=== apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [10:12] Asia - Oceania RMB Meeting now? [10:15] nobuto, there? [10:15] udienz: yes. [10:16] nobuto, AORMB meeting now? [10:16] udienz: if you know who the board are try pinging them I guess. [10:17] head_victim, ok [10:17] elky, ejat? [10:17] udienz: no activities yet. [10:17] hi [10:19] persia, lifeless, freeflying? [10:24] elky: lifeless said g'nite a while back. I suspect he's out. [10:25] sigh. [10:25] i can't remember the nicks of the others on the board [10:27] elky: from the launchpad page it's persia, ejat, vantrax, lifeless, freeflying, amachu and yourself [10:28] ok, so that's why. i thought i was remembering nicks wrong; they're just not on [10:28] Apparently not :/ [10:28] No. They're not. [10:28] * ejat pinging everybody .. [10:28] ejat, tried. just you and me so far [10:29] hi elky , ejat [10:29] i was in the last meeting [10:29] and i was approved by you guys [10:29] but did not get any email from ubuntu [10:30] about the membership [10:30] maqtanim: launchpad ID? [10:30] will it take longer time? [10:30] maqtanim, what your lp id? [10:30] Sounds like time to set up a mailing list approval, makes sense if you can do it from applicant's wikis and questions. [10:30] https://launchpad.net/~adnan.quaium [10:30] Just got to get enough to turn up to agree to it ;) [10:31] maqtanim, try to send adnan.quaium@ubuntu.com [10:32] udienz, I tried [10:32] but it fails [10:32] seems that the RegionalBoards approved me [10:32] launchpad is timing out on every second pageload at the moment. can someone check that he got added to the team? [10:32] but I was not approved by ubuntu [10:33] elky: He wasn't [10:33] I don't see ubuntumembers in his team list. [10:33] i sent emails to the board list. ejat are you having more luck with launchpad? [10:36] added .. [10:36] ejat thanks :) [10:37] welcome .. [10:38] maqtanim, it won't happen automatically, you may need to wait a week or so for the import to happen [10:38] elky: only we both again today? [10:38] ejat, sadly yes [10:38] ouch .. [10:38] elky... hmmm... it's about 14 days since the last meeting :) [10:39] maqtanim, yes, but there's not enough board members for quorum [10:39] yeah ... i saw that... [10:40] not everyone can make for this meeting :( [10:40] well... actually how many members are there in this board? [10:42] maqtanim, 16 [10:42] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-membership-board-asia-oceania [10:42] udienz, no there's not. [10:42] udienz i dont think so [10:43] there's 7 on the board. [10:43] ups sorry [10:43] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-membership-board-asia-oceania/+members [10:43] only 8 are there [10:44] but I see only elky and ejat regularly in this board-meeting [10:50] and persia too actually. [10:50] It's a bad time of the year for working around commitments. [11:02] it's up.. [11:03] udienz i think you can try with other regional boards [11:03] maqtanim, yes, i try to European Membership board [11:04] at UTC 8pm there is another meeting [11:05] maqtanim, 4 AM in Indonesia :( [11:05] :( [11:05] that's not so suitable time :( [11:06] maqtanim, no problem. i will try wo wake up [11:07] wish you good luck [11:07] :) [11:07] maqtanim, thank you [11:08] elky, ejat [11:08] I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania [11:08] should be updated [11:08] it still shows the meeting date is Dec 7 2010 [11:09] people will be get easily confused [11:13] the ubuntu-audio-dev meeting the should have started 12 minutes ago is cancelled, since I was the only one showing up. [11:13] so feel free to keep talking :-) [11:15] owh .. sorry diwic .. [11:15] no worries :-) [11:16] wiki updated ... === diwic is now known as diwic_afk === diwic_afk is now known as diwci === diwci is now known as diwic === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann_ === oubiwann_ is now known as oubiwann === diwic is now known as diwic_afk === smoser` is now known as smoser === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [15:58] o/ [15:58] \o [15:58] o/ [15:59] ~ô~ [15:59] *\o/* [15:59] happy new year to everyone ! [15:59] o/ [16:00] o/ [16:00] happy new year ttx! [16:00] ding-o-bell, and etc [16:01] hmm [16:02] * Daviey looks at the mins from last meeting [16:02] Announce next meeting date and time [16:02] Tuesday, January 11 2011 16:00 UTC [16:02] happy new year :) [16:02] Technically we don't have a meeting this week :/ [16:02] heh [16:02] but I'm not sure there will be a meeting next week... so.. [16:03] so are you going to #startmeeting? [16:03] hallyn, I think you are chair? [16:03] i deny everything [16:03] smoser [16:03] hi [16:03] SpamapS, You were the last chair? [16:03] i did the one before Christmas. [16:03] i think its me [16:04] * Daviey agrees.. lets get rocking. [16:04] #startmeeting [16:04] Meeting started at 10:04. The chair is zul. [16:04] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:04] ahh I think if you forget to update the wiki you have to do it again ;) [16:04] [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting [16:04] New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting [16:05] robbiew: how is the wiki gardening coming? [16:05] done! [16:05] oooh...neat [16:05] however I do need to update the Roadmap [16:05] heh....good luck on that :) [16:05] ...but first I need to figure that out [16:06] ok...Daviey were you able to reproduce bug 661294 [16:06] Launchpad bug 661294 in linux (Ubuntu) "System lock-up when receiving large files (big data amount) from NFS server" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/661294 [16:06] im thinking not because it was christmas last week [16:06] negative, one of our team has expert knowledge of NFS... i think it might be better to try and do it next week TBH. [16:06] cool [16:07] hggdh: i think bug #684304 is fixed now correct? [16:07] Launchpad bug 684304 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) "cciss module does not identify resources" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/684304 [16:07] hggdh, ^^? [16:07] zul: seems to be -- I was able to have the discs [16:07] BUT [16:07] hggdh: if you are around [16:07] be aware of bug 694772 [16:07] Launchpad bug 694772 in eglibc (Ubuntu) "Sudden reboot during server ISO install" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/694772 [16:08] *NO* server ISOs work currently [16:08] wth? [16:08] * hggdh wonders if UEC will ever be tested this cycle :-( [16:08] hggdh, I have tested it on non cciss hardware :P [16:08] so have i :) [16:09] ! [16:09] hmm...ok [16:09] hggdh: I think that bug 694772 is also effecting all of the automated server iso tests as well [16:09] Launchpad bug 694772 in eglibc (Ubuntu) "Sudden reboot during server ISO install" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/694772 [16:09] Daviey: the cciss module has been, er, deprecated on Natty [16:09] smoser: to write a blog entry on how to use grub 'fallback' with our images. [16:09] hm... yeah, i did not do that. [16:09] heh christmas got in the way right? [16:10] so carry it over. i want to still do it. [16:10] gotcha [16:10] ok then.. [16:10] [TOPIC] Natty Development [16:10] New Topic: Natty Development [16:11] i was looking at the burndown charts and i think we are a bit behind...robbiew do you want to mention anything? [16:11] heh...yeah...update work items!!! [16:11] ...and that we'll review things next week [16:11] move and make cuts where necessary [16:11] sorry had to go afk for a minute, [16:11] personally i intend to work on some openstack items this week hopefully [16:12] Also we should probably be mindful of the amount of scope creep [16:12] I noticed alpha2 just had a ton of DONE stuff added right before the break [16:12] right [16:13] so yeah regularily update your work items or robbiew will hunt you down with an ice pick [16:13] anyone have anything else? [16:13] guess not [16:13] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [16:13] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [16:14] hi hggdh how was your holidays? [16:14] not as good, ran some tests on the new kernel and hit the block on libc6 update [16:14] *sigh* [16:15] so no news (apart from my comments above) [16:15] anyone have any questions for hggdh? [16:15] ok moving on [16:15] I just want to make clear that UEC has *NOT* been tested, at all, so far [16:15] one question [16:15] yeah its unfortunate that the test rig has had so many problems [16:16] SpamapS: shoot, sir [16:16] what happened to server papercuts? [16:16] I know ttx has moved on and doesn't have as much time for us anymore, but are we going to try and do some this cycle? [16:16] ttx tradionally drove them :) [16:16] SpamapS: we might want to bring it up next week and do it later in the cycle [16:17] hm [16:17] It didn't work well as a way to encourage community to participate to ubuntu server [16:17] If you want to continue it I think it needs to be revamped [16:17] but it was successful in getting bugs squashed :) [16:17] ttx: right but it did get some exposure with little bugs [16:18] maybe we should just be using the bitesize tag [16:18] ... i think the ~canonical-server 2/3 bugs each mandate needs revisiting tbh [16:18] right... [16:18] or just fixing them in larger bug pushes later in the cycle [16:18] I don't think we need to redo the whole subcycle nominations shebang [16:19] That is one sure way of the "best" ones being picked by those that perhaps are already involved. [16:19] ok [16:20] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) [16:20] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) [16:20] I successfully managed to forget about all my work related problems. So if you still have some, I need to be reminded. Still need to get back at the buglist but did not get to it, yet. [16:20] smb: i just have one to bring up [16:20] we get old bugs squashed for free now with the dhobach patch pilot :) [16:20] * Daviey hugs dholbach [16:20] zul, sure post the bug number [16:20] smb: bug #693042 [16:21] Launchpad bug 693042 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel Panic while booting Natty installer kernel (2.6.37-10-generic) on amd64 ISO" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/693042 [16:21] smb: heh i was just looking for it [16:21] ara brought that up i think she is going to bring it up again in the kernel team as well [16:21] Hm without time to look very deep [16:22] right...she just brought it up today [16:22] So, I look at that later for more info [16:22] it *may* be related to the sudden reboot thingy [16:23] anyone else? [16:23] just for record [16:23] natty bugs for ec2: [16:23] 684875 Patch to Natty 2.6.37-virtual breaks non-EC2 users [16:23] 686692 natty kernel does not boot on ec2 t1.micro [16:23] and then, one that i'd like to see smb's thoughts on [16:23] hggdh, zul It looks like it even might be some fallout of memory corruption/use after free [16:23] maverick: 614853 kernel panic divide error: 0000 [#1] SMP [16:24] bug 614853 seems to be an upstream bug, but is hitting on ec2 more commonly than elsewhere. hard to reproduce. [16:24] Launchpad bug 614853 in linux-ec2 (Ubuntu) "kernel panic divide error: 0000 [#1] SMP" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/614853 [16:26] anyone else? [16:27] nope! [16:27] k [16:27] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) [16:27] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer) [16:27] hi sommer around? [16:28] (Considering this meeting is technically unscheduled, he has a valid excuse) :) [16:28] right... [16:28] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0) [16:28] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0) [16:28] hi kim0 [16:28] unscheduled? [16:29] unscheduled? [16:29] NEXT MEETING: Tuesday 2011-01-04 at 1600 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting - AGENDA [16:29] kim0 just left [16:29] Daviey: does sommer need an invite? [16:29] sommer came two meetings ago [16:30] SpamapS, Ah, in the meeting logs: [16:30] he was away for a while on honeymoon and starting a new job [16:30] Announce next meeting date and time [16:30] Tuesday, January 11 2011 16:00 UTC [16:30] Daviey: doh! [16:30] the Canonical server team will be Sprinting next week [16:30] we'll still plan for same time ? [16:31] i dont see why not [16:31] we might as well, the community is still there [16:31] but i guess kim0 is not around either [16:31] Could we do it UDS style and just stream the room? [16:31] kim0 did join just before the meeting started :/ [16:31] zul: Daviey: SpamapS: i wonder if we should plan to have a somewhat regular cobbler update here ... ? [16:32] kirkland, That sounds good. [16:32] since there are several people working on that, and people in the community interested [16:32] kirkland: I'll 3rd that idea. [16:32] kirkland, Starting next week :) [16:32] i probably should have brought that up in the development topic section [16:32] kirkland: sure...bring it it up in the open discussion stuff that is next [16:32] but decided to wait for open discussion [16:32] zul: oh? this isn't open discussion? :-) [16:32] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [16:32] New Topic: Open Discussion [16:32] \o/ [16:32] Cobbler! [16:32] now it is... [16:32] so yeah cobbler [16:33] the canonical server team has been beating cobbler into shape [16:33] we have alpha-quality packages in a PPA [16:33] and a bzr branch [16:33] (imported original source from git) [16:34] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt/+archive/ppa [16:34] and how functional is it right now? [16:34] though i see that package is pretty old (last built 12/13) [16:34] zul: only so-so functional [16:34] zul: still takes some tweaking [16:34] Also I believe the bulk of the changes have been accepted upstream. [16:34] zul: you were going to update our bzr snapshot ... what are we on now? [16:34] just some of the packaging-specific stuff is left [16:35] kirkland: the snapshot has to be updated, debian and ubuntu support have been accepted upstram and i fixed the tftpboot problem which also been accepted upstream as well [16:35] zul: that rocks [16:35] SpamapS: same to you [16:36] zul: SpamapS: Daviey: safe to say we'll work together on it next week [16:36] ack! [16:36] and try to push it into the archive [16:36] what needs to be done is the mirroring stuff and uploading the package [16:36] and then we can ask people to start testing from that [16:36] zul: okay [16:36] I'm bringing 2 machines and a router to the sprint, which we can work from [16:37] perhaps hallyn and/or Daviey can bring 1 or 2 crash-and-burn boxes? [16:37] i've got one, yeah [16:37] sort of hoping i can get someone to drive it back for me at the end :) [16:38] kirkland: I can bring an extra with me (ex ttx stock :-)) [16:38] * ttx misses his UEC laptops. My desk doesn't look liek a trader's desk anymore [16:38] I would like to avoid brining excess hardware this time TBH. [16:38] Want to try and travel light if i can. [16:38] right [16:38] JamesPage: sweet, thanks [16:38] np [16:39] [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time [16:39] New Topic: Announce next meeting date and time [16:39] Daviey: understood [16:39] Although can access it all remotely if needed. [16:39] still the same time next week? [16:40] or do people want to skip it [16:40] i think they were saying hold it next week [16:40] robbiew, What are your thoughts? [16:40] Lets have it next week [16:40] ok [16:40] and we can maybe ask elmo if he'd be ok with ustreaming it [16:41] hold it [16:41] thanks [16:41] #endmeeting [16:41] Meeting finished at 10:41. [16:41] ustreaming is optional ;) [16:41] * Daviey will need a haircut then. [16:41] thanks for coming [16:41] ill need to wear clothes [16:41] (ACTION) [16:42] at least a bathrobe [16:42] ... [16:42] a bit more, temp is expected to be on freezing as high next week [16:44] seriously? [16:44] serious. the artic cold front will hit us on Sunday evening/monday morning [16:45] (so far, a balmy +10C) [16:45] and... if we have snow... you will be able to see how Dallas drive on it [16:46] which is to say, crashes all around [16:48] hggdh: thats actually quite warm [16:48] for you, yes :-) [16:55] * ara waves [16:55] Hey ara [16:57] o/ [16:59] o/ [17:00] \o [17:01] # [17:01] # lets "get 'er done"! [17:01] # [17:01] #startmeeting [17:01] Meeting started at 11:01. The chair is bjf. [17:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [17:01] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting [17:01] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick [17:01] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting [17:01] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick [17:01] # [17:01] # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input. [17:01] # [17:01] i'd like to be the first to welcome sforshee to the team! [17:02] welcome sforshee! :) [17:02] welcome sforshee [17:02] * tgardner welcomes everyone back after the holiday break. [17:03] [TOPIC] ARM Status (bjf) [17:03] New Topic: ARM Status (bjf) [17:03] Nothing new [17:03] .. [17:03] [TOPIC] Release Metrics (JFo) [17:03] New Topic: Release Metrics (JFo) [17:03] Release Meeting Bugs (6 bugs, 14 Blueprints) [17:03] ==== Alpha 2 Milestoned Bugs (29 across all packages (up 1)) ==== [17:03] * 1 linux kernel bugs (no change) [17:03] * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change) [17:03] * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change) [17:03] ==== Release Targeted Bugs (144 across all packages (up 11)) ==== [17:03] * 12 linux kernel bugs (up 1) [17:03] * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change) [17:03] * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change) [17:03] ==== Milestoned Features ==== [17:03] * 5 blueprints (Including HWE Blueprints) [17:03] except that it look like we'll start supplying an omap3 natty kernel. [17:03] ==== Maverick Updates Bugs ==== [17:03] * 56 Linux Bugs (up 2) [17:03] ==== Lucid Updates Bugs [17:03] * 97 Linux Bugs (down 14) [17:03] ==== Bugs with Patches Attached:145 (up 3) ==== [17:03] * [[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on | Bugs with Patches]] [17:03] * [[http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/ | Breakdown by status]] [17:03] .. [17:04] tgardner, noted [17:05] [TOPIC] Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo) [17:05] New Topic: Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo) [17:05] nothing to report. [17:05] .. [17:05] [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling [17:05] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling [17:05] [TOPIC] Blueprints: Kernel Configuration Review (apw) [17:05] [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-config-review [17:05] New Topic: Blueprints: Kernel Configuration Review (apw) [17:05] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-config-review [17:05] PV on HVM support (XEN_PCI_PLATFORMDEV) testing is still pending for natty-alpha-2. The only other remaining action here currently is to report on the final config at beta time, this is waiting on the final kernel version. [17:05] .. [17:06] [TOPIC] Blueprints: Enhancements to the firmware test suite (cking) [17:06] [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-firmware-test-suite-enhancements [17:06] New Topic: Blueprints: Enhancements to the firmware test suite (cking) [17:06] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-firmware-test-suite-enhancements [17:06] Nothing to report [17:06] .. [17:06] [TOPIC] Blueprints: Handling of Deviations from Standard Kernels (smb) [17:06] [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-frankenkernel-maintenance [17:06] New Topic: Blueprints: Handling of Deviations from Standard Kernels (smb) [17:06] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-frankenkernel-maintenance [17:06] I got a little farther with the tool by now. Detection seems to work. The output needs a bit of polish still. [17:06] .. [17:07] [TOPIC] Blueprints: Review of the Stable Maintenance Process (sconklin / bjf) [17:07] [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-process-review [17:07] New Topic: Blueprints: Review of the Stable Maintenance Process (sconklin / bjf) [17:07] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-process-review [17:07] The new cadence is working pretty well, but we continue to address issues as they arise. These mostly have to do with [17:07] insuring adequate communication between various teams. I'm concerned that thw two-week cycle may not leave us enough [17:07] time for exceptions and tools development, and we will be discussing this at the platform rally next week. [17:07] We're planning to begin a cycle by uploading new kernels this Friday, which will put us in verification phase during [17:07] the rally. [17:07] .. [17:07] [TOPIC] Status: Current -proposed testing by cert. team (ara) [17:07] New Topic: Status: Current -proposed testing by cert. team (ara) [17:08]