[10:12] <udienz> Asia - Oceania RMB Meeting now?
[10:15] <udienz> nobuto, there?
[10:15] <nobuto> udienz: yes.
[10:16] <udienz> nobuto, AORMB meeting now?
[10:16] <head_victim> udienz: if you know who the board are try pinging them I guess.
[10:17] <udienz> head_victim, ok
[10:17] <udienz> elky, ejat?
[10:17] <nobuto> udienz: no activities yet.
[10:17] <elky> hi
[10:19] <elky> persia, lifeless, freeflying?
[10:24] <nigelb> elky: lifeless said g'nite a while back.  I suspect he's out.
[10:25] <elky> sigh.
[10:25] <elky> i can't remember the nicks of the others on the board
[10:27] <head_victim> elky: from the launchpad page it's persia, ejat, vantrax, lifeless, freeflying, amachu and yourself
[10:28] <elky> ok, so that's why. i thought i was remembering nicks wrong; they're just not on
[10:28] <head_victim> Apparently not :/
[10:28] <nigelb> No.  They're not.
[10:28]  * ejat pinging everybody .. 
[10:28] <elky> ejat, tried. just you and me so far
[10:29] <maqtanim> hi elky , ejat
[10:29] <maqtanim> i was in the last meeting
[10:29] <maqtanim> and i was approved by you guys
[10:29] <maqtanim> but did not get any email from ubuntu
[10:30] <maqtanim> about the membership
[10:30] <nigelb> maqtanim: launchpad ID?
[10:30] <maqtanim> will it take longer time?
[10:30] <udienz> maqtanim, what your lp id?
[10:30] <head_victim> Sounds like time to set up a mailing list approval, makes sense if you can do it from applicant's wikis and questions.
[10:30] <maqtanim> https://launchpad.net/~adnan.quaium
[10:30] <head_victim> Just got to get enough to turn up to agree to it ;)
[10:31] <udienz> maqtanim, try to send adnan.quaium@ubuntu.com
[10:32] <maqtanim> udienz, I tried
[10:32] <maqtanim> but it fails
[10:32] <maqtanim> seems that the RegionalBoards approved me
[10:32] <elky> launchpad is timing out on every second pageload at the moment. can someone check that he got added to the team?
[10:32] <maqtanim> but I was not approved by ubuntu
[10:33] <nigelb> elky: He wasn't
[10:33] <nigelb> I don't see ubuntumembers in his team list.
[10:33] <elky> i sent emails to the board list. ejat are you having more luck with launchpad?
[10:36] <ejat> added ..
[10:36] <maqtanim> ejat thanks :)
[10:37] <ejat> welcome ..
[10:38] <elky> maqtanim, it won't happen automatically, you may need to wait a week or so for the import to happen
[10:38] <ejat> elky: only we both again today?
[10:38] <elky> ejat, sadly yes
[10:38] <ejat> ouch ..
[10:38] <maqtanim> elky... hmmm... it's about 14 days since the last meeting :)
[10:39] <elky> maqtanim, yes, but there's not enough board members for quorum
[10:39] <maqtanim> yeah ... i saw that...
[10:40] <maqtanim> not everyone can make for this meeting :(
[10:40] <maqtanim> well... actually how many members are there in this board?
[10:42] <udienz> maqtanim, 16
[10:42] <udienz> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-membership-board-asia-oceania
[10:42] <elky> udienz, no there's not.
[10:42] <maqtanim> udienz i dont think so
[10:43] <elky> there's 7 on the board.
[10:43] <udienz> ups sorry
[10:43] <maqtanim> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-membership-board-asia-oceania/+members
[10:43] <maqtanim> only 8 are there
[10:44] <maqtanim> but I see only elky and ejat regularly in this board-meeting
[10:50] <nigelb> and persia too actually.
[10:50] <elky> It's a bad time of the year for working around commitments.
[11:02] <udienz> it's up..
[11:03] <maqtanim> udienz i think you can try with other regional boards
[11:03] <udienz> maqtanim, yes, i try to European Membership board
[11:04] <maqtanim> at UTC 8pm there is another meeting
[11:05] <udienz> maqtanim, 4 AM in Indonesia :(
[11:05] <maqtanim> :(
[11:05] <maqtanim> that's not so suitable time :(
[11:06] <udienz> maqtanim, no problem. i will try wo wake up
[11:07] <maqtanim> wish you good luck
[11:07] <maqtanim> :)
[11:07] <udienz> maqtanim, thank you
[11:08] <maqtanim> elky, ejat
[11:08] <maqtanim> I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[11:08] <maqtanim> should be updated
[11:08] <maqtanim> it still shows the meeting date is Dec 7 2010
[11:09] <maqtanim> people will be get easily confused
[11:13] <diwic> the ubuntu-audio-dev meeting the should have started 12 minutes ago is cancelled, since I was the only one showing up.
[11:13] <diwic> so feel free to keep talking :-)
[11:15] <ejat> owh .. sorry diwic ..
[11:15] <diwic> no worries :-)
[11:16] <ejat> wiki updated ...
[15:58] <ttx> o/
[15:58] <kirkland> \o
[15:58] <JamesPage> o/
[15:59] <hggdh> ~ô~
[15:59] <robbiew> *\o/*
[15:59] <ttx> happy new year to everyone !
[15:59] <smoser> o/
[16:00] <Daviey> o/
[16:00] <Daviey> happy new year ttx!
[16:00] <hggdh> ding-o-bell, and etc
[16:01] <Daviey> hmm
[16:02]  * Daviey looks at the mins from last meeting
[16:02] <Daviey> Announce next meeting date and time
[16:02] <Daviey>     Tuesday, January 11 2011 16:00 UTC
[16:02] <ivoks> happy new year :)
[16:02] <Daviey> Technically we don't have a meeting this week :/
[16:02] <hggdh> heh
[16:02] <Daviey> but I'm not sure there will be a meeting next week... so..
[16:03] <hggdh> so are you going to #startmeeting?
[16:03] <Daviey> hallyn, I think you are chair?
[16:03] <hallyn> i deny everything
[16:03] <SpamapS> smoser
[16:03] <zul> hi
[16:03] <Daviey> SpamapS, You were the last chair?
[16:03] <smoser> i did the one before Christmas.
[16:03] <zul> i think its me
[16:04]  * Daviey agrees.. lets get rocking.
[16:04] <zul> #startmeeting
[16:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:04. The chair is zul.
[16:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:04] <SpamapS> ahh I think if you forget to update the wiki you have to do it again ;)
[16:04] <zul> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:05] <zul> robbiew: how is the wiki gardening coming?
[16:05] <robbiew> done!
[16:05] <zul> oooh...neat
[16:05] <robbiew> however I do need to update the Roadmap
[16:05] <zul> heh....good luck on that :)
[16:05] <robbiew> ...but first I need to figure that out
[16:06] <zul> ok...Daviey were you able to reproduce bug 661294
[16:06] <zul> im thinking not because it was christmas last week
[16:06] <Daviey> negative, one of our team has expert knowledge of NFS... i think it might be better to try and do it next week TBH.
[16:06] <zul> cool
[16:07] <zul> hggdh: i think bug #684304 is fixed now correct?
[16:07] <Daviey> hggdh, ^^?
[16:07] <hggdh> zul: seems to be -- I was able to have the discs
[16:07] <hggdh> BUT
[16:07] <zul> hggdh: if you are around
[16:07] <hggdh> be aware of bug 694772
[16:08] <hggdh> *NO* server ISOs work currently
[16:08] <zul> wth?
[16:08]  * hggdh wonders if UEC will ever be tested this cycle :-(
[16:08] <Daviey> hggdh, I have tested it on non cciss hardware :P
[16:08] <zul> so have i :)
[16:09] <Daviey> !
[16:09] <zul> hmm...ok
[16:09] <JamesPage> hggdh: I think that bug 694772 is also effecting all of the automated server iso tests as well
[16:09] <hggdh> Daviey: the cciss module has been, er, deprecated on Natty
[16:09] <zul> smoser: to write a blog entry on how to use grub 'fallback' with our images.
[16:09] <smoser> hm... yeah, i did not do that.
[16:09] <zul> heh christmas got in the way right?
[16:10] <smoser> so carry it over. i want to still do it.
[16:10] <zul> gotcha
[16:10] <zul> ok then..
[16:10] <zul> [TOPIC] Natty Development
[16:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty Development
[16:11] <zul> i was looking at the burndown charts and i think we are a bit behind...robbiew do you want to mention anything?
[16:11] <robbiew> heh...yeah...update work items!!!
[16:11] <robbiew> ...and that we'll review things next week
[16:11] <robbiew> move and make cuts where necessary
[16:11] <SpamapS> sorry had to go afk for a minute,
[16:11] <zul> personally i intend to work on some openstack items this week hopefully
[16:12] <SpamapS> Also we should probably be mindful of the amount of scope creep
[16:12] <SpamapS> I noticed alpha2 just had a ton of DONE stuff added right before the break
[16:12] <zul> right
[16:13] <zul> so yeah regularily update your work items or robbiew will hunt you down with an ice pick
[16:13] <zul> anyone have anything else?
[16:13] <zul> guess not
[16:13] <zul> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:14] <zul> hi hggdh how was your holidays?
[16:14] <hggdh> not as good, ran some tests on the new kernel and hit the block on libc6 update
[16:14] <zul> *sigh*
[16:15] <hggdh> so no news (apart from my comments above)
[16:15] <zul> anyone have any questions for hggdh?
[16:15] <zul> ok moving on
[16:15] <hggdh> I just want to make clear that UEC has *NOT* been tested, at all, so far
[16:15] <SpamapS> one question
[16:15] <zul> yeah its unfortunate that the test rig has had so many problems
[16:16] <hggdh> SpamapS: shoot, sir
[16:16] <SpamapS> what happened to server papercuts?
[16:16] <SpamapS> I know ttx has moved on and doesn't have as much time for us anymore, but are we going to try and do some this cycle?
[16:16] <Daviey> ttx tradionally drove them :)
[16:16] <zul> SpamapS: we might want to bring it up next week and do it later in the cycle
[16:17] <ttx> hm
[16:17] <ttx> It didn't work well as a way to encourage community to participate to ubuntu server
[16:17] <ttx> If you want to continue it I think it needs to be revamped
[16:17] <Daviey> but it was successful in getting bugs squashed :)
[16:17] <zul> ttx: right but it did get some exposure with little bugs
[16:18] <ttx> maybe we should just be using the bitesize tag
[16:18] <Daviey> ... i think the ~canonical-server 2/3 bugs each mandate needs revisiting tbh
[16:18] <zul> right...
[16:18] <SpamapS> or just fixing them in larger bug pushes later in the cycle
[16:18] <ttx> I don't think we need to redo the whole subcycle nominations shebang
[16:19] <Daviey> That is one sure way of the "best" ones being picked by those that perhaps are already involved.
[16:19] <zul> ok
[16:20] <zul> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:20] <smb> I successfully managed to forget about all my work related problems. So if you still have some, I need to be reminded. Still need to get back at the buglist but did not get to it, yet.
[16:20] <zul> smb: i just have one to bring up
[16:20] <smoser> we get old bugs squashed for free now with the dhobach patch pilot :)
[16:20]  * Daviey hugs dholbach
[16:20] <smb> zul, sure post the bug number
[16:20] <zul> smb: bug #693042
[16:21] <zul> smb: heh i was just looking for it
[16:21] <zul> ara brought that up i think she is going to bring it up again in the kernel team as well
[16:21] <smb> Hm without time to look very deep
[16:22] <zul> right...she just brought it up today
[16:22] <smb> So, I look at that later for more info
[16:22] <hggdh> it *may* be related to the sudden reboot thingy
[16:23] <zul> anyone else?
[16:23] <smoser> just for record
[16:23] <smoser> natty bugs for ec2:
[16:23] <smoser>  684875 Patch to Natty 2.6.37-virtual breaks non-EC2 users
[16:23] <smoser>  686692 natty kernel does not boot on ec2 t1.micro
[16:23] <smoser> and then, one that i'd  like to see smb's thoughts on
[16:23] <smb> hggdh, zul It looks like it even might be some fallout of memory corruption/use after free
[16:23] <smoser> maverick: 614853 kernel panic divide error: 0000 [#1] SMP
[16:24] <smoser> bug 614853 seems to be an upstream bug, but is hitting on ec2 more commonly than elsewhere. hard to reproduce.
[16:26] <zul> anyone else?
[16:27] <Daviey> nope!
[16:27] <zul> k
[16:27] <zul> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[16:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[16:27] <zul> hi sommer around?
[16:28] <Daviey> (Considering this meeting is technically unscheduled, he has a valid excuse) :)
[16:28] <zul> right...
[16:28] <zul> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0)
[16:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0)
[16:28] <zul> hi kim0
[16:28] <SpamapS> unscheduled?
[16:29] <robbiew> unscheduled?
[16:29] <SpamapS> NEXT MEETING: Tuesday 2011-01-04 at 1600 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting - AGENDA
[16:29] <SpamapS> kim0 just left
[16:29] <robbiew> Daviey: does sommer need an invite?
[16:29] <SpamapS> sommer came two meetings ago
[16:30] <Daviey> SpamapS, Ah, in the meeting logs:
[16:30] <SpamapS> he was away for a while on honeymoon and starting a new job
[16:30] <Daviey> Announce next meeting date and time
[16:30] <Daviey>     Tuesday, January 11 2011 16:00 UTC
[16:30] <SpamapS> Daviey: doh!
[16:30] <smoser> the Canonical server team will be Sprinting next week
[16:30] <smoser> we'll still plan for same time ?
[16:31] <zul> i dont see why not
[16:31] <hggdh> we might as well, the community is still there
[16:31] <zul> but i guess kim0 is not around either
[16:31] <SpamapS> Could we do it UDS style and just stream the room?
[16:31] <Daviey> kim0 did join just before the meeting started :/
[16:31] <kirkland> zul: Daviey: SpamapS: i wonder if we should plan to have a somewhat regular cobbler update here ... ?
[16:32] <Daviey> kirkland, That sounds good.
[16:32] <kirkland> since there are several people working on that, and people in the community interested
[16:32] <SpamapS> kirkland: I'll 3rd that idea.
[16:32] <Daviey> kirkland, Starting next week :)
[16:32] <kirkland> i probably should have brought that up in the development topic section
[16:32] <zul> kirkland: sure...bring it it up in the open discussion stuff that is next
[16:32] <kirkland> but decided to wait for open discussion
[16:32] <kirkland> zul: oh?  this isn't open discussion?  :-)
[16:32] <zul> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[16:32] <kirkland> \o/
[16:32] <kirkland> Cobbler!
[16:32] <zul> now it is...
[16:32] <zul> so yeah cobbler
[16:33] <zul> the canonical server team has been beating cobbler into shape
[16:33] <kirkland> we have alpha-quality packages in a PPA
[16:33] <kirkland> and a bzr branch
[16:33] <kirkland> (imported original source from git)
[16:34] <kirkland> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt/+archive/ppa
[16:34] <zul> and how functional is it right now?
[16:34] <kirkland> though i see that package is pretty old (last built 12/13)
[16:34] <kirkland> zul: only so-so functional
[16:34] <kirkland> zul: still takes some tweaking
[16:34] <SpamapS> Also I believe the bulk of the changes have been accepted upstream.
[16:34] <kirkland> zul:  you were going to update our bzr snapshot ... what are we on now?
[16:34] <SpamapS> just some of the packaging-specific stuff is left
[16:35] <zul> kirkland: the snapshot has to be updated, debian and ubuntu support have been accepted upstram and i fixed the tftpboot problem which also been accepted upstream as well
[16:35] <kirkland> zul: that rocks
[16:35] <kirkland> SpamapS: same to you
[16:36] <kirkland> zul: SpamapS: Daviey: safe to say we'll work together on it next week
[16:36] <Daviey> ack!
[16:36] <kirkland> and try to push it into the archive
[16:36] <zul> what needs to be done is the mirroring stuff and uploading the package
[16:36] <kirkland> and then we can ask people to start testing from that
[16:36] <kirkland> zul: okay
[16:36] <kirkland> I'm bringing 2 machines and a router to the sprint, which we can work from
[16:37] <kirkland> perhaps hallyn and/or Daviey can bring 1 or 2 crash-and-burn boxes?
[16:37] <hallyn> i've got one, yeah
[16:37] <hallyn> sort of hoping i can get someone to drive it back for me at the end :)
[16:38] <JamesPage> kirkland: I can bring an extra with me (ex ttx stock :-))
[16:38]  * ttx misses his UEC laptops. My desk doesn't look liek a trader's desk anymore
[16:38] <Daviey> I would like to avoid brining excess hardware this time TBH.
[16:38] <Daviey> Want to try and travel light if i can.
[16:38] <zul> right
[16:38] <kirkland> JamesPage: sweet, thanks
[16:38] <JamesPage> np
[16:39] <zul> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[16:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
[16:39] <kirkland> Daviey: understood
[16:39] <Daviey> Although can access it all remotely if needed.
[16:39] <zul> still the same time next week?
[16:40] <zul> or do people want to skip it
[16:40] <hallyn> i think they were saying hold it next week
[16:40] <Daviey> robbiew, What are your thoughts?
[16:40] <SpamapS> Lets have it next week
[16:40] <zul> ok
[16:40] <SpamapS> and we can maybe ask elmo if he'd be ok with ustreaming it
[16:41] <robbiew> hold it
[16:41] <zul> thanks
[16:41] <zul> #endmeeting
[16:41] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:41.
[16:41] <robbiew> ustreaming is optional ;)
[16:41]  * Daviey will need a haircut then.
[16:41] <zul> thanks for coming
[16:41] <zul> ill need to wear clothes
[16:41] <Daviey> (ACTION)
[16:42] <hallyn> at least a bathrobe
[16:42] <Daviey> ...
[16:42] <hggdh> a bit more, temp is expected to be on freezing as high next week
[16:44] <zul> seriously?
[16:44] <hggdh> serious. the artic cold front will hit us on Sunday evening/monday morning
[16:45] <hggdh> (so far, a balmy +10C)
[16:45] <hggdh> and... if we have snow... you will be able to see how Dallas drive on it
[16:46] <hggdh> which is to say, crashes all around
[16:48] <zul> hggdh: thats actually quite warm
[16:48] <hggdh> for you, yes :-)
[16:55]  * ara waves
[16:55] <smb> Hey ara
[16:57] <JFo> o/
[16:59] <cking> o/
[17:00] <smb> \o
[17:01] <bjf> #
[17:01] <bjf> # lets "get 'er done"!
[17:01] <bjf> #
[17:01] <bjf> #startmeeting
[17:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:01. The chair is bjf.
[17:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:01] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:01] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[17:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[17:01] <bjf> #
[17:01] <bjf> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[17:01] <bjf> #
[17:01] <bjf> i'd like to be the first to welcome sforshee to the team!
[17:02] <JFo> welcome sforshee! :)
[17:02] <cking> welcome sforshee
[17:02]  * tgardner welcomes everyone back after the holiday break.
[17:03] <bjf> [TOPIC] ARM Status (bjf)
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Status (bjf)
[17:03] <bjf> Nothing new
[17:03] <bjf> ..
[17:03] <bjf> [TOPIC] Release Metrics (JFo)
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release Metrics (JFo)
[17:03] <JFo> Release Meeting Bugs (6 bugs, 14 Blueprints)
[17:03] <JFo> [17:03] <JFo>  * 1 linux kernel bugs (no change)
[17:03] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)
[17:03] <JFo>  * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)
[17:03] <JFo> [17:03] <JFo>  * 12 linux kernel bugs (up 1)
[17:03] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)
[17:03] <JFo>  * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)
[17:03] <JFo> [17:03] <JFo>  * 5 blueprints (Including HWE Blueprints)
[17:03] <tgardner> except that it look like we'll start supplying an omap3 natty kernel.
[17:03] <JFo> [17:03] <JFo>  * 56 Linux Bugs (up 2)
[17:03] <JFo> [17:03] <JFo>  * 97 Linux Bugs (down 14)
[17:03] <JFo> [17:03] <JFo>  * [[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on | Bugs with Patches]]
[17:03] <JFo>  * [[http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/ | Breakdown by status]]
[17:03] <JFo> ..
[17:04] <bjf> tgardner, noted
[17:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo)
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo)
[17:05] <JFo> nothing to report.
[17:05] <JFo> ..
[17:05] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling
[17:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling
[17:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Kernel Configuration Review (apw)
[17:05] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-config-review
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Kernel Configuration Review (apw)
[17:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-config-review
[17:05] <apw> PV on HVM support (XEN_PCI_PLATFORMDEV) testing is still pending for natty-alpha-2.  The only other remaining action here currently is to report on the final config at beta time, this is waiting on the final kernel version.
[17:05] <apw> ..
[17:06] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Enhancements to the firmware test suite (cking)
[17:06] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-firmware-test-suite-enhancements
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Enhancements to the firmware test suite (cking)
[17:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-firmware-test-suite-enhancements
[17:06] <cking> Nothing to report
[17:06] <cking> ..
[17:06] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Handling of Deviations from Standard Kernels (smb)
[17:06] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-frankenkernel-maintenance
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Handling of Deviations from Standard Kernels (smb)
[17:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-frankenkernel-maintenance
[17:06] <smb> I got a little farther with the tool by now. Detection seems to work. The output needs a bit of polish still.
[17:06] <smb> ..
[17:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Review of the Stable Maintenance Process (sconklin / bjf)
[17:07] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-process-review
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Review of the Stable Maintenance Process (sconklin / bjf)
[17:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-process-review
[17:07] <sconklin> The new cadence is working pretty well, but we continue to address issues as they arise. These mostly have to do with
[17:07] <sconklin> insuring adequate communication between various teams. I'm concerned that thw two-week cycle may not leave us enough
[17:07] <sconklin> time for exceptions and tools development, and we will be discussing this at the platform rally next week.
[17:07] <sconklin> We're planning to begin a cycle by uploading new kernels this Friday, which will put us in verification phase during
[17:07] <sconklin> the rally.
[17:07] <sconklin> ..
[17:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Current -proposed testing by cert. team  (ara)
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Current -proposed testing by cert. team  (ara)
[17:08] <ara> bjf, little to report here, as the last -prop kernel was successfully tested and uploaded to -updates
[17:08] <ara> I wanted to report on our weekly testing
[17:09] <ara> We found this bug before the holidays:
[17:09] <ara> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/693042
[17:09] <ara> and it wasn't being worked upon since then, but I have seen that now apw is on it
[17:09] <apw> ara, that one is looking like it may be an issue with upstart, see comment #7
[17:09] <ara> apw, thanks!
[17:09] <tgardner> ara, I picked that up from your IRC chatter and notified apw
[17:09] <ara> apw, yes, I saw that bug
[17:09] <ara> tgardner, thanks
[17:10] <tgardner> ..
[17:10] <apw> ara do feel free to reach out and prod us direct on such things
[17:10] <apw> ..
[17:10] <ara> apw, I will try this week with the latest ISOs, although it seems it is still there
[17:10] <ara> ..
[17:10] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Ubuntu Kernel Delta Review (apw)
[17:10] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-ubuntu-delta-review
[17:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Ubuntu Kernel Delta Review (apw)
[17:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-ubuntu-delta-review
[17:11] <apw> 15 of the 19 personal patch reviews are now done.  All of the ubuntu drivers are now updated and reviewed.  Some work remains on compcache which is now superceeded by zram in staging, but some userspace work is required to switch to it.
[17:11] <apw> ..
[17:11] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Kernel Version and Flavours (apw)
[17:11] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-version-and-flavours
[17:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Kernel Version and Flavours (apw)
[17:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-version-and-flavours
[17:11] <apw> We are still working to determine how to provide omap3 kernels, testing is ongoing of a master based kernel.
[17:11] <apw> ..
[17:12] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Ecryptfs (jj)
[17:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Ecryptfs (jj)
[17:12] <jjohansen> Prototype is in progress, but isn't up yet.  It should be working in a day or two.  I started messing with putting the long names in the header but switched to xattrs due to the factors detailed below.
[17:12] <jjohansen> Storing long names in meta data is problematic for
[17:12] <jjohansen> • hardlinks - this can be handled somewhat by either allowing a single longname or by allowing multiple longnames as space allows
[17:12] <jjohansen> Fail over to storing long names in header
[17:12] <jjohansen> • long directory names - problematic.  There is no header for directories
[17:12] <jjohansen> • long symlink names - problematic.
[17:12] <jjohansen> • require update of header (reencryption) on rename
[17:12] <jjohansen> Fail over to storing long names in xattrs
[17:12] <jjohansen> • problematic for filesystems that don't support xattrs
[17:12] <jjohansen> • leaks fact that long name is present unless all files are given longname xattr
[17:12] <jjohansen> • requires update of xattr (reencryption) on rename
[17:12] <jjohansen> Combine current FNEK names and longnames requires encoding information to that a given name was long and stored differently, this leaks some information about the filename.  This leak provides more information than the xattr on the file, in that it provides information on which dentry is long when a file has multiple names.
[17:12] <jjohansen> hrmm that didn't paste nice :(
[17:13] <bjf> done?
[17:13] <jjohansen> ..
[17:13] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Natty (apw)
[17:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Natty (apw)
[17:13] <apw> The main distro kernel is now at 2.6.37-11.25 (v2.6.37-rc7 based).  v2.6.37-rc8 has already released and we are expecting v2.6.37-final shortly, we are planning one more upload before the Rally.
[17:13] <apw> ..
[17:15] <bjf> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf)
[17:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf)
[17:15] <sconklin> || Package                                   || Upd/Sec              || Proposed             ||  TiP || Verified ||
[17:15] <sconklin> ||                                           ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:15] <sconklin> || dapper   linux                            || 2.6.15.56            || 2.6.15.56            ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:15] <sconklin> ||                                           ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:15] <sconklin> || karmic   linux-ec2                        || 2.6.31-307.22        || 2.6.31-307.23        ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:15] <sconklin> || ---      linux                            || 2.6.31-22.69         || 2.6.31-22.70         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:15] <sconklin> ||                                           ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:15] <sconklin> || lucid    linux                            || 2.6.32.27.49         || 2.6.32.27.49         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:15] <sconklin> || ---      linux-meta-lts-backport-maverick || 2.6.35.22.34         || 2.6.35.23.35         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:15] <sconklin> || ---      linux-lts-backport-maverick      || 2.6.35-22.34~lucid1  || 2.6.35-23.41~lucid1  ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:15] <sconklin> || ---      linux-firmware                   || 1.34.1               || 1.34.2               ||    1 ||        0 ||
[17:15] <sconklin> ||                                           ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:15] <sconklin> || maverick linux                            || 2.6.35-24.42         || 2.6.35-903.20        ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:15] <sconklin> || ---      linux-ti-omap4                   || 2.6.35-903.19        || 2.6.35-903.20        ||    1 ||        0 ||
[17:15] <sconklin> || ---      linux-meta-linaro                || 2.6.35.1008.13       || 2.6.35.1010.14       ||    1 ||        0 ||
[17:15] <sconklin> || ---      linux-linaro                     || 2.6.35-1008.15       || 2.6.35-1010.17       ||    6 ||        0 ||
[17:15] <sconklin> || ---      linux-meta                       || 2.6.35.24.28         || 2.6.35.24.29         ||    3 ||        1 ||
[17:15] <sconklin> || ---      linux-firmware                   ||                      || 1.38.2               ||    2 ||        0 ||
[17:15] <sconklin> ||                                           ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:15] <sconklin> ..
[17:17] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[17:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[17:17] <JFo> Incoming Bugs
[17:17] <JFo>  57 Natty Bugs (up 19)
[17:17] <JFo>  1123 Maverick Bugs (down 4)
[17:17] <JFo>  1045 Lucid Bugs (down 51)
[17:17] <JFo> Current regression stats (broken down by release):
[17:17] <JFo> [17:17] <JFo>   * 25 maverick bugs (down 1)
[17:17] <JFo>   * 75 lucid bugs (down 1)
[17:17] <JFo>   * 6 karmic bugs (no change)
[17:17] <JFo>   * 0 hardy bugs (no change)
[17:17] <JFo> [17:17] <JFo>   * 188 maverick bugs (up 11)
[17:17] <JFo>   * 195 lucid bugs (down 3)
[17:17] <JFo>   * 39 karmic bugs (down 1)
[17:17] <JFo>   * 2 hardy bugs (no change)
[17:17] <JFo> [17:17] <JFo>   * 13 maverick bugs (no change)
[17:17] <JFo>   * 3 lucid bugs (no change)
[17:17] <JFo>   * 1 karmic bug (no change)
[17:17] <JFo> ..
[17:18] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[17:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[17:18] <JFo> The next bug day will be next week. As we are just returning from the holiday's and we are winding back up,
[17:18] <JFo> I'd like to focus on bugs in the new state and getting them moved in the appropriate direction. I'll send
[17:18] <JFo> the information out later today or tomorrow.
[17:18] <JFo> ..
[17:19] <bjf> [TOPIC] Triage Status (JFo)
[17:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Triage Status (JFo)
[17:19] <JFo> I am continuing testing on the script that replaces one tag with another. I should have it finished this week.
[17:19] <JFo> ..
[17:19] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:19] <tgardner> sconklin, why is linux-linaro in your maverick list? Its no longer supported by Linaro, and we sure as heck don't own it.
[17:20] <JFo> o/
[17:20] <sconklin> tgardner: tool failuer
[17:20] <bjf> heh
[17:20] <tgardner> ..
[17:20] <bjf> JFo, go
[17:20] <JFo> look forward to seeing all of you next week in Dallas!
[17:20] <JFo> :)
[17:20] <JFo> ..
[17:21] <bjf> thanks everyone
[17:21] <bjf> #endmeeting
[17:21] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:21.
[17:21] <JFo> thanks bjf
[17:21] <kamal> thanks bjf
[17:21] <cking> thanks, fast and efficient as ever
[19:31] <daker> @now
[19:54] <highvoltage>  * EMEA Membership Board meeting in around 5 minutes
[19:57]  * thorwil cheers for daker
[19:58] <highvoltage> you'll have to contain that excitement for just a bit longer :)
[20:00] <highvoltage> popey, czajkowski, ogra, drubin, stgraber: EMEA RMB meeting time
[20:00] <ogra> moop
[20:00]  * drubin is here
[20:00] <popey> o/
[20:00]  * stgraber waves
[20:01]  * popey clears out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA
[20:01] <popey> czajkowski is stuck in traffic so wont make it
[20:01] <drubin> wow much better!
[20:01] <popey> i got a text from her just now
[20:01] <ogra> slacker !
[20:01] <drubin> This seems like it is going to be a short one.
[20:01] <ogra> she needs a smartphone :)
[20:02] <highvoltage> really? even the dumbest of phones can do IRC these days :)
[20:03] <ogra> yeah, but typing on a numberpad is hard at decent speed
[20:03] <drubin> OT
[20:03] <popey> highvoltage: wanna chair?
[20:04] <highvoltage> ok, just don't sit on me
[20:04] <popey> heh
[20:04] <highvoltage> victorp doesn't seem to be present
[20:04] <victorp> i am here
[20:04] <highvoltage> ah! there you are, please introduce yourself
[20:04] <popey> hang on
[20:04] <popey> we going to use the bot?
[20:04] <victorp> hanging on
[20:04] <highvoltage> popey: no
[20:04] <victorp> :0
[20:05] <popey> oh, ok
[20:05] <highvoltage> victorp: please continue
[20:05] <popey> why?
[20:05] <victorp> Hi! My name is Victor Palau. Originally from Barcelona (Spain), now living in London.
[20:05] <victorp> I have been involved in Open Source previously in the mobile phone space. I started following the Ubuntu community when setting up the Symbian Foundation, and I developed a passion for how things were done in Ubuntu.
[20:05] <victorp> I recently joined Canonical (since Sept'10), and I am leading the team that is responsible for the Ubuntu Certified programme and also for the enablement of new hardware such as Sandybridge in Ubuntu. Recently involved on the SRU testing and Natty alpha1 across our HW lab.
[20:05] <victorp>  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VictorPalau
[20:05] <victorp> and that is me ;)
[20:05] <ogra> victorp, nice move to get ara and mdz to speak up for you :)
[20:05] <victorp> oh well, they are nice people
[20:05] <ogra> indeed
[20:06] <drubin> victorp: How were you involved with Ubuntu before September 2010 ?
[20:07] <victorp> as a user
[20:07] <victorp> not as a contributor really
[20:07] <victorp> i have blog about my experiences a bit
[20:07] <ogra> do you have a LP url that lists all pcert bugs ?
[20:07] <highvoltage> popey: if you prefer, we can, I don't see a particular need for it
[20:08] <popey> ok
[20:08] <victorp> ogra - hold on I will look
[20:08]  * ogra is fine without bot as long as someone manages to count 
[20:08] <victorp> ogra https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=pcert
[20:09] <victorp> also recently created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/certification
[20:09] <highvoltage> ogra: I'll use a calculator if I get stuck ;)
[20:09] <victorp> :)
[20:09] <drubin> victorp: Can you say a little about how you came to join Canonical and the Ubuntu Certified  program?
[20:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:09] <czajkowski> made,it
[20:09] <victorp> sure
[20:09] <victorp> I have been involved for a long time with Symbian
[20:09] <victorp> (the OS for phones)
[20:10] <victorp> and a few years back I was part of the team
[20:10] <victorp> that moved it to open source
[20:10] <highvoltage> victorp: you have great recommendations from Ara and Matt, and your recent work seems really great, but is there other Ubuntu specific work (as in, loco team involvement, any bug fixing, packaging, etc) that you have been involved in?
[20:10] <victorp> as part of doing so we look into how ubuntu does manage the projects
[20:10] <ogra> highvoltage, a buglist is above
[20:10] <victorp> that is how I started following it up and setup a bugsquad for that
[20:11] <victorp> highvoltage - not a really good programmer here :)
[20:11] <victorp> my strength is on testing and team management
[20:12] <ogra> how are your plans to involve the community more into certification ?
[20:12] <victorp> ogra - so I kept an eye for roles in Canonical that I could contribute more fultime
[20:12] <ogra> any creative ideas for the near future ?
[20:12] <popey> I would have expected more than 25 bugs reported for a bank of 200 machines being tested..?
[20:13] <victorp> ogra - I think we need to make sure we have a way for the community to provide feedback
[20:13] <victorp> popey - me too, that is one of my pet hates
[20:13] <victorp> ogra- we have setup a public lp project
[20:13] <ogra> ++
[20:13] <victorp> and we are planning to link from that to the certification pages
[20:13] <ogra> and make some noise in the community too
[20:13] <victorp> for example
[20:14]  * highvoltage has no further questions
[20:14] <ogra> i think the wikipage is a very good start
[20:14] <victorp> I bought a vostro 3300
[20:14] <victorp> and has a few bugs
[20:14] <victorp> so I add notes to the certification
[20:14] <victorp> but that is only because a I work there, I want to make sure that everyone in the community can provide that sort of feedback
[20:14] <ogra> ++
[20:15] <ogra> ok, i'm done with questions too
[20:15] <czajkowski> how woyld you go about gwtting community people involved
[20:15] <czajkowski> sorry on phone
[20:15] <victorp> ogra - would like ideas on how to make the right noise in the community about it!
[20:16] <ogra> create something like the hug-day programme
[20:16] <victorp> well - I think we need to make sure we reach the right people that
[20:16] <victorp> that was for czajkowski
[20:16] <victorp> :)
[20:16] <ogra> give people rewards (SWAG and the like) if they are really deeply involved etc
[20:16] <victorp> I found out that actually not many people know about certification
[20:17] <highvoltage> great. shall we vote?
[20:17] <victorp> so start by making sure that advocates of ubuntu know about it
[20:17] <czajkowski> ok
[20:17] <popey> ok
[20:17] <victorp> plan to keep blogging a
[20:17] <victorp> oops
[20:17] <drubin> yes ready to vote.
[20:17] <victorp> :)
[20:17] <stgraber> ready to vote
[20:17]  * victorp shuts up now
[20:17] <highvoltage> VOTE: victorp for Ubuntu membership, council members may vote -1 (against) / +0 (abstain) / +1 for
[20:18] <czajkowski> +0
[20:18] <popey> -1
[20:19] <highvoltage> +0 [ great work leading hardware certification team, but I'd like to see more depth and breadth of Ubuntu work ]
[20:19] <popey> I'd like to see more evidence of work done, and more community involvement
[20:19] <ogra> +0 ... i would be +1 for future plans and taking the community into account in a manager role where you not necessarily would need to, can you make that happen (or get started at it) and come back with some more under your belt ?
[20:19] <victorp> popey - could you give me some examples please?
[20:19] <stgraber> +0 [ you seem fairly new around here and I'd welcome wider participation within the Ubuntu community, keep up the great work ]
[20:20] <victorp> ogra - sure
[20:20] <drubin> +0 just not there yet. Can do more also with a bit more work I see this program taking off :)
[20:20] <highvoltage> it's also hard to judge work based on a team. the wiki page says "The Hardware Certification team does...", it's hard to add that to a person's contribution when it's not direct contributions listed
[20:20] <popey> victorp: well, I am unaware of any community involvement in the hct
[20:21] <ogra> highvoltage, well, he leads the team ...
[20:21] <highvoltage> ^^^ victorp, for next time, I hope you apply again
[20:21] <popey> i realise the testing team consists of some community people, but nothing more specific on your wiki page details what your team does with the community
[20:21] <highvoltage> ogra: then he could list what he did as a leader to make the team work better
[20:21] <ogra> leading it in the right direction is surely a good contribution if the result is a working cert programme with much community involvement
[20:22] <highvoltage> ogra: that team also appears to be an internal canonical team, it doesn't seem part of the Ubuntu project (please correct me if I'm wrong)
[20:22] <ogra> it certifies ubuntu
[20:22] <ogra> indeed its currently made of canonical employees
[20:22] <victorp> highvoltage - we run test on every SRU and weekly on natty for quality testing and we share this results with the community
[20:22] <ogra> but note that it exists for years already
[20:22] <victorp>  + certification
[20:23] <victorp> ogra ack
[20:23] <ogra> and now there seems to be a direction towards the community
[20:23] <ogra> so thats imho a valuable contribution if we can measure it
[20:23] <drubin> maybe we should side line this and move on?
[20:23] <highvoltage> victorp: I hope that you do get more involved or change your wiki page somewhat and re-apply, I do however stand by what I said. You sound like a great guy and I'm sure you'll get membership at some point
[20:24]  * drubin agrees with highvoltage
[20:24] <czajkowski> can we keep moving sorry we have a lot to get through
[20:24] <highvoltage> ogra: I'd like to discuss this with you, let's do that after the meeting if you have some time
[20:24] <victorp> thanks, I hope to apply again  ;)
[20:24] <victorp> thanks
[20:24] <ogra> highvoltage, sure
[20:25] <highvoltage> RESULT: -1, and we hope to see victorp apply again in the future after more contrubution
[20:25] <highvoltage> MichealH: you've been quiet today
[20:25] <drubin> I prefer the new bots syntax makes greping easier
[20:25] <highvoltage> MichealH: are you around?
[20:25] <MichealH> highvoltage: I have?
[20:25] <UndiFineD> \o/
[20:25] <MichealH> I am indeed
[20:26] <highvoltage> drubin: ok, next time you can chair
[20:26] <akshatj> good luck MichealH
[20:26] <MichealH> Shall I introduce myself?
[20:26] <MichealH> Hi Guys! I am Micheal Harker and I am here to go for Ubuntu Membership. I beleive that to keep Ubuntu Open Source, people ,like me should contribute to Ubuntu. I currently do and I am well noted for doing things for Ubuntu Tour and IRC in Gerneral. I hope that My request is enough to sustain the requirements to be a Member.
[20:26] <highvoltage> "people like me" - who are people like you?
[20:27] <MichealH> I am a team leader of Ubuntu Tour
[20:27] <drubin> highvoltage: I was implying you were the bot :) and I like your format. Think we should use it going forward seems easier then moot
[20:27] <highvoltage> drubin: ah, ok, I misunderstood :)
[20:27] <MichealH> highvoltage: People who get involved by organising teams and helping take on key roles in Teams
[20:27] <MichealH> Ddorda: Around?
[20:27] <Ddorda> ‎MichealH: indeed :)
[20:27] <MichealH> I have a few people to tell you guys how they feel about my contributions
[20:28] <highvoltage> MichealH: I browsed through the ubuntu tour content this morning, there's quite a lot of pages written about it already! it was quite impressive
[20:28] <MichealH> highvoltage: I made around 5 or 10 of them
[20:28] <Ddorda> ‎I'm here to support MichealH. i know him for long time and i can tell how active and useful he is. he always help where he can and contribute where ever he is needed
[20:29] <highvoltage> MichealH: the LP team lists that there are over 200 members in the team. how many of them are active? and have you had any problems so far in managing the team?
[20:29] <drubin> MichealH: are there any plans to get the project added to Ubuntu main archives instead of just a ppa
[20:30] <MichealH> highvoltage: I dont do much organisation stuff but I know at least 50 - 75 are active
[20:30] <UndiFineD> I am here to support MichealH as well, he is a good leader for Ubutu-Tour and he recently started contributing to SpeechControl
[20:30] <MichealH> drubin: We are hoping for it to be either added to Natty (Could be possible) But definatly in the future
[20:31] <MichealH> I also get involved in Speech Control
[20:31] <MichealH> Its a progect to help people with Disabilities to use the computer
[20:31] <MichealH> Im not a genious at programming but I am helping nonetheless
[20:31]  * popey goes 'eek' at the tutorial linked from your page about 64-bit flash
[20:32] <highvoltage> MichealH: the Ubuntu Youth wiki page says that the team is currently being revive the team?
[20:32] <czajkowski> MichealH: so before you were here and you were involved in Ubuntu youth? are you still invovled there?
[20:32] <czajkowski> MichealH: and to what level ?
[20:32] <MichealH> highvoltage: huh? Can you please be a little clearer?
[20:33] <highvoltage> MichealH: on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuYouth, it says under current tasks "Currently we are in the process of revamping the team's project(s), goals, and direction. When all is decided, the tasks and projects will be listed here."
[20:33] <MichealH> czajkowski: I was a leader but I stepped down, I am now a Member there and I help whenever someone shouts
[20:33] <czajkowski> MichealH: why did you step down ?
[20:33] <highvoltage> MichealH: are you involved with the revamping project, and if so what is your role(s) in that?
[20:33] <MichealH> highvoltage: Nope that is handled by the council
[20:34] <MichealH> czajkowski: Becuase people were loosing intrest. I was simply 'not ready' for leadership at that time
[20:34] <MichealH> And as you can see I am alot better at leading a project
[20:34] <czajkowski> well a project in many ways is like a team MichealH
[20:35] <MichealH> czajkowski: I understand that
[20:35] <highvoltage> any further questions?
[20:36] <MichealH> I, also have gotten my relatives intrested in Ubuntu
[20:36] <MichealH> My dad loves it!
[20:36] <MichealH> He likes how It is fast and especially Compiz ;)
[20:37] <highvoltage> ok, doesn't seem so
[20:37] <highvoltage> VOTE: MichaelH for Ubuntu membership, council members may vote -1 (against) / +0 (abstain) / +1 (for)
[20:37] <MichealH> I have tons of plans for the future but my main goal is to sustain contribution
[20:38] <popey> -1 I'm seeing plans and ideas but little actual evidence of work done for the project.
[20:38] <czajkowski> -1 I'd love to see you get work done but at present I don't see it.
[20:38] <stgraber> -1
[20:38] <highvoltage> +0 [ Great enthusiasm, but little documented contributions ]
[20:39] <ogra> +0 good enthusiasm, needs more evidence
[20:39] <MichealH> So I need to focus on my wikipage?
[20:39] <highvoltage> RESULT: -3
[20:39] <drubin> +0 [Need to actually record what you have done]
[20:39] <MichealH> Or just genearal evidence?
[20:39] <highvoltage> oh, sorry drubin I forgot about you
[20:39] <czajkowski> MichealH: it's not about the wiki, it's about doing items, rather than coming up with some good ideas.
[20:39] <ogra> well, you said you wrote about 10 pages on the tour already
[20:39] <drubin> MichealH: link to work you have done.. So we can click on the links and see
[20:39] <ogra> point to them ...
[20:39] <ogra> etc
[20:39] <MichealH> Can I geather some evidence?
[20:40] <highvoltage> MichealH: I nearly wanted to give you a +1 just based on that this is the... 4th time we see you?
[20:40] <popey> I'd also like some QA on your tutorials.
[20:40] <MichealH> highvoltage: Indeed
[20:40] <czajkowski> MichealH: sure can we talk to  you after the meeting, just we have a good few to get through tonight
[20:40] <MichealH> Okay
[20:40] <highvoltage> MichealH: but I think you need to take a step back and show some patience before applying again, and wait until you have more contributions
[20:40] <czajkowski> thank you
[20:40] <drubin> MichealH: Also non of your recomendations are from people in your current teams you list :)
[20:40] <MichealH> popey: Some QA?
[20:40] <popey> yes
[20:41] <popey> will talk later
[20:42] <highvoltage> stefano-palazzo doesn't seem to be around for now
[20:42] <highvoltage> ricotz doesn't seem to be around for now
[20:42] <highvoltage> daker: hi! please introduce yourself
[20:43] <daker> Hi, i am  Adnane Belmadiaf from Morocco, 22years old I'm a Web developer, I have been using Ubuntu since 2008 as my primary OS.. I am involved in different projects in the Ubuntu community.
[20:43] <thorwil> \o/
[20:43] <daker> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdnaneBelmadiaf
[20:44] <ogra> wow
[20:44] <highvoltage> yeah, exactly
[20:44]  * ogra is impressed by that amount of contributions 
[20:44] <daker> thank you
[20:44] <ogra> and by that proper list
[20:45] <highvoltage> I don't have any questions, is there any comments from any supporters or any questions before we vote?
[20:45] <czajkowski> yay testimonials :D
[20:45] <ogra> *and* by the testimonials
[20:45] <thorwil> just: hooray ;)
[20:45]  * ricotz is sorry
[20:45] <daker> ツ
[20:45] <ogra> no questions, that wikipage talks for itself
[20:45] <highvoltage> VOTE: daker for Ubuntu membership, council members may vote -1 (against) / +0 (abstain) / +1 (for)
[20:46] <ogra> +1
[20:46] <highvoltage> +1 [ clear sustained contributions, works well with other people ]
[20:46] <drubin> +1
[20:46] <popey> oooo
[20:46] <popey> +1
[20:46] <popey> easy
[20:46] <stgraber> +1
[20:46] <highvoltage> RESULT: +5
[20:46] <highvoltage> (if my math is right)
[20:46] <daker> Woo ツ
[20:46] <ogra> welcome daker
[20:46] <highvoltage> daker: congratulations and welcome!
[20:46] <popey> nice one!
[20:46] <thorwil> congratulations, daker! well deserved :)
[20:47] <daker> Yay
[20:47] <daker> thanks you all
[20:47] <charlie-tca> Congratulations, daker
[20:47] <drubin> congrats
[20:47]  * daker hugs you all
[20:47] <highvoltage> ricotz: hi! no problem :)
[20:47] <highvoltage> ricotz: would you like to introduce yourself?
[20:47] <ricotz> highvoltage, was pretty busy :(
[20:47] <popey> added drubin to ~ubuntumembers
[20:48] <ricotz> hello everyone, my name is Rico Tzschichholz and I am living in Germany.
[20:48] <drubin> wow bit late but thanks
[20:48] <czajkowski> +1
[20:48] <czajkowski> oi
[20:48] <czajkowski> can I vote
[20:48] <drubin> that was at popey :) not ricotz
[20:48] <highvoltage> czajkowski: that's for daker, right?
[20:48] <popey> oh, hang on
[20:48] <ogra> czajkowski, what do you pay ?
[20:48] <czajkowski> highvoltage: yes
[20:48] <popey> i meant daker :)
[20:48] <czajkowski> sorry
[20:48] <highvoltage> czajkowski: ok, adding it for the record
[20:48] <czajkowski> highvoltage: thank you!
[20:49] <ricotz> highvoltage, may i?
[20:49] <czajkowski> ricotz: you have some pretty good testimonials
[20:49] <czajkowski> well done
[20:50] <highvoltage> ricotz: hmm? feel free to say anything in suport of your application
[20:50] <ricotz> alright
[20:50] <ricotz> I am leading developer of Docky and managing the well known Gnome-Shell PPA.
[20:50] <ricotz> I also use every oportunity to convince people to use Ubuntu/linux and open source software like OpenOffice/LibreOffice.
[20:51] <ricotz> This year I also set up a small buisness IT infrastucture using Ubuntu Lucid and LTSP for a server/thinclient environment.
[20:51]  * drubin is happy to vote
[20:51] <ricotz> Further information on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ricotz + https://launchpad.net/~ricotz, as you may already looked at
[20:51] <highvoltage> ricotz: do you think there's a chance that gnome-shell will make it in to natty in time for release?
[20:51] <highvoltage> ricotz: if so, are you doing any work on that?
[20:52] <ricotz> highvoltage, very unlikey at this time, since the gnome 3 stack is in a bad condition
[20:52] <ogra> highvoltage, it has to, else the canonical PR team will suffer :P "yes you can easily switch from unity to gnome-shell" :P
[20:52] <ricotz> but there will be an official ppa which already exists
[20:52] <highvoltage> ogra: heh, nice :)
[20:53] <highvoltage> ok, any further questions?
[20:53]  * ogra has none
[20:53] <ogra> (i like the fact that someone uses LTSP in business (finally))
[20:53] <highvoltage> heh
[20:53] <ricotz> (yeah it works ;) )
[20:54] <highvoltage> ricotz: heh, you realise that stgraber and ogra is LTSP upstream? :P
[20:54] <highvoltage> VOTE: ricotz for Ubuntu membership, council members may vote -1 (against) / +0 (abstain) / +1 (for)
[20:54] <highvoltage> +1 [ great packaging / bug fixing work in an area that is much needed ]
[20:54] <ogra> +1 (not because of LTSP though) :)
[20:54] <drubin> +1 [Dev stuff but focused on community and getting other people invovled]
[20:54] <popey> +1 - great work providing great services for the community (and I like docky ;)
[20:55] <drubin> at least that is how it comes across. IMHO very good quality so well done ricotz
[20:55] <czajkowski> +1
[20:55] <czajkowski> well done
[20:55] <stgraber> +1
[20:55] <highvoltage> RESULT: +6
[20:55] <ricotz> thank you very much! all of you
[20:55] <highvoltage> ricotz: congratulations and welcome!
[20:56] <drubin> ricotz: Hope to see you continue doing what you are doing. Congrats
[20:56] <ricotz> highvoltage, ty
[20:56] <ogra> great to have you on board
[20:56] <charlie-tca> Congratulations, ricotz
[20:56] <popey> ricotz: added to ~ubuntumembers
[20:56] <highvoltage> udienz: You're up next, would you like to introduce yourself?
[20:56] <ricotz> drubin, ty, if my time schedule works ;)
[20:57] <highvoltage> (and tell us more about yourself)
[20:58] <highvoltage> udienz: are you around?
[20:59] <highvoltage> I'm surprised udienz doesn't apply for MOTU, he's done some nice bug fixing work in universe
[20:59] <czajkowski> well their wiki does say limited internet
[21:00] <ogra> yeah, he seeems to focus on ftbfs
[21:00] <ogra> thats rare and awesome
[21:00] <popey> yeah
[21:00] <popey> very much needed
[21:00] <czajkowski> ok so we can close meeting and let the CC start on time this month :)D
[21:00] <bioterror> he was online earlier, what a shame not now
[21:00] <popey> I've cleared out the wiki page but left udienz on the list for next time maybe
[21:00] <drubin> he says "he used mobile connections" so might be unstable
[21:00] <czajkowski> great
[21:01] <highvoltage> udienz: we're ending this meeting, feel free to apply next month. I suggest you consider applying for MOTU rights with the DMB in the meantime, which will automatically grant you membership as well.
[21:01] <popey> bah, wiki is broken
[21:01] <highvoltage> Thanks for attending everyone
[21:01] <drubin> thanks highvoltage for charing you did a great job.
[21:01] <popey> nice one highvoltage
[21:01] <drubin> chairing even.
[21:01] <highvoltage> I'll send results to all the relavant lists
[21:01] <highvoltage> Meeting adjourned
[21:01] <czajkowski> highvoltage: thanks for chairing
[21:01] <highvoltage> thanks :)
[21:01] <ogra> yeah, thanks
[21:02] <ogra> (and sorry for missing last month)
[21:02] <czajkowski> ogra: blame the iphone alarm :p
[21:02] <ogra> i blame vacation
[21:02] <ogra> i was forced to burn my vacation days (had left a full month)
[21:03] <czajkowski> ogra: jammy
[21:03] <ogra> was nice :)
[21:03] <czajkowski> highvoltage: *hugs*
[21:03] <pleia2> ok, time for the Community Council meeting :)
[21:03] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda/
[21:04] <pleia2> once again we don't have much of an agenda (the only item on it right now requires direct followup)
[21:05] <highvoltage> czajkowski: *hugs*
[21:05] <pleia2> so if there is anyone who wishes to bring anything up, you're welcome to, we don't have quorum to make decisions but it can be finished on list
[21:05] <charlie-tca> o/
[21:05] <charlie-tca> Do you have any status on Xubuntu Project Lead?
[21:06]  * pleia2 checks
[21:06] <highvoltage> pleia2: all I have is thank you for keeping CC things going and caring!
[21:07] <czajkowski> pleia2: does indeed rock
[21:08] <pleia2> charlie-tca: it looks like the CC only received one recommendation for leader
[21:08] <charlie-tca> Now what do I do?
[21:08] <pleia2> charlie-tca: I think from here we decide how to handle it, maybe just a vote of confidence vote from the xubuntu community?
[21:08] <charlie-tca> Do I ask them to approve it?
[21:08] <charlie-tca> Okay, Thanks
[21:09] <pleia2> the CC can approve, or the community can approve, I don't see a problem either way, you're the canididate and I don't think there will be problems with confirmation :)
[21:09] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I just need to get something formalized on it.
[21:09]  * pleia2 nods
[21:10] <pleia2> I'll follow up to the nomination email confirming what we just discussed here
[21:10] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[21:10] <pleia2> highvoltage: that reminds me, if you want to announce the new edubuntu council member, feel free to (I'll x-post to fridge)
[21:14] <highvoltage> pleia2: ok, great. I'm doing the e-mail right now
[21:16] <pleia2> charlie-tca: email sent :)
[21:16] <charlie-tca> Thank you very much
[21:24] <highvoltage> pleia2: e-mail sent
[21:25] <pleia2> highvoltage: oh! that's good too, but I actually meant the new *edubuntu council member* we installed last week :)
[21:26] <pleia2> Marc Gariepy
[21:26] <highvoltage> pleia2: oh, right. sorry my mind was kind of one-tracked on emea there for a moment :)
[21:27] <highvoltage> pleia2: ok, I'll post it on the Edubuntu blog and edubuntu-devel mailing list, sounds good?
[21:27] <pleia2> perfect
[21:27] <pleia2> I'll x-post your -devel mail to the fridge
[21:27] <highvoltage> perfect
[21:28] <pleia2> maybe also mention in the email that you moved to 2 year terms
[21:28] <pleia2> so we extended everyone (except nixternal)
[21:29] <highvoltage> Jordan Ericksson stepped down, but he sent the email in which he said so to the wrong person so no one ever got it :)
[21:29] <pleia2> doh
[21:29] <highvoltage> that means we'll be down from 6 council members to 5, which isn't a problem, but we should then bring our quorum down from 4 to 3
[21:29]  * pleia2 nods
[21:29] <pleia2> 5 is more standard anyway
[21:30] <pleia2> I seem to recall we did 6 because there were 6 nominees and they all got the same number of votes :)
[21:30] <highvoltage> indeed, and it gave us at least some redundency
[21:33] <pleia2> highvoltage: do you have a copy of Jordan's step down email? if so fowarding it to the CC would be great, then I can deactivate his membership in the team
[21:50] <highvoltage> pleia2: I didn't get the email (since he sent it to the wrong person), but he e-mailed the CC directly on 2010-12-09
[21:51] <pleia2> your latest email was sufficient, I'll deactivate tomorrow unless there are objections :)
[21:51] <pleia2> thanks
[21:51] <highvoltage> ok, thanks a lot
[21:52] <highvoltage> now I can finally tick the edubuntu council elections off from my todo list :)
[21:52] <pleia2> me too!
[21:53] <czajkowski> pleia2: re staffing of boards?
[21:53] <czajkowski> pleia2: any word?
[21:53] <pleia2> czajkowski: no word, looks like we got tied up in a boards discussion about merging boards
[21:53] <czajkowski> I definately would opose that
[21:54] <pleia2> now that the holidays are over we should try to push through that blocker
[21:54] <pleia2> czajkowski: the Merge RMBs thread was emailed to all the board lists, can you reply to the thread?
[21:54] <czajkowski> I thought I did...
[21:55] <pleia2> not seeing one
[21:55] <maco> nope
[21:55] <maco> just to the one about quorum being hard to get
[21:55] <maco> (from which the thread in question branched off)
[21:56] <pleia2> ah, yeah
[21:57] <czajkowski> done
[21:58] <pleia2> thanks :)
[21:58] <czajkowski> I'd have the conversation with people just not on the thread.
[21:59] <czajkowski> np
[21:59] <pleia2> I'll nudge people about moving forward this week, hopefully we can get at least a request for nominees mail out
[22:00] <czajkowski> nods
[22:01] <highvoltage> if I recall correctly the suggestion was more of an informal merge. or perhaps, make it more formal that boards can 'borrow' board members from each other as necessary
[22:02] <czajkowski> highvoltage: but that already happens for the asia board.
[22:02] <highvoltage> czajkowski: yep, I don't think it's written anywhere in the docs, is it?
[22:03] <czajkowski> dont think so
[22:03] <highvoltage> czajkowski: if we're doing something and it works and it's undocumented, then it should be documented and made part of the process. that's what I mean by 'formalising' the process.
[22:04] <pleia2> yeah, we need to formally say it's ok, but a full merge makes me wince too
[22:04] <czajkowski> highvoltage: doesn't always work, we're online and not asked sometimes
[22:04] <highvoltage> so it's not necessarilly a case that something needs to change, but the documentation should probably be updated to reflect reality
[22:05] <pleia2> highvoltage: there was a suggestion for a formal full merge (dissolving regional entirely and just dumping us all in one team)
[22:05] <czajkowski> highvoltage: or a board gets restaffed properly so it doesnt need to borrow board members so it can operate properly tbh
[22:05] <highvoltage> czajkowski: even more reason to formalise it then. because then there could be process about contact details, etc
[22:05] <highvoltage> pleia2: ok
[22:05] <czajkowski> highvoltage: I dont mind once in a blue moon, more than one month in  a row and something is up with the board imo, either their time is wrong or they need more members
[22:06] <highvoltage> czajkowski: yeah. there's some interesting things about that though
[22:07] <highvoltage> czajkowski: for example, stgraber and I are on the EMEA board, and while we're both from that region we now live in the Americas time zone. The EMEA timeslot happens to be super convenient for us even though we're outside of that timezone, and we've had other people from this area apply too because it works for them
[22:08] <czajkowski> highvoltage: it doesnt really work for americas, but asia can be staffed by emea folks in some cases due to the timezones where as you and stgraber could do americans
[22:08] <czajkowski> but again, asia should really have a fully functioning board.
[22:08] <highvoltage> czajkowski: so I sometimes wonder whether it really makes sense distributing by region where it might be better to just have 4 meetings a month at different times
[22:08] <czajkowski> or else fall under  EMEA and Americas which may upset some folks.
[22:09] <highvoltage> (not that I'm pushing for that, I'm just throwing the information out there)
[22:10] <highvoltage> yep, aisa can lean on emea, emea can lean on americas, americas could lean again on asia for extra members
[22:11] <highvoltage> and sorry if my conversation isn't particularly constructive, I'm just babbling now :)
[22:23] <maco> i sat in on asia before. they meet around sunrise for my timezone