[04:05] ScottL: I could give it a go, but I need to know what specifically needs to be changed. Maybe a screenshot could do? [04:06] Or a nice description... [04:12] holstein: just had a look at irc logs for the last meeting. Wasn't much of a meeting :( [04:13] ailo: yeah, we're going to try again mid-january [04:13] or so [04:13] maybe a weekend day [04:13] Is there a good place to look for what needs to be done, or what is decided [04:14] i usually try and catch ScottL in a query when he's not busy [04:14] Would be great to have a list and assignees on the wiki, or something [04:14] ailo: i like that [04:15] Have you talked about changing the US theme, ever? [04:15] maybe we could try and implement something like that in the next few weeks [04:15] Or making variations. [04:15] ailo: im not sure about the art [04:15] we were talking about the site [04:15] and maybe theme-ing based on that? [04:15] not sure... [04:16] ok [04:16] By the way, holstein, you tried firewire on 10.10, right? [04:17] yeah [04:17] Out of the box? [04:17] i got abogani 's kernel [04:17] the one for 11.04 [04:17] and it worked fine [04:17] oh, sorry, I meant 11.04 [04:17] OH [04:17] not yet [04:17] i should [04:17] i'll try and get to that this week [04:18] Those things that we did to get it working should be implemented into 11.04, right? But who does that? [04:18] not sure [04:18] they dont have to be implemented [04:18] we need to get more FW gear too [04:19] whatever that box tanders had [04:19] he had to do more than i did [04:19] in 10.10 [04:20] No, it seems his last attempt, from scratch, was pretty much the same as for you, except he had a udev rules file with specific rules for specific devices [04:20] OK [04:20] ailo, this is what i mean: http://imagebin.org/130890 [04:20] notice the two dark grey boxes with light grey text in them [04:21] Yeah [04:22] Only happens in browsers? I get the feeling this is inside a browser. [04:22] when you pay for things online, it's really, really hard to see the choices [04:22] ailo, charlie-tca also complained about the GDM login too [04:23] i played with the widget factory (just ten minute ago) and i couldn't find the offending area :( [04:23] I've changed the GDM, it's not so hard (so it follows the theme), but I have no idea how to get that into the installation. [04:24] ailo, it's okay, there are more pressing things to worry about currently :) [04:26] I'm interested in the GTK stuff, so I can give it some time. [04:26] What else could I help out with? [04:30] I get the feeling that so far Lucid is the best choice for audio and that maybe Maverick should not be recommended at all, though it is a terrific Desktop distro. [04:33] What will be the biggest change in Natty (aside from the desktop)? [04:35] ailo: we'll keep gnome AFAIK [04:35] the next big change will be wayland [04:35] whenever that happens [04:35] Yeah, read about that. Interesting times.. [04:36] i think 12.04 is the goal [04:36] we'll see [04:46] ailo, the first most dire thing is getting gnome as the default xsession in my opinion [04:46] the code is there, now i just need to make a diff, file a bug, attach the diff, and most importantly, get someone to push it into the repos [04:47] i'm feeling a little punchy about the last bit however [04:47] those who usually help me with it aren't around lately :( [04:47] however, i've tried other vectors and will continue with a few more tomorrow [04:48] then we probably need to see about adjusting the menu (ubuntustudio-menu) to incorporate many of the new applications [04:48] they will be dumped into the audio menu, instead of the 'audio production' submenu [04:49] also, i'm hoping to start backporting from maverick to lucid pretty aggressively within two weeks [04:49] anyone who can help test these would be awesome! [04:49] i'll make the ppa (done), start pushing code (started), file bugs as necessary (also started), but i need people to test [04:49] and most importantly report the results of the testing in the bug report [04:50] once we have two independent and success tests, then the official backports team should pull these in and release them [04:51] ScottL: So, Lucid should replace Maverick by being as up to date? [04:51] of course these is also the website that apparently has the longevity of a turtle [04:52] ailo, that is the general plan since it's the LTS version, i would like to [04:52] of course, there are some thing we will not be able to do probably, like backport jack2 and other libraries [04:53] ScottL: Then it would make sence to change the website, by not including Maverick? Or expand the story about the distros... [04:53] oh, and for natty i also wanted to replace the plymouth theme and miscellaneous art (GDM, wallpaper) [04:54] ailo, you mean to not mention maverick on the website? hmmm, hadn't really thought about that [04:54] ScottL: Yes, cause at least for firewire devices, Maverick won't work. [04:55] Without fixes [04:55] Don't know if there are other issues. [04:58] persia had originally left lucid as the preferred download on the wiki page, it certainly wouldn't hurt to mention that same on the website [04:58] trouble will be getting stochastic to make the change :( [04:59] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ says that 10.04 is still the recommended release [05:00] ScottL: Another thing that throws off new users is that pulseaudio won't work with some multichannel pci chips, wihout a fix. I would love to do something about that. [05:00] ailo, by all means, please see what you can do :) [05:01] ScottL: It is an Alsa problem, from what I understand. Unfortunately no one seems to want to fix it. [05:02] Anyway, I could try to do something about that. [05:14] ailo, i am afraid that i do not have an answer about that [05:15] ailo, but you might check the last three posts here: http://drowninginbugs.blogspot.com/ [05:15] perhaps one of them discusses the bug of which you speak, perhaps not [05:16] TheMuso, i am about to go to bed, but will you be available to upload a diff file to the repository about setting gnome-classic as the default xsession? [05:16] just leave an answer, i'll see it in the morning [05:16] if you are curious, here is what i have: http://paste.ubuntu.com/548058/ [05:16] i'll get the diff later [05:17] ScottL: I've taken up the bug on occasion. It is an old one. Initially everyone blamed pulseaudio, but it seems to be Alsa. [05:18] I got the advice once that someone just needed to get into it and fix it. [05:18] ScottL: that change looks ok to me, please test it if you can, or get someone else to test t. [05:20] ScottL: This is the stuff for Natty, right? Where do I put it? [05:22] And about the bug, I guess I'll hang out with the alsa guys later to see if they can help me... [05:23] Or, I just run it? I'm about to install Natty today, or tomorrow. [05:25] Right, it was for TheMuso ;) [06:24] Just read up on the multichannel pulseaudio bug. Seems like they're working on it, but no solution in sight. [06:33] And I'm reading up on Ubuntu audio in general. There's the Ubuntu Audio and Ubuntu Audio dev teams in Launchpad with names I recognize. Seems like they are the ones to talk to about audio bugs. === irvieee is now known as irv === irv is now known as 45PABM86X [13:23] TheMuso: i don't have much experience with code, so i was unsure of that fix, and only managed to find someone yesterday who i felt comfortable checking it [13:23] TheMuso: i will see about testing it and filing the bug report by the end of the week [13:24] i was getting a little panicky because i couldn't find people i knew to check what i did, much less push it to the repos :P [23:04] ScottL: I'm pretty sure that fixing the dark text on buttons needs a fix in /usr/share/themes/UbuntuStudio/gtk-2.0/gtkrc. However, i can't find a web page that does the dark text thing. [23:07] holstein: You around? [23:08] ailo, hey, that's pretty cool that you found a place to correct it, i'll try to find a good website that shows the problem later tonight [23:08] * ScottL is cooking dinner currently [23:17] ailo, here is a website that has the problem text/background: http://secure.fsckvps.com/cart.php?gid=200015¤cy=2 [23:23] ScottL: It may take me a while to figure that one out, cause I need to understand GTK a bit more first. Is Toby Smithe actively maintaining Ubuntustudio-look. Who is doing that? [23:24] i don't think he is actively maintaining it currently, ailo, but i could be wrong [23:31] ScottL: UbuntuStudio is equal to the ubuntustudio-* packages, right? I'm trying to figure out the structure. Who is responsible at the top of the tree. Is it you? [23:31] Is there bug-reporting for those packages? [23:36] ailo, i suppose it would be me at the top of the ubuntu studio tree, although i must admit a caveat [23:37] i am not the most technically knowledgeable individual within the ubuntu studio framework [23:37] i.e. per.sia and The.Muso are much, much more technically minded than i in general about ubuntu and sundry [23:38] ScottL: How about bug-reporting? Task management... [23:39] ailo, if you assign the bug to 'ubuntustudio-dev' it will notify all that are members of the team [23:40] ailo, task management is more or less handle in an ad hoc manner as needed [23:40] but those who wish to fix something won't be dissuaded ;) [23:43] ScottL: So, how do I become a member? Throw you a message in Launchapad? [23:51] I'm not the most technical person myself, but I know a little about most things. I'm mostly interested in getting a good foundation for audio, not only limited to UbuntuStudio.