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IdleOneNot sure if JackOfHearts is trolling01:55
marcusdavidusoki who kick me from # ubuntu fro speaking abotue otehr distros when some users ask for help ?02:04
IdleOneI did.02:04
IdleOneThe kick and ban were more about your bad attitude and bad language02:05
marcusdavidusIdleOne:  lol02:05
marcusdavidus i told u 2 times polite02:05
marcusdavidus before02:05
marcusdavidus but no02:05
IdleOnetold me what?02:05
marcusdavidus u keep freekign " this is ubuntu channel" bs02:06
marcusdavidus told u that im helping newbe with his problem and i dont care it is #gentoo or # ubuntu02:06
Coreymarcusdavidus: Do realize that #ubuntu hsa about 1500 users; if you're looking for general Linux discussion ##linux may be a better venue.02:06
IdleOneit isn't bs, we have guidelines that must be followed and you were not02:06
marcusdavidus ur act like freeking ubuntu nazist02:06
marcusdavidus or something similar02:06
marcusdavidus and i hate ppl who dont care abotue heklping otehrs02:06
marcusdavidus but prefer to freekign  piss ppl who try to help02:07
IdleOnemarcusdavidus: I already gave you the link for the guidelines. I am going to have ubottu send you the link for the Ubuntu code of Conduct, please read them and come back in 48 hours, we can see then if the ban will be removed02:07
marcusdavidusnow i knwo why everyone tells that ther eis no point in going on #*buntu chats/forums cuz admins/op are retards02:07
Coreymarcusdavidus: The channel has operating rules for what's considered topical.  Generally when told by an op that you're out of line, it's best to respect their position.02:07
IdleOne!codeofconduct > marcusdavidus02:07
ubottumarcusdavidus, please see my private message02:07
marcusdavidusidle i told u : find me freeking ubuntu that works on 266 mhz p2 to help user who ask how ot make repo on this pc02:08
marcusdavidus if u dont kwno such ubuntu STFU u fucking n00b02:08
marcusdavidus cuz u start to piss me02:08
CoreyThe validity of your point aside, the way you present it casts you in an unfortunate light.02:08
marcusdavidus chers02:08
CoreyIdleOne: Did you start to piss him yet? :-D02:08
Corey(sorry, sorry)02:08
Jordan_UNot that he did it in a reasonable way, but pointing people to Debian (and to #debian for support) is reasonable in certain circumstances.02:09
CoreyLovely /quit message in #ubuntu from him.02:09
CoreyJordan_U: Right, hence my point of it's not what he says, but how he says it.02:10
IdleOnexangua: How can we help you?02:13
h00kBryanstein_: can we help you? Hobbsee`, you too?02:44
IdleOneh00k: Hobbse is an op, just not identified02:46
h00kIdleOne: ahha!02:46
h00kThis is what I get for going away for a while :(02:46
h00kHobbsee`: sorry bout that :D02:46
IdleOneand Bryanstein_ is authorized to be here02:46
IdleOnefrom what i am told02:46
h00kBryanstein_: sorry, too, apparently :)02:46
h00kWhyfor?02:46
Jordan_UYou mean I didn't have to become an op to idle here!?02:47
Jordan_U;)02:47
IdleOneshellium admin here in case we have issues with shellium users I guess02:47
h00kOoh, shellium.02:47
IdleOnexangua: you still idle?02:48
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ubottushane4ubuntu called the ops in #ubuntu ()03:46
h00kFlannel: why did you unban ae86-drifter?04:12
Flannelh00k: Because the only reason he was banned was FB-autoban-webchat04:12
h00kFlannel: not the sudo rm -rf / from maco?04:13
FlannelHmm?04:13
Flannelmaco removed him, FB banned him because of the remove.04:13
h00kFlannel: oh, oh.04:13
macofb?04:13
h00kfloodbot04:14
macooh04:14
h00ksee, I have to get my op-fu re-oiled here. It's been a while. life, wedding planning, work and all.04:14
FlannelHis first few commands were actually relevant (albeit misguided), then people got freaked out about seeing the command, did the factoid, ae got smart and said it twice, deserved a kick to remind him not to get smart.04:14
FlannelNo reason for a ban really, it wasn't malice, just a little attitude04:14
rwwPici: The edit I made was to add the middle sentence. Someone else that I forget removed stuff from it a while back.04:15
rwwPici: Specifically, "someone else" was you. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/15/%23ubuntu-ops.txt04:22
rww(It originally had some nonsensical stuff in it that I forget, then you made it make sense (which is the version you seen to remember), then jussi decided he didn't like the middle sentence of the version you did because it implied people could recommend it if they explained the risks so you removed it,04:24
rwwso the factoid at that point was actually less forceful than it used to be, so I edited it to make it more obvious that people really shouldn't be recommending setting root passwords in #ubuntu.)04:24
FlannelLets just go back to "only if you plan on being here 24/7 to support it for eternity"04:25
rwwah, yeah. that was the original incarnation that I forgot04:25
rwwI need to grab the sqlite database and textfileify it so I can find out these things.04:26
IdleOneor maybe we should actually use the OS as intended and not support setting root.04:26
IdleOnewithout any "let's make the world happy" bull about 24/7 stuff04:26
Jordan_UIdleOne: The 24/7 bit is there to make people realize that we as supporters in #ubuntu have "standing" to protest others explaining how to enable root, or any other unsupported "advice".04:28
rwwIronically, I spent a few hours yesterday trying to make Debian not use a root account. Got the sudo stuff working, but some of the gui stuff (not gksudo, the other one) is being silly.04:29
Jordan_Urww: policykit?04:30
rwwprobably04:30
IdleOneJordan_U: I guess so.04:31
Tm_TSynaptic in my Ubuntu, when launched from menu, requests root password which unsurprisingly doesn't exist04:32
* Tm_T should dig up what's going on04:32
rwwI wish things that ask for a root password would check whether the root account is enabled first, check for sudo privileges if it isn't, and ask for them instead.04:33
Tm_Tother way around, check sudo rights first04:34
Flannelrww: Sounds like metasudo is a program you're going to be developing in the future!04:34
rwwTm_T: true04:35
Flannelrww: You could call it sussudio04:35
rwwmore like nonsillypolicykit04:35
rwwthere's a 'sudo -l' command that would indicate whether the user has privs for a particular command too, so it's not like you'd have to do something hard like parsing sudoers.04:36
rwwanyways04:36
rwwPici: if the first thing you pinged me about was a different thing from the factoid edit, PM me and I'll get back to you. I'm feel like I'm coming down with a cold or something, so I'm getting as much sleep time in as possible today.04:37
Flannelrww: Thats what you get for eating all that pasta04:37
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Guest83930h00k: you could help freenode not bounce :)07:05
Guest83930speaking of root accounts, most of the machines i have to log into at work are using root.   i twitch every single time...07:05
Tm_TGuest83930: identify (;07:07
Guest83930Tm_T: yeah yeah...07:07
Guest83930hum07:07
FlannelHello Ms Guest Eight Three Nine Three Zero!07:07
rwwIt's how we know you're not a cylon disguised as Hobbsee.07:07
Guest83930it's the guest to be07:07
Guest83930come on...i've got my cloak back, where's my nick?07:08
FlannelGuest83930: You need to nick manually, it won't automagically move you there07:08
Guest83930[18:08] [Error] Hobbsee is currently unavailable.07:09
rww/msg nickserv release Hobbsee07:09
Guest83930ahh, that's the final rune07:09
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Hobbseei've been dealing in oftc services, which are different07:09
Hobbseeand to review a ban.  wo07:10
Hobbseew07:10
* Hobbsee wonders what 'review' means in this context - as in, comment on it somewhere or not07:11
rwwHobbsee: check if you still want the ban to be there and remove it if you don't07:11
Hobbseerww: rightio.  it can stay07:11
Jordan_UI love how ubottu lies in wait untill you comment.07:12
rwwI usually also take the opportunity to make sure I commented on it if I want it to stay, but that's besides the point.07:12
Hobbseeah07:12
jussiJordan_U: ubottu is like a jumping spider... waiting for its prey :P07:13
* jussi likes that rww is promoting good habits :)07:14
* Hobbsee drops the jussi table07:14
jussihello Hobbsee... who let you in here? :P :P07:14
Hobbseejussi: :P07:15
jussirww: does -ot mean you are now "posessed" ? :P07:16
Hobbseejussi: i've been dealing with a borken cpanel box today.  you be good07:16
rwwi own ubottu now.07:16
jussiAHEM!!07:16
Flannelrww: We're going to put you in a floating chair with a single light for communication!07:16
jussiHobbsee: Im dealing with a borken cmsmadesimple... I win :P07:17
rwwi also restarted the UbuntuIRC FloodBot yesterday. I felt powerful.07:17
* Hobbsee still needs more brain bleach to deal with the base64 encoded php07:17
Hobbseeoh dear07:17
Jordan_Urww: Did you mean to do all that in #ubuntu?07:24
rww... that wasn't a banforward07:24
rwwJordan_U: yes07:24
Jordan_USorry, just realized it's another bot you were testing for.07:25
rwwI'm checking whether the various talking scripts I found in the last few days got removed when I PMed their owners. Signs point to no.07:25
rwwSigns also point to CP-Knox having one of those craptacular "This isn't the room I wanted to be in! I should part and rejoin!" scripts >.>07:27
rwwchanged to normal ban. user can figure it out themselves.07:28
FlannelHi Sriram, how can we help you today?07:34
SriramFlannel, I am an ubuntu user, and strongly want to contribute. So just thinking if I can join the operator team07:38
jussiSriram: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements07:42
Tm_Theh, was just about to paste the very same07:43
Tm_Talso I think this is good to be read too https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam07:43
rww!canibeanop07:43
ubottuIf you are interested in joining the Ops team, take a look at both http://www.siltala.net/2010/03/24/ops-teams-applications-announcement/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements for info on the process and requirements.  You can also learn about what the job entails from people in #ubuntu-irc.07:43
rwwperhaps add IrcTeam to the last sentence07:44
rwwassuming that wouldn't make the factoid overly huge07:44
Tm_Tthat factoid can never be huge enough07:45
jussiSriram: so, there is some reading for you. May I also remind you of the channel topic in here? :)07:46
rwwbazhang: If you're not busy, could you update !cn to include /joining instructions (like !it, for example, has)?08:02
bazhangsomething like: 打字 /join #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk  <-- unless you wish to repeat the join ( 打字 )08:09
rwwthe !it factoid has "(to enter, type « /join #ubuntu-it » without the angle quotes)" at the end, but I guess that would be complicated by there being three channels. hrm.08:12
rwwDoes "For Ubuntu help in Chinese, type /join #ubuntu-cn, /join #ubuntu-tw, or /join #ubuntu-hk ." translate well? It's a little redundant, but the factoid's short enough that I don't think it matters much.08:14
bazhangwell just repeat the 打字 then08:14
rwwbazhang: "For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道:打字 /join #ubuntu-cn 或者 打字 /join #ubuntu-tw  或者 打字 /join #ubuntu-hk"?08:23
bazhangwhy is ubuxubu insisting on having a fat32 partition in a regular partition scheme.08:29
bazhangrww, yep08:29
rww!no, cn is <reply> For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道:打字 /join #ubuntu-cn 或者 打字 /join #ubuntu-tw  或者 打字 /join #ubuntu-hk08:30
ubottuI'll remember that rww08:30
rwwbazhang: thanks :)08:30
bazhangno idea why he is suggesting that.08:31
Jordan_Ubazhang: Because it can be read and written to (even after a dirty unmount) by any OS most likely.08:32
rwwIt would make a small amount of sense if they were dualbooting. As far as I can see, they're not?08:32
bazhangJordan_U, he says if 'buntu gets corrupt', never heard or had that happen, and ntfs works much better without the size constraint on fat3208:32
Myrttiyears and years ago I was young enough to attempt to have /home in fat3208:33
bazhanghehe08:33
Myrttineedless to say, pain and suffering was followed by the decision08:33
rwwI dislike FAT32. The 4GB filesize limit causes so many problems these days.08:33
Tm_Tneedles say, pain and suffering08:34
Tm_T^sounds like voodoo08:34
bazhangext4 is perfectly fine08:34
* Jordan_U <3 btrfs08:35
rwwI use ext4. Haven't gotten around to trying btrfs yet.08:35
bazhanghe is giving zero evidence why ext3 is 'better'08:35
Tm_T<3 FAT1608:36
ikoniathen stop him08:36
bazhangoh great. he's pimping his own channel now08:37
ikoniait's the balsaq guy again, the one who was mistaken for balsac08:40
rwwfun08:40
elkyikonia, where?08:44
bazhangelky, the ubuxubu guy08:44
elkyI'm glad he's picked a new nickname.08:44
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elkyAs I said before the universe split open; I'm glad he's picked a new nickname.08:48
Myrttithat's interesting08:48
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Myrttithat was funky09:00
Myrttijussi: cmsms is funky. If you have troubles with it, why don't you join #cms ;-)09:03
elky_H is on borrowed time.09:29
Myrttiindeed09:30
rwwhas been for a while, imho.09:31
bazhanghe was in here complaining about being mocked iirc09:31
rwwshe, apparently09:32
Myrttiaccording to him/her09:32
Myrttiaccording to him/her, today09:32
rwwand yesterday, and last month ;P09:35
ikoniano thanks09:47
ikoniaoops09:47
jussiyes please :P09:49
Myrttiargh. my brain hurts.09:49
Jordan_Udain bramage?09:50
Myrttihaving to proofread some text does that09:54
UBUxUBUis someone looking for me?10:01
bazhangUBUxUBU, hi10:01
UBUxUBUsup10:01
bazhangUBUxUBU, something you need assistance with today?10:02
UBUxUBUone of my guys said you needed to speak too me10:02
UBUxUBUu and elky10:02
rwwo.O10:02
UBUxUBUand ikonia10:02
UBUxUBU?10:02
bazhangUBUxUBU, not sure what you mean by 'my guys'10:02
UBUxUBUi was told u guys had some stuff to tell me?10:03
bazhangUBUxUBU, we would have contacted you if that was the case10:03
UBUxUBUoh ok10:03
UBUxUBUhave a good morning, afternoon or evening.10:03
UBUxUBUhaha10:04
bazhang'my guys' = channel logs?10:04
rwwpretty much10:04
elkyThe "club" just gets creepier by the second10:04
rwwugh, he's there too?10:05
Jordan_Uclub?10:05
rww(apparently not)10:05
elkyI dunno, but they're the only ones who obsessively read everything said here as though their lives depend on it, then invite everyone who is spoken about here in a less than complimentary manner to their pit of horrors.10:06
bazhangcontroversial non-ubuntu channel with two ##10:06
Myrttiwould love if their logs would be public too10:06
rwwhasn't been in there under that nick, was in there as balsaq 25 weeks ago.10:06
rwwubnotu has a !seen command ;)10:06
elkyMyrtti, that's double-edged. Their logs under the ubuntu name would hurt.10:07
Myrttielky: true, that10:07
elkyrww, He could simply have been told by people he knows from there.10:07
elkyI especially loved the bits of a log I saw once where they were discussing the best way to hide a murdered prostitute. Charming people.10:08
* rww shrugs, prefers not to draw conclusions without evidence10:08
elkyI can provide it if you want.10:08
rwwthat UBUxUBU got told by ##club-ubuntu people to come by here? sure.10:09
elkyAh. Not that. I thought you were referring to my prev comment.10:09
rwwah. no, them talking about that wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.10:10
bazhangOrmie, hi10:15
OrmieSorry I still think i was blocked even i waited for hours no answers has come10:16
bazhangOrmie, about video driver for ascii ?10:16
rwwOrmie: You're not blocked from #ubuntu. We can see your messages in there.10:17
rww!patience10:17
ubottuDon't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/10:17
OrmieYes and about Cloud Enterprise10:17
bazhangOrmie, someone may not know the answer10:17
bazhangcloud is ubuntuone?10:18
rwwno, Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud's a different thing10:18
bazhangheh10:18
rwwhttp://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/private10:18
bazhanguec then. perhaps #ubuntu-uec10:18
rww#ubuntu-cloud10:19
bazhanglogical :)10:19
topylithe cloud is one of those unfortunate things you can't really discuss in finnish without giggling :(10:23
rwwI can't discuss it in English without giggling, personally.10:23
topyliheh10:23
elkyrww has a point10:23
topyliat least it doesn't translate to stuff like "we provide services for enterprises while high"10:24
rwwlol10:24
topyli(in english i mean)10:24
Myrtti"we serve our customers speshul cookies"10:24
MyrttiOMNOMNOM SUGAR10:24
elkyIm pretty sure the general population interpretation of cloud can be roughly translated from layman to tech with "you smoke lsd and make magic things happen, yeah. i want that"10:26
elkyer, s/smoke/take/10:27
topyli"let's drop our exhange licenses and switch to weed"10:27
rwwit'd probably be cheaper. exchange servers smoke crack.10:28
topyliwe can say "free software" with a straight face though! :)10:29
Myrttinobody understands what that means anyway10:30
topyliyeah. i suppose the options are misunderstanding and complete bewilderment10:31
topyliwhich is the standard anyway!10:31
rwwsay libre instead, so at least the French will understand you.10:31
topylino no, we have a perfectly good word in finnish for it10:31
rwwI'm starting to get the impression that every language except English does :(10:32
Myrttipeople know what open source software means10:33
Myrttilibre software is not that well known10:33
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elkyrww, pretty much10:34
elkypopey, is he this coherent as a rule?11:41
popeyhe just talks bollocks all the time11:42
rww... damnit, bantracker lied to me.11:43
elkythis kid is classy as11:44
elky"come and serve me"aha..ahahaha... bwahahahhahahaha11:44
rwwincoherent bruder dude wandered in #ubuntu, BT said he was banned, so I /abr'ed him for ban evading. except apparently he isn't. meh.11:44
Tm_Tpopey: you can provide alanbell the required logs if need be?11:49
popeysure11:50
Tm_Tgood, just checking11:50
popeynp :)11:50
popeyI am not an expert at this irc op lark, so happy to get points from other ops!11:50
rwwFun fact: ubuntu/member/* has ops access in #ubuntu-irc, if it comes to that11:51
popeyalso happy to get direction from others about best course of action for loco opping. which i realise is a little different from 'core channel' opping11:52
elkythe problem with loco opping is breaking the clique factor11:53
elkyit could be compared to -ot in that regard though11:53
* popey resists the temptation to do an airplane in -irc and say "I AM someone else"11:55
elkyheh11:56
elkyim tempted to go in shouting demands to be "served"11:57
elkyooh... which colour do I want: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004AAB9K6/ref=asc_df_B004AAB9K61670162?smid=A2KJQGATLULIBM&tag=pgmp-07-752-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22218&creativeASIN=B004AAB9K611:59
elky(click second pic for colours)11:59
popeyhah, how random12:00
elkyi came across http://relogik.com/chigra earlier and was trying to find if it'd made it past concept stage yet12:02
popeyerk no route to host12:07
elkypopey, http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:iZP8MuemiFAJ:relogik.com/chigra+relogik.com/chigra&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au12:12
Myrttioh my13:54
Myrttihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ylmf_OS13:54
popeybased on ubuntu and they have sparc/ppc builds too!? blimey13:56
Piciugh, not that again.13:59
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ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (TheLomY appears to be abusive - 5.5)15:02
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Myrttinot again...15:29
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ubottuZykoticK9 called the ops in #ubuntu (client08)17:17
IdleOneunder control17:17
IdleOnethe current java factoid points to a really messy/confusing page17:26
IdleOnewould it be better to edit so it points to http://tinyurl.com/2ffg7cc ?17:28
IdleOneuntil the current page can be cleaned up, seems the server guide people are working on it.17:29
LjLhelp.ubuntu.com/community is generally in a sorry state :(17:30
IdleOneSo what do you think of17:42
IdleOneTo install a Java runtime on Ubuntu on 10.04 LTS and newer, see http://tinyurl.com/2ffg7cc -  For the Sun Java products and browser plugin, search for the sun-java6- packages in the !partner repository on Lucid (which must be enabled), or !multiverse repository on older releases.17:42
IdleOnethat seems a lot more clear to me then the current link17:43
IdleOne!java17:45
ubottuTo install a Java runtime on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java. For the Sun Java products and browser plugin, search for the sun-java6- packages in the !partner repository on Lucid (which must be enabled), or !multiverse repository on older releases.17:45
IdleOne!no java is <reply> To install a Java runtime on Ubuntu on 10.04 LTS and newer, see http://tinyurl.com/2ffg7cc -  For the Sun Java products and browser plugin, search for the sun-java6- packages in the !partner repository on Lucid (which must be enabled), or !multiverse repository on older releases.17:46
ubottuI'll remember that IdleOne17:46
IdleOnethere17:46
ubottuIn ubottu, GeekSquid said: !drama is Hey Folks, we like to make things easy here in $CHAN, so to avoid conflict we like to have people give good answers, unfortunately this is not always the case, so when one person says something wrong, another person will often pipe in and say NO, that is wrong!!! and sometimes both are wrong, so we'd like to clear the air and make it easy for a debate to happen; so the new channel #ubuntu-debate is a good place for23:36

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