| bryceh | Sarvatt, I totally don't mind putting an ati card in it and having a screaming fast non-intel graphics system ;-) | 00:03 |
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| bryceh | "The only people who care about Linux are elitist neckbeards who intentionally want to make things harder then they need to be." | 00:05 |
| bryceh | neckbeards? | 00:05 |
| bjsnider | bryceh, it looks like he tried maverick. maybe the problem is the kernel isn't new enough | 00:26 |
| bryceh | bjsnider, 3rd paragraph of http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODk3MA itemizes what all is needed | 00:28 |
| bjsnider | but as charlie points out "...none were available short of building from source on our own. We do not feel this meets any reasonable standard for 'available'." | 00:29 |
| bryceh | 5th paragraph addresses that | 00:31 |
| bjsnider | yeah but that paragraph is simply saying "it's too hard" which is charlie's point. | 00:33 |
| bryceh | bjsnider, you don't think it's too hard? | 00:38 |
| bjsnider | that's an understatement. it's more than too hard | 00:39 |
| bjsnider | but charlie's saying if it's too hard then drivers cannot be said to be "available" | 00:39 |
| bryceh | ah | 00:41 |
| bryceh | heh, well that's Intel for you | 00:41 |
| bryceh | I'd share that rant... I hate that they never backport fixes or hardware enablement, so it's a constant game of having to upgrade to latest kernel+libdrm+mesa+-intel+etc. or do messy backporting ourselves and then get accused of shipping frankenkernels or whatnot | 00:42 |
| bryceh | -ati is sooo much better about all of this | 00:43 |
| bjsnider | i wouldn't know about that | 00:43 |
| bjsnider | i'd say nvidia is so much better though | 00:43 |
| bryceh | even the proprietary drivers do a good job about being reasonably self-contained, although obviously the binary incompatibilities kill us here and there | 00:43 |
| bjsnider | it's so easy to build the blob even i can do it | 00:44 |
| bryceh | yep | 00:44 |
| bjsnider | charlie wouldn't have an argument if all he was being asked to do was install the latest nvidia driver. but if that was the case he wouldn't be complaining | 00:47 |
| bryceh | yeah. hope it gets some attention to the issue | 00:50 |
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| bryceh | P67: http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GA-P67A-UD7-Intel-P67-Atx/dp/B004G60AKO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1294107053&sr=8-1 | 02:11 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, what if we had it collect dmesg.0 and dmesg.1.gz from /var/log? | 02:23 |
| bryceh | http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/totals-natty-workqueue.svg - down to 3 bugs again :-) | 02:23 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, in the -ati package in edgers I see you disabled 101_select_between_classic_and_gallium_dri.patch - is that just because of a failure to patch or was there some other problem? | 02:40 |
| Sarvatt | bryceh: because it was using an older mesa base that didn't have the right dri driver names to work with that | 12:41 |
| Sarvatt | just fixed that with this mornings updates, thats what I meant about a mesa packaging update yesterday | 12:42 |
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| dbarth | hiya | 17:49 |
| dbarth | i'm trying to get a nice backtrace for a dri/r300 issue | 17:50 |
| dbarth | i can't figure out which are the right debug packages to add | 17:50 |
| dbarth | previously i had libgl1-mesa-dri-dbg but that didn't contain the right symbols (ie no line numbers) | 17:51 |
| dbarth | and now i have libgl1-mesa-dri-dbgsym and that doesn't work either | 17:51 |
| dbarth | any idea? | 17:51 |
| Sarvatt | pastebin your incomplete backtrace? it'll still list the libs you need dbg packages for | 17:54 |
| dbarth | ah cool | 17:58 |
| dbarth | Sarvatt: it's here: | 17:59 |
| dbarth | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/544957/ | 17:59 |
| dbarth | i guess bryceh was mostly interested in r300_dri.so and libGL | 18:00 |
| dbarth | referring to https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/691653 | 18:00 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 691653 in mesa (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "compiz crashes when using alt-tab (the radeon driver kills it) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 18:00 |
| cnd | bryceh, we're trying to plan xi 2.1 landing and development and it's getting more important for us to know when 1.10 will land in natty | 18:03 |
| cnd | do you know when that will be? | 18:03 |
| cnd | pre-alpha2? | 18:03 |
| Sarvatt | dbarth: i'm pretty sure that was fixed on mesa 7.9 branch already, i'm in the middle of another bug at the moment but will look asap | 18:05 |
| dbarth | Sarvatt: thanks; let me know as a bug comment maybe if i'm gone later | 18:07 |
| bryceh | heya dbarth | 18:08 |
| bryceh | cnd, hard to predict xorg's release schedule accurately, but I anticipate we'll get the rc candidate in within the next two weeks | 18:10 |
| bryceh | cnd, unless for some reason raof feels we should stick with 1.9. I anticipate that decision to be made firm next Monday. | 18:10 |
| cnd | bryceh, so that's before alpha 2? | 18:10 |
| bryceh | cnd, right, alpha 2 is end of feb iirc | 18:11 |
| cnd | bryceh, alpha 2 is beginning of feb | 18:11 |
| bryceh | cnd, ah, ok anyway I anticipate we'll have it in by end of this month at the absolute latest | 18:12 |
| cnd | ok, cool | 18:12 |
| cnd | bryceh, who will be doing the patch merge for xorg-server? | 18:12 |
| cnd | it sounds like we may want to leave the maverick gesture patches in until alpha 2, and then drop them and pull in xi 2.1 right after alpha 2 | 18:13 |
| bryceh | cnd, I'm assuming RAOF will since he likes doing that sort of thing | 18:13 |
| cnd | heh | 18:14 |
| bryceh | but really I think any of us could do it | 18:14 |
| cnd | bryceh, ok, once the decision is made on the server version I'll try to sync with RAOF about this | 18:14 |
| cnd | thanks! | 18:14 |
| bryceh | cnd, no prob | 18:14 |
| bryceh | btw, sounds like RAOF is on vacation this week | 18:15 |
| cnd | ahh, good to know :) | 18:15 |
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| LLStarks | bryceh, any plans for improving legacy intel for natty? | 21:16 |
| LLStarks | or still vesa hell? | 21:16 |
| bryceh | LLStarks, you mean 8xx? think we've mostly written it off since it seems to be a moneypit of time | 21:18 |
| LLStarks | no shadowfb or whatever was in the pipeline? | 21:19 |
| LLStarks | i thought there was a decent solution that barely missed the cut-off window | 21:19 |
| LLStarks | unrelated question. is i915 gallium still dead? | 21:28 |
| bryceh | far as I know | 21:41 |
| bryceh | the intel guys haven't been very favorable towards gallium generally | 21:41 |
| Sarvatt | bryceh: btw check #intel-gfx :) | 22:44 |
| Sarvatt | thats some timing | 22:44 |
| Sarvatt | it looks like fedora 14 is hitting the same r300g problem dbarth is having in bug #691653, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=464327 | 22:47 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 691653 in mesa (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "compiz crashes when using alt-tab (the radeon driver kills it) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/691653 | 22:47 |
| Sarvatt | better backtrace there, thats from compiz 0.8.6 | 22:47 |
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| bryceh | magic registers for 8xx eh? | 23:05 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, how'd you find that? What's the bug # to go with that backtrace? | 23:09 |
| bjsnider | Sarvatt, do you know if randr support is coming to the blob in natty? | 23:09 |
| Sarvatt | googled radeon_r300_winsys_buffer_from_handle, ton of compiz crashes in red hat bugzilla | 23:10 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, ahh | 23:10 |
| Sarvatt | none have any useful info in them, just a bunch of reports. i thought i saw something about that crash on 7.9 branch but cant find it if i did | 23:10 |
| Sarvatt | bjsnider: doubt it very much but dont know for sure | 23:11 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, ok | 23:12 |
| bryceh | if one of the reports looks at all active, might be worth linking to ours | 23:12 |
| Sarvatt | none do :( | 23:13 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, oh I see the problem | 23:13 |
| bryceh | #0 radeon_r300_winsys_buffer_from_handle (rws=<value optimized out>, whandle=0x7fffe69964b0, stride=0x7fffe69963f4, size=0x7fffe69963f0) at radeon_r300.c:123 | 23:13 |
| bryceh | ws = <value optimized out> | 23:13 |
| bryceh | _buf = 0x0 | 23:13 |
| Sarvatt | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=656755 is the best one | 23:13 |
| ubot4` | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 656755 in compiz "[abrt] compiz-0.8.6-3.fc14: Process /usr/bin/compiz was killed by signal 11 (SIGSEGV)" [Medium,New] | 23:13 |
| * Sarvatt nods | 23:13 | |
| bryceh | if (size) | 23:13 |
| bryceh | *size = _buf->base.size; | 23:13 |
| bryceh | simple null pointer deref | 23:13 |
| Sarvatt | bryceh: ok if i do a bit of tinkering in the wayland ppa? | 23:15 |
| Sarvatt | now that mesa in edgers is using natty packaging it can just be copied in there | 23:15 |
| Sarvatt | all the fixing you did seems to be in stuff specific to the old packaging where i had extra crap enabled | 23:16 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, sure feel free | 23:16 |
| Sarvatt | might as well add wayland to edgers too I guess, its only 2 packages | 23:17 |
| Sarvatt | well 3 with cairo, need to figure out whats going on with alf's no glew stuff that went in upstream cairo recently | 23:18 |
| bryceh | yeah would love to see it pulled into xorg-edgers | 23:19 |
| bryceh | yeah the cairo bits are proving to be the main irritation. Keeps changing versions and I have to update stuff 8-P | 23:20 |
| bryceh | oh btw I don't have the .so files packaged right for the libs. Maybe you have more packaging-fu than me on how to install the .so.0.0.0 files? | 23:21 |
| Sarvatt | _alf probably backported it all to cairo 1.10 branch for linaro | 23:21 |
| Sarvatt | what libs? | 23:23 |
| bryceh | libxkbcommon | 23:23 |
| bryceh | and libwayland | 23:23 |
| bryceh | I think it just needs a symlink installed | 23:23 |
| bryceh | also I see these errors, which I've not sorted out yet but are on the todo list: | 23:24 |
| bryceh | E: wayland: no-shlibs-control-file usr/lib/libwayland-server.so.0.0.0 | 23:24 |
| bryceh | E: wayland: no-shlibs-control-file usr/lib/libwayland-client.so.0.0.0 | 23:24 |
| bryceh | E: wayland: postinst-must-call-ldconfig usr/lib/libwayland-server.so.0.0.0 | 23:24 |
| bryceh | W: wayland: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libwayland-client0 libwayland-server0 | 23:24 |
| bryceh | E: wayland: missing-dependency-on-libc needed by ./usr/bin/wayland-compositor and 2 others | 23:24 |
| Sarvatt | whoa, its in the natty archives!? | 23:24 |
| jcristau | shared libs need to be in their own package | 23:25 |
| bryceh | libxkbcommon is, yeah... I uploaded it there a month or two ago | 23:25 |
| bryceh | jcristau, ah | 23:25 |
| bryceh | jcristau, I knew you'd know ;-) | 23:25 |
| jcristau | so one package for libwayland-client.so.0, one for libwayland-server.so.0, and one for the compositor. at least. | 23:25 |
| jcristau | you need that so you can change the package name when the soname changes | 23:25 |
| bryceh | ok | 23:27 |
| Sarvatt | bryceh: https://launchpad.net/~afrantzis/+archive/cairo-gl | 23:29 |
| Sarvatt | alf__ rocks :) | 23:29 |
| * Sarvatt always gets his nick wrong since he doesn't hang out here much | 23:29 | |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, hmm, looks strikingly similar to my cairo-gl package | 23:33 |
| bryceh | ooh, hide_glew_symbols.patch looks interesting | 23:34 |
| Sarvatt | yeah thats what i was pointing out, sorry | 23:34 |
| Sarvatt | he went one better and completely ripped glew out of cairo completely in git | 23:37 |
| Sarvatt | just noticed i'm from camaroon now, sweet! http://cgit.freedesktop.org/cairo/commit/?id=7a023a62f7517ad0d54f4d59c99909fadcc05e82 | 23:42 |
| Sarvatt | so mesa 7.10 is for sure releasing on friday | 23:43 |
| bryceh | camaroon? | 23:47 |
| Sarvatt | gmail.cm :) | 23:47 |
| bryceh | ah | 23:50 |
| Sarvatt | got native ubuntu up on a tegra tablet I got last week, looks like I need to bring xserver 1.6 to natty for it since thats the only video abi nvidia supports with tegra :) | 23:55 |
| Sarvatt | arm ppas sure would be nice to have | 23:56 |
| jcristau | lucky you. | 23:56 |
| Sarvatt | i thought their video card blobs were bad, this tegra crap is in a world of its own | 23:57 |
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