb128> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~seb128/update-notifier/unity-bug-reports/+merge/44049
[10:28] <mvo> this way we get the best of both worlds, no gksu-in-your-face and still the ability to report it
[10:28] <seb128> see the second snippet
[10:29] <seb128> mvo, works for me, I was just lazy to do that ;-)
[10:29] <mvo> seb128: fair enough , I broke it, I fix it
[10:30] <seb128> mvo, that and you told me you wanted to redesign maybe update-notifier
[10:30] <seb128> still not sure if it should be ported to an appindicator
[10:30] <seb128> or the event handling should be splitted out or something
[10:31] <mvo> seb128: i want to get rid of it entirely and replace it by upstart-session scripts
[10:31] <seb128> well for now I guess the dialog will remove the need to figure what to do with the redesign
[10:31] <mvo> seb128: but I see that we need something in the meantime unitl we get that support
[10:32] <seb128> so yeah your dialog will fit the need until we get there
[10:32] <mvo> ok, sounds good, I add that then
[10:32] <seb128> mvo, do you know how likely we will ever get upstart session scripts?
[10:32] <seb128> did you talk to keybuk about it?
[10:32] <mvo> yes, he knows about it and I send him examples what is needed
[10:33] <seb128> I know that was on the roadmap and upstart seem to get work again but not sure how much
[10:33] <mvo> like events on file changes etc
[10:33] <seb128> it's just that things were stalled for a while
[10:35] <mvo> i know, I hope its getting better, no definite target dates though
[10:52] <rodrigo_> anyone has any idea where to look for my openssh key problem (askpass password never shows up)
[10:55] <seb128> rodrigo_, downgrade to gnome-keyring from natty?
[10:56] <rodrigo_> hmm, yes, trying that
[10:59] <seb128> rodrigo_, btw could you try to backport the g-c-c 3 preferred application code to natty?
[10:59] <seb128> we will need that if we don't update to GNOME3
[10:59] <seb128> since glib changed the way the handlers work
[11:11] <mvo> seb128: hm, there is a problem, gtk_status_icon_is_embedded seems to return false if the icon is not visible, so it returns false on the gtk panel as well
[11:12] <seb128> hum
[11:12] <seb128> mvo, why is the icon not visible?
[11:14] <rodrigo_> Tx4l4p4rt4
[11:14] <seb128> mvo, well my patch was doing the check after "gtk_status_icon_set_visible(ta->tray_icon, TRUE);" for that reason
[11:15] <seb128> rodrigo_, time to change your password it seems ;-)
[11:15] <rodrigo_> Tx4l4p4rt4
[11:15] <seb128> mvo, but you moved that to before the if for some reason
[11:15] <mvo> seb128: aha, it seems like the problem is that the initial crashreport_check thing needs to run in a timeout_add
[11:15] <seb128> mvo, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~seb128/update-notifier/unity-bug-reports/+merge/44049
[11:16] <seb128> mvo, well, my patch worked in both GNOME and unity sessions...
[11:16] <seb128> I tested it ;-)
[11:18] <mvo> seb128: odd, let me look further
[11:18] <seb128> mvo, well what you said is right
[11:18] <seb128> it's just that you moved the check before the icon is set to visible
[11:19] <seb128> if you put it back where it was in my merge request that should work
[11:21] <rodrigo_> seb128, ugh
[11:21] <seb128> rodrigo_, time to change your password it seems ;-)
[11:22] <rodrigo_> yes, already changed
[11:22] <seb128> rodrigo_, did you noticed you typed Tx4l4p4rt4 there twice?
[11:22] <seb128> ok
[11:22] <mvo> seb128: no luck here, at least on the initial start
[11:22] <rodrigo_> I shouldn't blindly type it
[11:22] <mvo> seb128: maybe some sort of race
[11:22] <seb128> mvo, weird
[11:23] <rodrigo_> the power manager or screensaver from gnome3 just dims the screen to black and never undims it, so was trying to guess where to type the password, and I got it wrong
[11:23] <mvo> seb128: yep, the good old while (gtk_events_pending()) gtk_main_iteration(); fixes it
[11:23] <seb128> hum, k
[11:24] <seb128> way to add hacks to hacks
[11:25] <seb128> mvo, but do you still need a notification area if you do the dialog thing?
[11:25] <mvo> seb128: hacks> yeah, makes me a bit unhappy - but now you see why I want to get rid of it :)
[11:26] <seb128> hehe
[11:27] <seb128> mvo, let me know if you need testing
[11:28] <seb128> since I'm done with email catching up it should not take half a day today
[11:28] <mvo> that is actually a good point, let me make it just honor the autolaunch gconf key instead
[11:29] <rodrigo_> ok, hopefully last restart, brb
[11:38] <mvo> seb128: could you please give r611 a go? it will just autolaunch now (if the gconf key is set). see debian/changelog. avoids hack-after-hack and is consistent with the u-m autolaunch behavior
[11:38] <mvo> seb128: I go for lunch now
[11:39] <mvo> seb128: thanks for your patience with this, I think the result is much better now after this discussion and the code iterations :)
[11:39] <seb128> mvo, trying!
[11:50] <seb128> ok.
[11:51] <seb128> mvo, getting there but not still not right...
[11:51] <seb128> if you have a system crash and cancel the submittion it doesn't ask if you want to report the user ones
[11:51] <seb128> well rather if you cancel the dialog that ask you if you want to report it
[11:51] <seb128> or the gksu prompt
[11:52] <seb128> otherwise it works, you get the dialog etc under unity
[11:54] <seb128> to reporting -> to report
[11:54] <seb128> mvo, ^
[11:54] <seb128> in the new string
[12:17] <mvo> seb128: thanks! I fix the system-cancel thing as well now
[12:27] <mvo> seb128: r613 should fix the problems you outlined, if it looks ok I will upload today
[12:29] <seb128> mvo, ok, I just finished lunch, so grabbing some coffee and I will try that
[12:33] <mvo> seb128: thanks, no rush :)
[13:05] <seb128> re
[13:06] <seb128> mvo, still not
[13:10] <seb128> mvo, ignore me, seems to work
[13:10] <seb128> it just doesn't in the case when you deny the sudo authentification but that's a corner case
[13:11] <mvo> seb128: aha, indeed, good point
[13:24]  * rodrigo_ -> lunch
[13:36] <didrocks> cyphermox: hey, around?
[13:36] <cyphermox> yep
[13:36] <cyphermox> didrocks, what's up?
[13:37] <didrocks> cyphermox: do you have any bug/plan to work on getting the animation in the network indicator?
[13:37] <cyphermox> bug no, plans yes
[13:37] <didrocks> ok, just wanted to ensure it was on track :)
[13:37] <cyphermox> my plan is to work on the animation and getting the icons back for signal strength *today*
[13:37] <didrocks> I was puzzled by a wifi signal getting to 0 the last few days depsite iwscan was telling me
[13:38] <didrocks> and finally, I found that was because the dhcp didn't get any more free ip to assign :/
[13:38] <cyphermox> oh, right
[13:38] <didrocks> so wrong diagnostic, it's only with my gf's lucid box that I discovered what was wrong :)
[13:38] <cyphermox> ah
[13:38] <didrocks> today? nice! :)
[13:38] <cyphermox> I just need to fix my right click first ;)
[13:39] <didrocks> no need for right click :p
[13:39] <cyphermox> that's what you'd think ;)
[13:39] <didrocks> hehe :)
[13:39] <cyphermox> "menus are for restaurants"
[13:39] <didrocks> exactly!
[13:42] <cyphermox> ahh, unbroken :D
[13:49] <mterry> seb128, I noticed glade-3 wasn't in the desktop set.  Is that desired?
[13:50] <seb128> no
[13:50] <seb128> you should ask cjwatson if he can fix that
[13:50] <mterry> seb128, I can ask cjwatson
[13:50] <mterry> yup, ok
[13:50] <seb128> didrocks, the unity merge request you just did shows with conflicts
[13:50] <seb128> well the launchpad diff has conflicts markers, not sure if that's true or a launchpad bug
[13:50] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[13:50] <didrocks> seb128: oh? thanks for the notice. I branched yesterday evening, let's see if I can merge back
[13:55] <didrocks> seiflotfy: fixed and pushed, thanks
[13:57] <seiflotfy> huh
[13:57] <seiflotfy> ?
[13:58] <didrocks> oupss s/seiflotfy/seb128/
[13:58] <didrocks> stupid weechat completion :)  sorry seiflotfy
[14:58] <bcurtiswx_> good morning
[15:17] <rodrigo_> hi bcurtiswx
[15:18] <bcurtiswx_> rodrigo_, hi :)
[15:18] <seb128> rodrigo_, btw did downgrading gnome-keyring fix your ssh issue?
[15:18] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes
[15:18] <rodrigo_> seb128, looking at fixing it in the g3 ppa
[15:19] <seb128> ok
[15:19] <seb128> rodrigo_, did you see my question about the preferred application capplet backport btw?
[15:19] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, no, on the mailing list?
[15:20] <seb128> rodrigo_, no, on IRC earlier (or was it yesterday?)
[15:20] <seb128> rodrigo_, I was wondering if it would be easy to backport the gcc3 code to 2.32?
[15:21] <seb128> rodrigo_, since we updated glib and the handler system changed
[15:21] <seb128> we will need to backport the new code if we don't go for GNOME3
[15:21] <rodrigo_> well, porting the panels should be easy, without the shell even
[15:21] <rodrigo_> there are already some GTK3isms in the code, so we'll need to see case by case
[15:21] <rodrigo_> but I don't think it should be a lot of work
[15:22] <rodrigo_> the preferred capplets also now uses gsettings
[15:22] <rodrigo_> is that a problem?
[15:22] <seb128> not sure
[15:23] <seb128> let's keep that on the side until we sort what we decide to do with GNOME3
[15:23] <rodrigo_> also, it uses the GAppInfo stuff for browsers and mail readers
[15:23] <rodrigo_> so we'll need to make sure the browsers and mailers we ship support that
[15:23] <seb128> rodrigo_, well that's what we need anyway
[15:24] <rodrigo_> ah ok
[15:24] <seb128> since gvfs is using that
[15:24] <seb128> right now clicking on an url in a gtk application doesn't respect the default browser
[15:24] <seb128> since glib,gvfs use the new system
[15:24] <seb128> but the capplet write the old gconf key
[15:25] <rodrigo_> right
[15:27] <rodrigo_> about gnome3, gtk 3.0 should be released soon, so things should stabilize now
[15:27] <seb128> nice
[15:27] <rodrigo_> it's delayed though, afaik it was expected in Dec
[15:27] <seb128> it was
[15:28] <seb128> it starts being a tight schedule
[15:28] <rodrigo_> seb128, have you seen any notice about the delay?
[15:28] <seb128> no, was there any?
[15:28] <rodrigo_> no, haven't seen any, that's why I ask
[15:29]  * rodrigo_ asks
 rodrigo: will do a 2.99 very soon
[15:43] <seb128> rodrigo_, great
[15:48] <Sarvatt> pitti: did you see they got you at the top here? http://www.flickr.com/photos/13825348@N03/sets/72157625280545063/ :)
[15:48] <rodrigo_> seb128, http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2010-December/msg00108.html
[15:49] <pitti> Sarvatt: hah, thanks for digging these out
[15:49] <pitti> Sarvatt: doesn't seem to have a record of our "Debian vs RedHat" Bowling, though :)
[15:51] <seb128> ups
[15:51] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks
[16:12] <bcurtiswx_> how would I test in a build if "have_libindicate = 'yes' " is there an echo command in the build ? like $echo have_libindicate ?
[16:13] <bcurtiswx_> that i can add in to test the value at certain points ?
[16:13] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, if you still have the build dir read config.log
[16:14] <seb128> or search for have_libindicate in the config.log
[16:15] <bcurtiswx_> hmm, pattern not found at all
[16:16] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, grep -i indicate config.log?
[16:16] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, i used vim and did a /have_lindicate
[16:16] <bcurtiswx_> well with a b
[16:17] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ebcurtiswx/ubuntu/natty/empathy/empathy-2.91.4.3/annotate/head%3A/debian/patches/20_libindicate.patch#L21
[16:18] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, i believe that section is supposed to add a check for libindicate, but the config.log doesn't show have_libindicate at all
[16:18] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, grep -i indicate config.log
[16:18] <seb128> let me try
[16:19] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, ok i'll do that though the vim with the / search is the same
[16:19] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, hold on a sec
[16:20] <bcurtiswx_> HAVE_LIBINDICATE_FALSE='#'    HAVE_LIBINDICATE_TRUE=''
[16:20] <seb128> ok
[16:20] <seb128> so it's on
[16:20] <bcurtiswx_> the # means to ignore ?
[16:21] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, well the value which is ='#' is ignored
[16:21] <seb128> the one which is '' will be used
[16:22] <seb128> so in your case HAVE_LIBINDICATE_TRUE=''
[16:22] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, OK
[16:22] <seb128> it's TRUE
[16:23] <ronoc_> dbarth, had a kernel paging error with unity, cannot start machine !
[16:23] <ronoc_> dbarth, trying to fsck right now
[16:24] <dbarth> ronoc_: oops, nice one
[16:24] <dbarth> ronoc_: is that with a stable kernel (ie indicating a hw problem), or a development version?
[16:25] <ronoc_> dbarth, i did the upgrade this morning, was rebooting a few times after lunch to try to get around compiz, seems to be working now
[16:25] <ronoc_> very very odd
[16:25] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, do you still have build issues?
[16:25] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, do you need some help with those?
[16:26] <ronoc_> i think i'm back in business
[16:27] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, yes I do.  as far as I can tell it's something not recognizing the indicator functions
[16:27] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, let me get you the build log that failed
[16:27] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, ok, let me try
[16:27] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, you'll need the GNOME3 PPA when building from my branch
[16:27] <seb128> oh right
[16:27] <seb128> well let me see if I see something wrong from the patch without building
[16:28] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, OK let me give you something to work with, one sec
[16:28] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, well I did checkout lp:~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/natty/empathy/empathy-2.91.4.3
[16:28] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, what error do you get?
[16:29] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, http://paste.ubuntu.com/550298/
[16:29] <bcurtiswx_> seb128,  <kenvandine> looked like the CFLAGS stuff wasn't getting set right
[16:29] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, but hes currently occupied
[16:30] <kenvandine> seb128, looked like the same problem he had yesterday
[16:30] <kenvandine> but i didn't get to look at it yet
[16:30] <jasoncwarner> morning everyone :)
[16:31] <kenvandine> hey jasoncwarner
[16:31] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, kenvandine, but i reverted the changes and edited the patches without messing with magic numbers
[16:31] <didrocks> hey jasoncwarner
[16:31] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, hey! congrats on libgwibber, what's in this release?
[16:31] <pitti> hey jasoncwarner
[16:31] <pitti> oh, meeting time
[16:31] <tremolux> 'morning jasoncwarner
[16:31] <bcurtiswx_> oh, darn
[16:32] <kenvandine> gir fixes, more gobject friendly and the new stream view widget
[16:32] <jasoncwarner> pitti: sounds like a song :)
[16:32] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, all the patched sections in 20_libindicate.patch I went and verified they made it into the files
[16:32] <bcurtiswx_> they did
[16:32] <pitti> bryceh, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, cyphermox, mterry, rodrigo_, seb128, tkamppeter: meeting ping
[16:32] <pitti> Chris Coulson seems to be offline
[16:33] <mterry> heyo
[16:33] <jasoncwarner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-01-04
[16:33] <cyphermox> o/
[16:33]  * bcurtiswx_ steps out of the way
[16:33] <didrocks> pitti: he's marked as being on holidays
[16:33] <tremolux> how-dee
[16:33] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, let me check during the meeting and update you after that
[16:33] <seb128> hey pitti
[16:33] <seb128> hey jasoncwarner
[16:33] <seb128> hey everybody
[16:33] <rodrigo_> pitti, o/
[16:34] <jasoncwarner> Alright...first things first...happy new year!
[16:34] <jasoncwarner> :)
[16:34] <rodrigo_> happy new year to all, yes :)
[16:34] <didrocks> happy new year o/
[16:34] <mterry> yay
[16:34] <kenvandine> gonna be a great year!
[16:35] <pitti> is that the year of the Linux desktop, or the next one? :-)
[16:35] <rodrigo_> wasn't it 2010? :)
[16:35] <jasoncwarner> Ok...jumping right in ...[TOPIC] Unity
[16:35] <tkamppeter> hi
[16:35] <didrocks> well, I haven't done the last release maybe seb128?
[16:36] <seb128> didrocks, ?
[16:36] <didrocks> I saw drag and drop on the launcher landed as a christmas gift :)
[16:36] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, OK thx
[16:36] <seb128> oh right it did
[16:38] <didrocks> I didn't follow the rest of previous release, being on vacation. seb128 did it. Most of the team was on holidays the past two weeks as well and we will see on next Thursday release some little b
[16:38] <didrocks> bug fixes
[16:38] <jasoncwarner> well, seb128 and didrocks anything else? I know it has been some time :)
[16:38] <seb128> sorry I'm out of context
[16:38] <didrocks> also probably a new compiz snapshot coming this week
[16:38] <seb128> was that the unity summary?
[16:39] <seb128> I just read all the congrats from the new year but didn't notice any topic ;-)
[16:39] <kenvandine> seb128, yes
[16:39] <seb128> ups
[16:39] <seb128> sorry
[16:39] <seb128> so new release got the dnd on the launcher back
[16:39] <seb128> the places support didn't get in it
[16:40] <seb128> we still have some race issues and stacking bugs affecting menus
[16:40] <seb128> well we did trade off the menu stacking issue against a crash on start in the unity session
[16:40] <jasoncwarner> :)
[16:40] <seb128> crashes which doesn't- happen in the classic session with unity enable...
[16:40] <seb128> yeah for races
[16:40] <kenvandine> :)
[16:41] <seb128> the new version got improved support for wm decorations and titles in the bar
[16:41] <seb128> there was some visual improvements as well I think
[16:41] <seb128> that's about it
[16:41] <seb128> then everybody was off for the end of year and the uk were still off yesterday
[16:42] <jasoncwarner> any indication if we should expect stacking bug this week? and how about places landing...during Rally?
[16:42] <didrocks> jasoncwarner: seems we won't have it fixed this week
[16:42] <didrocks> places landing are due to alpha2, so probably after Rally we will have something
[16:42] <seb128> it's likely most of the work will wait next week
[16:42] <seb128> this week will probably be mostly catchup after break, especially for people who were still on holidays yesterday
[16:43] <seb128> we will probably not try to land an update just before everybody is travelling
[16:43] <kenvandine> seb128, that is always so much fun though
[16:43] <jasoncwarner> :)
[16:43] <didrocks> well, Thursday's release at least, as everytime :)
[16:43] <didrocks> if not too late
[16:43] <seb128> well, it's up to didrocks and dx really, but I would think most work will happen next week
[16:43]  * kenvandine ponders dbumenu gdbus upload friday :)
[16:43] <jasoncwarner> sounds good...
[16:43] <jasoncwarner> ok.
[16:43] <seb128> kenvandine, you don't have to be in a plane for 10 hours, I don't care if you want to spend your saturday fixing :p
[16:44] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:44] <kenvandine> :-D
[16:44] <seb128> kenvandine, you have no excuse and upload rights ;-)
[16:44] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] Software Center
[16:44] <kenvandine> haha
[16:44] <kenvandine> true
[16:44] <tremolux> so, summary is on the wiki for Software Center
[16:45] <tremolux> release just before holiday included a much more nicely integrated purchases flow, plus further startup time improvements
[16:46] <jasoncwarner> tremolux: ok...I've got nothing more specific other than estimate on ratings and review servers being ready?
[16:46] <jasoncwarner> Any indication?
[16:46] <tremolux> jasoncwarner: yes, it should be this week
[16:46] <jasoncwarner> wow...awesome!
[16:46] <tremolux> we plan to have it up and ready for testing/dev during the rally
[16:47]  * mterry writes ballot-stuffing bot
[16:47] <tremolux> it's alpha
[16:47] <tremolux> ;)
[16:47] <jasoncwarner> saweet... :) very cool
[16:47] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] Kubuntu
[16:48] <jasoncwarner> Riddell, you around for Kubuntu update?
[16:49] <jasoncwarner> seems not..which leaves [TOPIC] AOB
[16:49] <mterry> Xorg?
[16:50] <jasoncwarner> we usually hit that one during eastern edition, but if bryceh is around we can get an update.
[16:50] <mterry> ah
[16:50] <mterry> well, it's on the wiki
[16:50] <seb128> it's for eastern now since all the xorg guys join that edition
[16:51] <seb128> we don't have separate agendas for each editions
[16:51] <jasoncwarner> I'll update page with eastern log later today.
[16:51] <jasoncwarner> Any other business?
[16:51] <jasoncwarner> very cool...remember to update wiki if you have not already.
[16:52] <jasoncwarner> Happy new year and I guess we'll see each other in a less than a week! Assuming all of the US is not snowed in ;)
[16:52] <seb128> texas should be fine I guess ;-)
[16:52] <jasoncwarner> well, other than being Texas ;)
[16:52] <seb128> I was speaking for the weather ;-)
[16:53] <tremolux> haha
[16:53] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:53]  * bcurtiswx_ <3 snow
[16:53] <seb128> though the weather forecast says it's going to freeze during the nights
[16:53] <jasoncwarner> thanks everyone! [END MEETING]
[16:53] <seb128> thanks jasoncwarner!
[16:53] <didrocks> thanks jasoncwarner
[16:53] <bcurtiswx_> <---- the wx is short for weather  FYI
[16:54] <tremolux> thx everybody, good day all
[16:54] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx_, interesting...
[16:54] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, do you get extra details if you make V=1
[16:54] <seb128> in the empathy build dir
[16:55] <bcurtiswx_> the command "make V=1"
[16:55] <bcurtiswx_> ?
[16:56] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, no same errors no extra information
[17:01] <bcurtiswx_> kenvandine, yes the wx = weather.  I have my B.S. in Meteorology.. M.S. in Computational Sciences.. working on my PhD in Computational Sciences and Informatics
[17:02] <kenvandine> cool
[17:02]  * bcurtiswx_ <3 computer modeling
[17:02] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx_, my wife is a weather junky... i tease her that she should go back to school for another degree
[17:02] <bcurtiswx_> haha, we'll continue this later
[17:03] <bcurtiswx_> time for my lunch break
[17:03] <kenvandine> her psychology degree is pretty useless :)
[17:08] <seb128> bcurtiswx_, no really clue about the build issue, is the current ubuntu version building?
[17:08] <seb128> could be due to the --as-needed
[17:26]  * kenvandine -> lunch
[17:32] <dbarth> bryceh: hey bryce; i'm a bit lost with the debug packages i should have to get the lines of code info in my backtrace
[17:33] <seb128> dbarth, debug package for what source?
[17:33] <dbarth> bryceh: i have libgl1-mesa-dri-dbgsym whereas i had libgl1-mesa-dri-dbg
[17:33] <dbarth> but in neither case was i able to get line numbers
[17:34] <dbarth> dri drivers
[17:34] <dbarth> r300
[17:34] <dbarth> it's in libgl1-mesa-dri
[17:34] <dbarth> and my crasher is in /usr/lib/dri/r300_dri.so r300_texture_from_handle
[17:46] <dbarth> seb128: are those the right ones you think?
[17:46] <seb128> dbarth, try asking on #ubuntu-x
[17:49] <dbarth> ah ok
[18:04] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, ubuntu builds fine without the patches
[18:04] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, empathy*
[18:08] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, well with --disable-webkit since we dont' have the latest webkit built correctly yet
[18:15] <bryceh> hrm, LibreGraphics conference is same week as Budapest UDS :-( :-(
[18:26] <bcurtiswx_> hmm nautilus didn't have the gir 1.2 switch yet
[18:32] <kenvandine> that was refreshing... time to dive back into to gir overrides for dee :)
[18:32] <didrocks> time to enjoy some dinner, see you tomorrow :)
[18:32] <kenvandine> good night didrocks
[18:32] <bcurtiswx_> didrocks, enjoy good night
[18:32] <didrocks> bye kenvandine and bcurtiswx_
[18:35] <bcurtiswx_> rebooting to test nautilus rebuild
[19:05] <pitti> good night everyone
[19:06] <kenvandine> good night pitti
[19:11] <seb128> 'night pitti
[19:12] <kenvandine> seb128, my libgwibber build is dep wait for gir1.2-dee-0.5 which is in universe, can you promote that for me? or do i need an archive admin?
[19:20] <seb128> kenvandine, you need an archive admin but I'm one ;-)
[19:20] <kenvandine> oh, hehe :)
[19:20] <kenvandine> once libgwibber builds there will be some binNEW too
[19:20] <micahg> doesn't that need an MIR?
[19:20] <seb128> kenvandine, I will promote it, should take some 2 hours time for it to be published and start building though
[19:20] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, will do that as well
[19:20] <kenvandine> cool
[19:20] <seb128> micahg, it's a binary of a source in main
[19:20] <micahg> seb128: ah, ok
[19:33] <lamalex> is there any way to get natty to stop opening links in firefox when it's not set as the default browser
[19:33] <lamalex> it's driving me nu
[19:33] <lamalex> s
[19:33] <lamalex> ts
[19:35] <seb128> lamalex, edit /usr/share/applications/defaults.list
[19:35] <seb128> then run update-desktop-database
[19:36] <seb128> you want to change the http handler in there
[19:37] <lamalex> thanks
[19:38] <seb128> yw
[19:40] <lamalex> :\ not working
[19:40] <seb128> no way
[19:40] <seb128> what did you do exactly?
[19:41] <lamalex> sudo emacs /usr/share/applications/defaults.list, removed all instances of firefox.desktop, ran update-desktop-database
[19:41] <lamalex> clicked a link
[19:41] <lamalex> and it opened in firefox
[19:42] <lamalex> and I checked .local/share which has 1 entry for chrome as text/html
[19:44] <seb128> lamalex, you should have replaced firefox by your browser
[19:44] <seb128> if you don't set a default it will pick randomly one
[19:44] <lamalex> seb128, sorry, I did that
[19:44] <lamalex> i forgot to say that they were already like =firefox.desktop;google-chrome.desktop
[19:44] <lamalex> so I just removed firefox
[19:44] <seb128> lamalex, did you run sudo update-desktop-database on the directory?
[19:44] <lamalex> yah
[19:45] <lamalex> on the directory?
[19:45] <seb128> you edited the x-scheme-handler lines right?
[19:45] <seb128> yes
[19:45] <seb128> sudo u-d-d /usr/share/applications
[19:46] <lamalex> you didn't say to run it with a path, but i just did and still no change
[19:46] <seb128> the mimeinfo.cache
[19:46] <lamalex> http://pastebin.com/ZdP2SMyW
[19:46] <seb128> what line does it have for x-scheme-handler
[19:46] <lamalex> that's my defaults.list
[19:47] <seb128> what about the .cache?
[19:47] <lamalex> google-chrome.desktop;firefox.desktop;
[19:48] <seb128> nothing in .local/share/applications?
[19:48] <seb128> grep x-scheme-handler .local/share/applications
[19:50] <lamalex> seb128, like I said there's only 1 entry in that file and it's chrome
[19:51] <seb128> ok, dunno then
[19:51] <seb128> it works for everybody else who tried
[19:52] <lamalex> hm
[19:52] <lamalex> is the bug fixed for setting it from the prefs?
[19:52] <seb128> no, the capplet doesn't handle the new system
[19:53] <seb128> but changes the defaults.list should do it
[19:53] <seb128> changing
[19:53] <seb128> not sure why it doesn't work for you
[21:59] <jasoncwarner> morning eastern edition folks....meeting time.
[21:59]  * bryceh waves
[22:00] <jasoncwarner> bryceh: TheMuso: robert_ancell RAOF
[22:00] <jasoncwarner> you guys around?
[22:00] <jasoncwarner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-01-04
[22:00] <TheMuso> yep
[22:00] <bryceh> is RAOF on vacation?
[22:00] <jasoncwarner> morning, bryceh
[22:00] <jasoncwarner> bryceh: I think you are right
[22:00] <bryceh> heh, for a change ;-)
[22:01] <TheMuso> Internal server error...
[22:01] <jasoncwarner> zing!
[22:01] <TheMuso> hrm worked second ime.
[22:01] <TheMuso> time
[22:01] <jasoncwarner> TheMuso: refresh...the magic button!
[22:01] <jasoncwarner> alright...we'll see if robert_ancell is around in a bit, but lets get started
[22:02] <jasoncwarner> first off, Happy New year!
[22:02] <jasoncwarner> I hope everyone had a great break and new year.
[22:02] <jasoncwarner> and I hope everyone is well rested for the rally!!!
[22:02] <jasoncwarner> :)
[22:02] <jasoncwarner> ok...jumping straight in...
[22:03] <jasoncwarner> please be sure to update the wiki with your notes
[22:03] <jasoncwarner> and [TOPIC] X.org
[22:03] <bryceh> ok
[22:03] <jasoncwarner> bryceh: take it away?
[22:04] <bryceh> we're at a decision point on xserver 1.9 vs. 1.10.  RAOF and I just need to touch base and make sure we're in consensus
[22:04] <bryceh> there were some last minute bits and pieces that slipped in for 1.10, we need to make sure it's nothign too scary
[22:04] <bryceh> with that decided, probably next monday I guess, we'll start the mega merge of new X bits and pieces
[22:05] <jasoncwarner> just in time for the rally..perfect ;) you guys sure do know how to plan it!
[22:05] <bryceh> http://www.bryceharrington.org/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/versions-current.html
[22:05] <bryceh> not a lot of stuff needing merged right at the moment but I think X.org will start pumping out driver releases and stuff in the coming month or two
[22:06] <bryceh> X.org bugs - we're in surprisingly good shape
[22:06] <bryceh> http://www.bryceharrington.org/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/totals-natty-workqueue.svg
[22:06] <bryceh> that shows there are only 3 known bugs reported against natty that we need to do something about
[22:06] <bryceh> one of which is just "merge new ati driver"
[22:07] <bryceh> really nice that we're staying atop the bugs this time through.  We'll see how long that lasts
[22:07] <bryceh> the most commonly reported issue is perhaps worth a bit of discussion
[22:07] <bryceh> it's not really an X bug, but people think it is
[22:07] <bryceh> when you make a USB LiveCD (for testing), you can create a persistent thingee, to store docs and stuff
[22:08] <bryceh> people think that this means they can also install updated drivers, such as -nvidia and -fglrx
[22:08] <bryceh> however, those types of drivers require changes to files outside the persistent storage area, which apparently are writable but don't persist across boot
[22:08] <bryceh> so installing -nvida or -fglrx on a USB Live environment is *not* supported
[22:09] <jasoncwarner> is that a widespread expectation?
[22:09] <bryceh> we've gotten more bug reports filed about that than all other natty X.org bug reports combined, I'd estimate
[22:09] <jasoncwarner> seems education might be the safest route on that one for now unless it is rather trivial to conjure up a solution to that
[22:09] <bryceh> my thinking is perhaps we could have Jockey detect if it's running in a LiveCD environment and not offer to install drivers
[22:10] <bryceh> I think that would prevent the issue for 99% of the time
[22:10] <jasoncwarner> well, then they wouldn't get to test Unity or something ...right? maybe just a warning dialog that says 'this will not persist past this session...'
[22:10] <jasoncwarner> ?
[22:10] <Sarvatt> those drivers require a reboot to work
[22:10] <bryceh> well, for -nvidia and -fglrx you *have* to reboot for the drivers to get loaded
[22:11]  * kenvandine is just excited to be able to run unity in virtualbox :)
[22:11] <bryceh> ok, enough on that topic
[22:11] <jasoncwarner> yeah
[22:11] <jasoncwarner> kenvandine: indeed!
[22:11] <bryceh> last bit, I've been working on major improvements to the apport hook for xorg
[22:12] <bryceh> and am working with the compiz/dx team to share efforts with them, which I hope will help in diagnosing unity/compiz driver-ish bugs
[22:12] <jasoncwarner> oh, nice
[22:12] <bryceh> jasoncwarner, ok I think that's everything for X.
[22:12] <jasoncwarner> Great, thanks bryceh
[22:12] <jasoncwarner> ok...
[22:12] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] AOB?
[22:13] <jasoncwarner> alright then!
[22:14] <jasoncwarner> again, don't forget to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-01-04 with your notes for the week.
[22:14] <jasoncwarner> and, robert_ancell, happy new year!
[22:14] <TheMuso> I'll ask on the platform list, but is there anybody here who gets into Dallas around 15:10 or so on Sunday afternoon?
[22:14] <jasoncwarner> TheMuso: let me check my itin
[22:14]  * TheMuso arrives into Dallas then and would like to hook up for transport to the hotel.
[22:16] <jasoncwarner> [END MEETING]
[22:16] <jasoncwarner> TheMuso: it looks like I get in @ 1655 on sunday.
[22:16] <TheMuso> ah ok
[22:17] <TheMuso> I'll ask on the platform/dx lists then, thanks.
[22:19] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner, cheers!
[22:22] <bryceh> thanks
[22:26] <TheMuso> /c/c