[01:55] <IdleOne> Not sure if JackOfHearts is trolling
[02:04] <marcusdavidus> oki who kick me from # ubuntu fro speaking abotue otehr distros when some users ask for help ?
[02:04] <IdleOne> I did.
[02:05] <IdleOne> The kick and ban were more about your bad attitude and bad language
[02:05] <marcusdavidus> IdleOne:  lol
[02:05] <marcusdavidus>  i told u 2 times polite
[02:05] <marcusdavidus>  before
[02:05] <marcusdavidus>  but no
[02:05] <IdleOne> told me what?
[02:06] <marcusdavidus>  u keep freekign " this is ubuntu channel" bs
[02:06] <marcusdavidus>  told u that im helping newbe with his problem and i dont care it is #gentoo or # ubuntu
[02:06] <Corey> marcusdavidus: Do realize that #ubuntu hsa about 1500 users; if you're looking for general Linux discussion ##linux may be a better venue.
[02:06] <IdleOne> it isn't bs, we have guidelines that must be followed and you were not
[02:06] <marcusdavidus>  ur act like freeking ubuntu nazist
[02:06] <marcusdavidus>  or something similar
[02:06] <marcusdavidus>  and i hate ppl who dont care abotue heklping otehrs
[02:07] <marcusdavidus>  but prefer to freekign  piss ppl who try to help
[02:07] <IdleOne> marcusdavidus: I already gave you the link for the guidelines. I am going to have ubottu send you the link for the Ubuntu code of Conduct, please read them and come back in 48 hours, we can see then if the ban will be removed
[02:07] <marcusdavidus> now i knwo why everyone tells that ther eis no point in going on #*buntu chats/forums cuz admins/op are retards
[02:07] <Corey> marcusdavidus: The channel has operating rules for what's considered topical.  Generally when told by an op that you're out of line, it's best to respect their position.
[02:07] <IdleOne> !codeofconduct > marcusdavidus
[02:08] <marcusdavidus> idle i told u : find me freeking ubuntu that works on 266 mhz p2 to help user who ask how ot make repo on this pc
[02:08] <marcusdavidus>  if u dont kwno such ubuntu STFU u fucking n00b
[02:08] <marcusdavidus>  cuz u start to piss me
[02:08] <Corey> The validity of your point aside, the way you present it casts you in an unfortunate light.
[02:08] <marcusdavidus>  chers
[02:08] <Corey> IdleOne: Did you start to piss him yet? :-D
[02:08] <Corey> (sorry, sorry)
[02:09] <Jordan_U> Not that he did it in a reasonable way, but pointing people to Debian (and to #debian for support) is reasonable in certain circumstances.
[02:09] <Corey> Lovely /quit message in #ubuntu from him.
[02:10] <Corey> Jordan_U: Right, hence my point of it's not what he says, but how he says it.
[02:13] <IdleOne> xangua: How can we help you?
[02:44] <h00k> Bryanstein_: can we help you? Hobbsee`, you too?
[02:46] <IdleOne> h00k: Hobbse is an op, just not identified
[02:46] <h00k> IdleOne: ahha!
[02:46] <h00k> This is what I get for going away for a while :(
[02:46] <h00k> Hobbsee`: sorry bout that :D
[02:46] <IdleOne> and Bryanstein_ is authorized to be here
[02:46] <IdleOne> from what i am told
[02:46] <h00k> Bryanstein_: sorry, too, apparently :)
[02:46] <h00k> Whyfor?
[02:47] <Jordan_U> You mean I didn't have to become an op to idle here!?
[02:47] <Jordan_U> ;)
[02:47] <IdleOne> shellium admin here in case we have issues with shellium users I guess
[02:47] <h00k> Ooh, shellium.
[02:48] <IdleOne> xangua: you still idle?
[04:12] <h00k> Flannel: why did you unban ae86-drifter?
[04:12] <Flannel> h00k: Because the only reason he was banned was FB-autoban-webchat
[04:13] <h00k> Flannel: not the sudo rm -rf / from maco?
[04:13] <Flannel> Hmm?
[04:13] <Flannel> maco removed him, FB banned him because of the remove.
[04:13] <h00k> Flannel: oh, oh.
[04:13] <maco> fb?
[04:14] <h00k> floodbot
[04:14] <maco> oh
[04:14] <h00k> see, I have to get my op-fu re-oiled here. It's been a while. life, wedding planning, work and all.
[04:14] <Flannel> His first few commands were actually relevant (albeit misguided), then people got freaked out about seeing the command, did the factoid, ae got smart and said it twice, deserved a kick to remind him not to get smart.
[04:14] <Flannel> No reason for a ban really, it wasn't malice, just a little attitude
[04:15] <rww> Pici: The edit I made was to add the middle sentence. Someone else that I forget removed stuff from it a while back.
[04:22] <rww> Pici: Specifically, "someone else" was you. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/15/%23ubuntu-ops.txt
[04:24] <rww> (It originally had some nonsensical stuff in it that I forget, then you made it make sense (which is the version you seen to remember), then jussi decided he didn't like the middle sentence of the version you did because it implied people could recommend it if they explained the risks so you removed it,
[04:24] <rww> so the factoid at that point was actually less forceful than it used to be, so I edited it to make it more obvious that people really shouldn't be recommending setting root passwords in #ubuntu.)
[04:25] <Flannel> Lets just go back to "only if you plan on being here 24/7 to support it for eternity"
[04:25] <rww> ah, yeah. that was the original incarnation that I forgot
[04:26] <rww> I need to grab the sqlite database and textfileify it so I can find out these things.
[04:26] <IdleOne> or maybe we should actually use the OS as intended and not support setting root.
[04:26] <IdleOne> without any "let's make the world happy" bull about 24/7 stuff
[04:28] <Jordan_U> IdleOne: The 24/7 bit is there to make people realize that we as supporters in #ubuntu have "standing" to protest others explaining how to enable root, or any other unsupported "advice".
[04:29] <rww> Ironically, I spent a few hours yesterday trying to make Debian not use a root account. Got the sudo stuff working, but some of the gui stuff (not gksudo, the other one) is being silly.
[04:30] <Jordan_U> rww: policykit?
[04:30] <rww> probably
[04:31] <IdleOne> Jordan_U: I guess so.
[04:32] <Tm_T> Synaptic in my Ubuntu, when launched from menu, requests root password which unsurprisingly doesn't exist
[04:32]  * Tm_T should dig up what's going on
[04:33] <rww> I wish things that ask for a root password would check whether the root account is enabled first, check for sudo privileges if it isn't, and ask for them instead.
[04:34] <Tm_T> other way around, check sudo rights first
[04:34] <Flannel> rww: Sounds like metasudo is a program you're going to be developing in the future!
[04:35] <rww> Tm_T: true
[04:35] <Flannel> rww: You could call it sussudio
[04:35] <rww> more like nonsillypolicykit
[04:36] <rww> there's a 'sudo -l' command that would indicate whether the user has privs for a particular command too, so it's not like you'd have to do something hard like parsing sudoers.
[04:36] <rww> anyways
[04:37] <rww> Pici: if the first thing you pinged me about was a different thing from the factoid edit, PM me and I'll get back to you. I'm feel like I'm coming down with a cold or something, so I'm getting as much sleep time in as possible today.
[04:37] <Flannel> rww: Thats what you get for eating all that pasta
[07:05] <Guest83930> h00k: you could help freenode not bounce :)
[07:05] <Guest83930> speaking of root accounts, most of the machines i have to log into at work are using root.   i twitch every single time...
[07:07] <Tm_T> Guest83930: identify (;
[07:07] <Guest83930> Tm_T: yeah yeah...
[07:07] <Guest83930> hum
[07:07] <Flannel> Hello Ms Guest Eight Three Nine Three Zero!
[07:07] <rww> It's how we know you're not a cylon disguised as Hobbsee.
[07:07] <Guest83930> it's the guest to be
[07:08] <Guest83930> come on...i've got my cloak back, where's my nick?
[07:08] <Flannel> Guest83930: You need to nick manually, it won't automagically move you there
[07:09] <Guest83930> [18:08] [Error] Hobbsee is currently unavailable.
[07:09] <rww> /msg nickserv release Hobbsee
[07:09] <Guest83930> ahh, that's the final rune
[07:09] <Hobbsee> i've been dealing in oftc services, which are different
[07:10] <Hobbsee> and to review a ban.  wo
[07:10] <Hobbsee> w
[07:11]  * Hobbsee wonders what 'review' means in this context - as in, comment on it somewhere or not
[07:11] <rww> Hobbsee: check if you still want the ban to be there and remove it if you don't
[07:11] <Hobbsee> rww: rightio.  it can stay
[07:12] <Jordan_U> I love how ubottu lies in wait untill you comment.
[07:12] <rww> I usually also take the opportunity to make sure I commented on it if I want it to stay, but that's besides the point.
[07:12] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:13] <jussi> Jordan_U: ubottu is like a jumping spider... waiting for its prey :P
[07:14]  * jussi likes that rww is promoting good habits :)
[07:14]  * Hobbsee drops the jussi table
[07:14] <jussi> hello Hobbsee... who let you in here? :P :P
[07:15] <Hobbsee> jussi: :P
[07:16] <jussi> rww: does -ot mean you are now "posessed" ? :P
[07:16] <Hobbsee> jussi: i've been dealing with a borken cpanel box today.  you be good
[07:16] <rww> i own ubottu now.
[07:16] <jussi> AHEM!!
[07:16] <Flannel> rww: We're going to put you in a floating chair with a single light for communication!
[07:17] <jussi> Hobbsee: Im dealing with a borken cmsmadesimple... I win :P
[07:17] <rww> i also restarted the UbuntuIRC FloodBot yesterday. I felt powerful.
[07:17]  * Hobbsee still needs more brain bleach to deal with the base64 encoded php
[07:17] <Hobbsee> oh dear
[07:24] <Jordan_U> rww: Did you mean to do all that in #ubuntu?
[07:24] <rww> ... that wasn't a banforward
[07:24] <rww> Jordan_U: yes
[07:25] <Jordan_U> Sorry, just realized it's another bot you were testing for.
[07:25] <rww> I'm checking whether the various talking scripts I found in the last few days got removed when I PMed their owners. Signs point to no.
[07:27] <rww> Signs also point to CP-Knox having one of those craptacular "This isn't the room I wanted to be in! I should part and rejoin!" scripts >.>
[07:28] <rww> changed to normal ban. user can figure it out themselves.
[07:34] <Flannel> Hi Sriram, how can we help you today?
[07:38] <Sriram> Flannel, I am an ubuntu user, and strongly want to contribute. So just thinking if I can join the operator team
[07:42] <jussi> Sriram: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements
[07:43] <Tm_T> heh, was just about to paste the very same
[07:43] <Tm_T> also I think this is good to be read too https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam
[07:43] <rww> !canibeanop
[07:44] <rww> perhaps add IrcTeam to the last sentence
[07:44] <rww> assuming that wouldn't make the factoid overly huge
[07:45] <Tm_T> that factoid can never be huge enough
[07:46] <jussi> Sriram: so, there is some reading for you. May I also remind you of the channel topic in here? :)
[08:02] <rww> bazhang: If you're not busy, could you update !cn to include /joining instructions (like !it, for example, has)?
[08:09] <bazhang> something like: 打字 /join #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk  <-- unless you wish to repeat the join ( 打字 )
[08:12] <rww> the !it factoid has "(to enter, type « /join #ubuntu-it » without the angle quotes)" at the end, but I guess that would be complicated by there being three channels. hrm.
[08:14] <rww> Does "For Ubuntu help in Chinese, type /join #ubuntu-cn, /join #ubuntu-tw, or /join #ubuntu-hk ." translate well? It's a little redundant, but the factoid's short enough that I don't think it matters much.
[08:14] <bazhang> well just repeat the 打字 then
[08:23] <rww> bazhang: "For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道：打字 /join #ubuntu-cn 或者 打字 /join #ubuntu-tw  或者 打字 /join #ubuntu-hk"?
[08:29] <bazhang> why is ubuxubu insisting on having a fat32 partition in a regular partition scheme.
[08:29] <bazhang> rww, yep
[08:30] <rww> !no, cn is <reply> For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道：打字 /join #ubuntu-cn 或者 打字 /join #ubuntu-tw  或者 打字 /join #ubuntu-hk
[08:30] <rww> bazhang: thanks :)
[08:31] <bazhang> no idea why he is suggesting that.
[08:32] <Jordan_U> bazhang: Because it can be read and written to (even after a dirty unmount) by any OS most likely.
[08:32] <rww> It would make a small amount of sense if they were dualbooting. As far as I can see, they're not?
[08:32] <bazhang> Jordan_U, he says if 'buntu gets corrupt', never heard or had that happen, and ntfs works much better without the size constraint on fat32
[08:33] <Myrtti> years and years ago I was young enough to attempt to have /home in fat32
[08:33] <bazhang> hehe
[08:33] <Myrtti> needless to say, pain and suffering was followed by the decision
[08:33] <rww> I dislike FAT32. The 4GB filesize limit causes so many problems these days.
[08:34] <Tm_T> needles say, pain and suffering
[08:34] <Tm_T> ^sounds like voodoo
[08:34] <bazhang> ext4 is perfectly fine
[08:35]  * Jordan_U <3 btrfs
[08:35] <rww> I use ext4. Haven't gotten around to trying btrfs yet.
[08:35] <bazhang> he is giving zero evidence why ext3 is 'better'
[08:36] <Tm_T> <3 FAT16
[08:36] <ikonia> then stop him
[08:37] <bazhang> oh great. he's pimping his own channel now
[08:40] <ikonia> it's the balsaq guy again, the one who was mistaken for balsac
[08:40] <rww> fun
[08:44] <elky> ikonia, where?
[08:44] <bazhang> elky, the ubuxubu guy
[08:44] <elky> I'm glad he's picked a new nickname.
[08:48] <elky> As I said before the universe split open; I'm glad he's picked a new nickname.
[08:48] <Myrtti> that's interesting
[09:00] <Myrtti> that was funky
[09:03] <Myrtti> jussi: cmsms is funky. If you have troubles with it, why don't you join #cms ;-)
[09:29] <elky> _H is on borrowed time.
[09:30] <Myrtti> indeed
[09:31] <rww> has been for a while, imho.
[09:31] <bazhang> he was in here complaining about being mocked iirc
[09:32] <rww> she, apparently
[09:32] <Myrtti> according to him/her
[09:32] <Myrtti> according to him/her, today
[09:35] <rww> and yesterday, and last month ;P
[09:47] <ikonia> no thanks
[09:47] <ikonia> oops
[09:49] <jussi> yes please :P
[09:49] <Myrtti> argh. my brain hurts.
[09:50] <Jordan_U> dain bramage?
[09:54] <Myrtti> having to proofread some text does that
[10:01] <UBUxUBU> is someone looking for me?
[10:01] <bazhang> UBUxUBU, hi
[10:01] <UBUxUBU> sup
[10:02] <bazhang> UBUxUBU, something you need assistance with today?
[10:02] <UBUxUBU> one of my guys said you needed to speak too me
[10:02] <UBUxUBU> u and elky
[10:02] <rww> o.O
[10:02] <UBUxUBU> and ikonia
[10:02] <UBUxUBU> ?
[10:02] <bazhang> UBUxUBU, not sure what you mean by 'my guys'
[10:03] <UBUxUBU> i was told u guys had some stuff to tell me?
[10:03] <bazhang> UBUxUBU, we would have contacted you if that was the case
[10:03] <UBUxUBU> oh ok
[10:03] <UBUxUBU> have a good morning, afternoon or evening.
[10:04] <UBUxUBU> haha
[10:04] <bazhang> 'my guys' = channel logs?
[10:04] <rww> pretty much
[10:04] <elky> The "club" just gets creepier by the second
[10:05] <rww> ugh, he's there too?
[10:05] <Jordan_U> club?
[10:05] <rww> (apparently not)
[10:06] <elky> I dunno, but they're the only ones who obsessively read everything said here as though their lives depend on it, then invite everyone who is spoken about here in a less than complimentary manner to their pit of horrors.
[10:06] <bazhang> controversial non-ubuntu channel with two ##
[10:06] <Myrtti> would love if their logs would be public too
[10:06] <rww> hasn't been in there under that nick, was in there as balsaq 25 weeks ago.
[10:06] <rww> ubnotu has a !seen command ;)
[10:07] <elky> Myrtti, that's double-edged. Their logs under the ubuntu name would hurt.
[10:07] <Myrtti> elky: true, that
[10:07] <elky> rww, He could simply have been told by people he knows from there.
[10:08] <elky> I especially loved the bits of a log I saw once where they were discussing the best way to hide a murdered prostitute. Charming people.
[10:08]  * rww shrugs, prefers not to draw conclusions without evidence
[10:08] <elky> I can provide it if you want.
[10:09] <rww> that UBUxUBU got told by ##club-ubuntu people to come by here? sure.
[10:09] <elky> Ah. Not that. I thought you were referring to my prev comment.
[10:10] <rww> ah. no, them talking about that wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
[10:15] <bazhang> Ormie, hi
[10:16] <Ormie> Sorry I still think i was blocked even i waited for hours no answers has come
[10:16] <bazhang> Ormie, about video driver for ascii ?
[10:17] <rww> Ormie: You're not blocked from #ubuntu. We can see your messages in there.
[10:17] <rww> !patience
[10:17] <Ormie> Yes and about Cloud Enterprise
[10:17] <bazhang> Ormie, someone may not know the answer
[10:18] <bazhang> cloud is ubuntuone?
[10:18] <rww> no, Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud's a different thing
[10:18] <bazhang> heh
[10:18] <rww> http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/private
[10:18] <bazhang> uec then. perhaps #ubuntu-uec
[10:19] <rww> #ubuntu-cloud
[10:19] <bazhang> logical :)
[10:23] <topyli> the cloud is one of those unfortunate things you can't really discuss in finnish without giggling :(
[10:23] <rww> I can't discuss it in English without giggling, personally.
[10:23] <topyli> heh
[10:23] <elky> rww has a point
[10:24] <topyli> at least it doesn't translate to stuff like "we provide services for enterprises while high"
[10:24] <rww> lol
[10:24] <topyli> (in english i mean)
[10:24] <Myrtti> "we serve our customers speshul cookies"
[10:24] <Myrtti> OMNOMNOM SUGAR
[10:26] <elky> Im pretty sure the general population interpretation of cloud can be roughly translated from layman to tech with "you smoke lsd and make magic things happen, yeah. i want that"
[10:27] <elky> er, s/smoke/take/
[10:27] <topyli> "let's drop our exhange licenses and switch to weed"
[10:28] <rww> it'd probably be cheaper. exchange servers smoke crack.
[10:29] <topyli> we can say "free software" with a straight face though! :)
[10:30] <Myrtti> nobody understands what that means anyway
[10:31] <topyli> yeah. i suppose the options are misunderstanding and complete bewilderment
[10:31] <topyli> which is the standard anyway!
[10:31] <rww> say libre instead, so at least the French will understand you.
[10:31] <topyli> no no, we have a perfectly good word in finnish for it
[10:32] <rww> I'm starting to get the impression that every language except English does :(
[10:33] <Myrtti> people know what open source software means
[10:33] <Myrtti> libre software is not that well known
[10:34] <elky> rww, pretty much
[11:41] <elky> popey, is he this coherent as a rule?
[11:42] <popey> he just talks bollocks all the time
[11:43] <rww> ... damnit, bantracker lied to me.
[11:44] <elky> this kid is classy as
[11:44] <elky> "come and serve me"aha..ahahaha... bwahahahhahahaha
[11:44] <rww> incoherent bruder dude wandered in #ubuntu, BT said he was banned, so I /abr'ed him for ban evading. except apparently he isn't. meh.
[11:49] <Tm_T> popey: you can provide alanbell the required logs if need be?
[11:50] <popey> sure
[11:50] <Tm_T> good, just checking
[11:50] <popey> np :)
[11:50] <popey> I am not an expert at this irc op lark, so happy to get points from other ops!
[11:51] <rww> Fun fact: ubuntu/member/* has ops access in #ubuntu-irc, if it comes to that
[11:52] <popey> also happy to get direction from others about best course of action for loco opping. which i realise is a little different from 'core channel' opping
[11:53] <elky> the problem with loco opping is breaking the clique factor
[11:53] <elky> it could be compared to -ot in that regard though
[11:55]  * popey resists the temptation to do an airplane in -irc and say "I AM someone else"
[11:56] <elky> heh
[11:57] <elky> im tempted to go in shouting demands to be "served"
[11:59] <elky> ooh... which colour do I want: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004AAB9K6/ref=asc_df_B004AAB9K61670162?smid=A2KJQGATLULIBM&tag=pgmp-07-752-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22218&creativeASIN=B004AAB9K6
[11:59] <elky> (click second pic for colours)
[12:00] <popey> hah, how random
[12:02] <elky> i came across http://relogik.com/chigra earlier and was trying to find if it'd made it past concept stage yet
[12:07] <popey> erk no route to host
[12:12] <elky> popey, http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:iZP8MuemiFAJ:relogik.com/chigra+relogik.com/chigra&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au
[13:54] <Myrtti> oh my
[13:54] <Myrtti> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ylmf_OS
[13:56] <popey> based on ubuntu and they have sparc/ppc builds too!? blimey
[13:59] <Pici> ugh, not that again.
[15:29] <Myrtti> not again...
[17:17] <IdleOne> under control
[17:26] <IdleOne> the current java factoid points to a really messy/confusing page
[17:28] <IdleOne> would it be better to edit so it points to http://tinyurl.com/2ffg7cc ?
[17:29] <IdleOne> until the current page can be cleaned up, seems the server guide people are working on it.
[17:30] <LjL> help.ubuntu.com/community is generally in a sorry state :(
[17:42] <IdleOne> So what do you think of
[17:42] <IdleOne> To install a Java runtime on Ubuntu on 10.04 LTS and newer, see http://tinyurl.com/2ffg7cc -  For the Sun Java products and browser plugin, search for the sun-java6- packages in the !partner repository on Lucid (which must be enabled), or !multiverse repository on older releases.
[17:43] <IdleOne> that seems a lot more clear to me then the current link
[17:45] <IdleOne> !java
[17:46] <IdleOne> !no java is <reply> To install a Java runtime on Ubuntu on 10.04 LTS and newer, see http://tinyurl.com/2ffg7cc -  For the Sun Java products and browser plugin, search for the sun-java6- packages in the !partner repository on Lucid (which must be enabled), or !multiverse repository on older releases.
[17:46] <IdleOne> there