| ailo | ScottL: I could give it a go, but I need to know what specifically needs to be changed. Maybe a screenshot could do? | 04:05 |
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| ailo | Or a nice description... | 04:06 |
| ailo | holstein: just had a look at irc logs for the last meeting. Wasn't much of a meeting :( | 04:12 |
| holstein | ailo: yeah, we're going to try again mid-january | 04:13 |
| holstein | or so | 04:13 |
| holstein | maybe a weekend day | 04:13 |
| ailo | Is there a good place to look for what needs to be done, or what is decided | 04:13 |
| holstein | i usually try and catch ScottL in a query when he's not busy | 04:14 |
| ailo | Would be great to have a list and assignees on the wiki, or something | 04:14 |
| holstein | ailo: i like that | 04:14 |
| ailo | Have you talked about changing the US theme, ever? | 04:15 |
| holstein | maybe we could try and implement something like that in the next few weeks | 04:15 |
| ailo | Or making variations. | 04:15 |
| holstein | ailo: im not sure about the art | 04:15 |
| holstein | we were talking about the site | 04:15 |
| holstein | and maybe theme-ing based on that? | 04:15 |
| holstein | not sure... | 04:15 |
| ailo | ok | 04:16 |
| ailo | By the way, holstein, you tried firewire on 10.10, right? | 04:16 |
| holstein | yeah | 04:17 |
| ailo | Out of the box? | 04:17 |
| holstein | i got abogani 's kernel | 04:17 |
| holstein | the one for 11.04 | 04:17 |
| holstein | and it worked fine | 04:17 |
| ailo | oh, sorry, I meant 11.04 | 04:17 |
| holstein | OH | 04:17 |
| holstein | not yet | 04:17 |
| holstein | i should | 04:17 |
| holstein | i'll try and get to that this week | 04:17 |
| ailo | Those things that we did to get it working should be implemented into 11.04, right? But who does that? | 04:18 |
| holstein | not sure | 04:18 |
| holstein | they dont have to be implemented | 04:18 |
| holstein | we need to get more FW gear too | 04:18 |
| holstein | whatever that box tanders had | 04:19 |
| holstein | he had to do more than i did | 04:19 |
| holstein | in 10.10 | 04:19 |
| ailo | No, it seems his last attempt, from scratch, was pretty much the same as for you, except he had a udev rules file with specific rules for specific devices | 04:20 |
| holstein | OK | 04:20 |
| ScottL | ailo, this is what i mean: http://imagebin.org/130890 | 04:20 |
| ScottL | notice the two dark grey boxes with light grey text in them | 04:20 |
| ailo | Yeah | 04:21 |
| ailo | Only happens in browsers? I get the feeling this is inside a browser. | 04:22 |
| ScottL | when you pay for things online, it's really, really hard to see the choices | 04:22 |
| ScottL | ailo, charlie-tca also complained about the GDM login too | 04:22 |
| ScottL | i played with the widget factory (just ten minute ago) and i couldn't find the offending area :( | 04:23 |
| ailo | I've changed the GDM, it's not so hard (so it follows the theme), but I have no idea how to get that into the installation. | 04:23 |
| ScottL | ailo, it's okay, there are more pressing things to worry about currently :) | 04:24 |
| ailo | I'm interested in the GTK stuff, so I can give it some time. | 04:26 |
| ailo | What else could I help out with? | 04:26 |
| ailo | I get the feeling that so far Lucid is the best choice for audio and that maybe Maverick should not be recommended at all, though it is a terrific Desktop distro. | 04:30 |
| ailo | What will be the biggest change in Natty (aside from the desktop)? | 04:33 |
| holstein | ailo: we'll keep gnome AFAIK | 04:35 |
| holstein | the next big change will be wayland | 04:35 |
| holstein | whenever that happens | 04:35 |
| ailo | Yeah, read about that. Interesting times.. | 04:35 |
| holstein | i think 12.04 is the goal | 04:36 |
| holstein | we'll see | 04:36 |
| ScottL | ailo, the first most dire thing is getting gnome as the default xsession in my opinion | 04:46 |
| ScottL | the code is there, now i just need to make a diff, file a bug, attach the diff, and most importantly, get someone to push it into the repos | 04:46 |
| ScottL | i'm feeling a little punchy about the last bit however | 04:47 |
| ScottL | those who usually help me with it aren't around lately :( | 04:47 |
| ScottL | however, i've tried other vectors and will continue with a few more tomorrow | 04:47 |
| ScottL | then we probably need to see about adjusting the menu (ubuntustudio-menu) to incorporate many of the new applications | 04:48 |
| ScottL | they will be dumped into the audio menu, instead of the 'audio production' submenu | 04:48 |
| ScottL | also, i'm hoping to start backporting from maverick to lucid pretty aggressively within two weeks | 04:49 |
| ScottL | anyone who can help test these would be awesome! | 04:49 |
| ScottL | i'll make the ppa (done), start pushing code (started), file bugs as necessary (also started), but i need people to test | 04:49 |
| ScottL | and most importantly report the results of the testing in the bug report | 04:49 |
| ScottL | once we have two independent and success tests, then the official backports team should pull these in and release them | 04:50 |
| ailo | ScottL: So, Lucid should replace Maverick by being as up to date? | 04:51 |
| ScottL | of course these is also the website that apparently has the longevity of a turtle | 04:51 |
| ScottL | ailo, that is the general plan since it's the LTS version, i would like to | 04:52 |
| ScottL | of course, there are some thing we will not be able to do probably, like backport jack2 and other libraries | 04:52 |
| ailo | ScottL: Then it would make sence to change the website, by not including Maverick? Or expand the story about the distros... | 04:53 |
| ScottL | oh, and for natty i also wanted to replace the plymouth theme and miscellaneous art (GDM, wallpaper) | 04:53 |
| ScottL | ailo, you mean to not mention maverick on the website? hmmm, hadn't really thought about that | 04:54 |
| ailo | ScottL: Yes, cause at least for firewire devices, Maverick won't work. | 04:54 |
| ailo | Without fixes | 04:55 |
| ailo | Don't know if there are other issues. | 04:55 |
| ScottL | persia had originally left lucid as the preferred download on the wiki page, it certainly wouldn't hurt to mention that same on the website | 04:58 |
| ScottL | trouble will be getting stochastic to make the change :( | 04:58 |
| ScottL | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ says that 10.04 is still the recommended release | 04:59 |
| ailo | ScottL: Another thing that throws off new users is that pulseaudio won't work with some multichannel pci chips, wihout a fix. I would love to do something about that. | 05:00 |
| ScottL | ailo, by all means, please see what you can do :) | 05:00 |
| ailo | ScottL: It is an Alsa problem, from what I understand. Unfortunately no one seems to want to fix it. | 05:01 |
| ailo | Anyway, I could try to do something about that. | 05:02 |
| ScottL | ailo, i am afraid that i do not have an answer about that | 05:14 |
| ScottL | ailo, but you might check the last three posts here: http://drowninginbugs.blogspot.com/ | 05:15 |
| ScottL | perhaps one of them discusses the bug of which you speak, perhaps not | 05:15 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, i am about to go to bed, but will you be available to upload a diff file to the repository about setting gnome-classic as the default xsession? | 05:16 |
| ScottL | just leave an answer, i'll see it in the morning | 05:16 |
| ScottL | if you are curious, here is what i have: http://paste.ubuntu.com/548058/ | 05:16 |
| ScottL | i'll get the diff later | 05:16 |
| ailo | ScottL: I've taken up the bug on occasion. It is an old one. Initially everyone blamed pulseaudio, but it seems to be Alsa. | 05:17 |
| ailo | I got the advice once that someone just needed to get into it and fix it. | 05:18 |
| TheMuso | ScottL: that change looks ok to me, please test it if you can, or get someone else to test t. | 05:18 |
| ailo | ScottL: This is the stuff for Natty, right? Where do I put it? | 05:20 |
| ailo | And about the bug, I guess I'll hang out with the alsa guys later to see if they can help me... | 05:22 |
| ailo | Or, I just run it? I'm about to install Natty today, or tomorrow. | 05:23 |
| ailo | Right, it was for TheMuso ;) | 05:25 |
| ailo | Just read up on the multichannel pulseaudio bug. Seems like they're working on it, but no solution in sight. | 06:24 |
| ailo | And I'm reading up on Ubuntu audio in general. There's the Ubuntu Audio and Ubuntu Audio dev teams in Launchpad with names I recognize. Seems like they are the ones to talk to about audio bugs. | 06:33 |
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| scott-work | TheMuso: i don't have much experience with code, so i was unsure of that fix, and only managed to find someone yesterday who i felt comfortable checking it | 13:23 |
| scott-work | TheMuso: i will see about testing it and filing the bug report by the end of the week | 13:23 |
| scott-work | i was getting a little panicky because i couldn't find people i knew to check what i did, much less push it to the repos :P | 13:24 |
| ailo | ScottL: I'm pretty sure that fixing the dark text on buttons needs a fix in /usr/share/themes/UbuntuStudio/gtk-2.0/gtkrc. However, i can't find a web page that does the dark text thing. | 23:04 |
| ailo | holstein: You around? | 23:07 |
| ScottL | ailo, hey, that's pretty cool that you found a place to correct it, i'll try to find a good website that shows the problem later tonight | 23:08 |
| * ScottL is cooking dinner currently | 23:08 | |
| ScottL | ailo, here is a website that has the problem text/background: http://secure.fsckvps.com/cart.php?gid=200015¤cy=2 | 23:17 |
| ailo | ScottL: It may take me a while to figure that one out, cause I need to understand GTK a bit more first. Is Toby Smithe actively maintaining Ubuntustudio-look. Who is doing that? | 23:23 |
| ScottL | i don't think he is actively maintaining it currently, ailo, but i could be wrong | 23:24 |
| ailo | ScottL: UbuntuStudio is equal to the ubuntustudio-* packages, right? I'm trying to figure out the structure. Who is responsible at the top of the tree. Is it you? | 23:31 |
| ailo | Is there bug-reporting for those packages? | 23:31 |
| ScottL | ailo, i suppose it would be me at the top of the ubuntu studio tree, although i must admit a caveat | 23:36 |
| ScottL | i am not the most technically knowledgeable individual within the ubuntu studio framework | 23:37 |
| ScottL | i.e. per.sia and The.Muso are much, much more technically minded than i in general about ubuntu and sundry | 23:37 |
| ailo | ScottL: How about bug-reporting? Task management... | 23:38 |
| ScottL | ailo, if you assign the bug to 'ubuntustudio-dev' it will notify all that are members of the team | 23:39 |
| ScottL | ailo, task management is more or less handle in an ad hoc manner as needed | 23:40 |
| ScottL | but those who wish to fix something won't be dissuaded ;) | 23:40 |
| ailo | ScottL: So, how do I become a member? Throw you a message in Launchapad? | 23:43 |
| ailo | I'm not the most technical person myself, but I know a little about most things. I'm mostly interested in getting a good foundation for audio, not only limited to UbuntuStudio. | 23:51 |
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