[04:05] <ailo> ScottL: I could give it a go, but I need to know what specifically needs to be changed. Maybe a screenshot could do?
[04:06] <ailo> Or a nice description...
[04:12] <ailo> holstein: just had a look at irc logs for the last meeting. Wasn't much of a meeting :(
[04:13] <holstein> ailo: yeah, we're going to try again mid-january
[04:13] <holstein> or so
[04:13] <holstein> maybe a weekend day
[04:13] <ailo> Is there a good place to look for what needs to be done, or what is decided
[04:14] <holstein> i usually try and catch ScottL in a query when he's not busy
[04:14] <ailo> Would be great to have a list and assignees on the wiki, or something
[04:14] <holstein> ailo: i like that
[04:15] <ailo> Have you talked about changing the US theme, ever?
[04:15] <holstein> maybe we could try and implement something like that in the next few weeks
[04:15] <ailo> Or making variations.
[04:15] <holstein> ailo: im not sure about the art
[04:15] <holstein> we were talking about the site
[04:15] <holstein> and maybe theme-ing based on that?
[04:15] <holstein> not sure...
[04:16] <ailo> ok
[04:16] <ailo> By the way, holstein, you tried firewire on 10.10, right?
[04:17] <holstein> yeah
[04:17] <ailo> Out of the box?
[04:17] <holstein> i got abogani 's kernel
[04:17] <holstein> the one for 11.04
[04:17] <holstein> and it worked fine
[04:17] <ailo> oh, sorry, I meant 11.04
[04:17] <holstein> OH
[04:17] <holstein> not yet
[04:17] <holstein> i should
[04:17] <holstein> i'll try and get to that this week
[04:18] <ailo> Those things that we did to get it working should be implemented into 11.04, right? But who does that?
[04:18] <holstein> not sure
[04:18] <holstein> they dont have to be implemented
[04:18] <holstein> we need to get more FW gear too
[04:19] <holstein> whatever that box tanders had
[04:19] <holstein> he had to do more than i did
[04:19] <holstein> in 10.10
[04:20] <ailo> No, it seems his last attempt, from scratch, was pretty much the same as for you, except he had a udev rules file with specific rules for specific devices
[04:20] <holstein> OK
[04:20] <ScottL> ailo, this is what i mean:  http://imagebin.org/130890
[04:20] <ScottL> notice the two dark grey boxes with light grey text in them
[04:21] <ailo> Yeah
[04:22] <ailo> Only happens in browsers? I get the feeling this is inside a browser.
[04:22] <ScottL> when you pay for things online, it's really, really hard to see the choices
[04:22] <ScottL> ailo, charlie-tca also complained about the GDM login too
[04:23] <ScottL> i played with the widget factory (just ten minute ago) and i couldn't find the offending area :(
[04:23] <ailo> I've changed the GDM, it's not so hard (so it follows the theme), but I have no idea how to get that into the installation.
[04:24] <ScottL> ailo, it's okay, there are more pressing things to worry about currently :)
[04:26] <ailo> I'm interested in the GTK stuff, so I can give it some time.
[04:26] <ailo> What else could I help out with?
[04:30] <ailo> I get the feeling that so far Lucid is the best choice for audio and that maybe Maverick should not be recommended at all, though it is a terrific Desktop distro.
[04:33] <ailo> What will be the biggest change in Natty (aside from the desktop)? 
[04:35] <holstein> ailo: we'll keep gnome AFAIK
[04:35] <holstein> the next big change will be wayland
[04:35] <holstein> whenever that happens
[04:35] <ailo> Yeah, read about that. Interesting times..
[04:36] <holstein> i think 12.04 is the goal
[04:36] <holstein> we'll see
[04:46] <ScottL> ailo, the first most dire thing is getting gnome as the default xsession in my opinion
[04:46] <ScottL> the code is there, now i just need to make a diff, file a bug, attach the diff, and most importantly, get someone to push it into the repos
[04:47] <ScottL> i'm feeling a little punchy about the last bit however
[04:47] <ScottL> those who usually help me with it aren't around lately :(
[04:47] <ScottL> however, i've tried other vectors and will continue with a few more tomorrow
[04:48] <ScottL> then we probably need to see about adjusting the menu (ubuntustudio-menu) to incorporate many of the new applications
[04:48] <ScottL> they will be dumped into the audio menu, instead of the 'audio production' submenu
[04:49] <ScottL> also, i'm hoping to start backporting from maverick to lucid pretty aggressively within two weeks
[04:49] <ScottL> anyone who can help test these would be awesome!
[04:49] <ScottL> i'll make the ppa (done), start pushing code (started), file bugs as necessary (also started), but i need people to test
[04:49] <ScottL> and most importantly report the results of the testing in the bug report
[04:50] <ScottL> once we have two independent and success tests, then the official backports team should pull these in and release them
[04:51] <ailo> ScottL: So, Lucid should replace Maverick by being as up to date?
[04:51] <ScottL> of course these is also the website that apparently has the longevity of a turtle
[04:52] <ScottL> ailo, that is the general plan since it's the LTS version, i would like to
[04:52] <ScottL> of course, there are some thing we will not be able to do probably, like backport jack2 and other libraries
[04:53] <ailo> ScottL: Then it would make sence to change the website, by not including Maverick? Or expand the story about the distros...
[04:53] <ScottL> oh, and for natty i also wanted to replace the plymouth theme and miscellaneous art (GDM, wallpaper)
[04:54] <ScottL> ailo, you mean to not mention maverick on the website?  hmmm, hadn't really thought about that
[04:54] <ailo> ScottL: Yes, cause at least for firewire devices, Maverick won't work. 
[04:55] <ailo> Without fixes
[04:55] <ailo> Don't know if there are other issues.
[04:58] <ScottL> persia had originally left lucid as the preferred download on the wiki page, it certainly wouldn't hurt to mention that same on the website
[04:58] <ScottL> trouble will be getting stochastic to make the change :(
[04:59] <ScottL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/  says that 10.04 is still the recommended release
[05:00] <ailo> ScottL: Another thing that throws off new users is that pulseaudio won't work with some multichannel pci chips, wihout a fix. I would love to do something about that.
[05:00] <ScottL> ailo, by all means, please see what you can do :)
[05:01] <ailo> ScottL: It is an Alsa problem, from what I understand. Unfortunately no one seems to want to fix it. 
[05:02] <ailo> Anyway, I could try to do something about that.
[05:14] <ScottL> ailo, i am afraid that i do not have an answer about that
[05:15] <ScottL> ailo, but you might check the last three posts here:  http://drowninginbugs.blogspot.com/
[05:15] <ScottL> perhaps one of them discusses the bug of which you speak, perhaps not 
[05:16] <ScottL> TheMuso, i am about to go to bed, but will you be available to upload a diff file to the repository about setting gnome-classic as the default xsession?
[05:16] <ScottL> just leave an answer, i'll see it in the morning
[05:16] <ScottL> if you are curious, here is what i have:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/548058/
[05:16] <ScottL> i'll get the diff later
[05:17] <ailo> ScottL: I've taken up the bug on occasion. It is an old one. Initially everyone blamed pulseaudio, but it seems to be Alsa.
[05:18] <ailo> I got the advice once that someone just needed to get into it and fix it.
[05:18] <TheMuso> ScottL: that change looks ok to me, please test it if you can, or get someone else to test t.
[05:20] <ailo> ScottL: This is the stuff for Natty, right? Where do I put it?
[05:22] <ailo> And about the bug, I guess I'll hang out with the alsa guys later to see if they can help me...
[05:23] <ailo> Or, I just run it? I'm about to install Natty today, or tomorrow.
[05:25] <ailo> Right, it was for TheMuso ;)
[06:24] <ailo> Just read up on the multichannel pulseaudio bug. Seems like they're working on it, but no solution in sight.
[06:33] <ailo> And I'm reading up on Ubuntu audio in general. There's the Ubuntu Audio and Ubuntu Audio dev teams in Launchpad with names I recognize. Seems like they are the ones to talk to about audio bugs.
[13:23] <scott-work> TheMuso:  i don't have much experience with code, so i was unsure of that fix, and only managed to find someone yesterday who i felt comfortable checking it
[13:23] <scott-work> TheMuso: i will see about testing it and filing the bug report by the end of the week
[13:24] <scott-work> i was getting a little panicky because i couldn't find people i knew to check what i did, much less push it to the repos :P
[23:04] <ailo> ScottL: I'm pretty sure that fixing the dark text on buttons needs a fix in /usr/share/themes/UbuntuStudio/gtk-2.0/gtkrc. However, i can't find a web page that does the dark text thing.
[23:07] <ailo> holstein: You around?
[23:08] <ScottL> ailo, hey, that's pretty cool that you found a place to correct it, i'll try to find a good website that shows the problem later tonight
[23:08]  * ScottL is cooking dinner currently
[23:17] <ScottL> ailo, here is a website that has the problem text/background:  http://secure.fsckvps.com/cart.php?gid=200015&currency=2
[23:23] <ailo> ScottL: It may take me a while to figure that one out, cause I need to understand GTK a bit more first. Is Toby Smithe actively maintaining Ubuntustudio-look. Who is doing that?
[23:24] <ScottL> i don't think he is actively maintaining it currently, ailo, but i could be wrong
[23:31] <ailo> ScottL: UbuntuStudio is equal to the ubuntustudio-* packages, right? I'm trying to figure out the structure. Who is responsible at the top of the tree. Is it you?
[23:31] <ailo> Is there bug-reporting for those packages?
[23:36] <ScottL> ailo, i suppose it would be me at the top of the ubuntu studio tree, although i must admit a caveat
[23:37] <ScottL> i am not the most technically knowledgeable individual within the ubuntu studio framework
[23:37] <ScottL> i.e. per.sia and The.Muso are much, much more technically minded than i in general about ubuntu and sundry
[23:38] <ailo> ScottL: How about bug-reporting? Task management...
[23:39] <ScottL> ailo, if you assign the bug to 'ubuntustudio-dev' it will notify all that are members of the team
[23:40] <ScottL> ailo, task management is more or less handle in an ad hoc manner as needed
[23:40] <ScottL> but those who wish to fix something won't be dissuaded ;)
[23:43] <ailo> ScottL: So, how do I become a member? Throw you a message in Launchapad?
[23:51] <ailo> I'm not the most technical person myself, but I know a little about most things. I'm mostly interested in getting a good foundation for audio, not only limited to UbuntuStudio.