[00:02] more like general FreeBSD DNS questions [04:34] i just riped my life cam apart and stuck it on the back of my 300mm camera lens [14:15] Morning all. [14:17] wrst [14:24] hey Xpistos what's up? [14:25] Just giving out ip addresses this morning [15:10] morning everyone [15:11] morning cyberanger [15:11] hows it going? [15:15] fairly well, perl is still escaping me [15:15] most things escape me cyberanger just be glad you aren't there :) [15:17] hehe, and it's perl's escape and regular expressions syntax that's my issue [16:44] hi [16:45] hello prings [16:45] Welcome to the tennessee locl [16:45] Welcome to the tennessee loco [16:45] i have a question about this OS [16:45] (whoops, typo'd that) [16:45] sure [16:46] how well does it match up with drivers [16:46] i have an old dell desktop thats runing windows xp right now, and it runs ok but i want to make it run better [16:47] there isn't much that isn't supported [16:47] you can boot off the live disc to give it a more personal trial [16:47] how well does it work for gaming [16:48] hello prings welcom aboard [16:48] but I think only two types of hardware I've ever had a headache with, 56k dial up modems ad tv tuners [16:48] what games do you play? [16:49] (unfortunately most commercial games are windows based, I can play call of duty, but not on a punkbuster server, unfortunately) [16:49] alot of online games, jade dynasty right now [16:49] and some older games like morrowind, and oblivion [16:50] jade dynasty is all online, if I recall, no issues [16:50] older games should be better than newer ones, but that's something that depends on each game [16:51] does the OS take alot of running space like xp [16:52] memory or hdd [16:52] both [16:53] both are better, but xp isn't too bad on that compared to newer os'es either [16:54] usually it's anti virus software that eats ram, video games, other software that chews up hdd space [16:54] im a strange one i liked vista over windows 7 [16:54] * cyberanger holds his tounge [16:54] lol [16:54] wow [16:54] never heard that one before prings :) [16:54] yea yea [16:55] i liked my 1983 casio calculator more than vista [16:55] said to say i have more problems with 7 then i did with vista to [16:56] sad to say* [16:56] oh speaking of software will the OS still run all my anti virus and spyware programs [16:56] prings: but ubuntu is much lighter on resources than win 7 or vista depending on what you use as far as desktop effects it can be lighter than xp [16:57] you don't need them prings, but there are packages for antivirus [16:57] prings: thing you will want to get if you use ubuntu it is not windows at all [16:57] right now im running, CCleaner, Microsoft security, and spybot [16:58] all i have ever used is windows so i'm heading into unknown space lol [16:59] one thing with ubuntu all the software you need comes through th software center, you don't have to go out and find stuff download it etc etc [16:59] the software comes through repositories (repos) [16:59] repositories? [17:00] yes its where all the software you will use comes from [17:00] cyberanger: help me out here :) [17:00] let me see if i can find something on it prings [17:01] prings: think of it as a central place for trusted software [17:01] thanks cyberanger :) [17:02] thats the live disk you talked about earlier [17:02] no exe's to install, all the software is vetted, highly improbale to slip a trojan in [17:03] it can be prings but generally we are referring to downloading the software from the repos [17:03] * cyberanger hands prings a link [17:03] http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download [17:03] the main install disc doubles as a live disc [17:04] a live disc isn't installed [17:04] think of it as, uh, a free trial, without messing up your xp install [17:04] just runs of memory and the cd drive [17:05] it says i can have it installed with my current system, how much harder is that on the computer [17:05] so it will be slower than a real install, but will let you find out about your drivers [17:05] oh, wubi installer, it's less ideal [17:06] will it look for the drivers for me or do i have to hunt [17:06] prings: its very easy to dual boot, you can do it two ways one is using wubi installer, i don't know about cyberanger but i dont' think that is the best way but it installs and you can remove it through the ad/remove programs in windows [17:06] it does work, but it ties into windows some, so it can be a headache to fix [17:06] you can do a true dual boot where you install it side by side and select which to start up on boot its really easy and guided on the install disk [17:07] or just remove windows ;-) [17:07] how big of a usb stick do i need [17:07] to do the usb 1GB is really plenty [17:08] I use a 1 and a 2 GB stick all the time to run the live cd [17:08] * cyberanger prefers a cd drive, but yeah, you can use a 128 and an internet installer even [17:09] * wrst prefers usb i don't waste a disk :) [17:09] either is easy prings [17:09] (well, actually a 15mb stick would work for that too, but they don't make the that small) [17:09] i still have some that small :) [17:09] wrst: cd-rw, where's the waste ;-) [17:09] in my time cyberanger ! [17:09] wow elijah-mbp [17:09] in fact i think i have a 4mb one here somewhere :) [17:10] lol, problem is my old computer doesnt like cd-r and wont burn (need new cd-drive) twitch twitch [17:10] these are like… 8 or 9 years old. very very early grad school days for me. back when they were phasing out zip drives on campus. [17:10] but anyway prings.... if you want to give it a try download it and we can walk you through step by step [17:11] ok lets see what i can find [17:11] prings: if you burn it slower it might [17:12] older drives usually just want a slower speed for burnt discs [17:12] prings i would suggest you download the 32 bit latest version 10.10 then follow step two of that page to create a usb stick it will have you download a small app to make the usb for you [17:12] but be warned your computer depending on age could have difficulty booting from usb [17:12] and wrst I've done installs on machines too old to do a usb boot, so yeah.... [17:12] cry cry my usb stick isnt workin [17:12] yeah me too cyberanger [17:12] * wrst hands prings a kleenex [17:13] got it BAHAHAHA [17:13] prings: actually, if your on windows, I'd use http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ [17:14] instead of that method [17:15] another good question i should ask is if i do switch over to this os will i lose all the stuff i have on my computer now? [17:15] hmm cyberanger i thought that was a windows version of the ubuntu usb creator, i had that at one time yes i agree unetbootin [17:16] ok its downlaoding the file now [17:17] cool prings [17:17] wrst: it has linux versions, and isn't just ubuntu, all the more I say [17:18] yeah i think in natty there is going to be an exe of the ubuntu usb-creator thing that comes on ubuntu that's where i have seen it [17:18] i was a distro ahead cyberanger [17:19] ok for distribution i put in ubuntu and then what do i put, right now it has 10.04_live [17:20] cyberanger: wouldn't you suggest 10.10_live? [17:20] prings: make sure cyberanger agrees but i would select ubuntu 10.10_live [17:22] that or 10.04_live [17:22] hmmmm so does it not really matter [17:23] well, the live matters, 10.04 is an lts, long term support [17:23] 10.10 is newer stable release [17:23] prings: 10.04 is a long term support release it is supported with updates longer but will have slightly older software, 10.10 is the regular release a new release every 6 months but has slightly more updated software [17:23] but they are both very good [17:23] if you have issues with one, the other might be different [17:24] ...... [17:24] ok [17:24] long term support, like how windows keeps extending xp's support cause vista stinks [17:25] err, do I mean windows 7..... [17:25] * wrst is smelling vista right now and i'm 30 miles away from it [17:25] hello pace_t_zulu [17:25] LOL i like 95 best of all [17:25] oh no prings :) [17:25] >_< me and my simple mind and computer needs [17:26] sup wrst [17:27] so how will i know about the drivers once i get this downloaded [17:28] prings: everything should "jsut work" but you may need to install some proprietary drivers for wireless and video [17:28] but if you do that's pretty easy [17:29] we will find out some info from you to make sure that it will work when you install [17:29] * wrst heads to lunch [17:31] prings: it's pretty automated, if something does not work, let us know [17:31] but usually it has the drivers, no worry [17:33] this download is going to take awhile [18:06] yeah prings hopefully you have a quick connection :) [18:11] still downlaoding LOL [18:17] 90% woot [18:18] pretty quick prings [18:18] really it feels like its taking forever and a day [18:20] prings, must be downloading ubuntu? [18:21] yep [18:22] Just did that the other day from 11.04 back to 10.04. Downloading is not bad it is getting all the updates and programs back that is a pain. [18:23] elijahosborne: this is prings first time with ubuntu [18:23] first time with something not windows LOL [18:24] worried about what programs and drivers will or will not work but i want to see what its like [18:24] Unbuntu rocks! lol installing lamp server right now [18:24] prings: everything should probably work, beautiful think about ubuntu pretty much everything you need is included [18:25] prings, is it for laptop or desktop pc? [18:25] desktop [18:27] 5% extracting [18:27] Your first time with Ubuntu? Are you installing into a VM, or a blank secondary desktop? [18:29] older desktop running windows xp right now [18:30] Ah, Cool. [18:31] poor old little computer [18:31] hehe, you'd be surprised how well ubuntu runs [18:32] doing the live thingy to see if i like before i deside to switch over and lose everything (at least i think i will) [18:33] It's definetely different. [18:33] You just have to find the substitutes for window's apps you're used to. [18:33] can you give me an example [18:34] If you have firefox already, you can get the sync addon, and sync up everything, then sync the firefox in ubuntu, and it'll be a lot more welcoming since it'll have your bookmarks and saved info etc [18:34] Well like Photoshop / Image editing, on a linux box, you'd use GIMP [18:34] Instead of Trillian or AIM, or whatever, You'd use Pidgin [18:34] nope dont use any of them ok i do use trillian [18:34] Instead of mIRC, you'd use Xchat [18:35] Outlook -> Evolution or some other email client. (not sure what the best email clients are, I gave up on those, webmail ftw) [18:36] most i really have on it is Jade Dynasty, firefox, trillian, ccleaner, spybot, realplayer, microsoft security [18:36] oh and morrowind [18:36] Not sure what jade dynasty is, but firefox carries over, You don't need ccleaner or spybot, or MS security [18:37] jade dynasty is an online game [18:38] Looks like some people have got it working on ubuntu [18:38] ok says i need to reboot and select usb boot option in the boot menu how do i do that [18:38] Something in your bios, you should be able to set a boot order, IE CD/DVD drive, hard drive, floppy, USB [18:38] make sure it tries USB before hard drive [18:40] hmm [18:40] ok i did try without installing [18:40] i think ... [18:42] don't worry if you didn't it won't install anything until it ask you many times :) [18:43] does it normally take awhile to start up [18:43] prings: running live it does, when installed its very quick to start up [18:44] will realplayer work with it [18:46] hmm i think i might have a problem, i have a magic jack pluged in not sure if it will work with it [18:48] i don't beleive there is a linux real player i'm not for sure but i'm srue there is something that will work... as far as magic jack i don't know is that how you get online? [18:48] its my phone that goes thro my internet [18:48] oh yes i'm seeing that [18:49] prings: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1027567 [18:49] might be possible [18:53] this is really strange [18:53] what is that prings ? [18:53] all of it LOL [18:53] how do i get online [18:54] it finds my internet connection (wireless) but wont let me connet [18:55] prings you should just click on the network icon then on your network then it should ask you security password [18:55] tryed it, it keeps asking me for the password [18:57] my wireless thingy isnt blinking at all [18:58] have you entered the password? [18:58] yea [18:58] tyred it 4 times now [19:01] hmm could be an issue with the wireless card mabye, cyberanger you still around? [19:01] could you do something for me prings ? [19:01] what [19:02] go to applications, accessories, then click on terminal [19:02] ok [19:02] is this a usb wireless? or is it installed in your desktop? [19:03] linksys usb wireless [19:03] ok in the terminal type this: [19:03] lsusb [19:03] then hit enter [19:03] you should see a line for that device copy and paste that in here if you don't mind [19:04] cant copy and paste running 2 differnet computers, says no command found [19:04] hangon... [19:04] * wrst brushes up on his commands real fast :) [19:05] ok that is l as in Larry [19:05] lsusb [19:05] oh ok [19:05] >_< lost of stuff now [19:06] ha ha probably be a line there that says something to the effecte of wireless network controller or may mention linksys [19:06] yes [19:06] ok what does it say? [19:07] bus 001 devi e 004: ID 1737:3371 Linksys wusb600N Dual-band wireless-n usb network adapter [19:07] ok let me do a little checking prings [19:07] oops that 1737:0071 [19:08] prings do you know how to copy-paste from the terminal? [19:08] [ctl]+[shift]+[c] --> copy [19:09] wont work to copy anyways, 2 differnet computers [19:09] prings: it will work, probably not on a live cd [19:10] ok where do u want me to paste to [19:10] and what do u want me to copy [19:11] nothing that pretty well got it, let me wait for conformation on this, pace_t_zulu you have time to look at this: http://blog.barfoo.org/2009/11/15/linksys-wusb600n-on-ubuntu/ [19:11] i'm thinking it will work but probably not on a live cd [19:14] [ctl]+[shift]+[v] --> paste [19:14] ^ meant to send that sooner [19:15] wrst: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Linksys%20WUSB600N [19:16] prings: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Linksys%20WUSB600N [19:16] thanks pace_t_zulu [19:16] looks like you have some hoops to jump through [19:16] unfortunately [19:17] and i think mine is a v1 [19:18] pace_t_zulu: since his is not a version 2 do those instructions apply? [19:18] if it isn't v2 - then all those steps shouldn't be necessary... [19:18] let me look closer [19:19] ... [19:19] well [19:19] u dont need to [19:19] pace_t_zulu: i'm wondering if/when he installs that it won't work [19:19] lol i unpluged it to look at what v it was pluged it back in and its working [19:19] ha ha ok prings :) [19:19] that's good [19:19] sometimes in the live environment things are a little funky [19:20] pace_t_zulu: its working now ^^^^ [19:20] good to hear [19:20] so how do i get my game to work [19:20] prings: i'm so used to running linux or dealing with my wife's osx restarting doesn't fix things there like it does in windows :) [19:20] i tryed clicking on the exe file but it pulls up something strange [19:20] prings: exe files don't work [19:21] only thing you can try for games is wine [19:21] cry cry [19:21] prings: ubuntu does not do windows apps, but you can try wine sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't [19:21] but not preferred [19:21] but said there was a way to get the online game to work [19:22] maybe prings but probably going to be something you will want to do on an install not on a live env. [19:22] how do u run things if exe dont work lol [19:23] prings: that's a windows format [19:23] my computer world infor is all upside down lol [19:24] prigs you wouldn't want to game from a live cd [19:24] this is the same difference if you had a mac prings if that helps you any (more or less) [19:24] prings: here is some information about Wine: http://www.winehq.org/ [19:26] darn all i thought i had to do was cry LOL [19:27] no prings but if you want to install it and give it a try we will do our best to help you out, but if you are a big time gamer, ubuntu may not be best for you [19:27] and opensource/linux games are behind the windows world [19:27] but i do enjoy me some open arena and sauerbraten [19:27] sigh darn [19:28] oh well i know who this os will work great for [19:28] i think [19:29] ha ha cool prings [19:30] i like my games [19:31] :) [19:32] games are good [19:35] well thanks for all the info i guess im off [19:41] wrst: guess we lost that one [19:41] yeah hard to convert gamers [20:00] always better to be honest [20:06] "The Challenge In Delivering Open-Source GPU Drivers" http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODk3MA [20:06] wrst: ^ [20:14] interesting article about graphics drivers in linux [20:24] yeah if someone is wanting a gaming system ubuntu isn't for them, really osx probably isn't for them [20:24] on my way to that link pace_t_zulu [20:25] if someone wants a gaming system - they should look at consoles ... much better gaming experience for much less money [20:27] agreed pace_t_zulu [20:27] and good article [20:27] to build a proper windows gaming system you are talking 1k and well that's not exactly going to be a beast [20:34] wrst: plus the fact that no software developers are targeting your system... you'll never get the most out of that hardware [20:34] it's a fine line between getting the most out of hardware and bringing hardware to its knees... console developers can walk that line [20:35] yes very good point [20:35] nevermind that the console hardware is sold at a loss ... the manufacturer makes up the difference in royalties from game sales [20:36] pace_t_zulu: i'm guessing with a console only having one purpose it probably doesn't take near the hardware either? [20:36] * wrst is a little clueless to consoles, he just knows his wii works when he turns it on [21:00] wrst: the console is going to be far more predictable [21:01] wrst: set hardware spec ... everything you need ... nothing extra that you don't need [21:01] wrst: there is going to be much less overhead from the operating system [21:04] kinda what i thought [21:05] but one would think that linux would be a great gaming system over windows if the developement was there [21:06] well the game developers aren't there [21:06] but hardware driver developers aren't there either [21:07] yep that's true would need decent video drivers :) [21:23] that's what I get for going offline [21:24] wrst: did he run jockey-gtk ? [21:24] cyberanger: never made it that far :) [21:26] When do the Tablet devs get there? [21:27] wrst: hehe, his card did work, guess that was the only hardware he had an immedate issue with [21:28] cyberanger: his bigger issue was that he's a pc gamer [21:32] yeah and really not a lot of help that ubuntu will provide to hard core gamers [22:29] unfortunately