[00:00] <Cheri703> eh, they are full of crap on a TON of things, but...if I have a contract, then I'm willing to give it a shot...
[00:29] <dmcglone1> Hi everyone
[00:29] <Cheri703> hi
[00:30] <Unit193> Hello dmcglone1
[00:31] <dmcglone1> Hi Unit193, Cheri703 I'll be back in a second
[00:35] <dmcglone> back. did an update, and had to reboot. doesn't linux seem to be following in M$'s footsteps
[00:35] <Cheri703> eh, you only really have to reboot when there's a kernel update
[00:35] <dmcglone> yeah
[00:35] <Cheri703> and you don't HAVE to reboot immediately, just if you want to hop kernels
[00:35] <dmcglone> true
[00:38] <Unit193> Cheri703: I got another P4 2.4 processor....
[00:38] <Cheri703> nice
[00:53] <Unit193> Need 512 DDR Laptop RAM?
[00:53] <Cheri703> uhm, if you don't?
[00:54] <Unit193> Spare or currently can place in a lap?
[00:54] <Cheri703> would have to check the ones currently in the house to know for sure
[01:04] <dmcglone1> I should be here now
[01:04] <Unit193> Nope
[01:04] <dmcglone1> had to change my DNS entry
[01:04] <dmcglone1> I was trying googles DNS
[01:04] <Unit193> Don't like it?
[01:05] <dmcglone1> nope. it's actually slower than using my ISP's
[01:10] <dmcglone1> I've been eyeballing this one http://www.system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=106
[01:16] <Cheri703> nice
[01:16] <Cheri703> did you see the one from zareason?
[01:16] <Cheri703> hoverboard or something I think
[01:16] <dmcglone1> I either want that or a netbook
[01:16] <dmcglone1> no do you have a link?
[01:17] <Cheri703> http://zareason.com/shop/Hoverboard-X30.html
[01:19] <dmcglone1> Thats a nice one too!
[01:19] <dmcglone1> only thing stopping me from buying a netbook is development
[01:20] <dmcglone1> Oh no, the one from zareason only has intel chips
[01:20] <dmcglone1> :-(
[01:20] <Cheri703> http://zareason.com/shop/Strata-Pro-13.html
[01:20] <Cheri703> why is that bad?
[01:21] <dmcglone1> no, I just prefer AMD :-(
[01:21] <Cheri703> ok
[01:22] <dmcglone1> but if I have to I'll get an Intel
[01:27] <dmcglone1> 3D ready laptop: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Toshiba+-+Satellite+Laptop+/+Intel%26%23174;+Core%26%23153;+i5+Processor+/+15.6%22+Display+/+4GB+Memory+/+640GB+Hard+Drive+-+Slate/1277619.p?id=1218246225996&skuId=1277619
[01:27] <dmcglone1> freakin broken link
[01:27] <Cheri703> was about to say that
[01:27] <dmcglone1> I didn't get it all
[01:28] <dmcglone1> that was all of it
[01:28] <dmcglone1> how stupid of bestbuy
[01:45] <dmcglone1> I'm going to get a shower and watch tv
[01:47] <Cheri703> k
[02:07] <dmcglone> Ah all fresh and clean
[02:08] <dmcglone> I bet you all could smell me all the way up there :-D
[02:10] <Unit193> Well... the smell just went away :)
[02:11] <Unit193> What are you watching?
[02:18] <dmcglone> "all worked up" on Tru tv,but I'm not really paying much attention to it
[02:53] <dmcglone> Just got done writing my next blog post for tomorrow :-)
[03:15] <Cheri703> so I think I decided I'm going to dual boot the compaq my dad gave me
[03:15] <Unit193> Why? with what ones?
[03:16] <Cheri703> I have a compaq oem xp pro cd...and that way I can run some windows cpu heavy things without bothering my netbook
[03:16] <Cheri703> xp pro and ubuntu 10.10 I think
[03:16] <Cheri703> so long as 10.10 works properly on it
[03:17] <Unit193> Laptop or Desktop? (does it need ram :D )
[03:17] <Cheri703> *windows only things
[03:17] <Cheri703> desktop, and YES
[03:17] <Cheri703> you said you had ddr laptop ram?
[03:17] <Cheri703> and that won't work in the b130, correct?
[03:17] <Unit193> What type? DDR laptop, yes (b130 =DDR2)
[03:17] <Cheri703> this: 	PC2-4200 DDR SDRAM SODIMMs.?
[03:18] <Cheri703> other laptop takes that, but not sure how many slots for it
[03:20] <Unit193> This desktop needs DDR... if I can't use new 1G (KTD440G/1G) it's yours
[03:22] <Cheri703> oh?
[03:22] <Unit193> If it doesn't fit the game comp (would be nice for a spare, but...)
[03:23] <Cheri703> well, thanks :)
[03:25] <Unit193> 2X 256 PC2-4200 DDR2 desktops (fit anything that needs little ram?)
[03:25] <Unit193> What laptop can use the DDR?
[03:25] <Cheri703> the grey one my husband was using thursday
[03:25] <Cheri703> *maybe
[03:26] <Cheri703> have to check on slots
[03:26] <Unit193> It uses WinXP? cpu-z is the tool you need
[03:28] <Cheri703> yeah, it's somewhere though, not sure where he put it
[03:28] <Cheri703> I'll dig it out tomorrow
[03:30] <dmcglone> night everyone
[03:30] <dmcglone> :-)
[03:30] <Unit193> bye dmcglone!
[03:30] <Unit193> Cheri703: Mind doing a trade for it/them?
[03:31] <Cheri703> maybe?
[03:31] <Cheri703> what did you have in mind?
[03:32] <Unit193> have anything you don't need I may find useful? :)
[03:32] <Cheri703> hmm...will have to poke around
[03:33] <Cheri703> I do have a few cd-rw drives laying around. a 250w (ish) power supply, have to see what else
[03:33] <Unit193> again, the 1G is only if it doesn't fit Zeta (oldish comp that may use SDRAM)
[03:34] <Cheri703> gotcha
[03:34] <Cheri703> np
[03:34] <Cheri703> I'll look around
[03:35] <Unit193> anything else you might need?
[03:35] <Cheri703> hmmmm...will ponder
[03:36] <Unit193> I may have a internal USB hub...
[03:40] <Cheri703> nice
[03:40] <Cheri703> I have 2 15 (maybe 17?) inch crt monitors :) not that you'd want them
[03:47] <Unit193> http://www.laptopmemoryupgrade.com/memory/HewlettPackardOmniBookXE2SeriesMemory.html
[03:47] <Unit193> That's what I have used...
[03:47] <Cheri703> omnibook?
[03:47] <Cheri703> you have one or?
[03:47] <Cheri703> I have some laptop ram that wouldn't fit any of the other ones here
[03:48] <Unit193> Can't really be upgraded...
[03:49] <Cheri703> ah
[03:51] <Cheri703> ok, so dell xps m140 only has one RAM slot and it has 512 already :/
[03:57] <Unit193> I think I found it:http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/hp-omnibook-xe2-c/1707-3121_7-30074921.html
[03:59] <Cheri703> nice
[03:59] <Unit193> Not really.... slower then a turtle on a hot day....
[04:09] <Cheri703> Unit193: any non-computer things you might find useful? we have random stuff sometimes. many times someone as been like, "I could really use a ____" and we've happened to have one :)
[04:09] <Cheri703> OH, also, good battery arrived today
[04:10] <Unit193> anything else I should tell friend while I'm at it?
[04:12] <Cheri703> uhm...no? I will check battery + not-my-charger and see how it does. other option is if you guys (either of you) have a 3 pronged pigtail sitting around (the brick > wall part of an adapter) because I have the ACTUAL charger, but only the brick to computer part :/
[04:12] <Cheri703> basically this: http://www.bizrate.com/miscellaneous/oid855531865.html
[04:13] <Unit193> I could almost bet you money that I could get one....
[04:14] <Cheri703> ok, give me a minute
[04:15] <Cheri703> ok, yeah, if you can get one, I have the proper dell cord instead of that crappy replacement one
[06:28]  * Cheri703 is proud of herself :D
[06:29] <Unit193> That's most of the time very good, what did you do?
[06:30] <Cheri703> I set up a headless dual-boot machine :D I can remotely choose which OS I want, then log back into it.
[06:30] <Cheri703> I may be recruiting your help on putty, I've not used it before, might give it a shot
[06:30] <Unit193> I can't get off of it...
[06:30] <Cheri703> took me FOREVER to get the auto-switch-os thing working (mostly my error >.<) but it works now
[06:30] <Cheri703> get off of ?
[06:31] <Unit193> PuTTY
[06:31] <Cheri703> ah
[06:31] <Cheri703> so yeah, I might have you help me out with it :)
[06:31] <Unit193> KiTTY is also good... How did you do the remote OS thing?
[06:31] <Unit193> Grub?
[06:32] <Cheri703> well, there's a thing in grub, and I made it into a script, so I can set it to do a one-time boot to the other OS. then it'll boot back to ubuntu
[06:32] <Cheri703> and I made them both have the same ip, so I can vnc into either with the same settings
[06:32] <Cheri703> and I can currently ssh into the ubuntu side, but I'd like to ssh into the windows side if possible
[06:33] <Unit193> Yes it is
[06:33] <Cheri703> ok
[06:33] <Cheri703> sweet :D
[06:33] <Cheri703> not tonight, but at some point I'm going to consult your putty experience
[06:34] <Unit193> CopSSH/cygwin or FreeSSHd for ssh (no X :( )
[06:34] <Cheri703> ok, don't tell me tonight! my brain is in weird hyper mode and adding more info at this point won't do me any good :)
[17:07] <thafreak> Holy crap, I haven't been on here in A WHILE
[17:08] <thafreak> I'm estimating atleast since Dec 22...
[17:08] <thafreak> I haven't been in here since last year
[17:10] <thafreak> Anyone around?
[17:11] <thafreak> Just logged into my machine at home, fired up the browser, and it still had tabs open from when I was looking up stuff for my last stupid class
[17:11] <thafreak> don't you hate that...
[17:12] <thafreak> finding browser tabs you left open, while researching crap that pissed you off...
[17:12]  * Cheri703 is around, sortof
[17:13] <thafreak> Hey Cheri703, hows the job hunt going?
[17:13] <Cheri703> well, it looks like I'm staying, at least for a while. had a discussion with them yesterday, end result will be: actual contractor situation, on-call, more money than last year, so I'm willing to at least see if they can refrain from being insane
[17:14] <thafreak> excellent, that's good to hear!
[17:15] <deejoe> > willing to at least see if they can refrain from being  insane
[17:15] <deejoe> more like "more willing to put up with them being insane"
[17:16] <Cheri703> true
[17:16] <deejoe> since nothing mention seems to me like a "we'll be less insane" kind of thing
[17:16] <deejoe> s/mention/mentioned/
[17:17] <Cheri703> well, having a contract in place and being on-call will be different from "we want you to pay your own taxes but be available/working 40+ hours per week for what would be under minimum wage for a w-2 employee working 40 hours a week"
[17:30] <deejoe> ok, yes
[17:30] <deejoe> good point
[17:32] <Cheri703> :)
[17:33] <Cheri703> we'll see. how much more than last year is still tbd, but I'm holding out for a pretty substantial increase (though still way under what I "should" be making)
[17:33] <Cheri703> I'm honestly surprised we did alright for 2010...taxes are going to SUCK though :( didn't hold any aside last year
[17:51] <Cheri703> woo! my little project is coming together!
[17:51]  * Cheri703 is pleased
[17:55] <deejoe> say hello to mandatory quarterly payments
[17:55] <Cheri703> yeah :/
[17:55] <Cheri703> planning on setting aside quite a bit for it this year, and have an accountant doing my taxes this year
[18:25] <kyanardag> sorry, I got disconnected, I'm reposting my question (with minor typo corrections):  I'm using Ubuntu 10.04 on HP Pavilion dv7 and I have ATI Mobility Radeon graphics card. I take it granted that due to driver issues suspend/resume will not work. But I saw that at System76 website they sell Linux laptops with ATI cards and everything works fine. I contacted them and they said suspend/resume issues can be resolved by fiddling with Powe
[18:25] <kyanardag> rManagement. Is there any expert living in Columbus who can help me fixing this issue?
[18:28] <Cheri703> kyanardag: just because system76 hw can suspend/resume alright, doesn't guarantee yours will. some hardware just doesn't like it. It isn't necessarily due to ATI
[19:04] <cheri-703> Woo Android phone
[20:32] <canthus13> kyanardag: suspend/resume has more to do with the BIOS than the video card.  Try updating the BIOS on your machine and see if that fixes the problem.
[20:34] <kyanardag> canthus13, as far as I know the BIOS is up to date
[20:35] <canthus13> kyanardag: doublecheck anyway. THe main problem with suspend/resume is that most BIOS is a buggy mess of bandaided-together crap that caters to windows.  Linux attempts to minimize problems by pretending to be Windows when talking to BIOS.
[20:36] <canthus13> Unfortunately, BIOS is closed-source, which means a lot of reverse-engineering and guesswork on the part of the kernel programmers.
[20:36] <Unit193> canthus13: can'
[20:36] <Unit193> t you use biosdecode?
[20:36] <Unit193> To see what version you have
[20:36] <canthus13> Unit193: Probably. I've seen some disassembled BIOS code, and it's a scary mess.
[20:37] <kyanardag> canthus13, i'll check it out again. so, the suspend/resume can not be corrected by a single file hiding in depths of /etc ?
[20:37] <canthus13> Oh. that, I dunno. most BIOS shows the version on boot and inside the CMOS setup.
[20:38] <canthus13> kyanardag: Depends on what's causing it.  It *could*, I suppose.. I"d play around with the power management settings.  I wouldn't hold out much hope, though. my wife's dv6227cl hates to suspend, no matter what I try.
[20:38] <canthus13> It boots fast enough that she doesn't really care, though.
[20:38] <Unit193> biosdecode or dmidecode may work without reboot
[20:39] <canthus13> bah. Freaking windows is overriding my desktop control keys. :(
[20:41] <canthus13> Whoah.  System76 dropped their prices a LOT.  my dream laptop is about 1000 bucks cheaper now..
[20:42] <kyanardag> my biosdecode and dmidecode results are here: http://pastebin.com/MCYeLi05
[20:43] <canthus13> Looks like F.12   I'd check HP's website and see if there's something newer.
[21:03] <kyanardag> HP website says completely different BIOS version:
[21:03] <kyanardag> WinFlash for HP Notebook System BIOS (for Notebooks with Intel Processors) 2010-07-23 , Version:F.42 A
[21:53] <kyanardag_> canthus13, thank you so much, i did the bios update and voila, suspend/resume works perfectly.. if you didn't tell me bios might be the problem, i would be spending hours changing files with no luck..
[22:09] <thafreak> I forgot how awesome openldap can be!
[22:17] <Unit193> What are you using it for?
[23:16] <canthus13> kyanardag_: Any time. :)
[23:17] <canthus13> thafreak: I haven't forgotten how much of a pain in the ass <any>ldap can be. :P
[23:17] <canthus13> But yeah, sometimes I miss Active Directory. :)
[23:18] <Unit193> I think linux can connect to it... (don't need it for home)
[23:18] <Cheri703> so...just as a note: I'm soliciting tips/advice/whatever along the lines of either "things to do now to make your next installation easier" OR "tips for multi-booters"
[23:18] <canthus13> tip for multi-booters: delete windows. you'll have more hard drive space and less confusion.
[23:19] <Cheri703> well, yes
[23:19] <canthus13> Put windows inside a virtual machine where it can't hurt anything but itself.
[23:19] <deejoe> lvm for the win
[23:20] <Unit193> Can't really do that if it isn't your computer
[23:20] <canthus13> true.
[23:20] <Cheri703> the one I set up as a dual-boot is WAY too slow for a vm
[23:21] <Unit193> all too true...
[23:21] <Cheri703> I added 256 ram to it, and it's just over 512 >.<
[23:22] <Cheri703> 2.4 ghz 64 bit processor though...so it has some potential
[23:22] <Unit193> The DDR2 one?
[23:22] <Cheri703> uhm, I dunno? it's the desktop my dad gave me
[23:23] <Unit193> Ah, desktop, was thinking laptop...
[23:25] <Unit193> anyone try LibreOffice yet?
[23:25] <Cheri703> no
[23:26] <canthus13> 64 bit? Dual core?
[23:26] <Cheri703> not dual core
[23:26] <Cheri703> it's an old amd 64
[23:26] <canthus13> And 512MB ram is too little for Vista, 7, or XPSP3.
[23:26] <canthus13> Oh. Cool. :)
[23:26] <Cheri703> yeah, I need moar ram!
[23:27] <canthus13> More than enough ram for a web server, though. :)
[23:27] <Unit193> canthus13: 512 is fine for XP...
[23:28] <canthus13> Not for SP3.
[23:28] <canthus13> It drags butt badly.
[23:28] <canthus13> for SP2 and earlier it's fine.
[23:28]  * Cheri703 just pictured a computer doing the doggy butt scoot O.o
[23:29] <Unit193> Depends...
[23:36] <canthus13> Cheri703: Hehehe.
[23:37] <canthus13> Unit193: yes. Any windows machine old enough to come with 512MB should wear depends.
[23:39] <Unit193> Funny to watch WinV on a new comp with 512 :D it fails soooo bad... (doesn't MS say you can do it??)