=== paulproteus_ is now known as paulproteus [01:16] rhpot1991, oh, thanks! [01:17] bahh, $50 for a one time update: http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-n%C3%BCMaps-Onetime-Navigator-America/dp/B0026MTATW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1294103771&sr=8-2 [01:17] only 3/5 stars [01:17] $73 for a lifetime update, with only 4 /5 stars: http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-n%C3%BCMaps-Lifetime-America-Updates/dp/B001PKTFM8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1294103771&sr=8-1 [02:54] andrew: Victorinox money clip w/ knife andw hat not built in. I recently broke my money clip and haven't replaced it yet. I thought that was fitting for a scout === jthan_ is now known as jthan [04:09] tar_over_netcat++ [04:09] lzop_compressed_tar_over_netcat++ [04:12] That is so cool seeing all my files go into tar on one screen and see them dumped out a few seconds later on my other screen === DJAshnar is now known as SamuraiAlba [11:56] mornin, lamalex [11:56] How is Maine? [13:26] Morning [13:47] om nom sheetz breakfast sandwich [13:48] nom fail, watery oatmeal [13:48] trade ya [14:02] I like my oatmeal watery. But, then I cook it extra long so it congeals correctly [14:09] It's easy to fix watery oatmeal -- just cook it a little longer so some more water boils off. [14:11] That happens too but first the oatmeal turns to glue, which is good if there is a lot of water because it becomes thicker, but bad if you didn't use enough water [14:12] my oatmeal: one packet, add extra water, cook until polymerized [14:12] then, add splash of milk [14:12] This sounds too much like science [14:13] It is! It also conserves oatmeal, and calories. [14:14] oatmeal_conservation-- [14:14] ChinnoDog: sometimes I just think you are soooo odd [14:15] ChinnoDog: Hint: you don't get to lecture the rest of the channel about the proper way to prepare oatmeal if your first ingredient is "one packet". [14:15] waltman++ [14:15] even though, I too, am a packet guy [14:16] waltman: oatmeal alert - best oatmeal in philly - coventry deli - 20th& market [14:16] I will on rare occasions make instant, but it's much better if you cook real rolled oats. [14:16] i once, stopped for oatmeal, got towed, and didn't care - that's how good it is [14:17] I don't eat instant anymore. For awhile Quaker was making packets that had uncooked oats in it. I bought those because it was easier (and more portable) than mixing flavorings into uncooked and measuring out [14:17] If you have a recipe to duplicate the flavorings in uncooked oats, I am interested in that! [14:17] I use sugar-in-the-raw. It's got enough flavor that I don't feel the need to add anything else. [14:18] http://i.imgur.com/6edYs.png [14:19] That isn't enough. WhenI was a kid I was never able to add enough stuff to the unflavored packets in my oatmeal variety pack to make them palettable === toggles_ is now known as toggles [14:40] SamuraiAlba, pretty nice [14:40] I'm a little homesick but that's expected [14:53] lamalex: what are you doing in Maine? [14:53] living [14:56] I must be.. behind. You moved to Maine? [15:13] yeah [15:14] lamalex: when did that happen? [15:14] a week ago [15:15] Do you know anyone else up there? [15:19] you're behind, so go with he knows pleia2 [15:20] pleia2 does not live in Maine [15:32] Didn't she used to live in maine? [15:33] Knowing someone that used to live where you are doesn't count. :-p [15:35] ChinnoDog, no not really [15:35] I'm pretty much on my own [15:35] it was kind of a dumb decision [15:36] Go on [16:03] anyone know a free cellphone carrier lookup service? [16:04] You mean to identify carrier based on number? [16:06] lamalex: Why did you move to Maine? [16:07] ChinnoDog: correct. [16:07] Job? [16:10] waltman, no reason [16:11] crazy! [16:20] lamalex: Where specifically do you live? [16:22] In a log cabin somewhere deep in the north woods, I bet. === jackson_ is now known as jackson [16:39] no, Portland [16:39] although I've been looking at land out towards the mountains [16:39] it's pretty cheap [16:48] hey lamalex [16:48] Hey [16:50] I hope you're finding portland nice and bike friendly. [16:52] wrong portland [16:52] Maine [16:52] erm [16:52] oh [16:52] there are still lots of bike lanes and stuff up here [16:52] just also snow and ice [16:52] yeah [16:53] as opposed to freezing rain [16:53] Are you finding it cold and snowy? :) [16:53] waltman, not yet, it hasn't been any worse than philly [16:53] it was snowy a week ago! [16:53] we're getting snow again this weekend though [16:53] it was in the 50s over the weekend [16:53] yeah [16:53] it's 40' today [16:54] wow, a freenode channel where we can use fahrenheit! [16:55] ok, lunchtime [17:11] Wait, so 50F, that's 10C, right? [17:12] * waltman ducks [17:13] yes [17:24] exactly 10C [17:24] 32F = 0C [17:25] +18F = +10C [17:25] that's not how it works [17:25] oh, I see what you are saying [17:25] :) [17:25] I thought 1.8F = 1.0C [17:25] yeah [17:25] yeah [17:25] I thought you were adding something [17:26] just use w|a like i did [17:26] 50 = 32 + 18 [17:26] -40=-40 [17:26] 32 being the freezing in F [17:27] and if you add 18F, which is the same as added 10C [17:27] 68F = 20C = room temperature [17:27] *same as adding 10C === DJAshnar is now known as SamuraiAlba [17:36] pleia2: I hear they discontinue calendars every december [17:38] the calendars end, they don't discontinue :P [17:38] they'd been releasing Disney Days calendars since at least 1997, I've had one every year since then [17:38] none for 2011 :( [17:38] you don't have a W&G calendar? [17:39] I have a W&G wall calendar, not a daily one [17:39] and I only have the wall calendar because it was shipped to me by a company in the UK for promoting some of their new products, they're usually stupid expensive to get here [18:08] Netgear - Used for skeet shooting. [18:09] SamuraiAlba, yup, nice blue target [18:10] although their cheap plastic consumer products deserve more to be used as a target than their blue metal products [18:12] I have one of their blue metal things... apparently the power adapter isn't covered under the lifetime hardware warranty [18:12] pleia2: I picked up a lovely WWF penguin-a-month calendar at Borders last week for 50% off :) [18:13] suggestions as to where to get a 12VDC 1Amp adaptor for a reasonable cost? [18:13] Radio Shack? Microcenter? [18:13] Home Depot? [18:15] Home Depot would have them? [18:15] I confess I don't even know what it is. :) [18:16] But Lowes and Home Depot both stock lots of electrical stuff. [18:16] I don't actually have a very good place to put a wall calendar [18:17] oh, THAT'S what it is. [18:17] doubtful on the depot. [18:18] I have a WPN824 v1 [18:18] possible on microcenter [18:18] Dang thing reboots whenever the phone rings or the microwave is used, and then DHCP craps out [18:20] Are you sure that the outlet it is plugged into is properly grounded? [18:21] tested on multiple outlets, and with an identical (working) adapter [18:28] How cheap do you want to be? http://www.sciplus.com/index.cfm/go/front.tagged/tag/DC [18:29] Oh. None of those adapters meet your specs [18:29] Ideally something that works... [18:29] most i've found are about $20 (product + shipping) [18:31] Wait, your router uses 12 watts? 12v @ 1A seems like a lot... [18:33] it's a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122203 [18:34] andrew, I may have one [18:34] there are adjustable adapters [18:34] ChinnoDog, that's the absolute max, but yeah [18:34] as in the TDP, including power spikes [18:35] oh. I thought we were talking about something much smaller than that. [18:36] andrew, good news. I have Linksys 12V 1A adapter. I think it's a spare [18:37] looks like the standard size plug [18:38] yeah, it fits in my netgear switch which takes 12V 1.2A [18:39] Now I have to remember where you are located, I was thinking for a moment that I was in #plug, but I'm not. [18:58] can anyone suggest any videos for my youtube playlist? [18:58] http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=21BA3922659341DA [18:59] "Silly Portrayals of Hacking" [19:03] nm, found this [19:03] http://io9.com/5643388/the-10-goofiest-computer-hacking-scenes-in-cinema-history [19:58] Is Android on a tablet just like Android on a cell phone, only bigger? [19:58] Is iPad just like iPhone, only bigger? [19:59] pretty much, yeah [19:59] http://www.begeek.fr/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/691404701.jpg [20:00] I mean, it's the same OS, but apps can do more with the increased screen real estate. [20:00] potentially [20:00] it's an iOS world, we just live in it. [20:00] last I checked, Android hasn't been designed to optimally take advantage of tablets [20:00] speaking of which, the Apple App Store goes live on Thursday. [20:01] (and actually limits screen size if you want to official market) [20:01] waltman: so.. what linux has had for years, apple will finally get? [20:02] linux has an app store? [20:02] In concept, assuming that it's like a repository system [20:03] only at a high level [20:04] I have to admit that the iPhone app store, for being an evil corporate monopoly and all that, is actually quite nice. [20:04] An Ubuntu app store would be awesome [20:04] it would [20:04] that's what the software center is [20:05] there are paid applications in it [20:05] There are? I never go in there. lol [20:05] * ChinnoDog goes to look [20:05] and...is it awesome? [20:05] in addition to all the free ones [20:05] waltman: it is! [20:06] * waltman also confesses he runs debian, not ubuntu :( [20:06] I think there are only 3 paid apps at the moment [20:06] hah [20:06] This app store is not awesome. WEhre are the paid apps? [20:06] but hey, you've got to start somewhere! [20:06] s/WEhre/where [20:07] ChinnoDog: there isn't a different between paid and free in the interface, there are like 20,000 free and 3 paid ;) [20:07] s/different/difference [20:08] Oh. So, they have a repo but then you have to license it to use it? [20:08] actually, there should be a "for purchase" section [20:08] brukkon is a paid app [20:08] and fluendo [20:09] Oh. The software center in 10.10 on my desktop has a For Purchase. The one on my laptop in 10.04 is not as organized. [20:09] I don't think 10.04 has any paid apps [20:09] 10.10 is when they added it to the software center [20:10] Well, that is interesting. I don't think it is well known or popular enough to get any developers to scrable to put anything in it though [20:10] you're an ubuntu developer and didn't know about it..? [20:10] At least, nothing that didn't already exist as a paid app for linux. [20:10] I think that would be unusual, it's been talked about a lot [20:10] planet, news, articles [20:10] I never have a reason to open software center! [20:11] I didn't even know what it looked like. [20:11] heh [20:11] I always install from command line, synaptic, or ubuntu-tweak [20:11] but you're saying you wished something existed and it does, I figured you would have at least looked to see if it existed before you complained ;) [20:13] The Ubuntu implementation of the "app store" is not the same as iPhone / Android, but not because of its functionality. On those platforms you have to go through the store to get pretty much everything. IN this case, it is a part of the OS that new users see and others may never see. [20:14] I have not published any apps, but I think the allure of iPhone app store and Android market for developers is that you can publish something and people will find it, because it will be shoved in front of them the instant they search for it or something like it. [20:15] In Ubuntu (and linuxes in general) it is not nearly as easy to accidentally discover a useful application. You have to go on a hunt. [20:16] I think the allure of the app store for many iphone developers is that they'll make some money off of their app. [20:17] Right, but that will not happen unless 95% of the people out there are exposed to your app [20:17] Well, they're different sorts of apps. Most things I use on Linux can't be summed up with 3 or 4 screenshots. [20:18] they're by their nature much more visual [20:18] Shareware would work well in Ubuntu because it is easy to add/remove it whenever you wish, and apt will clean up after it [20:19] and they've got a professional marketing staff making sure the front page is all shiny [20:19] Unlike a certain other operationg system... [20:22] * SamuraiAlba hides his 9 windows 7 home premium licenses... [20:28] plural? [20:28] wait [20:28] 9 [20:28] why? [20:29] At 9, wouldn't it be easier to manage if you had pro instead of home? [20:30] @ping [20:30] That reminds me [20:30] bts3685|1ps: ping me when you get a chance [20:33] Hey.5 at GFs [20:33] oops [20:33] 5 at GFs [20:33] 3 at grammies [20:33] and a spare license to go on GFs sisters PC [20:34] Went legit :O [20:34] I don't know you people anymore! [20:34] I run Ubuntu 10.10 on my lappie and desk [20:35] ChinnoDog: I think you'll find yourself a very unusual Ubuntu user who doesn't know about the software center, it's what all new users use to get applications [20:35] synaptic is pretty much gone, most new users won't touch the command line [20:36] I'm wating for the day: < ChinnoDog > I just installed Ubuntu xx.xx and I can't find Synaptic. How an I supposed to install new software other than using the command line? [20:36] hehe [20:38] I admit I'm still clinging to synaptic (well, mostly the command line) [20:38] But honestly, I just opened USC, searched for 'svn' and Bazaar is the top result [20:38] There is always aptitude! [20:39] Although, that is not part of the default install anymore... [20:39] aptitude & vim-full [20:52] ok... How do I run multisystem as root? [20:57] aptitude++ [20:57] what does synaptic give you that aptitude doesn't? [20:58] an s? [20:58] a gtk gui? [20:58] yeah, that [20:58] ;-) [20:58] Oh, I was thinking it was a command-line app. [20:59] gtk gui [20:59] What do you mean by "run multisystem as root"? [20:59] ssweeny: thanks for the "gtk" qualifier. I've started to get a little . . . hurt . . . with the idea that ncurses interfaces are somehow not considered "graphical" simply because the are character-addressable rather than pixel-addressable [21:00] http://liveusb.info/dotclear/index.php? [21:00] En Francais [21:00] deejoe: i spend enough of my time buried in ncurses interfaces to appreciate them [21:01] \o/ [21:03] anyone know if a good usb debugging tool? [21:04] I prefer canned air [21:05] -.- [21:05] We are talking about getting bugs out of USB, right? [21:14] How do I login as ROOT in Ubuntu 10.10? [21:15] DJAshnar: use su [21:15] how do I use it? [21:15] sudo su - [21:15] yep, or su if you know the root password [21:16] the app multisystem says not root [21:16] i am getting quite angry at my new android phone, the usb isn't working anymore after the samsung update, i tested on two linux boxes and now i'm giving up home, i reset it but that didn't work :| [21:17] ssweeny: nothing wrong with ncurses. [21:17] http://liveusb.info/dotclear/ [21:18] trying to run that app as root [21:22] MutantTurkey, which phone is it? and what carrier? [21:22] DJAshnar: at&t Samsung GalaxyS Captivate [21:23] GSM? [21:23] gsm? [21:23] Is AT&T a GSM carrier? [21:23] i have no idea what gsm is [21:24] nm. Found they are. Return your fone [21:24] Yes, AT&T is GSM [21:24] Buy a Nokia N900 [21:24] Debian deriviative :) [21:24] Best phone I have seen. Android is a pale shadow [21:24] The answer to "how do I fix this?" should rarely be "stop using it" [21:24] but... does it have angry birds? [21:24] Android OS is brutally crappy. [21:25] ummm... [21:25] no AB [21:25] MutantTurkey: compared to? [21:25] andrew: linux [21:25] MutantTurkey: did you look online to see if the update killed/crippled the USB for anyone else? [21:25] Android sucks rotten goat compared to it. [21:25] ChinnoDog: yeah i've been doing some googleing around. [21:26] MutantTurkey: Mind being a bit more specific on that response? I don't know of anyone who runs vanilla linux on their phone. [21:26] http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ [21:26] there u go :) [21:26] andrew: lol [21:27] the only output i get from dmesg is like this http://pastebin.com/t61eLH86 [21:27] MutantTurkey, you updated your captivate from samsung's website? [21:27] and it said the update was for the AT&T model? [21:27] DJAshnar, the N900 does not do AT&T's 3G frequencies [21:28] he'd only be on 2G [21:28] mikedep333: the only update it did was from the little dialog box under settins [21:28] i figured that would be safe ._, [21:28] otherwise, I would have bought one for myself on AT&T [21:28] MutantTurkey, and it updated? [21:28] like, a big update? [21:28] took minutes? [21:28] yes [21:28] it had to reboot and then went to a little update screen and then booted regularly [21:28] then a few days later i tried to add more music to my phone and the usb wasn't working [21:29] MutantTurkey, I wouldn't put it beyond AT&T to put some sort of DRM on their USB connection. After all, they don't allow sideloading of apps. [21:29] what are you using to connect your phone? [21:29] what software are you using on linux? [21:30] mikedep333: the regular usb cable [21:30] yeah [21:30] what software on linux? [21:30] mikedep333: no software [21:30] hmm [21:30] that may be the problem [21:30] Arch Linux box, i just use the command line [21:30] yeah [21:30] what happened before? [21:30] well before it would recognize it [21:31] the phone prompted you to enable usb storage? [21:31] yes [21:31] then i did [21:31] i plugged, linux registered, android prompted, mounted androided ( i belive, i only did it twice) [21:31] they may have made an incompatible update. after all, the only official recognized platform is linux (and maybe OS X), but let's see what we can do [21:32] :| i also tried enabling usb debugging, rebooting the phone, all the good stuff, tried two different linux boxes as well. [21:32] you could install the android SDK. It may help you with mass storage. I've only ever used it for the android debugger (ADB) which is very powerful [21:32] http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html [21:32] i have that installed [21:33] adb didn't find any phones [21:33] did you update? [21:33] it has an updater built in [21:33] yes [21:33] and you may have to kill the old adb server or whatever [21:33] and run it as root [21:33] let me re upgrade [21:33] ok [21:34] up to date [21:34] hmm [21:34] what's the daemon called? [21:34] that loads when you run the adb [21:34] often I have to run adb as root or with sudo [21:34] to make the daemon run [21:35] okay i'll try that [21:35] hold on, let me switch to my linux box [21:35] daemon started successfully [21:35] ok... know any chants to the old gods? [21:36] shark bait OOO HA HA [21:36] * DJAshnar chants for MutantTurkey [21:36] Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! [21:36] starts tribal dance [21:36] /o/ [21:37] \o\ [21:37] \o/ [21:37] Phkaaka Phkaaka Phkaaka Chai Chai Raha'hueni Chai Phkaaka Phkaaka Phkaaka Raha'hueni [21:38] * mikedep333_ starts booting his android tablet [21:38] (: thanks bro [21:38] Cat just jumped on the lappy... [21:39] BAD PUSS PUSS! [21:39] oh, right, it's not USB powered [21:39] brb [21:39] like 1-2 mins [21:40] I want a Nook Color. Rooted. With the Kindle Reader app... === DJAshnar is now known as SamuraiAlba [21:41] hmm, looks like it froze/crashed [21:41] BT brought sexy back for pentesting [21:42] I'm going to be content reading ebooks on my Evo. Cheap ebook readers are B&W only and have management overhead, color e-ink isn't available and color tablets/readers have the same display tech as my phone anyway. [21:42] hmm, ok, I'll just use my phone [21:42] which is much more real supported product [21:42] :o [21:43] So, soon as an android phone is released with a large color e-ink display, I'll be there. [21:43] DJAshnar, don't forget about the archos 70 [21:43] it's getting amazing reviews on amazon [21:44] http://www.amazon.com/Archos-70-Internet-Tablet-Black/dp/B00422SH5C/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1294177454&sr=1-1 [21:44] hmm, I thought amazon was selling it [21:45] it's like all 4 or 5 star reviews. and most of the 4 star reviews are by non-techies and/or before the december firmware update [21:45] this multisystem app is gonna make me kick a kitten [21:47] sigh, what's the adb command to list connected devices? [21:47] nm "adb devices" [21:47] okay [21:49] hmm [21:49] I think adb runs as the daemon [21:50] it does [21:51] hold on, updating to my SDK tools rev8 [21:51] hold on, updating to my SDK tools rev8 [21:53] hmm, did my adb get deleted? [21:55] yeah, it looks like they removed the adb [21:55] i give up :| [21:57] wait [21:57] I have to install the "platform-tools" [21:57] which I'm doing now [21:59] well, regardless [21:59] you're using the sdk revision 8 [21:59] which has the android 2.3 stuff [21:59] install the platform-tools package [21:59] go to the platform-tools folder [22:00] run: sudo ./adb kill-server [22:00] then: sudo ./adb devices [22:00] i have adb currently [22:00] adb devices returns empty [22:03] ok... I wanna set fire to my lappy [22:03] or the creator of this app. [22:03] What OTHER app can I use to make a MULTIPLE ISO USB drive? [22:06] MutantTurkey, I think my phone isn't working properly [22:06] I have an acer with a custom ROM [22:06] Mine is also [22:06] i have no custom rom though :/ [22:07] acer never supported it very well anyway [22:10] MutantTurkey, I hate to ask, but do you have any windows systems to test your phone with? [22:11] you might be able to use bluetooth too [22:11] or a card reader if you're using a microSD card [22:12] nah i dont [22:12]