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[14:38] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[18:26] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: Can you approve my message sitting in the xubuntu-users mailing list awaiting approval?
[18:28] <cody-somerville> sure
[19:19] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: menu still needs work in Natty? Applications -> Science -> gnumeric  seems wrong. It is also under office... This is the live cd, too.
[19:22] <mr_pouit> not sure. You can report that upstream though
[19:22] <charlie-tca> xfce?
[19:22] <charlie-tca> no, gnome, right
[19:34] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: no, against garcon on bugzilla.xfcE.org
[19:34] <mr_pouit> I don't know why gnumeric is in both, but it shouldn't afaik
[19:34] <charlie-tca> really? That's where the menu comes from now?
[19:34] <mr_pouit> yeah
[19:34] <charlie-tca> I will do that.
[19:34] <charlie-tca> Thanks 
[22:07] <micahg> mr_pouit: FTR, if you're bumping a build-dep, that's not a no-change rebuild
[22:16] <mr_pouit> it is, because soyuz doesn't allow binnmus =]
[22:17] <mr_pouit> but I've no choice, otherwise on ppc and armel it would pick the old version
[22:18] <mr_pouit> but the focus of lp isn't really for ubuntu *developers* anyway =(
[22:18] <micahg> mr_pouit: I'm not saying don't rebuild, I'm just saying, you should use dch -i for those, not dch -R and make sure the version is ubuntuX
[22:18] <mr_pouit> no, because I want them to be synced
[22:19] <mr_pouit> this is a temporary thing, until the buildd lag is solved
[22:19] <micahg> mr_pouit: that's an incorrect version then, needing to sync is a different issue
[22:19] <mr_pouit> sigh
[22:19] <mr_pouit> I made no source change, except the one needed to workaround lp missing features
[22:19] <micahg> mr_pouit: I'll be happy to file the sync requests when Debian's ready for xfce 4.8
[22:20] <mr_pouit> it's fine to keep buildX, because it's fine to sync the next revision
[22:20] <micahg> mr_pouit: buildX means nothing in the build changed except the changelog
[22:20] <mr_pouit> the ones with real source changes have ubuntuX
[22:20] <mr_pouit> micahg: buildX means it can be autosynced
[22:21] <micahg> mr_pouit: yes, because there were no package changes
[22:21] <mr_pouit> and for the buildX I made no packaging change…
[22:22] <micahg> bumping a build-dep is a packaging change, I should've mentioned this in -motu so others could agree/disagree
[22:23] <mr_pouit> no it's not
[22:23] <mr_pouit> it's a workaround for lp uselessness
[22:24] <mr_pouit> (it's not a change I want to keep)
[22:24] <mr_pouit> give me the gb command like in debian and this change will disappear
[22:24] <mr_pouit> but feel free to raise that on -motu if you want
[22:24]  * micahg is unfamiliar with gb
[22:27] <mr_pouit> it's to make a give back, and you can specify a minimum b-dep to wait for (e.g. xfce4-panel-dev >= 4.7.7)
[22:27] <mr_pouit> lp doesn't allow that, and the only workaround is to change the b-dep in the source…
[22:31] <micahg> it's only set up that way since there are no assumed changes in a buildX
[22:31] <micahg> oops
[22:31] <micahg> sorry
[22:32] <micahg> mr_pouit: there is something in ubuntu-archive-tools to give back
[22:36] <mr_pouit> is it something like syncpackage, that we're not supposed to use?
[22:37] <micahg> no, I think we can use this, it just triggers a retry of whatever you ask for, it has many options
[22:38] <micahg> oh, it's in ubuntu-dev-tools, called ubuntu-build
[22:44] <mr_pouit> nope, there's no option to do that
[22:44] <mr_pouit> retry only works if it previously failed to build (which you can do from the LP ui as well)
[22:44] <micahg> right
[22:45] <micahg> there's no no source change rebuild en masse option
[22:46] <micahg> bug 245594
[22:46] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 245594 in Launchpad itself "Rebuilds of binary packages without source changes" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245594
[22:48] <mr_pouit> opened for more than 2 years
[22:49] <mr_pouit> low priority
[22:49] <mr_pouit> when I say lp main focus isn't ubuntu developers, nobody believes me ;-)
[22:50] <micahg> no, I believe you, but I believe we should try to work within the system while pushing for improvements, we can probably bring this up at the next UDS
[22:50] <micahg> mr_pouit: and as I said, I'm happy to help with the grunt work of getting these packages sync'd later
[22:52] <mr_pouit> I'm not sure the grunt work will come soon though (it will be uploaded to debian only after squeeze)
[22:52] <mr_pouit> but hopefully, it was the last abi break for the panel
[22:53] <micahg> mr_pouit: I'm not going anywhere :)
[22:54]  * micahg hopes squeeze will be released soon
[22:54] <mr_pouit> and about lp, the most knownledgable motu is wgrant afaik
[22:54] <micahg> mr_pouit: he's now paid to hack on it :)
[22:54] <mr_pouit> ah, nice (or too bad :p)
[22:55] <cody-somerville> mr_pouit, I believe you ;)
[22:55] <mr_pouit> considering he added the 3.0 (quilt/native) support by himself ;-)
[22:55] <mr_pouit> cody-somerville: huhuhu
[23:20] <emgent> cody-somerville: around ?
[23:20] <cody-somerville> emgent, yup
[23:20] <emgent> can i pm you ?
[23:20] <cody-somerville> emgent, yup