[00:02] <starsprout> more like general FreeBSD DNS questions
[04:34] <chibihogoshino> i just riped my life cam apart and stuck it on the back of my 300mm camera lens
[14:15] <Xpistos> Morning all.
[14:17] <Xpistos> wrst
[14:24] <wrst> hey Xpistos what's up?
[14:25] <Xpistos> Just giving out ip addresses this morning
[15:10] <cyberanger> morning everyone
[15:11] <wrst> morning cyberanger
[15:11] <wrst> hows it going?
[15:15] <cyberanger> fairly well, perl is still escaping me
[15:15] <wrst> most things escape me cyberanger  just be glad you aren't there :)
[15:17] <cyberanger> hehe, and it's perl's escape and regular expressions syntax that's my issue
[16:44] <prings> hi
[16:45] <cyberanger> hello prings
[16:45] <cyberanger> Welcome to the tennessee locl
[16:45] <cyberanger> Welcome to the tennessee loco
[16:45] <prings> i have a question about this OS
[16:45] <cyberanger> (whoops, typo'd that)
[16:45] <cyberanger> sure
[16:46] <prings> how well does it match up with drivers
[16:46] <prings> i have an old dell desktop thats runing windows xp right now, and it runs ok but i want to make it run better
[16:47] <cyberanger> there isn't much that isn't supported
[16:47] <cyberanger> you can boot off the live disc to give it a more personal trial
[16:47] <prings> how well does it work for gaming
[16:48] <wrst> hello prings welcom aboard
[16:48] <cyberanger> but I think only two types of hardware I've ever had a headache with, 56k dial up modems ad tv tuners
[16:48] <cyberanger> what games do you play?
[16:49] <cyberanger> (unfortunately most commercial games are windows based, I can play call of duty, but not on a punkbuster server, unfortunately)
[16:49] <prings> alot of online games, jade dynasty right now
[16:49] <prings> and some older games like morrowind, and oblivion
[16:50] <cyberanger> jade dynasty is all online, if I recall, no issues
[16:50] <cyberanger> older games should be better than newer ones, but that's something that depends on each game
[16:51] <prings> does the OS take alot of running space like xp
[16:52] <cyberanger> memory or hdd
[16:52] <prings> both
[16:53] <cyberanger> both are better, but xp isn't too bad on that compared to newer os'es either
[16:54] <cyberanger> usually it's anti virus software that eats ram, video games, other software that chews up hdd space
[16:54] <prings> im a strange one i liked vista over windows 7
[16:54]  * cyberanger holds his tounge
[16:54] <prings> lol
[16:54] <wrst> wow
[16:54] <wrst> never heard that one before prings  :)
[16:54] <prings> yea yea
[16:55] <wrst> i liked my 1983 casio calculator more than vista
[16:55] <prings> said to say i have more problems with 7 then i did with vista to
[16:56] <prings> sad to say*
[16:56] <prings> oh speaking of software will the OS still run all my anti virus and spyware programs
[16:56] <wrst> prings: but ubuntu is much lighter on resources than win 7 or vista depending on what you use as far as desktop effects it can be lighter than xp
[16:57] <wrst> you don't need them prings, but there are packages for antivirus
[16:57] <wrst> prings: thing you will want to get if you use ubuntu it is not windows at all
[16:57] <prings> right now im running, CCleaner, Microsoft security, and spybot
[16:58] <prings> all i have ever used is windows so i'm heading into unknown space lol
[16:59] <wrst> one thing with ubuntu all the software you need comes through th software center, you don't have to go out and find stuff download it etc etc
[16:59] <wrst> the software comes through repositories (repos)
[16:59] <prings> repositories?
[17:00] <wrst> yes its where all the software you will use comes from
[17:00] <wrst> cyberanger: help me out here :)
[17:00] <wrst> let me see if i can find something on it prings
[17:01] <cyberanger> prings: think of it as a central place for trusted software
[17:01] <wrst> thanks cyberanger  :)
[17:02] <prings>  thats the live disk you talked about earlier
[17:02] <cyberanger> no exe's to install, all the software is vetted, highly improbale to slip a trojan in
[17:03] <wrst> it can be prings but generally we are referring to downloading the software from the repos
[17:03]  * cyberanger hands prings a link
[17:03] <cyberanger> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[17:03] <cyberanger> the main install disc doubles as a live disc
[17:04] <cyberanger> a live disc isn't installed
[17:04] <cyberanger> think of it as, uh, a free trial, without messing up your xp install
[17:04] <cyberanger> just runs of memory and the cd drive
[17:05] <prings> it says i can have it installed with my current system, how much harder is that on the computer
[17:05] <cyberanger> so it will be slower than a real install, but will let you find out about your drivers
[17:05] <cyberanger> oh, wubi installer, it's less ideal
[17:06] <prings> will it look for the drivers for me or do i have to hunt
[17:06] <wrst> prings: its very easy to dual boot, you can do it two ways one is using wubi installer, i don't know about cyberanger but i dont' think that is the best way but it installs and you can remove it through the ad/remove programs in windows
[17:06] <cyberanger> it does work, but it ties into windows some, so it can be a headache to fix
[17:06] <wrst> you can do a true dual boot where you install it side by side and select which to start up on boot its really easy and guided on the install disk
[17:07] <cyberanger> or just remove windows ;-)
[17:07] <prings> how big of a usb stick do i need
[17:07] <wrst> to do the usb 1GB is really plenty
[17:08] <wrst> I use a 1 and a 2 GB stick all the time to run the live cd
[17:08]  * cyberanger prefers a cd drive, but yeah, you can use a 128 and an internet installer even
[17:09]  * wrst prefers usb i don't waste a disk :)
[17:09] <wrst> either is easy prings
[17:09] <cyberanger> (well, actually a 15mb stick would work for that too, but they don't make the that small)
[17:09] <elijah-mbp> i still have some that small :)
[17:09] <cyberanger> wrst: cd-rw, where's the waste ;-)
[17:09] <wrst> in my time cyberanger !
[17:09] <wrst> wow elijah-mbp
[17:09] <elijah-mbp> in fact i think i have a 4mb one here somewhere :)
[17:10] <prings> lol, problem is my old computer doesnt like cd-r and wont burn (need new cd-drive) twitch twitch
[17:10] <elijah-mbp> these are like… 8 or 9 years old.  very very early grad school days for me.  back when they were phasing out zip drives on campus.
[17:10] <wrst> but anyway prings.... if you want to give it a try download it and we can walk you through step by step
[17:11] <prings> ok lets see what i can find
[17:11] <cyberanger> prings: if you burn it slower it might
[17:12] <cyberanger> older drives usually just want a slower speed for burnt discs
[17:12] <wrst> prings i would suggest you download the 32 bit latest version 10.10 then follow step two of that page to create a usb stick it will have you download a small app to make the usb for you
[17:12] <wrst> but be warned your computer depending on age could have difficulty booting from usb
[17:12] <cyberanger> and wrst I've done installs on machines too old to do a usb boot, so yeah....
[17:12] <prings> cry cry my usb stick isnt workin
[17:12] <wrst> yeah me too cyberanger
[17:12]  * wrst hands prings  a kleenex
[17:13] <prings> got it BAHAHAHA
[17:13] <cyberanger> prings: actually, if your on windows, I'd use http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[17:14] <cyberanger> instead of that method
[17:15] <prings> another good question i should ask is if i do switch over to this os will i lose all the stuff i have on my computer now?
[17:15] <wrst> hmm cyberanger i thought that was a windows version of the ubuntu usb creator, i had that at one time yes i agree unetbootin
[17:16] <prings> ok its downlaoding the file now
[17:17] <wrst> cool prings
[17:17] <cyberanger> wrst: it has linux versions, and isn't just ubuntu, all the more I say
[17:18] <wrst> yeah i think in natty there is going to be an exe of the ubuntu usb-creator thing that comes on ubuntu that's where i have seen it
[17:18] <wrst> i was a distro ahead cyberanger
[17:19] <prings> ok for distribution i put in ubuntu and then what do i put, right now it has 10.04_live
[17:20] <wrst> cyberanger: wouldn't you suggest 10.10_live?
[17:20] <wrst> prings: make sure cyberanger  agrees but i would select ubuntu 10.10_live
[17:22] <cyberanger> that or 10.04_live
[17:22] <prings> hmmmm so does it not really matter
[17:23] <cyberanger> well, the live matters, 10.04 is an lts, long term support
[17:23] <cyberanger> 10.10 is newer stable release
[17:23] <wrst> prings: 10.04 is a long term support release it is supported with updates longer but will have slightly older software, 10.10 is the regular release a new release every 6 months but has slightly more updated software
[17:23] <wrst> but they are both very good
[17:23] <cyberanger> if you have issues with one, the other might be different
[17:24] <prings> ......
[17:24] <prings> ok
[17:24] <cyberanger> long term support, like how windows keeps extending xp's support cause vista stinks
[17:25] <cyberanger> err, do I mean windows 7.....
[17:25]  * wrst is smelling vista right now and i'm 30 miles away from it
[17:25] <wrst> hello pace_t_zulu
[17:25] <prings> LOL i like 95 best of all
[17:25] <wrst> oh no prings :)
[17:25] <prings> >_< me and my simple mind and computer needs
[17:26] <pace_t_zulu> sup wrst
[17:27] <prings> so how will i know about the drivers once i get this downloaded
[17:28] <wrst> prings: everything should "jsut work" but you may need to install some proprietary drivers for wireless and video
[17:28] <wrst> but if you do that's pretty easy
[17:29] <wrst> we will find out some info from you to make sure that it will work when you install
[17:29]  * wrst heads to lunch
[17:31] <cyberanger> prings: it's pretty automated, if something does not work, let us know
[17:31] <cyberanger> but usually it has the drivers, no worry
[17:33] <prings> this download is going to take awhile
[18:06] <wrst> yeah prings hopefully you have a quick connection :)
[18:11] <prings> still downlaoding LOL
[18:17] <prings> 90% woot
[18:18] <wrst> pretty quick prings
[18:18] <prings> really it feels like its taking forever and a day
[18:20] <elijahosborne> prings, must be downloading ubuntu?
[18:21] <prings> yep
[18:22] <elijahosborne> Just did that the other day from 11.04 back to 10.04. Downloading is not bad it is getting all the updates and programs back that is a pain.
[18:23] <wrst> elijahosborne: this is prings  first time with ubuntu
[18:23] <prings> first time with something not windows LOL
[18:24] <prings> worried about what programs and drivers will or will not work but i want to see what its like
[18:24] <elijahosborne> Unbuntu rocks! lol installing lamp server right now
[18:24] <wrst> prings: everything should probably work, beautiful think about ubuntu pretty much everything you need is included
[18:25] <elijahosborne> prings, is it for laptop or desktop pc?
[18:25] <prings> desktop
[18:27] <prings> 5% extracting
[18:27] <Svpernova09> Your first time with Ubuntu? Are you installing into a VM, or a blank secondary desktop?
[18:29] <prings> older desktop running windows xp right now
[18:30] <Svpernova09> Ah, Cool.
[18:31] <prings> poor old little computer
[18:31] <Svpernova09> hehe, you'd be surprised how well ubuntu runs
[18:32] <prings> doing the live thingy to see if i like before i deside to switch over and lose everything (at least i think i will)
[18:33] <Svpernova09> It's definetely different.
[18:33] <Svpernova09> You just have to find the substitutes for window's apps you're used to.
[18:33] <prings> can you give me an example
[18:34] <Svpernova09> If you have firefox already, you can get the sync addon, and sync up everything, then sync the firefox in ubuntu, and it'll be a lot more welcoming since it'll have your bookmarks and saved info etc
[18:34] <Svpernova09> Well like Photoshop / Image editing, on a linux box, you'd use GIMP
[18:34] <Svpernova09> Instead of Trillian or AIM, or whatever, You'd use Pidgin
[18:34] <prings> nope dont use any of them ok i do use trillian
[18:34] <Svpernova09> Instead of mIRC, you'd use Xchat
[18:35] <Svpernova09> Outlook -> Evolution or some other email client. (not sure what the best email clients are, I gave up on those, webmail ftw)
[18:36] <prings> most i really have on it is Jade Dynasty, firefox, trillian, ccleaner, spybot, realplayer, microsoft security
[18:36] <prings> oh and morrowind
[18:36] <Svpernova09> Not sure what jade dynasty is, but firefox carries over, You don't need ccleaner or spybot, or MS security
[18:37] <prings> jade dynasty is an online game
[18:38] <Svpernova09> Looks like some people have got it working on ubuntu
[18:38] <prings> ok says i need to reboot and select usb boot option in the boot menu how do i do that
[18:38] <Svpernova09> Something in your bios, you should be able to set a boot order, IE CD/DVD drive, hard drive, floppy, USB
[18:38] <Svpernova09> make sure it tries USB before hard drive
[18:40] <prings> hmm
[18:40] <prings> ok i did try without installing
[18:40] <prings> i think ...
[18:42] <wrst> don't worry if you didn't it won't install anything until it ask you many times :)
[18:43] <prings> does it normally take awhile to start up
[18:43] <wrst> prings: running live it does, when installed its very quick to start up
[18:44] <prings> will realplayer work with it
[18:46] <prings> hmm i think i might have a problem, i have a magic jack pluged in not sure if it will work with it
[18:48] <wrst> i don't beleive there is a linux real player i'm not for sure but i'm srue there is something that will work... as far as magic jack i don't know is that how you get online?
[18:48] <prings> its my phone that goes thro my internet
[18:48] <wrst> oh yes i'm seeing that
[18:49] <wrst> prings: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1027567
[18:49] <wrst> might be possible
[18:53] <prings> this is really strange
[18:53] <wrst> what is that prings ?
[18:53] <prings> all of it LOL
[18:53] <prings> how do i get online
[18:54] <prings> it finds my internet connection (wireless) but wont let me connet
[18:55] <wrst> prings you should just click on the network icon then on your network then it should ask you security password
[18:55] <prings> tryed it, it keeps asking me for the password
[18:57] <prings> my wireless thingy isnt blinking at all
[18:58] <wrst> have you entered the password?
[18:58] <prings> yea
[18:58] <prings> tyred it 4 times now
[19:01] <wrst> hmm could be an issue with the wireless card mabye, cyberanger  you still around?
[19:01] <wrst> could you do something for me prings ?
[19:01] <prings> what
[19:02] <wrst> go to applications, accessories, then click on terminal
[19:02] <prings> ok
[19:02] <wrst> is this a usb wireless? or is it installed in your desktop?
[19:03] <prings> linksys usb wireless
[19:03] <wrst> ok in the terminal type this:
[19:03] <wrst> lsusb
[19:03] <wrst> then hit enter
[19:03] <wrst> you should see a line for that device copy and paste that in here if you don't mind
[19:04] <prings> cant copy and paste running 2 differnet computers, says no command found
[19:04] <wrst> hangon...
[19:04]  * wrst brushes up on his commands real fast :)
[19:05] <wrst> ok that is l as in Larry
[19:05] <wrst> lsusb
[19:05] <prings> oh ok
[19:05] <prings> >_< lost of stuff now
[19:06] <wrst> ha ha probably be a line there that says something to the effecte of wireless network controller or may mention linksys
[19:06] <prings> yes
[19:06] <wrst> ok what does it say?
[19:07] <prings> bus 001 devi e 004: ID 1737:3371 Linksys wusb600N Dual-band wireless-n usb network adapter
[19:07] <wrst> ok let me do a little checking prings
[19:07] <prings> oops that 1737:0071
[19:08] <pace_t_zulu> prings do you know how to copy-paste from the terminal?
[19:08] <pace_t_zulu> [ctl]+[shift]+[c] --> copy
[19:09] <prings> wont work to copy anyways, 2 differnet computers
[19:09] <wrst> prings: it will work, probably not on a live cd
[19:10] <prings> ok where do u want me to paste to
[19:10] <prings> and what do u want me to copy
[19:11] <wrst> nothing that pretty well got it, let me wait for conformation on this, pace_t_zulu you have time to look at this: http://blog.barfoo.org/2009/11/15/linksys-wusb600n-on-ubuntu/
[19:11] <wrst> i'm thinking it will work but probably not on a live cd
[19:14] <pace_t_zulu> [ctl]+[shift]+[v] --> paste
[19:14] <pace_t_zulu> ^ meant to send that sooner
[19:15] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Linksys%20WUSB600N
[19:16] <pace_t_zulu> prings: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Linksys%20WUSB600N
[19:16] <wrst> thanks pace_t_zulu
[19:16] <pace_t_zulu> looks like you have some hoops to jump through
[19:16] <pace_t_zulu> unfortunately
[19:17] <prings> and i think mine is a v1
[19:18] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: since his is not a version 2 do those instructions apply?
[19:18] <pace_t_zulu> if it isn't v2 - then all those steps shouldn't be necessary...
[19:18] <pace_t_zulu> let me look closer
[19:19] <prings> ...
[19:19] <prings> well
[19:19] <prings> u dont need to
[19:19] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i'm wondering if/when he installs that it won't work
[19:19] <prings> lol i unpluged it to look at what v it was pluged it back in and its working
[19:19] <wrst> ha ha ok prings :)
[19:19] <wrst> that's good
[19:19] <wrst> sometimes in the live environment things are a little funky
[19:20] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: its working now ^^^^
[19:20] <pace_t_zulu> good to hear
[19:20] <prings> so how do i get my game to work
[19:20] <wrst> prings: i'm so used to running linux or dealing with my wife's osx restarting doesn't fix things there like it does in windows :)
[19:20] <prings> i tryed clicking on the exe file but it pulls up something strange
[19:20] <wrst> prings: exe files don't work
[19:21] <wrst> only thing you can try for games is wine
[19:21] <prings> cry cry
[19:21] <wrst> prings: ubuntu does not do windows apps, but you can try wine sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't
[19:21] <wrst> but not preferred
[19:21] <prings> but  said there was a way to get the online game to work
[19:22] <wrst> maybe prings but probably going to be something you will want to do on an install not on a live env.
[19:22] <prings> how do u run things if exe dont work lol
[19:23] <wrst> prings: that's a windows format
[19:23] <prings> my computer world infor is all upside down lol
[19:24] <pace_t_zulu> prigs you wouldn't want to game from a live cd
[19:24] <wrst> this is the same difference if you had a mac prings if that helps you any (more or less)
[19:24] <pace_t_zulu> prings: here is some information about Wine: http://www.winehq.org/
[19:26] <prings> darn all i thought i had to do was cry LOL
[19:27] <wrst> no prings but if you want to install it and give it a try we will do our best to help you out, but if you are a big time gamer, ubuntu may not be best for you
[19:27] <wrst> and opensource/linux games are behind the windows world
[19:27] <wrst> but i do enjoy me some open arena and sauerbraten
[19:27] <prings> sigh darn
[19:28] <prings> oh well i know who this os will work great for
[19:28] <prings> i think
[19:29] <wrst> ha ha cool prings
[19:30] <prings> i like my games
[19:31] <wrst> :)
[19:32] <wrst> games are good
[19:35] <prings> well thanks for all the info i guess im off
[19:41] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: guess we lost that one
[19:41] <wrst> yeah hard to convert gamers
[20:00] <pace_t_zulu> always better to be honest
[20:06] <pace_t_zulu> "The Challenge In Delivering Open-Source GPU Drivers" http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODk3MA
[20:06] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: ^
[20:14] <pace_t_zulu> interesting article about graphics drivers in linux
[20:24] <wrst> yeah if someone is wanting a gaming system ubuntu isn't for them, really osx probably isn't for them
[20:24] <wrst> on my way to that link pace_t_zulu
[20:25] <pace_t_zulu> if someone wants a gaming system - they should look at consoles ... much better gaming experience for much less money
[20:27] <wrst> agreed pace_t_zulu
[20:27] <wrst> and good article
[20:27] <wrst> to build a proper windows gaming system you are talking 1k and well that's not exactly going to be a beast
[20:34] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: plus the fact that no software developers are targeting your system... you'll never get the most out of that hardware
[20:34] <pace_t_zulu> it's a fine line between getting the most out of hardware and bringing hardware to its knees... console developers can walk that line
[20:35] <wrst> yes very good point
[20:35] <pace_t_zulu> nevermind that the console hardware is sold at a loss ... the manufacturer makes up the difference in royalties from game sales
[20:36] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i'm guessing with a console only having one purpose it probably doesn't take near the hardware either?
[20:36]  * wrst is a little clueless to consoles, he just knows his wii works when he turns it on
[21:00] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: the console is going to be far more predictable
[21:01] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: set hardware spec ... everything you need ... nothing extra that you don't need
[21:01] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: there is going to be much less overhead from the operating system
[21:04] <wrst> kinda what i thought
[21:05] <wrst> but one would think that linux would be a great gaming system over windows if the developement was there
[21:06] <pace_t_zulu> well the game developers aren't there
[21:06] <pace_t_zulu> but hardware driver developers aren't there either
[21:07] <wrst> yep that's true would need decent video drivers :)
[21:23] <cyberanger> that's what I get for going offline
[21:24] <cyberanger> wrst: did he run jockey-gtk ?
[21:24] <wrst> cyberanger: never made it that far :)
[21:26] <Xpistos> When do the Tablet devs get there?
[21:27] <cyberanger> wrst: hehe, his card did work, guess that was the only hardware he had an immedate issue with
[21:28] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: his bigger issue was that he's a pc gamer
[21:32] <wrst> yeah and really not a lot of help that ubuntu will provide to hard core gamers
[22:29] <cyberanger> unfortunately