| starsprout | more like general FreeBSD DNS questions | 00:02 |
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| chibihogoshino | i just riped my life cam apart and stuck it on the back of my 300mm camera lens | 04:34 |
| Xpistos | Morning all. | 14:15 |
| Xpistos | wrst | 14:17 |
| wrst | hey Xpistos what's up? | 14:24 |
| Xpistos | Just giving out ip addresses this morning | 14:25 |
| cyberanger | morning everyone | 15:10 |
| wrst | morning cyberanger | 15:11 |
| wrst | hows it going? | 15:11 |
| cyberanger | fairly well, perl is still escaping me | 15:15 |
| wrst | most things escape me cyberanger just be glad you aren't there :) | 15:15 |
| cyberanger | hehe, and it's perl's escape and regular expressions syntax that's my issue | 15:17 |
| prings | hi | 16:44 |
| cyberanger | hello prings | 16:45 |
| cyberanger | Welcome to the tennessee locl | 16:45 |
| cyberanger | Welcome to the tennessee loco | 16:45 |
| prings | i have a question about this OS | 16:45 |
| cyberanger | (whoops, typo'd that) | 16:45 |
| cyberanger | sure | 16:45 |
| prings | how well does it match up with drivers | 16:46 |
| prings | i have an old dell desktop thats runing windows xp right now, and it runs ok but i want to make it run better | 16:46 |
| cyberanger | there isn't much that isn't supported | 16:47 |
| cyberanger | you can boot off the live disc to give it a more personal trial | 16:47 |
| prings | how well does it work for gaming | 16:47 |
| wrst | hello prings welcom aboard | 16:48 |
| cyberanger | but I think only two types of hardware I've ever had a headache with, 56k dial up modems ad tv tuners | 16:48 |
| cyberanger | what games do you play? | 16:48 |
| cyberanger | (unfortunately most commercial games are windows based, I can play call of duty, but not on a punkbuster server, unfortunately) | 16:49 |
| prings | alot of online games, jade dynasty right now | 16:49 |
| prings | and some older games like morrowind, and oblivion | 16:49 |
| cyberanger | jade dynasty is all online, if I recall, no issues | 16:50 |
| cyberanger | older games should be better than newer ones, but that's something that depends on each game | 16:50 |
| prings | does the OS take alot of running space like xp | 16:51 |
| cyberanger | memory or hdd | 16:52 |
| prings | both | 16:52 |
| cyberanger | both are better, but xp isn't too bad on that compared to newer os'es either | 16:53 |
| cyberanger | usually it's anti virus software that eats ram, video games, other software that chews up hdd space | 16:54 |
| prings | im a strange one i liked vista over windows 7 | 16:54 |
| * cyberanger holds his tounge | 16:54 | |
| prings | lol | 16:54 |
| wrst | wow | 16:54 |
| wrst | never heard that one before prings :) | 16:54 |
| prings | yea yea | 16:54 |
| wrst | i liked my 1983 casio calculator more than vista | 16:55 |
| prings | said to say i have more problems with 7 then i did with vista to | 16:55 |
| prings | sad to say* | 16:56 |
| prings | oh speaking of software will the OS still run all my anti virus and spyware programs | 16:56 |
| wrst | prings: but ubuntu is much lighter on resources than win 7 or vista depending on what you use as far as desktop effects it can be lighter than xp | 16:56 |
| wrst | you don't need them prings, but there are packages for antivirus | 16:57 |
| wrst | prings: thing you will want to get if you use ubuntu it is not windows at all | 16:57 |
| prings | right now im running, CCleaner, Microsoft security, and spybot | 16:57 |
| prings | all i have ever used is windows so i'm heading into unknown space lol | 16:58 |
| wrst | one thing with ubuntu all the software you need comes through th software center, you don't have to go out and find stuff download it etc etc | 16:59 |
| wrst | the software comes through repositories (repos) | 16:59 |
| prings | repositories? | 16:59 |
| wrst | yes its where all the software you will use comes from | 17:00 |
| wrst | cyberanger: help me out here :) | 17:00 |
| wrst | let me see if i can find something on it prings | 17:00 |
| cyberanger | prings: think of it as a central place for trusted software | 17:01 |
| wrst | thanks cyberanger :) | 17:01 |
| prings | thats the live disk you talked about earlier | 17:02 |
| cyberanger | no exe's to install, all the software is vetted, highly improbale to slip a trojan in | 17:02 |
| wrst | it can be prings but generally we are referring to downloading the software from the repos | 17:03 |
| * cyberanger hands prings a link | 17:03 | |
| cyberanger | http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download | 17:03 |
| cyberanger | the main install disc doubles as a live disc | 17:03 |
| cyberanger | a live disc isn't installed | 17:04 |
| cyberanger | think of it as, uh, a free trial, without messing up your xp install | 17:04 |
| cyberanger | just runs of memory and the cd drive | 17:04 |
| prings | it says i can have it installed with my current system, how much harder is that on the computer | 17:05 |
| cyberanger | so it will be slower than a real install, but will let you find out about your drivers | 17:05 |
| cyberanger | oh, wubi installer, it's less ideal | 17:05 |
| prings | will it look for the drivers for me or do i have to hunt | 17:06 |
| wrst | prings: its very easy to dual boot, you can do it two ways one is using wubi installer, i don't know about cyberanger but i dont' think that is the best way but it installs and you can remove it through the ad/remove programs in windows | 17:06 |
| cyberanger | it does work, but it ties into windows some, so it can be a headache to fix | 17:06 |
| wrst | you can do a true dual boot where you install it side by side and select which to start up on boot its really easy and guided on the install disk | 17:06 |
| cyberanger | or just remove windows ;-) | 17:07 |
| prings | how big of a usb stick do i need | 17:07 |
| wrst | to do the usb 1GB is really plenty | 17:07 |
| wrst | I use a 1 and a 2 GB stick all the time to run the live cd | 17:08 |
| * cyberanger prefers a cd drive, but yeah, you can use a 128 and an internet installer even | 17:08 | |
| * wrst prefers usb i don't waste a disk :) | 17:09 | |
| wrst | either is easy prings | 17:09 |
| cyberanger | (well, actually a 15mb stick would work for that too, but they don't make the that small) | 17:09 |
| elijah-mbp | i still have some that small :) | 17:09 |
| cyberanger | wrst: cd-rw, where's the waste ;-) | 17:09 |
| wrst | in my time cyberanger ! | 17:09 |
| wrst | wow elijah-mbp | 17:09 |
| elijah-mbp | in fact i think i have a 4mb one here somewhere :) | 17:09 |
| prings | lol, problem is my old computer doesnt like cd-r and wont burn (need new cd-drive) twitch twitch | 17:10 |
| elijah-mbp | these are like… 8 or 9 years old. very very early grad school days for me. back when they were phasing out zip drives on campus. | 17:10 |
| wrst | but anyway prings.... if you want to give it a try download it and we can walk you through step by step | 17:10 |
| prings | ok lets see what i can find | 17:11 |
| cyberanger | prings: if you burn it slower it might | 17:11 |
| cyberanger | older drives usually just want a slower speed for burnt discs | 17:12 |
| wrst | prings i would suggest you download the 32 bit latest version 10.10 then follow step two of that page to create a usb stick it will have you download a small app to make the usb for you | 17:12 |
| wrst | but be warned your computer depending on age could have difficulty booting from usb | 17:12 |
| cyberanger | and wrst I've done installs on machines too old to do a usb boot, so yeah.... | 17:12 |
| prings | cry cry my usb stick isnt workin | 17:12 |
| wrst | yeah me too cyberanger | 17:12 |
| * wrst hands prings a kleenex | 17:12 | |
| prings | got it BAHAHAHA | 17:13 |
| cyberanger | prings: actually, if your on windows, I'd use http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ | 17:13 |
| cyberanger | instead of that method | 17:14 |
| prings | another good question i should ask is if i do switch over to this os will i lose all the stuff i have on my computer now? | 17:15 |
| wrst | hmm cyberanger i thought that was a windows version of the ubuntu usb creator, i had that at one time yes i agree unetbootin | 17:15 |
| prings | ok its downlaoding the file now | 17:16 |
| wrst | cool prings | 17:17 |
| cyberanger | wrst: it has linux versions, and isn't just ubuntu, all the more I say | 17:17 |
| wrst | yeah i think in natty there is going to be an exe of the ubuntu usb-creator thing that comes on ubuntu that's where i have seen it | 17:18 |
| wrst | i was a distro ahead cyberanger | 17:18 |
| prings | ok for distribution i put in ubuntu and then what do i put, right now it has 10.04_live | 17:19 |
| wrst | cyberanger: wouldn't you suggest 10.10_live? | 17:20 |
| wrst | prings: make sure cyberanger agrees but i would select ubuntu 10.10_live | 17:20 |
| cyberanger | that or 10.04_live | 17:22 |
| prings | hmmmm so does it not really matter | 17:22 |
| cyberanger | well, the live matters, 10.04 is an lts, long term support | 17:23 |
| cyberanger | 10.10 is newer stable release | 17:23 |
| wrst | prings: 10.04 is a long term support release it is supported with updates longer but will have slightly older software, 10.10 is the regular release a new release every 6 months but has slightly more updated software | 17:23 |
| wrst | but they are both very good | 17:23 |
| cyberanger | if you have issues with one, the other might be different | 17:23 |
| prings | ...... | 17:24 |
| prings | ok | 17:24 |
| cyberanger | long term support, like how windows keeps extending xp's support cause vista stinks | 17:24 |
| cyberanger | err, do I mean windows 7..... | 17:25 |
| * wrst is smelling vista right now and i'm 30 miles away from it | 17:25 | |
| wrst | hello pace_t_zulu | 17:25 |
| prings | LOL i like 95 best of all | 17:25 |
| wrst | oh no prings :) | 17:25 |
| prings | >_< me and my simple mind and computer needs | 17:25 |
| pace_t_zulu | sup wrst | 17:26 |
| prings | so how will i know about the drivers once i get this downloaded | 17:27 |
| wrst | prings: everything should "jsut work" but you may need to install some proprietary drivers for wireless and video | 17:28 |
| wrst | but if you do that's pretty easy | 17:28 |
| wrst | we will find out some info from you to make sure that it will work when you install | 17:29 |
| * wrst heads to lunch | 17:29 | |
| cyberanger | prings: it's pretty automated, if something does not work, let us know | 17:31 |
| cyberanger | but usually it has the drivers, no worry | 17:31 |
| prings | this download is going to take awhile | 17:33 |
| wrst | yeah prings hopefully you have a quick connection :) | 18:06 |
| prings | still downlaoding LOL | 18:11 |
| prings | 90% woot | 18:17 |
| wrst | pretty quick prings | 18:18 |
| prings | really it feels like its taking forever and a day | 18:18 |
| elijahosborne | prings, must be downloading ubuntu? | 18:20 |
| prings | yep | 18:21 |
| elijahosborne | Just did that the other day from 11.04 back to 10.04. Downloading is not bad it is getting all the updates and programs back that is a pain. | 18:22 |
| wrst | elijahosborne: this is prings first time with ubuntu | 18:23 |
| prings | first time with something not windows LOL | 18:23 |
| prings | worried about what programs and drivers will or will not work but i want to see what its like | 18:24 |
| elijahosborne | Unbuntu rocks! lol installing lamp server right now | 18:24 |
| wrst | prings: everything should probably work, beautiful think about ubuntu pretty much everything you need is included | 18:24 |
| elijahosborne | prings, is it for laptop or desktop pc? | 18:25 |
| prings | desktop | 18:25 |
| prings | 5% extracting | 18:27 |
| Svpernova09 | Your first time with Ubuntu? Are you installing into a VM, or a blank secondary desktop? | 18:27 |
| prings | older desktop running windows xp right now | 18:29 |
| Svpernova09 | Ah, Cool. | 18:30 |
| prings | poor old little computer | 18:31 |
| Svpernova09 | hehe, you'd be surprised how well ubuntu runs | 18:31 |
| prings | doing the live thingy to see if i like before i deside to switch over and lose everything (at least i think i will) | 18:32 |
| Svpernova09 | It's definetely different. | 18:33 |
| Svpernova09 | You just have to find the substitutes for window's apps you're used to. | 18:33 |
| prings | can you give me an example | 18:33 |
| Svpernova09 | If you have firefox already, you can get the sync addon, and sync up everything, then sync the firefox in ubuntu, and it'll be a lot more welcoming since it'll have your bookmarks and saved info etc | 18:34 |
| Svpernova09 | Well like Photoshop / Image editing, on a linux box, you'd use GIMP | 18:34 |
| Svpernova09 | Instead of Trillian or AIM, or whatever, You'd use Pidgin | 18:34 |
| prings | nope dont use any of them ok i do use trillian | 18:34 |
| Svpernova09 | Instead of mIRC, you'd use Xchat | 18:34 |
| Svpernova09 | Outlook -> Evolution or some other email client. (not sure what the best email clients are, I gave up on those, webmail ftw) | 18:35 |
| prings | most i really have on it is Jade Dynasty, firefox, trillian, ccleaner, spybot, realplayer, microsoft security | 18:36 |
| prings | oh and morrowind | 18:36 |
| Svpernova09 | Not sure what jade dynasty is, but firefox carries over, You don't need ccleaner or spybot, or MS security | 18:36 |
| prings | jade dynasty is an online game | 18:37 |
| Svpernova09 | Looks like some people have got it working on ubuntu | 18:38 |
| prings | ok says i need to reboot and select usb boot option in the boot menu how do i do that | 18:38 |
| Svpernova09 | Something in your bios, you should be able to set a boot order, IE CD/DVD drive, hard drive, floppy, USB | 18:38 |
| Svpernova09 | make sure it tries USB before hard drive | 18:38 |
| prings | hmm | 18:40 |
| prings | ok i did try without installing | 18:40 |
| prings | i think ... | 18:40 |
| wrst | don't worry if you didn't it won't install anything until it ask you many times :) | 18:42 |
| prings | does it normally take awhile to start up | 18:43 |
| wrst | prings: running live it does, when installed its very quick to start up | 18:43 |
| prings | will realplayer work with it | 18:44 |
| prings | hmm i think i might have a problem, i have a magic jack pluged in not sure if it will work with it | 18:46 |
| wrst | i don't beleive there is a linux real player i'm not for sure but i'm srue there is something that will work... as far as magic jack i don't know is that how you get online? | 18:48 |
| prings | its my phone that goes thro my internet | 18:48 |
| wrst | oh yes i'm seeing that | 18:48 |
| wrst | prings: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1027567 | 18:49 |
| wrst | might be possible | 18:49 |
| prings | this is really strange | 18:53 |
| wrst | what is that prings ? | 18:53 |
| prings | all of it LOL | 18:53 |
| prings | how do i get online | 18:53 |
| prings | it finds my internet connection (wireless) but wont let me connet | 18:54 |
| wrst | prings you should just click on the network icon then on your network then it should ask you security password | 18:55 |
| prings | tryed it, it keeps asking me for the password | 18:55 |
| prings | my wireless thingy isnt blinking at all | 18:57 |
| wrst | have you entered the password? | 18:58 |
| prings | yea | 18:58 |
| prings | tyred it 4 times now | 18:58 |
| wrst | hmm could be an issue with the wireless card mabye, cyberanger you still around? | 19:01 |
| wrst | could you do something for me prings ? | 19:01 |
| prings | what | 19:01 |
| wrst | go to applications, accessories, then click on terminal | 19:02 |
| prings | ok | 19:02 |
| wrst | is this a usb wireless? or is it installed in your desktop? | 19:02 |
| prings | linksys usb wireless | 19:03 |
| wrst | ok in the terminal type this: | 19:03 |
| wrst | lsusb | 19:03 |
| wrst | then hit enter | 19:03 |
| wrst | you should see a line for that device copy and paste that in here if you don't mind | 19:03 |
| prings | cant copy and paste running 2 differnet computers, says no command found | 19:04 |
| wrst | hangon... | 19:04 |
| * wrst brushes up on his commands real fast :) | 19:04 | |
| wrst | ok that is l as in Larry | 19:05 |
| wrst | lsusb | 19:05 |
| prings | oh ok | 19:05 |
| prings | >_< lost of stuff now | 19:05 |
| wrst | ha ha probably be a line there that says something to the effecte of wireless network controller or may mention linksys | 19:06 |
| prings | yes | 19:06 |
| wrst | ok what does it say? | 19:06 |
| prings | bus 001 devi e 004: ID 1737:3371 Linksys wusb600N Dual-band wireless-n usb network adapter | 19:07 |
| wrst | ok let me do a little checking prings | 19:07 |
| prings | oops that 1737:0071 | 19:07 |
| pace_t_zulu | prings do you know how to copy-paste from the terminal? | 19:08 |
| pace_t_zulu | [ctl]+[shift]+[c] --> copy | 19:08 |
| prings | wont work to copy anyways, 2 differnet computers | 19:09 |
| wrst | prings: it will work, probably not on a live cd | 19:09 |
| prings | ok where do u want me to paste to | 19:10 |
| prings | and what do u want me to copy | 19:10 |
| wrst | nothing that pretty well got it, let me wait for conformation on this, pace_t_zulu you have time to look at this: http://blog.barfoo.org/2009/11/15/linksys-wusb600n-on-ubuntu/ | 19:11 |
| wrst | i'm thinking it will work but probably not on a live cd | 19:11 |
| pace_t_zulu | [ctl]+[shift]+[v] --> paste | 19:14 |
| pace_t_zulu | ^ meant to send that sooner | 19:14 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Linksys%20WUSB600N | 19:15 |
| pace_t_zulu | prings: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Linksys%20WUSB600N | 19:16 |
| wrst | thanks pace_t_zulu | 19:16 |
| pace_t_zulu | looks like you have some hoops to jump through | 19:16 |
| pace_t_zulu | unfortunately | 19:16 |
| prings | and i think mine is a v1 | 19:17 |
| wrst | pace_t_zulu: since his is not a version 2 do those instructions apply? | 19:18 |
| pace_t_zulu | if it isn't v2 - then all those steps shouldn't be necessary... | 19:18 |
| pace_t_zulu | let me look closer | 19:18 |
| prings | ... | 19:19 |
| prings | well | 19:19 |
| prings | u dont need to | 19:19 |
| wrst | pace_t_zulu: i'm wondering if/when he installs that it won't work | 19:19 |
| prings | lol i unpluged it to look at what v it was pluged it back in and its working | 19:19 |
| wrst | ha ha ok prings :) | 19:19 |
| wrst | that's good | 19:19 |
| wrst | sometimes in the live environment things are a little funky | 19:19 |
| wrst | pace_t_zulu: its working now ^^^^ | 19:20 |
| pace_t_zulu | good to hear | 19:20 |
| prings | so how do i get my game to work | 19:20 |
| wrst | prings: i'm so used to running linux or dealing with my wife's osx restarting doesn't fix things there like it does in windows :) | 19:20 |
| prings | i tryed clicking on the exe file but it pulls up something strange | 19:20 |
| wrst | prings: exe files don't work | 19:20 |
| wrst | only thing you can try for games is wine | 19:21 |
| prings | cry cry | 19:21 |
| wrst | prings: ubuntu does not do windows apps, but you can try wine sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't | 19:21 |
| wrst | but not preferred | 19:21 |
| prings | but said there was a way to get the online game to work | 19:21 |
| wrst | maybe prings but probably going to be something you will want to do on an install not on a live env. | 19:22 |
| prings | how do u run things if exe dont work lol | 19:22 |
| wrst | prings: that's a windows format | 19:23 |
| prings | my computer world infor is all upside down lol | 19:23 |
| pace_t_zulu | prigs you wouldn't want to game from a live cd | 19:24 |
| wrst | this is the same difference if you had a mac prings if that helps you any (more or less) | 19:24 |
| pace_t_zulu | prings: here is some information about Wine: http://www.winehq.org/ | 19:24 |
| prings | darn all i thought i had to do was cry LOL | 19:26 |
| wrst | no prings but if you want to install it and give it a try we will do our best to help you out, but if you are a big time gamer, ubuntu may not be best for you | 19:27 |
| wrst | and opensource/linux games are behind the windows world | 19:27 |
| wrst | but i do enjoy me some open arena and sauerbraten | 19:27 |
| prings | sigh darn | 19:27 |
| prings | oh well i know who this os will work great for | 19:28 |
| prings | i think | 19:28 |
| wrst | ha ha cool prings | 19:29 |
| prings | i like my games | 19:30 |
| wrst | :) | 19:31 |
| wrst | games are good | 19:32 |
| prings | well thanks for all the info i guess im off | 19:35 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: guess we lost that one | 19:41 |
| wrst | yeah hard to convert gamers | 19:41 |
| pace_t_zulu | always better to be honest | 20:00 |
| pace_t_zulu | "The Challenge In Delivering Open-Source GPU Drivers" http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODk3MA | 20:06 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: ^ | 20:06 |
| pace_t_zulu | interesting article about graphics drivers in linux | 20:14 |
| wrst | yeah if someone is wanting a gaming system ubuntu isn't for them, really osx probably isn't for them | 20:24 |
| wrst | on my way to that link pace_t_zulu | 20:24 |
| pace_t_zulu | if someone wants a gaming system - they should look at consoles ... much better gaming experience for much less money | 20:25 |
| wrst | agreed pace_t_zulu | 20:27 |
| wrst | and good article | 20:27 |
| wrst | to build a proper windows gaming system you are talking 1k and well that's not exactly going to be a beast | 20:27 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: plus the fact that no software developers are targeting your system... you'll never get the most out of that hardware | 20:34 |
| pace_t_zulu | it's a fine line between getting the most out of hardware and bringing hardware to its knees... console developers can walk that line | 20:34 |
| wrst | yes very good point | 20:35 |
| pace_t_zulu | nevermind that the console hardware is sold at a loss ... the manufacturer makes up the difference in royalties from game sales | 20:35 |
| wrst | pace_t_zulu: i'm guessing with a console only having one purpose it probably doesn't take near the hardware either? | 20:36 |
| * wrst is a little clueless to consoles, he just knows his wii works when he turns it on | 20:36 | |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: the console is going to be far more predictable | 21:00 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: set hardware spec ... everything you need ... nothing extra that you don't need | 21:01 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: there is going to be much less overhead from the operating system | 21:01 |
| wrst | kinda what i thought | 21:04 |
| wrst | but one would think that linux would be a great gaming system over windows if the developement was there | 21:05 |
| pace_t_zulu | well the game developers aren't there | 21:06 |
| pace_t_zulu | but hardware driver developers aren't there either | 21:06 |
| wrst | yep that's true would need decent video drivers :) | 21:07 |
| cyberanger | that's what I get for going offline | 21:23 |
| cyberanger | wrst: did he run jockey-gtk ? | 21:24 |
| wrst | cyberanger: never made it that far :) | 21:24 |
| Xpistos | When do the Tablet devs get there? | 21:26 |
| cyberanger | wrst: hehe, his card did work, guess that was the only hardware he had an immedate issue with | 21:27 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: his bigger issue was that he's a pc gamer | 21:28 |
| wrst | yeah and really not a lot of help that ubuntu will provide to hard core gamers | 21:32 |
| cyberanger | unfortunately | 22:29 |
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