[14:01] <reya276> Morning Everyone
[14:15] <tiemonster> happy new year
[14:33] <dantalizing> morning
[16:20] <reya276> Wow KOffice 2.3 looks great
[16:27] <reya276> is there a way that I can download Krita 2.3 for Ubuntu 10.04?
[16:28] <reya276> they don't seem to have a PPA for Ubuntu
[16:30] <reya276> does this "1:2.3.0-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1" mean that is version 2.3
[16:31] <dantalizing> yes ... either that or its a sign of the impending apocolypse
[16:33] <reya276> LOL
[16:33] <reya276> dude how have you been man
[16:33] <reya276> long time don't speak bro
[16:33] <reya276> the last thing I heard from you was something about CSS
[16:34] <reya276> I'm looking at this repository so I can install Krita 2.3 to test http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/kubuntu_updates?dist=lucid
[16:36] <reya276> yeah I just added that repository but when I search for krita all I get is this version http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/kubuntu_updates?dist=lucid
[16:36] <reya276> oops
[16:37] <reya276> 1:2.1.2-0ubuntu1 (krita)
[16:57] <dantalizing> sry reya276 i had gone out to get something for lunch
[17:02] <reya276> is cool, I'm trying to find a PPA for Krita 2.3 but it seems like there is none, I added a Kubuntu backports PPA but no Krita
[17:06] <reya276> It seems like the only thing I get when I search in synaptic is Krita 1:2.2.2
[17:08] <dantalizing> ubuntu is trying to fix this type of situation ... but for now it looks like you'll have to wait until someone packages it up
[17:16] <reya276> could you tell if Krita is in this repo http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/kubuntu-ppa_backports?dist=lucid
[17:18] <dantalizing> doesnt look like it , but you should be looking at a maverick ppa anyway, no?
[17:18] <dantalizing> it is in the maverick ppa
[17:18] <dantalizing> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-i386/Packages
[17:19] <reya276> no because I'm running Lucid on this PC
[17:19] <dantalizing> oh
[17:19] <reya276> Yeah I have too many important apps running on here to upgrade
[17:19] <reya276> I'm also on 64bit
[17:20] <reya276> I can't even find an actual stand alone DEB file
[17:21] <reya276> man I have heard some cool stuff from folks that have tried it, if it can replace GIMP and I can do PRINT work then I will use this as my main PS replacement
[17:21] <reya276> ah this sucks http://pkgs.org/ubuntu-10.10/kubuntu-backports-amd64/krita_2.3.0a-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1_amd64.deb.html
[17:23] <reya276> oh could I use this http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/pool/main/k/koffice/krita_2.3.0a-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1_amd64.deb
[17:27] <reya276> what does the "a" means after Krita_2.30a?
[17:27] <reya276> does it stand for alpha?
[17:45] <maxolasersquad> reya276: According to the Krita website, that version is the "stable version aimed at developers, testers and early adopters, not at end users"
[17:46] <reya276> well I'm actually looking at this and it says its ready for production use http://krita.org/component/content/article/9-krita-updates/66-krita-230-released
[17:47] <reya276> so I'm trying to get 2.3 for Ubuntu 10.04 64bit if you can find a deb or a repository link for me that would be great as I have a Wacom Tablet here and I would like to test it and see how it stacks up against GIMP
[17:56] <reya276> this way I can point my fellow graphics designers whom are eager to switch from Windows to Ubuntu and they have not because GIMP does not provide Print(CMYK) model output
[17:57] <reya276> but Krita does and if this version is as great as some people are claiming then people can now have a true alternative to PS and Windows
[18:47] <reya276> How can I install a .tar file, it seems like the only way I'm going to be able to install Krita 2.3
[18:49] <jamalta1> reya276: a .tar is just an archive, so it either contains the source or the binaries for what you want to install
[18:49] <jamalta1> can you open it with the archive app? I forget the name
[18:49] <maxolasersquad> file roller
[18:52] <reya276> oh this .tar file is the whole Koffice
[18:52] <reya276> man could they not just offer the singel app
[18:53] <maxolasersquad> reya276: Are you trying to get 2.3 instead of 2.1?  2.1 is in the repos.
[18:53] <jamalta1> reya276: is the version in apt not up to date?
[18:55] <maxolasersquad> It would be nice if we could get the major Linux players to agree on a single package management system.
[18:55] <jamalta1> yeah i know what you mean
[18:59] <reya276> well I think that whom ever is maintaining Kubuntu should release a package of the new version
[18:59] <reya276> is like saying ok we got new stuff but since your on 10.04 you can't get it
[19:00] <reya276> so it a sense is like MS telling XP users to move on(well in their case is understandable 13+ years on XP) but my point remains the same
[19:02] <reya276> bah even the .Tar file is messed up
[19:02] <reya276> tried to download it and it failed
[19:03] <reya276> I swear I wonder if it is the Devs hyping this thing up so us designers can go crazy over this and in the end it sucks
[19:04] <reya276> I would be sooooo MAD
[19:20] <maxolasersquad> reya276: That's a pretty common complaint about Ubuntu, but it is kind of how Ubuntu works, as well as many other Linux distros.  A version of Ubuntu is, essentialy, a specific version of many pieces of software.
[19:23] <reya276> right....but I think that if they release say a new version they should at least provide some kind of PPA like most other pieces of software do, for some reason it seems like KDE does not do it because although they say 2.2 is supported by 10.10 but then what happens with 2.3
[19:23] <reya276> just a bit confusing
[19:24] <reya276> on their part, is like they have not caught up to the times, hardcore linux users are not the only ones using this thing, time to wake up and smell the coffee for some of these folks
[19:25] <reya276> either that or it seems like they don't want non-hardcore users within their exclusive club which would be a shame if that were the case
[19:26] <reya276> I have read post out there that they sometimes don't provide a way to install it on Ubuntu just because they want to stick it to Ubuntu just because Ubuntu is more popular right now
[19:27] <reya276> man that sucks and is a shame that these folks think that way, I think that anything that helps Linux growth is good period
[19:36] <maxolasersquad> Yeah, PPAs are the way for vendors to provide updated software on Debian distributions.
[19:36] <maxolasersquad> That post you read was probably baseless speculation.
[19:37] <maxolasersquad> Most people who really do hate Ubuntu on the grounds that it is the most popular distribution (though they'd never actually admit it) are usually not the people actually out there doing real work making real things happen.
[19:37] <maxolasersquad> they tend to just be sofa critics.
[19:40] <dantalizing> everyone loves to hate the top dog
[19:41] <dantalizing> i keep telling this story, but a year or two before Ubuntu started, people were calling RedHat "the Microsoft of Linux" ... funny how all of a sudden nobody has complaints about redhat ... 
[19:44] <rmcbride> one of the "special" aspects of 10.04 is that it's a LTS release. The rules for getting updates into an LTS are very specific, and generally only result in security bugfixes going in
[19:45]  * rmcbride is looking up info on this Krita package now
[19:46] <rmcbride> Oh I see. Very nice looking.
[19:48] <rmcbride> 2.3.0b-0ubuntu1 is in the Natty Narwhal alpha, FWIW
[19:52] <rmcbride> ah, yea since it's part of koffice a simple backport is not really simple unfortunately
[19:54] <rmcbride> I will say that it looks very much like krita is more of a Corel Painter type program than a Photoshop/GIMP type program
[19:55] <maxolasersquad> Sometimes you can install the .dev from one version of Ubuntu in another.  I would try it in a VM first, though.
[19:55] <rmcbride> yea you usually can do a force install of a .deb from one version to another, but wiht all the dependencies that koffice is likely to have, I'm not sure that will work. VM would be the way to test that
[19:55] <rmcbride> for certain
[19:56] <rmcbride> that's why I was going to see if it was a easy backport. It's not likely to be since it's part of a large suite of applications.
[19:56] <rmcbride> and I don't know a whole heck of a lot about backporting KDE stuff anyhow (yet)
[20:06] <reya276> maxolasersquad, hah lol I like that "Sofa Critics" I will be adding that one to my arsenal
[20:16] <reya276> rmcbride, well no because you can do straight photo editing in Krita just like you could in GIMP and then you also have the plus of having Painter type of effects that GIMP sometimes lacks
[20:17] <rmcbride> reya276: Cool. Certainly seemed like it would work, but from the wikipedia article I wasn't sure. When I get some time I'll have a look at 2.3 on one of my 11.04 boxes
[20:17] <reya276> rmcbride, but I'm more concern with the fluidity of the application if the video is any indication of how it performs then I'm all in. Also there is the single window which GIMP lacks and it has GPU acceleration
[20:19] <reya276> what really sucks about it is that I can't test it, specially since I have a tablet here and at home it would have been nice to take it for a spin so I can actually write a decent review of it
[20:20] <rmcbride> Yea I only have a very small tablet, and I haven't tried it on my 11.04 box yet. Something with media simulation like painter has would be neat
[20:20] <reya276> ok just to be clear on Ubuntu 10.10 I can install Krita 2.3?
[20:20] <rmcbride> well
[20:20] <rmcbride> The problem is that it's part of koffice
[20:20] <rmcbride> and koffice 2.3 is likely to have specific version dependencies
[20:20] <rmcbride> which also won't be directly in 10.04
[20:21] <rmcbride> 10.10 rather
[20:21] <rmcbride> at least on my laptop it shows 2.2 as teh version that can be installed.
[20:21] <rmcbride> there is no reason why it would not work, if all dependencies are met
[20:21] <rmcbride> one sec let me try something
[20:22] <rmcbride> ah, I dont' have those sources configured on this machine... hmm
[20:28] <rmcbride> reya276: it looks like it's in the kubuntu backports repo for 10.10. one sec and I'll get you the apt source lines
[20:30] <rmcbride> reya276: if you follow the "adding this PPA to your system" instructions here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports you should be able to get it installed. All of the dependencies should be met this way
[20:30] <rmcbride> there is a wider source for backports as well I think but this one won't upgrade your entire system to stuff that is post-Maverick
[20:33] <rmcbride> Basically two of the kubuntu maintainers have already backported it, but it won't be accepted into maverick main since maverick has already released. Using that  backport PPA, you can still install the newer version.
[20:35] <reya276> rmcbride, ok but that solution is only for 10.10 not 10.04 right
[20:37] <rmcbride> reya276: chekcing. they have 10.04 packages in that PPA too
[20:37] <rmcbride> but
[20:37] <reya276> yes it looks that way
[20:38] <rmcbride> it doesn't look like they have koffice. still looking
[20:40] <rmcbride> Yea looks like there's not  a backport of that to 10.04. Not a huge surprise given the release date on 2.3
[21:38] <reya276> rmcbride, thanks for the research. I appreciate it
[21:39] <rmcbride> reya276: no problem. Thanks for the pointer on the app. Look interesting
[21:41] <reya276> yeah I'm going to try it when I get home if it actually works on 10.10 as I have that at home
[21:41] <reya276> I will let you know how it works with the Wacom intous4 tablet
[21:42] <reya276> I remember at some point the Krita team was looking for people to either donate/test their apps with tablets
[21:42] <reya276> but don't know what happen. I hope it supports them
[21:51] <rmcbride> There's definitely tablet support in there from waht I saw
[21:52] <rmcbride> I don't have one hooked up here. I couldn't work out how brushes worked either, but I'm working right now and wan't get to it for a while
[21:53] <reya276> rmcbride, awesome then I'll give it a shot and see how it goes tonight, thanks
[21:54] <rmcbride> reya276: you're welcome. I'm interested in hearing how it goes.
[21:55] <reya276> man I hope it works well at least better than the GIMP because if it does we will have one more thing to BRAGG about
[21:56] <reya276> hey 2.2 works on 10.04 right
[21:56] <reya276> let me install that just so I can get familiar with it
[23:23] <Lupine> join #gnote